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That’s what she said!
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Elon Musk tweeted he will vote Republican because the Democrats have become the party of division and hate…if you put this guy as a villain in a Marvel movie people would complain that the character is too grotesque.
Musk is basically just Trump 2.0. They’re the same person. Neither have any real convinctions, they both just need to constantly be the center of attention.
The scary thing is that Musk is going to own Twitter. So not only will he be funneling lots of money to Republicans (money he always claims he doesn’t have because all his wealth is “unrealize”), but he’s also going to cater the platform to the and be a big mouthpiece for them. Because you know he loves to hear his own voice and read his own tweets.
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At this point, if you look at both parties and say the democrats are the party of division and hate, I think there is something wrong in your head. I am not the biggest fans of either the democrat party or American lefties, except for Bernie who is cool, but the Republican party openly embraces hate and divisiveness. I think Musk is only doing this because he thinks Republican leadership will be better for his business.
edit: Although Musk used to work with Peter Thiel who is a dangerous guy with dangerous ideas. Is Musk in that same group ideologically? Thiel was close to those “dark enlightenment” types like Curtis Yarvin. I think Thiel is also involved with “the intellectual dark web”, Brett and Eric Weinstein, Rogan, and Jordan Peterson.
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Is Musk in that same group ideologically?
Probably, a lot of the Silicon Valley types are libertarian zealots.
Libertarianism is to me a lot like Communism, at face value it seems pretty attractive but once you delve in it’s something that can’t really work. The idea that everyone is equal and everything is shared in Communism sounds great but the inherent competitiveness of humans meant it could only really be imposed and controlled.
Libertarians at the far scale of complete freedom from government and rules, if you follow the logical path it’d be a hellhole for anyone who isn’t filthy rich, most of these guys are filthy rich.
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And now… monkeypox:
brb, panic-buying toilet paper and gatorade #monkeypox pic.twitter.com/pKoAeVspHt
— Amygator 🐊 *not an actual alligator (@AmyA1A) May 19, 2022
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— tarco (@tarco06) May 18, 2022
#monkeypox
one zombie virus and we’re extinct. pic.twitter.com/LcEfSgWDVb— 🦎MagaraRaptor🦎 (@MagDaVeloRaptr) May 19, 2022
#monkeypox is just fearporn pic.twitter.com/gz5rCj9sbL
— S.G (@asqthe17uestion) May 20, 2022
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Well, stating that it has no place could be taken to mean that you don’t have to do anything because, look, it doesn’t have a place in our society, okay? That’s how it is!
I’m not saying that’s what he meant, but given the discourse about racism in the US in recent years, I can understand if some people would like him to state things in a way that is less ambiguous when it comes to acknowledging racism.
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Well, stating that it has no place could be taken to mean that you don’t have to do anything because, look, it doesn’t have a place in our society, okay? That’s how it is!
I’m not saying that’s what he meant, but given the discourse about racism in the US in recent years, I can understand if some people would like him to state things in a way that is less ambiguous when it comes to acknowledging racism.
Well let’s be clear, it’s the (reductive) headline that we’re discussing here, not what Biden actually said. Because here’s the full quote (from the official White House transcript):
White supremacy is a poison. It’s a poison — (applause) — running through — it really is — running through our body politic. And it’s been allowed to fester and grow right in front of our eyes.
No more. I mean, no more. We need to say as clearly and forcefully as we can that the ideology of white supremacy has no place in America. (Applause.) None.
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Now is the time for the people of all races, from every background, to speak up as a majority in America and reject white supremacy.
Which I would say is pretty unambiguous.
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Yeah, that was well said and really did not leave any room for ambiguity whatsoever. (I did say that I expected him to elaborate on the statement, but didn’t think to look up what it was he actually said, thanks, Dave!)
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Yeah, that was well said and really did not leave any room for ambiguity whatsoever. (I did say that I expected him to elaborate on the statement, but didn’t think to look up what it was he actually said, thanks, Dave!)
No worries.
I know I often do this and it probably seems like I’m being pedantic, but I think it’s well worth going to the original source whenever possible when you have a news report that can twist the meaning of words (or even just over-simplify them to the point where nuance is lost).
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That headline caption when I first read it struck me as odd. Given the history of the country white supremacy played a huge part and for that caption to say it has no place in the country…
It can be seen both ways.
—————This is from 2015 but it is making its rounds again on Twitter:
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I couldn’t post it here but there is this video on how there were shootings in other countries(ie. This school shooting in the UK back in the 1996) and how they were all handled very quickly vs. how the school shootings in the States are handled.
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I couldn’t post it here but there is this video on how there were shootings in other countries(ie. This school shooting in the UK back in the 1996) and how they were all handled very quickly vs. how the school shootings in the States are handled.
The Dunblane shooting in Scotland. An interesting fact is that Wimbledon and US Open winning tennis player Andy Murray was in that school on that day, he survived hiding in another class.
There are similar stories in Australia and New Zealand, mass shooting resulted in an immediate response that have so far delivered in stopping or radically reducing them.
The issue in the US is both cultural and economic. The gun lobby pays a lot of money to keep politicians onside so even though 91% of Americans in polls want stricter checks they are being removed. The irony is the UK, where handguns are impossible to legally own outside security forces and police, they make a lot of personal weapons and sell them all overseas, primarily to the USA.
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Here’s an example of your cultural issue:
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I couldn’t post it here but there is this video on how there were shootings in other countries(ie. This school shooting in the UK back in the 1996) and how they were all handled very quickly vs. how the school shootings in the States are handled.
The Dunblane shooting in Scotland. An interesting fact is that Wimbledon and US Open winning tennis player Andy Murray was in that school on that day, he survived hiding in another class.
There are similar stories in Australia and New Zealand, mass shooting resulted in an immediate response that have so far delivered in stopping or radically reducing them.
The issue in the US is both cultural and economic. The gun lobby pays a lot of money to keep politicians onside so even though 91% of Americans in polls want stricter checks they are being removed. The irony is the UK, where handguns are impossible to legally own outside security forces and police, they make a lot of personal weapons and sell them all overseas, primarily to the USA.
Wow… Andy Murray.
It is noteworthy to see how quickly those incidents were handled in the UK, New Zealand, and Australia, how they nip it in the bud vs. how poorly it is handled in the US.
As you said, the issue is cultural and economic. There is a history in the US that celebrates the use of guns and gun violence to get what one wants and defend what you have. In fact, law students studying the Constitution stated that the 2nd Amendment regarding militias was really put there as a compromise for the southern states to be armed enough to quell slave rebellions.
There is also this ideology of some future race war/race apocalypse and some are stockpiling arms now to prepare for that eschatology.
Add to all that how unhinged some people are and you have yourself a mess of a situation.
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There is a history in the US that celebrates the use of guns and gun violence to get what one wants and defend what you have. In fact, law students studying the Constitution stated that the 2nd Amendment regarding militias was really put there as a compromise for the southern states to be armed enough to quell slave rebellions.
Yes I mean having been around at the time, the majority of people in the UK before and after the Dunblane massacre frankly didn’t give a toss about gun rights. I’d never seen a gun or knew anyone who owned one outside of farmers with a shotgun and at least 90% of the population would be the same.
The only objection I recall at the time was from competitive shooters as the new regulations meant they could not take their guns home, they have to remain locked up at the range. It’s possible that may have cost the UK an Olympic medal or two over the 25 years but really that’s very much a price worth paying not to have kids slaughtered.
Laws are just one element because even without strict laws the UK had development into a society with very little interest in guns. It wasn’t a subject most people ever thought abut and certainly never a political campaign issue.
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There is video of UK reporters (Sky something I can’t recall right now) who spoke to Ted Cruz and asked him why this goes on
It is Sky News. I saw the clip and basically everything Cruz does is classic straw man tactics. He diverts criticism that only America has this problem to the journalist saying everything about America is bad, which he never said. So he goes off that they have a great economy that means people want to go there.
It has been pointed out today that Cruz has a mass shooting template, he’s posted the same Tweet with just the location changed for every event, he doesn’t care.
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As for that area of the shooting, 40% of that county’s money goes into the police, the parents were yelling at the cops for stalling on getting in for 40 minutes. The cops lied to the press about that but were exposed. Then Texas says they are pro-life with their abortion ban, but aren’t consistent enough to allow all this…
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Remember – you go to buy a sandwich in the US, you take a bazooka with you.
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Isn’t there gun control on a state level? Can states outlaw say a weapon like an AR 15?
Yes, individual states and municipalities can set their own laws, but even those can be overturned if the Federal Supreme Court decides those laws are unconstitutional. Currently close to happening in New York State
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The other thing, especially in selling guns, you can see the obvious weaknesses in setting regional laws with no borders. You can put endless checks in one on getting a gun and drive to the next one over with no checks and do it there instead.
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At this point the retort is “how about you stop voting Republican?”
That would then bring up their problems of the main alternative: Voting Dem
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At this point the retort is “how about you stop voting Republican?”
That is part of how American politics always gets jammed up. A lot of people have stopped voting Republican – a lot of moderates and progressives that were still more libertarian or conservative/anti-government in other ways.
So, American government is set up to protect minority government power – specifically the Senate was created to protect elite interests – and the Republicans are the minority numerically nationwide, so their power is concentrated regionally – which still gives them influence on the Federal level. The number of Republicans in the senate and congress represents far fewer Americans than democrats, but that means they have far more political influence with reduced accountability. Their voter bases are smaller and less diverse groups so there is no incentive to cater to wider national interests.
While there are vast numbers of potential voters that don’t participate, so it is not completely true that the politicians are entirely to blame for inaction.
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the Texas governor talked about mental health problem as the scapegoat,
They always do that. I think it’s bullshit, of course a school shooter probably has mental problems , but I think the majority of all people anywhere have mental problems at some point in their life. Just the fact someone has a mental illness doesn’t make them more likely to be a killer.
And of course, if you have background checks you’re more likely to stop someone with dangerous mental problems from acquiring guns. You could have a system where psychiatrists give “red flags” in a database stopping a seriously disturbed patient from getting a gun. It is probably wise to stop people with schizophrenia from getting guns as during their psychoses they can become aggressive and lose restraint.
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The thing with the ‘mental health’ argument is let’s say for a moment you buy into it, what have they actually done after years of saying that’s the crux of the problem?
Are there free counselling services set up? Mobile clinics going into the community? I’ve not heard of them.
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The thing with the ‘mental health’ argument is let’s say for a moment you buy into it, what have they actually done after years of saying that’s the crux of the problem?
Are there free counselling services set up? Mobile clinics going into the community? I’ve not heard of them.
The same politicians who bleat about how mass shootings are a mental health issue are also the ones cutting funding for mental health services.
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The filibuster has benefited democrats too however. And they could regret getting rid of it if Republicans win back congress in 2022.
Yeah, they should also pass comprehensive voting reform laws as well so American elected officials actually reflect the social and political makeup of the American people instead of the current mess.
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The filibuster has benefited democrats too however. And they could regret getting rid of it if Republicans win back congress in 2022.
This has always been a weak argument to me. It’s basically “let’s not do something now because it could be overturned in the future”. I’d argue it’s a lot harder to take things away than to give them or just obstruct. Also, let’s look at DC statehood. If the Dems successfully did that, it couldn’t be undone and it would essentially give Dems 2 extra Senate seats. Combine that with a good voting rights bill and the GOP would probably have to find new ways to actually gain full control of the government (I.e. actually try to appeal to more people).
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I tend to agree with Chris, it often isn’t as easy to repeal laws, especially popular ones. On balance it probably is better to be aggressive.
Republicans have been pushing every rule to their advantage and Democrats are too reluctant to do the same. It is producing minority rule, they should move to make DC a proper state and get those 2 seats, logically it’s hard to argue against and would give them one small advantage when their opposition are taking every inch they possibly can.
The left unfortunately, around the world, is very very bad at finding consensus and operating tactically. The UK has had 12 years of increasingly right wing rule with a minority of votes.
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But, but Gar the Democrat Party has to focus on their eternal duel with the Party for Democracy.
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The left unfortunately, around the world, is very very bad at finding consensus and operating tactically.
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There are so many tweets and pics about the US police departments and how they handle situations differently when it comes to white crime vs. people of color. What else is new? You really have to have doubts about how the departments are run. Last year, when that white man was shooting all those Asians at the massage parlors near Atlanta, the police chief said at the press conference that the guy “was just having a bad day.”
Then this situation with waiting almost an hour before they went in, even though the parents were pleading and even wanted to go in themselves. The lying about it to the press… Makes you wonder about the departments.
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Have to chuckle at the GOPers who deliberately mispronounced the simple three syllable first name Kamala as if the name was so weird, but then they get a name like <span class=”yKMVIe” role=”heading” aria-level=”1″>Schwarzenegger very easily.
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The institutional stuff I think is often more worrying than the overt prejudice.
I was listening to a podcast this week about the UK Post Office scandal, the thrust of the issue is that a computer system they put in was flawed and returned bad accounts. Rather than properly investigate whether the system could be wrong they either asked people to pay back vast amounts of money or prosecuted them. Hundreds of innocent people and generally the type of person who does that role is pretty mild and middle class. Cities have large dedicated post offices, these were covering small villages and were pillars of the community.
They spoke to dozens of the victims and the turmoil in their lives but the only two they spoke to that got actually sent to prison were non-white (they were of south Asian descent), one was a pregnant woman. I picked that up but seemingly nobody on the documentary series did. I doubt anyone in that system from the police to judges to series producer overtly operated with prejudice in mind but somehow one set got off with fines and suspended sentences and another didn’t and it didn’t merit even a comment.
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let’s not do something now because it could be overturned in the futur
That wasn’t really my point…it’s just that if you get rid of the filibuster now, the democrats can’t use it against the republicans when the republicans want to push through laws once they are in power again. For instance say the republicans want to do something radical in three years like getting rid of medicare, or something like that. If you still have the filibuster the democrats will be able to stop the republicans from doing that.
Sounds like basically the same thing to me. A fear that the GOP will take away something or pass some batshit law. But what that still fails to take into account is that if the Dems kill the filibuster to grant DC statehood and pass voting laws that basically negate the suppression and gerrymandering the GOP uses to “win” elections, it becomes that much harder for the GOP to gain full control of the government. And, if after all of that, they still do…well, elections have consequences. The fear that the other party could do stuff that you don’t like in the future just isn’t a great reason to do nothing now. Especially since conservatives main agenda is to stall progress, you’re basically letting them have full control whether they have a majority or not.
And seriously I know it was just an example, let them kill Medicare and destroy half of their base (retirees), who love Medicare.
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Adults will be able to possess small amounts of opioids, cocaine, methamphetamine, MDMA
Adults in British Columbia will be allowed to possess small amounts of some illicit drugs starting next year, the federal government announced Tuesday — a move that marks a dramatic shift in Canada’s drug policy.
The federal government says Canadians 18 years of age and older will be able to possess up to a cumulative 2.5 grams of opioids, cocaine, methamphetamine and MDMA within British Columbia. The announcement is in response to a request from the province for an exemption from the law criminalizing drug possession.
This first-of-its-kind exemption will go into effect January 31, 2023 and last until January 31, 2026, unless it is revoked or replaced before then. The exemption means there will be no arrests, charges or seizures for personal possession at or below the 2.5 gram threshold.
The city has been the site of a surge in drug overdose deaths which accelerated throughout the COVID-19 pandemic. B.C. saw 2,224 suspected toxic illicit drug overdose deaths in 2021 and over 9,400 since 2016.
…the exemption is a dramatic policy shift in favour of what decriminalization advocates say is an approach that treats addiction as a health issue, rather than a criminal one. One of the goals of decriminalization is to reduce the stigma associated with substance abuse.
…”The fear of being criminalized has led many people to hide their addiction and use drugs alone. And using drugs alone can mean dying alone, particularly in this climate of tragically increased illicit drug toxicity.”
I support this, but where did they come up with 2.5 grams? Can I wear my 8-Ball jacket or not?
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That policy was enacted in Portugal a decade or so back, it has generally been seen as a great success. They have decriminalised addicts and combining it with treatment have reduced the numbers of people with drug problems.
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Testing it on kids…hmm. Ethically dubious if those kids can’t consent to eating ze bugs.
The story needs you to subscribe (I already am to the i) but if you read it the whole thing is opt in. They will be doing some education bits on it and then asking the kids if they want to try and as they are primary school age I am sure there’d be a parental consent form too.
So no ethics issue, they aren’t sneaking a locust into their sandwiches. 😂
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Yeah, I suspect we will all be eating a lot of insect meat in ten years or so.
That, and lab-grown meat. Yummy.
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Honestly there’s no real need for insect food, you can eat vegan protein, like beans and spinach and gluten, and get all essential amino acids and fatty acids from vegetable sources. (Maybe with supplementation of vitamin B12 and omega 3 fatty acids.) But I’m not sure pork and beef is going away, people don’t give a fuck about the climate when it interferes with food, so they’ll continue to eat meat unless tasty alternatives come into play.
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Honestly there’s no real need for insect food,
Maybe not nutritionally but some crops in a vegan diet are not great for the world either. Growth in soya sales has resulted in mass deforestation, things like almonds cause water shortages.
Not that I really know how it works on an industrial scale but I can imagine insect cultivation would be pretty efficient.
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I’m really looking forward to this, strangely. Not that I necessarily like eating insects (I’ve tried a few types of roasted ants and it’s okay), but because it just seems… Right. And exciting.
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So will the ethical treatment of insects be a thing? Will there be an issue of factory-raised vs. free-range insects?
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By coincidence George Monbiot, the environmental writer, was on The Guardian’s daily podcast today talking about sustainable food production. He didn’t go into insects but he had some interesting and sometimes unexpected things to say.
The first was our food system is screwed. Our sources of protein are massively damaging and we’ll see huge shortages and crop failures over the coming years, more ‘dustbowl’ scenarios as once seen in the 1930s
Organic pasture fed meat you might expect an environmentalist to champion is the worst for the environment, it damages more land and produces more carbon. If everyone in the US switched to it they’d have to turn every piece of land over to it, including the desert. In fact he had no time for going back to ‘traditional’ farming but that the answers are all technological.
His solution is to shut down all meat and vegetable farming for protein and move to it being created in ‘breweries’. He went to one in Helsinki where they gave him a pancake which contained our daily protein requirements in it (and says it was very tasty). For grains a project in the US has created perennial rice, instead of the normal pattern of a plant coming to season and then dying this plant keeps producing in growth cycles (again he tried the rice and said it tasted just like normal rice). If you can produce 3 or 4 times as much quantity of a crop that way then you need far less land that can be re-wilded and solve deforestation and biodiversity problems.
I found a link to one of these protein breweries in the Netherlands: https://www.theproteinbrewery.nl/
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where they gave him a pancake which contained our daily protein requirements in it
Small nitpick/aside here: Our daily protein requirement is supposed to come to us over the course of a whole day in several smaller meals, not in one big meal. The body doesn’t work like that, at least as far as I’ve read on nutrition.
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So will the ethical treatment of insects be a thing? Will there be an issue of factory-raised vs. free-range insects?
I’ve got a bug zapper that kills the free range insects right here in my house and cooks them at the same time.
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Yeah, like I said, I expect lab-grown meat of some form will take over the market. The protein brewery thing is new to me, though. It sounds great. Overall, I’d say the market in meat alternatives is only starting out and we will see incredible growth in this over the next years. That Dutch brewery doesn’t exactly make it easy to understand how they produce their, uh, product though.
I think as long as the price is good people would be more than happy to have lab-grown stuff, I certainly would. At the moment in supermarkets here meat substitute is at least double the price or I’d gladly switch entirely across.
As to the brewery production bit, Monbiot used the word ‘bacteria’ a lot which they may be shying away from in promotional material as decades of toilet cleaning ads have given it a very negative connotation.
Here’s the link to the show in case anyone wants to hear it: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/audio/2022/jun/03/how-to-feed-the-world-without-destroying-it-podcast
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As to the brewery production bit, Monbiot used the word ‘bacteria’ a lot which they may be shying away from in promotional material as decades of toilet cleaning ads have given it a very negative connotation.
Yeah, that sounds about right. We’ll be eating bateria and fungi and stuff, and that’s not something those businesses will actively advertise.
Personally, I think it’s great, including eating insects. It’s all very cyberpunk, and thus automatically approved by me.
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You will live to see man-made horrors beyond your comprehension…
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Like Kim Kardashian?
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Of course, shifting to plant based or artificial meat will essentially mean the virtual extinction of domestic animals as they eat the raw materials for our food. Why would we grow feed for animals when they have no value on the market?
Also, many wild animals will be killed to clear land for crops and production centers as our population increases to 14 billion people. People are concerned about endangered species, but the reason cows, pigs and chickens are not endangered is that they are supported by the human population.
So, it obviously won’t be a “no kill” solution. When they lose that value, then we’re not releasing them into the wild.
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Has anyone here tried those “beyond meat” and similar products?
Yes. I have recently bought the chicken shnitzel and burgers and they are great, I couldn’t tell any difference at all.
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Has anyone here tried those “beyond meat” and similar products?
Yes. I have recently bought the chicken shnitzel and burgers and they are great, I couldn’t tell any difference at all.
I tried Burger King’s Impossible Whopper. It was okay. I could definitely tell, by look and taste, it wasn’t real beef. I’m not sure they will ever get the plant-based substitutes will ever truly taste like beef.
Something else to remember about plant-based substitutes is that they are not necessarily healthier than meat. They have to add so many things to simulate the taste and texture, you destroy any potential nutritional value. They are processed junk food.
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We aren’t vegan or vegetarian
Neither am I, but my brother and two sisters have been at times (not currently) and my mother gets sick with red meat and then white meat wasn’t appealing anymore, so she went “vegetarian that eats fish”.
I can’t seem to enjoy red meat anymore, well, that processed shit is horrible on my system, and I haven’t been to a restaurant that specializes (The Keg) since 2019.
I’m okay if I cook it, but no matter what I’m getting sleepy.During the pandemic they kept putting things like chicken nuggets on sale (like, less than half price of normal) and after teaching me how to hoard I had my deep freezer full of stuff like that. When you need to make room you have to cook it and eat it. Never been so gassy in my life.
Admittedly probably more proof to stay away processed foods, but gets me thinking about how many people there are in the world, and how many of us have too much ‘dead animal’ in our diet. Way too much.
The older I get, the more I think of the Grant Morrison quote (“These are dead animals”} below:
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I think meat will stay around in some form, maybe as more of an exclusive product only the rich can afford to eat regularly. With the plebs eating the crickets and mealworms and pink ooze. Funny that the left is going along with this when they used to be about giving poor people better lives.
What’s the alternative, though, to your mind? Keep the poor’s ability to eat meat at the expense of future generations, and especially the poor of those generations? Or banning meat for everybody equally, so the rich don’t get any? (I might be down with the latter. Price doesn’t have to play a role in these things. You could have a system of meat rations, where there’s a clear limit to the meat a person is allowed to eat in a year. That’d be fairer than regulating by price.)
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I am not sure that is because of meat though
It is.
There are added complications with supply chain in Covid and Ukraine grain supplies but if you strip that out, and we have the numbers that was the trend regardless and before either issue, there are simple maths at play.
The more your diet uses meat the more you double up the process because you have to feed the livestock. If nobody eats meat then 100% of grain produce goes to feeding humans. The more meat you eat the more land is turned over to both their grazing land and crops to feed them. The less land used for farming the more we can turn over to wilding and biodiversity which supplies the vast majority of our medicines.
We can all have opposing opinions but we can’t have alternative facts. Increasing meat consumption is really, really bad for the planet. That doesn’t mean banning meat or other silly binary arguments. As I said the majority of meat people eat right now is not prime steaks it is processed chicken, pork and beef.
I can’t be arsed with the next sentence as I believe anyone here is intelligent enough to join the dots.
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Another mass shooting:
At least 3 killed, 11 injured in shooting on Philadelphia’s South Street
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Another mass shooting:
At least 3 killed, 11 injured in shooting on Philadelphia’s South Street
But JR, these are all false flag operations funded by George Soros to take away America’s guns so the pedophiles can take over!
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