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  • #109114

    Harry should have done the American thing – pull out a gun and start shooting.

    I have no idea how Americans have gotten this reputation…oh, wait….

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  • #109124

    Harry should have done the American thing – pull out a gun and start shooting.

    That only works if the paparazzi are black and unarmed.

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  • #109128

    I have no love for paparazzi, but I also grow tired of Megan and Harry’s whole “We want to be famous … no not that famous” thing.

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  • #109251

    Montana has a ban on TikTok starting January

    The US Surgeon General has issued a warning on social media

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  • #109309

    DeSantis released a really weird capaign ad which features a lot of Elon Musk for some reason. These two linking up in this way is creepy.

  • #109316

    DeSantis released a really weird capaign ad which features a lot of Elon Musk for some reason. These two linking up in this way is creepy.

    It didn’t go well for DeSantis; late start, technical issues, and Musk, of course. Donald Trump had a field day ragging on his rival.

  • #109325

    DeSantis released a really weird capaign ad which features a lot of Elon Musk for some reason. These two linking up in this way is creepy.

    It didn’t go well for DeSantis; late start, technical issues, and Musk, of course. Donald Trump had a field day ragging on his rival.

    And the number of people who tuned in was pathetic. Originally, 500,000 people signed in to listen to the announcement. because of the technical issues, that number had dropped to 250,000. If he had made the announcement on Fox News, he would have had millions of people watching.

  • #109369

    DeSantis released a really weird capaign ad which features a lot of Elon Musk for some reason. These two linking up in this way is creepy.

    It didn’t go well for DeSantis; late start, technical issues, and Musk, of course. Donald Trump had a field day ragging on his rival.

    And the number of people who tuned in was pathetic. Originally, 500,000 people signed in to listen to the announcement. because of the technical issues, that number had dropped to 250,000. If he had made the announcement on Fox News, he would have had millions of people watching.

    Inside Twitter’s failed Space launch

    The rest of her tweet fell short on details, though. So, for those who didn’t get a call from Musk yesterday, here’s what sources told Platformer about what was happening behind the scenes.

    Perhaps the most important thing to know about Spaces’ technical problems: over the past several months Musk cut the Spaces team, which once numbered as many as 100 employees, down to roughly three people.

    For months now, the Spaces team has been operating without most of the institutional knowledge it accumulated since Twitter added live audio conversations in 2021 to compete with then-hot Clubhouse.

    “Practically no one remaining knows the current architecture in depth,” one person lamented on the pseudonymous employee forum Blind.

  • #109399

    DeSantis released a really weird capaign ad which features a lot of Elon Musk for some reason. These two linking up in this way is creepy.

    It didn’t go well for DeSantis; late start, technical issues, and Musk, of course. Donald Trump had a field day ragging on his rival.

    It’s worrying. DeSantis worries me but Musk flirting with politics even more so. I have a suspicion Musk’s beliefs are in that weird neo-reactionary bubble people like Curtis Yarvin and Nick Land are in. Tech fash.

     

    THis, combined with neuralink starting human experimentation, and brain scanning techniques being able to read minds, put me in a very dystopian mood.

     

    https://news.utexas.edu/2023/05/01/brain-activity-decoder-can-reveal-stories-in-peoples-minds/

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  • #109404

    It’s worrying. DeSantis worries me but Musk flirting with politics even more so. I have a suspicion Musk’s beliefs are in that weird neo-reactionary bubble people like Curtis Yarvin and Nick Land are in. Tech fash.

    Yeah, tech fash slash ultra-libertarian, wanting to erase governments and have a privately-run world (like Peter Thiel). They want Gibson’s Neuromancer world, basically.

    THis, combined with neuralink starting human experimentation, and brain scanning techniques being able to read minds, put me in a very dystopian mood.

    I do think we’re living in the moment when the true acceleration starts – maybe the singularity has already happened. The future is here, and it’s developing so fast that it’s hard for us to even influence at this point whether it’ll be dystopian or pretty cool. I’m basically just hoping for the latter.

  • #109417

    DeSantis released a really weird capaign ad which features a lot of Elon Musk for some reason. These two linking up in this way is creepy.

    It didn’t go well for DeSantis; late start, technical issues, and Musk, of course. Donald Trump had a field day ragging on his rival.

    It’s worrying. DeSantis worries me but Musk flirting with politics even more so. I have a suspicion Musk’s beliefs are in that weird neo-reactionary bubble people like Curtis Yarvin and Nick Land are in. Tech fash.

     

    THis, combined with neuralink starting human experimentation, and brain scanning techniques being able to read minds, put me in a very dystopian mood.

     

    https://news.utexas.edu/2023/05/01/brain-activity-decoder-can-reveal-stories-in-peoples-minds/

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    Which is hilarious given the last few years:

    Dodgy, ultra right wing business dude;

    5G will mind control you! The covid vaccine is a covert microchip process heralding the end times!

    Same dodgy dude now:

    Buy my mind controlling microchip!

  • #109418

    That was always the case though, wasn’t it? The same people who were yelling about government surveillance happily giving away their personal data to facebook, tictoc, google… whoever was asking.

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  • #109423

    Eh, the right is a bit more stupid about this, but the other side would gobble it up as well. The government could say we have to implant microchips in everyone because it would improve public health and “help the NHS” and lefties would be calling anyone with doubts about it a crazy conspiracy theorist.

     

    The people in control want more control, wether they’re the left or the right

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  • #109433

    It is another sign of how weird and polarised we become on social media but I think it also misses that most people don’t give a shit. Musk has spent a lot of money because he wants to control Twitter but it is one of the least used platforms. My ‘for you’ tab is 40% trans and terf arguments, while I strongly lean to the trans side this really is one of the most unimportant debates in most people’s lives.

    Food and fuel prices are up dramatically, that affects everyone and it isn’t in my feed. There’s no debate about ‘greedflation’ where a variety of companies that supply these things, from Exxon/BP to supermarkets are reporting astonishing profits and dividends.

    The biggest issue we really have is the stock market model, it doesn’t reward running a good business, it only rewards ever increasing profit and speculation, neither of which are really sustainable. I worked for a combined 20 years for 2 blue chip companies everyone knows and they posted a profit every year or quarter in all that time. They were under constant pressure by shareholders to offload staff and cut costs to make more and more, even though they were operating fine.

    Twitter isn’t worth $44bn, it has never made any money. It’s a bullshit system too many buy into.

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  • #109443

    It is another sign of how weird and polarised we become on social media but I think it also misses that most people don’t give a shit. Musk has spent a lot of money because he wants to control Twitter but it is one of the least used platforms. My ‘for you’ tab is 40% trans and terf arguments, while I strongly lean to the trans side this really is one of the most unimportant debates in most people’s lives.

    Food and fuel prices are up dramatically, that affects everyone and it isn’t in my feed. There’s no debate about ‘greedflation’ where a variety of companies that supply these things, from Exxon/BP to supermarkets are reporting astonishing profits and dividends.

    The biggest issue we really have is the stock market model, it doesn’t reward running a good business, it only rewards ever increasing profit and speculation, neither of which are really sustainable. I worked for a combined 20 years for 2 blue chip companies everyone knows and they posted a profit every year or quarter in all that time. They were under constant pressure by shareholders to offload staff and cut costs to make more and more, even though they were operating fine.

    Twitter isn’t worth $44bn, it has never made any money. It’s a bullshit system too many buy into.

    Good summation. And it feels like this has become more and more obvious in recent years, but… there still aren’t enough people willing to do something about it.

    I’ll get to that post-capitalism vid later, Todd. I think this is still the rub, and today more so than ever. I mean, for several reasons. Capitalism (or the “free economy”) as it is right now isn’t sustainable, nor is it going to be, and we’re moving so much closer to the point of no return every year now. At the same time, this new generation of AIs is going to transform our world inside the next decade or so, in ways we can’t even predict right now but that clearly will revolutionise every aspect of our lives faster than we imagine. But one thing is for sure, this will have a massive impact on our economic system, and quite possibly one the current model can’t really deal with.

    That’s what you get for reading all those cyberpunk novels. Suddenly we’re there.

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nkS8CguQG1s/Tt4GUKz2rzI/AAAAAAAAAkU/KlaBofMQVnw/s1600/From+Hell+4.png

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  • #109445

    Oh, and since this is the news page: ChatGPT 4.0 has achieved the “Abitur”, the highest level of high school diploma, in Bavaria with pretty good grades. This is only interesting insofar as 3.5 crapped out when they tried the same thing (and while it was passing the Bar and medical exams in the US), so quite a lot seems to have changed there. I may have to become a paying user just to see what it can do now.

    Because the thing here is the trajectory. It doesn’t really matter what these AIs can do right now, the interesting thing is what they’ll be able to do in two years.

  • #109448

    I feel it’s worth remembering that Chat GPT isn’t actually AI, it’s just a very sophisticated version of the predictive text on your phone using the buzzword as a selling point. Same with Midjourney and all the art tools too.

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  • #109452

    Well, yes, but there comes a point when that differentiation becomes academic. You know, the Turing Test: does it matter if it is “truly” intelligent if you really can’t tell the difference anymore?

    I loved that in Peter Watts’ “Blindsight” – there are aliens there that the crew of a spaceship in a first encounter scenario think they are truly communicating with until they realise they’re talking to a Chinese Room kind of thing, basically this kind of predictive text algorithm.

    Either way – these AIs are good enough at what they do that they will be an incredibly efficient tool in many, many areas.

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  • #109454

    I’ve actually likened Chat GPT to the alien communication system in Blindsight myself in the past, because it’s very much the same thing. Of course, it couldn’t actually communicate, just fool people for a short amount of time, and the aliens themselves had divested themselves of many of their higher mental processes to deal with the psychological issues of starflight.

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  • #109458

    Tools like ChatGPT can be good but they need a conductor to guide their use.  Ask it to write you an Excel macro for a specific purpose and the output will probably be good.  Ask it to write a review of Forspoken and it’ll probably say it’s available on Xbox.

    The biggest error being made right now is the belief, again, that technology just magically works. It doesn’t, you need people with the skills and creativity to make it work.

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  • #109462

    I’ve posted this before but Adam Conover does a good summary of current AI.

  • #109463

    Tools like ChatGPT can be good but they need a conductor to guide their use.  Ask it to write you an Excel macro for a specific purpose and the output will probably be good.  Ask it to write a review of Forspoken and it’ll probably say it’s available on Xbox.

    The biggest error being made right now is the belief, again, that technology just magically works. It doesn’t, you need people with the skills and creativity to make it work.

    Add to the fact that you still have to check it’s output because it still may have errors.

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  • #109464

    Yep, which is what the Forspoken example is about.  Someone actually did that and got that output.

    Used badly and thoughtlessly? It’ll send inefficiency way up.

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  • #109479

    That’s the thing though, isn’t it? With just one person to guide it and check the output, it can probably do the work of like ten people working in all kinds of fields that are essentially administrative or handling data and giving reports and whatnot. It’s an idiot in many ways, but one that, coupled with an actual thinking person, will make work far more efficient than it is today.

    It’s kind of funny that this will erase a lot of desk jobs in offices, and that the jobs that won’t be impacted at all are the, like, handicraft and construction and whatnot jobs. Apart from that, I guess we’ll all just become influencers and have our own podcasts.

  • #109481

    If you get 10 people’s worth of work out of ChatGPT that then requires 10 people to check it, if only due to sheer quantity.  Similarly there’s data and there’s how to interpret and present it.

    I’ve given a Smart Narrative tool a try and it wasn’t that good.  It worked well with what it had but it couldn’t do any steps beyond what it had.

    I agree some employers will take a very narrow view – overvaluing tech and undervaluing humans and conclude they can cut their workers but I’d like to think it’ll backfire on those same employers.

    If employers think technology will be their magic bullet when their problems are a crappy workplace culture, which does get set from the top, poor pay and insecure roles, they’re fooling themselves.

  • #109483

    If you get 10 people’s worth of work out of ChatGPT that then requires 10 people to check it, if only due to sheer quantity.

    I don’t think so, simply because checking something and correcting stuff doesn’t take as long as writing it from scratch in the first place. It’s why translation is a shrinking field for jobs – with DeepL and the like, all those documents are translated instantly, and you can read through and correct them in a tenth of the time it would take to translate them yourself.

    I agree some employers will take a very narrow view – overvaluing tech and undervaluing humans and conclude they can cut their workers but I’d like to think it’ll backfire on those same employers.

    Well, if they’re smart about it, it’ll mainly give them an edge to use the tech well. But I think it’d be over-optimistic to expect this to have no impact on jobs at all. Like I said, it’s already pretty much done where translation is concerned, and I think the same will probably go for, like, clerking and secretary work and the like. And so on.

  • #109484

    I agree it’ll impact jobs because too many executives are narrow minded.

    But I’m not convinced that checking and refining material is that quick a process.  People will certainly believe it to be, and if total plausible-sounding-shite is the desired result, that will be supplied.

    I can buy that translation software is good to a degree but perfect? I doubt it, especially to those who know the language.  It’s like how there are captions for meetings.  They get probably 90% right but aren’t a substitute for being at the meeting nor a replacement for minutes.

    We’ve probably got a few years of execs getting drunk on what they think tech can do, a few bankrupt companies that went all in and then, later, they sober up and start to use it properly within its actual capacity, with humans back in the picture

  • #109485

    There’s been a few instances of Lawyers using ChatGPT to source precedent for suits they’re filing, only for the bot to create the cases out of thin air. For example:

    https://boingboing.net/2023/05/28/lawyer-fabricates-brief-using-chatgpt-then-doubles-down-when-judge-wants-details-of-the-fake-cases-it-cited.html?_ga=2.233421342.1279650332.1685253705-1632953209.1676736320

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  • #109486

    “Source?”

    “I made it up.”

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  • #109487

    Now Arjan, do use proper terminology, we call that “alternative facts”.

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  • #109488

    There’s been a few instances of Lawyers using ChatGPT to source precedent for suits they’re filing, only for the bot to create the cases out of thin air. For example:

    https://boingboing.net/2023/05/28/lawyer-fabricates-brief-using-chatgpt-then-doubles-down-when-judge-wants-details-of-the-fake-cases-it-cited.html?_ga=2.233421342.1279650332.1685253705-1632953209.1676736320

    Goddamn AI taking a job I could do.

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  • #109513

    I can buy that translation software is good to a degree but perfect? I doubt it,

    I was working with translation software 15 years ago for a major website. Back then while very far from perfect it is true that it was far quicker for us to get a human to check and correct than translate the whole thing from scratch.

    The tech is still very flawed, just before the coronation the palace website put up a version of the oath swearing in Welsh (like anyone ever used it but I digress..). The problem was that the the word ‘swear’ has a double meaning which is split into two other words in Welsh ‘rhegi’ which means curse words and ‘tyngi’ which means to swear an oath. The computer picked the wrong to amusing effect but despite that flaw it takes seconds to correct instead of several minutes to draft from the original English text.

    A frequent issue now though, as that example shows, is a lot of places can’t even be arsed to implement the checking phase before publishing.

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  • #109518

    That is where I’m seeing far more compelling problems with this tech:

    – Unchecked info being published because too much trust has been placed in the tech

    – Wholescale image work theft and replication.

    – Articles that are total crap.

    – Concentration of the tech into a handful companies, granting a practical monopoly.  Strangely, guess which companies are arguing for AI regulation.

    Separate to all of this, I’ve seen some good arguments on Twitter for how AI can be used to support and enable creators, instead of ripping them off.

    Another argument I’ve seen is the understanding of AI being publicised is from engineers who have a tendency to see A to B to C. Where an arts-based view of AI is more likely to see it as A may lead to B and to C.  Which might be more useful as the problem is less the tech and more its human users.

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  • #109541

    Changing tack, this is a big deal in Oz:

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jun/01/ben-roberts-smith-loses-defamation-case-with-judge-saying-newspapers-established-truth-of-some-murders

    Includes work by Chris Masters, ex-MW Tim’s dad.  And the story? It is bad, bad stuff but a great example of what journalism can be.

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  • #109577

    Regarding DeSantis:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/people-arent-showing-up-to-work-south-florida-workers-already-feeling-heat-of-immigration-bill/

    According to other reports, a LOT of Hispanics and others have left and did not show up for work. It is practically crippling the Florida agriculture, the construction sites, hotel service etc. all across the state.

    The ones hired to replace them are just not working out.

    Wow.

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  • #109582

    Can’t wait till the power cuts start here. We’re all going to be shithole countries.

     

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/terror-and-security/south-africa-power-cuts-blackouts/

  • #109583

    They told us in the UK that we would have power cuts last winter. We didn’t have a single one here, and I didn’t hear of anything elsewhere in the country. I think the threat is just another tool in the politicans’ playbook of “how to keep the country scared and compliant”.

    I don’t know about South Africa, though. It looks like they’re suffering from decades of not investing in power stations. But why a country famous for its sunny weather is not 100% solar is a bit of a mystery.

     

  • #109584

    Oh yeah, the Telegraph, the paper that has just started a campaign vilifying those on disability benefits.

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  • #109590

    They told us in the UK that we would have power cuts last winter. We didn’t have a single one here, and I didn’t hear of anything elsewhere in the country. I think the threat is just another tool in the politicans’ playbook of “how to keep the country scared and compliant”.

    I don’t know about South Africa, though. It looks like they’re suffering from decades of not investing in power stations. But why a country famous for its sunny weather is not 100% solar is a bit of a mystery.

     

    I actually listened to a really interesting podcast about this the other day:

    Blackout: Coal, corruption and cyanide • The Slow Newscast

  • #109600

    I don’t know about South Africa, though. It looks like they’re suffering from decades of not investing in power stations. But why a country famous for its sunny weather is not 100% solar is a bit of a mystery.

    It’s the usual I suspect. Short term profit motive.

    In Malaysia we have a minimum 25 degrees temperature at night, and average around 30 and almost no solar power. There is more solar power generated in my home town in grey and rainy Wales than here. We have a solar farm in Port Talbot, there are none in Malaysia.

    Malaysia has a lot of access to offshore oil. Cuba with none of that and an almost identical tropical climate was running entire resorts off solar 24 years ago.

    It’s not to single out Malaysia but we globally have a tendency to the easy and lazy over the long term best policy. It took the Ukraine invasion for European countries to press for renewables over cheap gas from Russia.

  • #109620

    Some important advisory council here said the lack of transparency about the nation’s handling of corona was a problem. The health minister ignored the advice because he said being more open would “threaten national security”.

  • #109623

    It’s the usual I suspect. Short term profit motive

    It’s more complex than that. After apartheid, the coal mines were transferred largely to black ownership. So there’s been a vested interest in buying from them to generate power for wealth redistribution reasons. But now you’ve got Western powers coming in saying “coal is bad, you should go to solar. Don’t worry, we’ll give you loans.” So it’s seen as colonial imperialism by stealth.
    Also after Apartheid, the electricity supply was extended to (poorer) black areas that previously had no supply. These municipalities are still quite poor though, so keep defaulting on payment, which puts a strain on the supplier. This is exacerbated by mass criminality: coal supplies are intercepted by gangs and replaced with lower quality stuff filled out with stones and dirt that damage the coal processors. The gangs are also paying off power station staff to damage things, forcing maintenance call outs that are fixed at high rates, which the gangs are in on. And there’s general political corruption with various members of the ANC skimming off the funds. So they can’t afford to do any major infrastructure improvements.

    It’s a total clusterfuck, hence why they’re playing nice with Putin to try and get coal imports again.

    Really worth listening to that podcast if you have time.

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  • #109635

    Naomi Klein writes some interesting stuff about South Africa. That as part of the deal to end apartheid, the ANC who were wedded to socialist principles were forced to accept a constitution that essentially made it impossible and kept a large degree of wealth in the previous administration’s private hands.

    Now that is not to gloss over corruption in the ANC, there’s plenty of it post Mandela, but to a degree it was driven as part of the deal.

    It’s interesting because we generally view constitutions as good thing and generally they are but are also hugely open to abuse. When post 2003 Iraq was established the US appointed head imposed very radical libertarian aspects to their constitution, the guarantee of allowing complete foreign ownership of any industries is enshrined in it.

    They cannot use any protectionist controls while the US itself does them all the time. They’ve blocked Arab countries buying ports, in 2008 the company I worked for was saved from any losses by a federal agreement that government could only buy US made computers. State authorities placed caveats that they would only sign contracts if all support calls were answered in the US and not overseas. They have steel tariffs to make the foreign imports too expensive.

    The UK to me are actually the biggest mugs, they’ve embraced that philosophy more evangelically to the degree we own next to fuck all. It’s all a philosophy to sell for short term gain. Our only steel production is run by an Indian firm, if a world war happened again we’d have no control over building arms as we did in the 1940s. While Biden is promoting semi-conductor production in the USA with his CHIPS act the UK had the dominant mobile chip company in the world in ARM, which powers every smartphone and now every Apple product after they ditched Intel and just sold it to the Japanese.

     

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  • #109821

    Trans-friendly counter-protesters stand up to activist outside Ottawa schools

    Have the news on in the background, and I think they’re talking about hard core right wing shit in the U.S.
    Nope. Right here. An anti-trans rally “Education over Indoctrination” (don’t want gender identity taught in schools, and outlaw puberty blockers) shows how far some will go. They brought their own kids and watching them stomp on Pride flags for the cameras absolutely sickened me.
    You would teach a child that? How to hate? Just wrong on so many levels, and pathetic.

    Then it goes into a story about the province of New Brunswick trying to make changes in their education system (you go by the name on your birth certificate, plus more, etc.)
    Again with schools? So no barriers to decency?

    Nice to see Trudeau say “Trans kids don’t need to ask for permission for who they are. Trans kids need to feel safe and know we have their backs, not targeted by politicians.”
    Sad (but expected) to see Poilievre (leader of Federal right Progressive Conservatives) sidestep the question (“we’ll let the provinces decide their own education system”)
    How horrible for some that are in a vulnerable state to be the target of so much hate.

    Maybe it was just naive of me to think we’re constantly moving forward when proof very much exists that many want to move backwards.
    Not trying to be overly negative here, but this shit in the world needs to be stood up to. We can’t get lackadaisical about it, especially not at election time.

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  • #109839

    Theodore ‘Ted’ Kaczynski, known as the ‘Unabomber,’ has died in federal prison

    I didn’t even know he was in his 80s.

  • #109847

    For every concussion suffered by an NHL player, there are… – CBC.ca

    For every concussion incurred by an NHL player, approximately 7,000 women and girls in Canada are concussed because of intimate partner and domestic violence, according to a new estimate from YWCA Metro Vancouver and researchers at the University of British Columbia.

    Approximately four in 10 women and girls in Canada will face violence from a current or former partner, according to a 2021 report by Statistics Canada, or about 290,000 every year. As many as 92 per cent of them will suffer a traumatic brain injury due to blows to their head or strangulation.

    And that number has been on the rise in British Columbia since the COVID-19 pandemic, according to 2022 report from the B.C. Centre for Disease Control.

    Transgender, disabled or racialized people also face higher rates of intimate partner violence.

    More in link…

    Those are some sickeningly shocking stats, and I honestly had no idea.
    Former Vancouver Canuck Trevor Linden was on TV talking about it and I was blown away. Canadian data only, no idea on the U.S. or elsewhere.
    This behavior has been around long before the pandemic, so we can’t blame that. I do think it made things worse though.

    Sorry if it seems like I have my weekend beers and bring horror stories.
    But like it says in the article:
    Linden called on men and boys to educate themselves on violence and to call out one another for perpetrating or dismissing abusive behaviour of any kind. “Men have to start to understand that [women’s] equality and fairness and protection has to be talked about”
    Yes. Do not turn a blind eye.

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  • #110254

    https://abcnews.go.com/International/live-updates/missing-titanic-tourist-submersible/?id=100224153

  • #110255

    Sad. Horrible way to die.

  • #110259

    If the sub had a pressure breach, which is looking more likely, it would have been so fast they wouldn’t have known what was happening.

  • #110261

    Yeah, I guess that’s the one consolation to take from this. Probably better to go that way than after days slowly dying in close quarters with several other people in a tiny metal tube at the bottom of the ocean.

    This whole affair has been fairly grim and I’ve found it pretty disturbing to think about. Hopefully in future it leads to better safety oversight for these kinds of operations.

  • #110263

    I found myself wondering… if I knew I was down to an hour of oxygen and would die slowly and horribly, would I trigger a pressure breach instead? :unsure:

     

  • #110265

    Musk vs Zuckerbot cage fight! What timeline is this?

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  • #110267

    Let’s see what ThE wOrLd’S fOrEmOsT tHiNkEr has to say:

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  • #110268

    Brazilian Ju-Jitsilu versus Walrus.

  • #110269

    This whole affair has been fairly grim and I’ve found it pretty disturbing to think about. Hopefully in future it leads to better safety oversight for these kinds of operations.

    Seems unlikely that any significant safety measures can be added for a vehicle that goes to places that are inherently dangerous, such as outer space and the depths of the ocean. Apparently the OceanGate Expeditions waiver forms, which customers must sign before joining the ride, mention the potential for death THREE TIMES on the first page alone. I imagine Elon Musk’s SpaceX ride must have similar hold-harmless clauses in their application forms.

  • #110270

    This whole affair has been fairly grim and I’ve found it pretty disturbing to think about. Hopefully in future it leads to better safety oversight for these kinds of operations.

    Seems unlikely that any significant safety measures can be added for a vehicle that goes to places that are inherently dangerous, such as outer space and the depths of the ocean. Apparently the OceanGate Expeditions waiver forms, which customers must sign before joining the ride, mention the potential for death THREE TIMES on the first page alone. I imagine Elon Musk’s SpaceX ride must have similar hold-harmless clauses in their application forms.

    From what I’ve read, this sub was basically a disaster waiting to happen. No redundant systems, apparently they lost comms with the surface almost every single dive (edit to add: and they never got around to adding a deployable emergency beacon), they refused to get it safety certified, cut costs, fired staff who raised safety concerns and hired a lot of inexperienced people… It’s less what went wrong this time and more how did it not go wrong before this.

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  • #110272

    Yeah, I’m not suggesting that you can make these trips entirely risk-free but there is a sliding scale of risk, and I’m not sure operations like this should be allowed to put paying customers in that kind of danger regardless of how they word their waiver.

    Based on the public criticisms of this company that predate the accident I’m surprised that they were allowed to operate. I’m guessing that similar operators will be under more scrutiny in future.

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  • #110273

    Brazilian Ju-Jitsilu versus Walrus.

    Yeah apparently the Zucc is a trained fighter. He is going to destroy Musk.

  • #110276

    Based on the public criticisms of this company that predate the accident I’m surprised that they were allowed to operate. I’m guessing that similar operators will be under more scrutiny in future.

    After reading more about this today, I gather that part of the reason they were able to operate without much (any?) oversight is because the dives took place in international waters. So I’m not sure how easy it would be to enforce additional regulation for this kind of thing.

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  • #110277

    Thing is firing whistleblowers who flagged serious risks, operating in international waters to evade regulations, refusing to comply with certification and requiring liability waivers all adds up to one very dodgy operation.

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  • #110278

    operating in international waters to evade regulations

    In fairness, it’s not like you can dive to the wreck of the Titanic anywhere else.

  • #110281

    I know this is a banal thing to say, but it’s still depressing how quickly the deaths of a handful of rich people replaced a ship disaster in which 700 migrants died from the headlines, and how much more global attention this caught.

    And I can understand the reason why this grabs so much more attention, even apart from the one death is a tragedy, a million etc. thing. The disappearance of the Titan made for a fascinating story and it was something completely unexpected, whereas we unfortunately have gotten all too used to poor people drowning in the Mediterrenean. But still, and I know this is callous, but I find it weird how much more empathy a couple of rich guys on a pleasure trip experience compared to hundreds of desperate people looking for a better life. And I also realise that that is unfair and that I am the one pitting two disasters against each other now and that empathising with one doesn’t mean you can’t feel for the other, but still. It’s just, with those two happening so quickly after each other, it does invite contrasting them.

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  • #110282

    operating in international waters to evade regulations

    In fairness, it’s not like you can dive to the wreck of the Titanic anywhere else.

    Not inclined to be fair to be a bunch of cost-cutting bastards.

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  • #110284

    I know this is a banal thing to say, but it’s still depressing how quickly the deaths of a handful of rich people replaced a ship disaster in which 700 migrants died from the headlines, and how much more global attention this caught.

    Agreed; I’m disgusted by how much attention was focused on this rescue/recovery mission, while actual tragedies are occurring elsewhere around the world. If a bunch of billionaires (and one reluctant son) want to risk their lives (not to mention a quarter of a million dollars each) on a pointless and dangerous sightseeing tour, that’s their business; but their deaths shouldn’t get any more news coverage than that of a guy who tries to cross a busy highway and gets mowed down by a truck.

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  • #110285

    The disappearance of the Titan made for a fascinating story and it was something completely unexpected, whereas we unfortunately have gotten all too used to poor people drowning in the Mediterrenean.

    It’s interesting. I listened to the News Agents podcast discuss it today and they noted that the Chilean miners and the kids Thai football team did get the same level of saturation coverage. So it maybe isn’t the wealth of those involved so much as the narrative.

    News really being treated as entertainment, one studio had a huge graphic counting down the air left inside (which we now know was irrelevant, the sub imploded days ago).

    I do know I go back to this often but I was still very taken by a talk Alain De Botton gave on this, that news is massively driven by both narrative and images. You cannot get a story more driven by both than 9/11 for example but tens of thousands more Americans died of Covid. When the news agencies had that photo of that little toddler that drowned a few years back and was picked up on the beach by the police attitudes to refugees shifted hugely because it’s a human narrative.

    I honestly don’t know what the situation is in Syria right now because every major news source got bored of reporting it. It was top story, then after years it became the status quo.

     

     

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  • #110287

    It’s interesting. I listened to the News Agents podcast discuss it today and they noted that the Chilean miners and the kids Thai football team did get the same level of saturation coverage. So it maybe isn’t the wealth of those involved so much as the narrative.

    It’s absolutely that. As awful as it sounds when people’s lives are at stake, this was a compelling story with unusual and somewhat glamorous aspects that captured people’s imaginations.

    You couldn’t help but imagine the situation, the circumstances etc., as stomach-churning as it was.

    Unfortunately people have become somewhat desensitised to the real-life horrors on a larger scale that are occurring every day.

  • #110288

    This whole affair has been fairly grim and I’ve found it pretty disturbing to think about. Hopefully in future it leads to better safety oversight for these kinds of operations.

    Seems unlikely that any significant safety measures can be added for a vehicle that goes to places that are inherently dangerous, such as outer space and the depths of the ocean. Apparently the OceanGate Expeditions waiver forms, which customers must sign before joining the ride, mention the potential for death THREE TIMES on the first page alone. I imagine Elon Musk’s SpaceX ride must have similar hold-harmless clauses in their application forms.

    From what I’ve read, this sub was basically a disaster waiting to happen. No redundant systems, apparently they lost comms with the surface almost every single dive (edit to add: and they never got around to adding a deployable emergency beacon), they refused to get it safety certified, cut costs, fired staff who raised safety concerns and hired a lot of inexperienced people… It’s less what went wrong this time and more how did it not go wrong before this.

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by lorcan_nagle.

    After watching this video, you can see that a disaster was inevitable.

  • #110306

    Following the news from Russia is so frustrating. As the pioneers of post-truth it’s so hard to know what to believe, everything is just hearsay from Telegram or propaganda TV channels.

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  • #110341

    Hikers find human remains in area where Julian Sands went missing in January

    Does not sound good.

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  • #110343

    Given he’s being missing since January, it’s been fairly clear for a while he died, so finding the body  isn’t a bad thing.

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  • #110353

    Based on the public criticisms of this company that predate the accident I’m surprised that they were allowed to operate. I’m guessing that similar operators will be under more scrutiny in future.

    After reading more about this today, I gather that part of the reason they were able to operate without much (any?) oversight is because the dives took place in international waters. So I’m not sure how easy it would be to enforce additional regulation for this kind of thing.

    They operate in international waters, but they sell tickets and bank their profits in the United States (or wherever). It should be fairly easy to shut down their business, if there is any political will for it.

    If I row out into international waters with another British citizen and shoot him, I’m pretty sure I’m still going to be arrested when I row back to shore.

     

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  • #110357

    That move by the Wagner Group:

    https://abcnews.go.com/International/wagner-groups-rebellion-putin-unfolded/story?id=100373557

  • #110404

    USA… Brace yourselves again

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/canada-wildfire-smoke-us-air-quality/?id=100434871

  • #110413

    Biden said Russia is losing the war in Iraq… :D

  • #110456

    If I row out into international waters with another British citizen and shoot him, I’m pretty sure I’m still going to be arrested when I row back to shore.

    You might be but there is quite a dark story about how many deaths happen on cruises and other international waters vessels that aren’t properly investigated because of juristiction issues. This is from an NPR podcast I listened to about it.

    Prosecuting crimes committed at sea is extremely difficult. Only 16 percent of all murders and 7 percent of sexual assaults led to convictions or plea bargains, according to F.B.I. statistics. There are a number of reasons why. Crime scenes are often contaminated, since no police are onboard the ships. Who has jurisdiction depends on where the ship happens to be located when the alleged crime is committed.

    And if it’s in international waters, something called admiralty law applies. It’s up to the captain of the ship, for instance, to decide whether to incarcerate someone suspected of committing a crime. If a U.S. citizen is involved, then the F.B.I. does investigate. But many victims say, often too late.

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  • #110460

    I would have thought all murder victims think their cases have been investigated too late.

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  • #110462

    Weird shit, looks like the internet is getting killed. If you google “Biden” you only get 80 results.

  • #110463

    Did you try this yourself?

  • #110464

    Yes. Tried it again, and 79 now.

     

    edit: On top it says “558 million results”,  but if you go into the actual results there are only 79.

     

    2nd edit: uh, and twitter is down for me.

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  • #110472

    Twitter is broken again yes. Musk really has made everything worse on that platform in the interests really of promoting things he likes on there.

    Whether you agree with his worldview or not it’s a terrible model to spend so much money and I strongly suspect as soon as someone has a platform basically doing the same thing to the same scale it’ll die. He started with an agenda for eradicating bots and it is crawling with them, since 2010 the very few things I have posted have largely been ignored, now I get daily likes from sexbots on every inane thing I respond to.

    What he’s essentially done is buy a very popular nightclub and demanded the DJ play only the songs he likes, regardless of how popular they are with the crowd. I feel sorry for the CEO he installed, I mean she will get a huge salary so I won’t cry too hard, but I am pretty sure her day will be looking at making more money and Musk preventing it with his commands.

    It’s an absolute binfire and I don’t think anyone has the balls to tell him, he’s been posting in the last few days that his ‘verification’ is reducing spam, it done the exact opposite and his harsh layoffs have meant loads more downtime (and Twitter didn’t have that many people working for it anyway, apps are pretty staff-lite as a business model).

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  • #110473

    The latest news is that he’s rationed usage and limited the number of tweets users can see per day:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66077195

    Seems like a pretty good way to quickly kill a social media platform.

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  • #110481

    Does Elon Musk actually want twitter to fail? Or is he used by others who want it to fail?

  • #110482

    So part of the problem is that Musk was a mediocre software engineer 25 years ago who thinks he’s a genius, and he has no idea of how modern technology works. Part of it is that he’s surrounded himself with yes-men and notably fired anyone who pointed out his stupid decisions at Twitter, and part of it is that his mass layoffs at the company mean there’s no slack to properly test changes or to think through the implications of his latest idea to fix the problems with the site – most of which are the results of his own decisions.

    To illustrate, it seems today’s problems are caused by two of his decisions.

    1: Apparently they’ve been stiffing Google on their cloud bill and the contract was up at the end of June so they’ve been cut off.
    2: The tweet view limit means that once you hit the limit the site keeps trying to serve you new content even though the account settings mean you can’t see it and it effectively becomes a self-inflicted DDOS attack.

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  • #110484

    The upside of this is, maybe Graham Linehan will finally calm the fuck down.

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  • #110486

    Unlikely.

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  • #110487

    Edit – huh, doubled – board hasn’t done that for ages.

  • #110488

    Yeah, he was banned from Twitter for ages and it didn’t help him any

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  • #110497

    Oh right I forgot that, lots of those people were banned and then Musk let them back on, even complete nazis, like BAP and those idiots.

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  • #110503

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  • #110519

    I wonder what happens when my neuralink microchip exceeds its rate limit.

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  • #110536

    Well, obviously this:

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  • #110549

    That’s Musk when the share price finally tanks terminally.

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  • #110585

    Government here might fall tonight over refugee troubles and how to deal with that stuff. Honestly I don’t see any good political options if it comes to new elections, all the politicians are idiots. Might do a protest vote for one of the wacky parties.

  • #110593

    Government here might fall tonight over refugee troubles and how to deal with that stuff. Honestly I don’t see any good political options if it comes to new elections, all the politicians are idiots. Might do a protest vote for one of the wacky parties.

    Just becareful if a Mr. Hilter is running:

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  • #110600

    I saw this come by on twitter, seems there might be some truth to this. I think for some twitter got too influential

     

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  • #110608

    Yep we’re getting new elections, the government has collapsed. Damn circus.

  • #110611

    PR in action, which may not be a bad thing either.

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