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And the Queen is very, very annoyed with Andrew.
Andrew being a perv and who he associated with has been an open secret for decades.
They don’t give a shit about what Andrew actually did or the victim involved,
I’m Andrew.
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And the Queen is very, very annoyed with Andrew.
Andrew being a perv and who he associated with has been an open secret for decades.
They don’t give a shit about what Andrew actually did or the victim involved,
I’m Andrew.
You bastard.
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Serious question: now that he’s been stripped of his title, what name will he go by? Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor? The Royal Formerly Known As Prince Andrew? Paedandrew?
I guess it wasn’t a serious question after all, but I’m still curious.
He’s still the Duke of York, I gather.
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Serious question: now that he’s been stripped of his title, what name will he go by? Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor? The Royal Formerly Known As Prince Andrew? Paedandrew?
I guess it wasn’t a serious question after all, but I’m still curious.
Talking about it last night, my wife and I decided that a Royal Nonce sounded like a winning hand in poker.
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when before anybody saying something like that was a covidiot who was killing granny.
Sure but I think everyone on every side of this argument never wants to admit it’s a forever moving target.
Ideological thinking is bad thinking.
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More young suicides in lockdown months: new figures – DutchNews.nl
There were predictions of severe widespread mental deterioration when our lockdowns began, but because they were paired with significant cash payments for the unemployed or otherwise affected by the restrictions (which saw families literally moved out of poverty for the first time in a generation) the subject of the predictions didn’t materialise.
(There was also a drop in children presenting to EDs for self-harm and suicide attempts, but I think that is more down to the lack of opportunity – they’re stuck at home, with their WFH parents.)
Of course, the cash payments have been wound back now so the unemployed are back below the poverty line, and small businesses are really struggling.
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They did materialise to some extent. Depression and anxiety rates in the Netherlands have doubled.
The interesting question there though is if they are all attributable to restrictions – which has tended to be the political narrative – open up or mental health will suffer.
I had heightened anxiety in the first few months of the pandemic because I didn’t want to die face down in an ICU with a tube down my throat, which did happen to two people I know who were under 50 in the UK. That kind of response is hard to avoid whatever you do. A child’s mental health will suffer if they don’t have contact with their peers but also if a grandparent dies in quite a horrible way, with no contact beyond zoom calls.
We like to apply ‘sides’ to everything nowadays but we also maybe have to step back and think if you have a war or a pandemic or a climate emergency there is no scenario where mental health can improve. It was unspoken for decades but we know now the veterans or holocaust survivors that ‘didn’t talk about’ were most probably suffering from PTSD all their lives.
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I had heightened anxiety in the first few months of the pandemic because I didn’t want to die face down in an ICU with a tube down my throat, which did happen to two people I know who were under 50 in the UK. That kind of response is hard to avoid whatever you do. A child’s mental health will suffer if they don’t have contact with their peers but also if a grandparent dies in quite a horrible way, with no contact beyond zoom calls.
Absolutely I don’t deny that. It wasn’t my intention to imply the increased rates of mental distress is just due to the restrictions, fear of the disease is of course very rational. My dad is 76 and not in the best health so of course he is afraid of covid.
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Yeah and apologies if I was putting words in your mouth there Arjan, it’s just a very become almost a knee-jerk argument I hear every day when mental health is raised in connection with the pandemic.
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Interesting twitter thread more of a critique on the way news organizations seem to have a coordinated “stick to the story not the facts” approach:
As I’ve shown time and again with the New York Times, if you just go through their stories and list the sources relied on, it becomes obvious who is influencing the news and how it is framed. This is a list of the stories’ sources in chronological order, and it’s astonishing:
-“Authorities”
-LAPD Captain
-“The police”
-LAPD Captain (twice more)
-Railroad corporation (twice)
-Railroad corp. spokesperson
-Association of American Railroads
-LAPD Captain
-Asst. prof. of “marketing”
-Railroad corp.
-Railroad spokesperson
-DA
-LAPD Captain (5 more times)
Imagine being a reporter at the most influential, prestigious news org in the U.S. and writing a major story at a time of rising fascism and just repeating police and corporate talking points about needing more punishment without seeking a single other perspective. Incredible.
The facts:
– LAPD has never been defunded
– LAPD has a $3 billion budget
– There is no “rise in crime” in Los Angeles
– Shoplifting is down 30%
– LAPD shootings are up 50%
– LAPD killings are up 143%
If someone is telling you otherwise then they are lying to you. Call them out.
Thread. One thing most people don’t appreciate is how much money police spend on PR/marketing. Here are a few representative examples that should get you thinking.
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New euphemism for weapons: lethal aid!
NPR Politics on Twitter: “90 tons of U.S. lethal aid arrives in Ukraine as border tensions with Russia rise https://t.co/ZN7m8Q4sGI” / Twitter
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It’s not even a factor as police aren’t psychic and only increasing surveillance and privacy violations to draconian levels would make it one.
Probably not even then. In the early 90s I had a college pal from Northern Ireland, they had CCTV at the entrance to every building (long before it was common), they had roadblocks and even observation towers with armed forces and tanks on the streets. It was the most violent place in Europe. He told me he was a pub in Newry, had to identify himself to entry cameras to get in, was sent home to get something, came back and it had been blown up by a bomb.
Yes the solutions are primarily all social ones.
We are obsessed with the idea that the criminal justice system is a potent method to manage behaviour, it patently isn’t. The US jails more people than anywhere else on the planet and does not have good crime rates, in fact for comparable OECD countries they are the worst. The UK has more cannabis smokers than the Netherlands or Portugal where it is decriminalised. Singapore when I arrived in this region had a mandatory death sentence for drug trafficking (still does) but had a higher percentage of ecstasy users than any country in Europe.
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Jussie Smollett to be sentenced March 10 for lying to police
CHICAGO (AP) — Jussie Smollett, who was convicted last month for lying to police about a racist, homophobic attack that authorities said he staged, will return to court for sentencing March 10, a judge said Thursday.
Cook County Judge James Linn set the sentencing date in Chicago for the former “Empire” actor, who told the judge he was in New York, during a hearing on Zoom.
Smollett was found guilty by a jury Dec. 9 of five felony counts of disorderly conduct under a subsection of the law that prohibits making false reports to police. He was acquitted on a sixth count.
Smollett, who is Black and gay, maintained throughout the nearly three-year legal battle that he was attacked in downtown Chicago in January 2019 by people who yelled racist and anti-gay slurs and put a noose around his neck. He denied during the trial that he staged the attack.
While the charges carry a possible sentence of three years in prison, legal experts have said Smollett is unlikely to get prison time for the low-level felonies, and is more likely to be sentenced to probation and ordered to perform community service.
Meanwhile, lawsuits that were on hold pending the outcome of the criminal case may now move forward. They include a lawsuit the city of Chicago filed against Smollett to recoup over $130,000 it spent investigating what police initially believed was a terrible hate crime.
During Smollett’s trial, two brothers testified that Smollett paid them $3,500 for the hoax and gave them lines to yell, including about “MAGA country,” an apparent reference to then-President Donald Trump’s “Make America Great Again” slogan.
The report made headlines around the world and prompted a massive manhunt in Chicago, with roughly two dozen police joining the investigation.
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During Smollett’s trial, two brothers testified that Smollett paid them $3,500 for the hoax and gave them lines to yell, including about “MAGA country,” an apparent reference to then-President Donald Trump’s “Make America Great Again” slogan.
Okay, this is gonna end up being a HULU mini-series someday. The scene where Smollet pitches the plan to the brothers is going to be comedy gold.
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Declassified documents reveal CIA has been sweeping up information on Americans
And, in other news, water is wet.
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In this weeks installment of “Kanye West is an insane douchebag”; Cuntye Wank won’t play Coachella unless Billie Eilish apologises to Travis Scott [for something she didn’t do]
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He really needs to be on his meds and get help.
Shutting the fuck up and disappearing from the public eye would be enough for me. I’m not going to pretend I care about his health. Fuck him.
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Looks like Prince Definitely-Not-A-Paedo Andrew has wriggled out of having to face court by settling his sexual assault allegations.
Still, feels pretty unlikely he’ll ever shake the association.
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He won’t but I always said this would be settled and those imagining a great reckoning for Andrew would be disappointed. The worst case scenario he could have faced in a civil case as a non US citizen would be a fine he could legally ignore and never pay. It would be a huge reputational hit but not much more.
I’m not happy about that but it was a hard case to prove, they had photographic evidence of them meeting only in the UK where unless he’d solicited it sex with a 17 year old isn’t a crime. A settlement will be spun as Guiffre was motivated by money (as Michael Jackson defenders claimed). I don’t believe that at all, I think she was trafficked to him for sex by Epstein and Maxwell. As is always a problem with sexual assault cases so much ends up as one word against the other if you don’t have forensic evidence. This was the best they could expect.
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Looks like Prince Definitely-Not-A-Paedo Andrew has wriggled out of having to face court by settling his sexual assault allegations.
Still, feels pretty unlikely he’ll ever shake the association.
There is too much out there for this to fade away. Andrew is always going to be known as a pedophile and will always be associated with Epstein and all of that darkness.
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I’m not happy about that but it was a hard case to prove, they had photographic evidence of them meeting only in the UK where unless he’d solicited it sex with a 17 year old isn’t a crime.
Even in the United States, the age of consent in most states is 17 years old or younger. The reasoning is that 18 and 19 years olds are often going to be involved with 16 and 17 year olds, so it doesn’t make sense to charge an 18 year old kid for having sex with a 17 year old which will be far more common than a 40 year old and a 17 year old.
For example…
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so it doesn’t make sense to charge an 18 year old kid for having sex with a 17 year old which will be far more common than a 40 year old and a 17 year old.
For example…
Yeah, tig ol’ bitties tend to make some forget about age differences.
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tig ol’ bitties
They’re not that old.
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This is nothing new about the police and it definitely doesn’t change my mind about them. (See the old NWA song)
I know it is racism, but it also can be tribalism.
The cops took sides with the white kid because he is a member.
They didn’t take sides on right and wrong.I see the variations of this all over…
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Age of consent is 16 here, but I don’t think say a 16 year old would be in serious legal trouble for having sex with a 14 year old. It’s only when the age difference is larger that the rules are enforced.
Yeah it mostly the same in the UK. I knew a guy called Kevin who was 17 and got his 15 year old girlfriend pregnant. Technically you’ll never get more solid proof of a crime but equally it probably doesn’t serve anyone much prosecuting it. It wouldn’t really help either of them.
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“tig old bitties”
😂
There are accounts of girls hitting puberty at 15 and after developing the well endowment, getting the wrong attention male classmates as well from older men like school teachers, guys in the street, even a father, stepfather or a distant uncle who visits during the holidays.
Now Seinfeld got in the act years ago.
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I used to think that a “pedophile” is someone who goes for little kids younger than teen age.
Now, some have called for that definition to be expanded upon.To some, Seinfeld is a pedophile for going for this one in the picture who was still in her teens.
Hefner would be something of a pedophile in his going for the 20 somethings in his time.
Personally, I see him as a dirty old man who pimped out those women to his friends who saw Hefner as a “pimp” in his own way.A lot of those terms are being expanded on. “Predator” now applies to someone who grooms/brainwashes a teen even patiently waiting until the legal age of consent for consummation. Guys like R. Kelly, Ted Nugent…
It also applies to getting the name to look them up on Google and Facebook, stalking to find out where they live. Now some secretly slip the Apple AirTag on the woman to keep track of where they are… -
I used to think that a “pedophile” is someone who goes for little kids younger than teen age. Now, some have called for that definition to be expanded upon.
I’d rather not really.
It seems a trend in language to lose nuance and try and create catch-all terms. I don’t like the fact that sexist has been replaced by misogynist so you leap immediately to hatred of all women.
Maybe it seems like condoning immoral or illegal behaviour to some, I don’t think it is, but I think there is a difference between someone who is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children and someone attracted to an adult much younger than them.
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The trend these days is to expand on some wording and definitions in order to shed more light and attention on issues not fully addressed.
People mean well when they try it…
How would you define Hugh Hefner and Seinfeld then?
This is interesting because it was AOC who shed light in Congress that white supremacist groups in the US are not labeled terrorists. The word is only applied to nonwhites, like Muslim extremists.
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I see now that you want to get into the etymology of the word for its “official” use.
That is Ok but….
The dictionary for the most part gives the general usage of words. The meanings however, are really defined by the people conversing. For example, in bars and clubs some general and innocent words are used as sexual innuendo and very far from what is said in the dictionary.
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This is interesting because it was AOC who shed light in Congress that white supremacist groups in the US are not labeled terrorists. The word is only applied to nonwhites, like Muslim extremists.
I think that’s an entirely different scenario though. I agree with AOC but she’s complaining about the same actions being branded differently depending on who carries them out. The white guy with an extreme ideology that shoots up a school is ‘troubled’ while a middle eastern guy with an extreme ideology that does exactly the same thing is a terrorist.
The ‘paed’ (or ped for the US) in that term is the Latin for ‘child’. By our current definitions nobody over 18 is a child. I know nothing about Seinfeld’s love life but Hefner’s ‘bunnies’ were, at least in recent times, all required to be adults. That doesn’t place him above reproach, from what I have read of later days in the Playboy mansion he wasn’t far from a pimp, offering a level of fame and luxury on the promise of sex.
I don’t think it is helpful though to brand him a paedophile. If we’re honest there is not a point any straight man stops being attracted to beautiful young women, there isn’t really whatever your orientation, I see gay friends ‘thirsty’ for some youngster in a boy band or women in their 60s paying to see male strippers a third of their age. What does come into play is whether that would become a relationship and whether that would be exploitative or unhealthy. If I in my late 40s had a relationship with an 18 year old (or younger in areas where 16 or 17 is age of consent) you’d have to question whether you were taking advantage of emotional immaturity, you wouldn’t really if I were dating a 30 year old. There’s a gap there but she’s old enough to know her mind.
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The dictionary for the most part gives the general usage of words. The meanings however, are really defined by the people conversing.
Sure but that’s not where I am coming from, in being a linguistic pedant. My issue is whether a broad brush is at all useful for society.
Say in your example Al, you’ve been picked up for the odd old fashioned view on women and relationships and sometime come around on it. By branding that view ‘misogynist’ rather than ‘ a bit sexist’ I would have lumped you into a category that to me is irredeemable, an inherent hatred of all women.
By branding anyone dating with an age gap a paedophile I think you can’t get to a point where anyone can reflect and reason. I’d recommend the work of Jon Ronson who has looked at public shaming and the culture wars and how we are in many ways being manipulated to take immutable sides where discussion breaks down. Ronson is a soppy liberal like me, he’s not defending bigots in any way but rather analysing the way forces seek to divide and conquer.
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How would you define Hugh Hefner and Seinfeld then?
For me age is consent is the big thing, if both partners have reached the age of consent I don’t mind age differences in relationships as long as there is no abusive situation. I don’t think Hugh Hefner is accused of having sex with any underage girls. Hefner may have been abusive in other ways, but he is not a child abuser.
The Seinfeld thing I don’t know, but 17 is over the age of consent in most places.
According to the clinical definition pedophilia is an attraction to prepubescent children. That is not a 17 year old girl, more like a 10 year old.
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I think there is a danger of being too prescriptive with this stuff in general, as all relationships are different.
Provided that there aren’t any issues around legality and consent (ie. everybody is an adult in the situation) then I don’t think there are any hard rules around what is and isn’t acceptable.
I’ve known people in relationships with 15 or 20 year age gaps where the relationship is perfectly balanced and functional. I’ve known people in relationships who are roughly the same age where it isn’t functional at all.
Yes, as a rule of thumb I think very large age gaps are always a little eyebrow-raising (say, an 80-year-old marrying a 20-year-old) and I think we do have to be alert to very young and/or inexperienced people being taken advantage of by someone older, especially if it’s being done in a cynical or predatory way.
But by and large I think it’s not really anybody’s business if two consenting adults are happy in a relationship, even if there are a few years between them.
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How would you define Hugh Hefner and Seinfeld then?
For me age is consent is the big thing, if both partners have reached the age of consent I don’t mind age differences in relationships as long as there is no abusive situation. I don’t think Hugh Hefner is accused of having sex with any underage girls. Hefner may have been abusive in other ways, but he is not a child abuser.
The Seinfeld thing I don’t know, but 17 is over the age of consent in most places.
According to the clinical definition pedophilia is an attraction to prepubescent children. That is not a 17 year old girl, more like a 10 year old.
Christel and I are watching a documentary series called Secrets of Playboy that is looking in-depth at Hefner and the Playboy empire.
From what I’ve seen so far there may have been a few times where he was with someone below the age of consent. For the most part, the women were typically late teens/early 20s.
What he did do was manipulate, drug, and groom them to be his little sex dolls, whom he would share with his friends. He treated them worse than cattle.
Hefner may not have been a pedophile but he absolutely was a sexual predator.
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Jean-Luc Brunel: Jeffrey Epstein associate is found dead in French prison | World News
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Well what a surprise:
Surprise! Study shows Ivermectin makes suffering from COVID worse
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Horatio Sanz Accuser Speaks Out About Abuse In Front of ‘SNL’ Cast – Rolling Stone
“Horatio certainly is the main character here, but he didn’t abuse me in a vacuum; he abused me all over Saturday Night Live,” Doe said.
These accusations appear credible which is the difficulty here. I can see how the entertainment industry can promote bad behavior. Paul Shrader once said, “Hollywood doesn’t turn people bad. People come here so they can be bad.” It’s an inherently exploitative environment that attracts bad people to leadership positions. A minority of the entire business, but like in Churches and schools, it is a place where the institutions will protect abuse and abusers rather than address it and risk lawsuits and bad press.
Nevertheless, I imagine this will end in settlements and NDA’s rather than revelations and prosecutions.
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So what else is new?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/wright-family-activists-see-injustice-174748094.html
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The fact that this bitch is smiling in her mugshot…
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Now the news is saying Biden wants a meeting with Putin. Wonder how far apart they will sit.
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So it seems World War III has slowly begun. Finally something happening, it’s been a quiet year.
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Honestly I feel sorry for Biden. A man his age shouldn’t have to deal with this shit.
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So it seems World War III has slowly begun. Finally something happening, it’s been a quiet year.
Yes – or more like Cold War 2.1. I half suspect there are a bunch of military contractors and hawkish think tanks in D.C. opening the champagne right now.
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I half suspect there are a bunch of military contractors and hawkish think tanks in D.C. opening the champagne right now.
John Bolton is probably coked out of his mind, dancing around to Ride Of The Valkyries wearing nothing but underwear and ammo belts.
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Honestly, Biden does seem a little weak in all this despite how much it is in American interests for Russia to invade.
Still, I wouldn’t want to see the US military or NATO actually get involved in any substantial way, so sanctions is as close to doing nothing as we can hope for.
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So it seems World War III has slowly begun. Finally something happening, it’s been a quiet year.
The ratings for the COVID-19 series are dropping fast. As everyone is doing reboots and relaunches, they’re dusting off the old US vs. Russia show as viewers always liked it. I’m not sure this reboot is going to be the same level of quality. The whole thing smacks of desperation and feels rushed. I’m not sure it will make it past the first season.
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The whole thing smacks of desperation and feels rushed.
Besides, it’s just a requel. I hope they give the audience what was hinted at in the old series.
Nukes.
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Yuri Bezmenov was right, but the left wing “useful idiots” now include right wingers who think the Russians are the good guys.
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Yuri Bezmenov was right, but the left wing “useful idiots” now include right wingers who think the Russians are the good guys.
The problem, as always, is that people only apply this kind of thinking to those they disagree with and never examine their own beliefs. So those “useful idiots” you are talking about have rejected the western narrative on the situation because they have rejected western mass media. That pushes them into the Russian counter-narrative which they accept as true because it opposes what they themselves blindly oppose.
When you do apply this thinking equally, the most reasonable conclusion is to accept that everything we know about the situation is at least partly propaganda. The thing about propaganda though is that it’s only effective if people accept it at face value. If we take a few moments to check if what is being said is true, it all falls apart. And that checking is easier now than it has ever been.
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Yep. I understand not trusting the Western narrative but then going on RT and believing everything Putin says is insane.
What I’m not sure about it how much Russians believe what their media is telling them right now. I think many don’t really trust it but they just go along with the narrative because they don’t want to get in trouble with the state. (A direction we seem to be going in in Western countries too, I’m afraid)
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There’s been a lot of hand-wringing and gnashing of teeth locally about our Covid response, but facts is facts.
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Russia doesn’t need to have their population support their actions, the just need to have enough of the population support it that it appears that way. That doesn’t take very much at all, just interview a few hundred people and have them declare their support and it feels like that is the dominant opinion because it is too many for us to process.
Sometimes it doesn’t even take that. Like in the lead up to the Gulf War the US used the Nayirah testimony to justify action. This was a heart wrenching testimony of a 15 year old girl which was corroborated by Amnesty International and was cited frequently as rational for supporting the military actions. Later it was revealed that Nayirah was the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the US and the testimony had been faked. One testimony from one teenager was enough to manufacture consent for a war. It was even worse after 9/11, but the US was in shock at the time which made it easy to just have a vague accusation of WMDs in Iraq and use that as an excuse to invade.
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Ina weird way what Russia is doing mirrors the US propaganda before the Iraq war, a few days ago the military minister Shoygu said Americans had placed chemical weapons in cities in Ukraine to be used against Russia.
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I won’t get into a tirade of how no one knows where anything is but…My geography is way off, so I intend to get a map of the area in the news regarding this invasion, where Ukraine is. where other countries like Poland are in relation to this invasion. etc.
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The three other officers who stood idly by in the Floyd case are in court.
I don’t want this to be an exercise in psychology, but it sort of reminds of that incident in the 60’s of a woman who died screaming in this alleyway from sexual assault and stabbing in NY and her neighbors heard it all and no one even called the police.
Years before Floyd, in Buffalo a black woman cop stopped her white partner from kneeling on a suspects neck and she was fined and fired for it. After Floyd, she won her own appeal and got her status, back pay, etc. and full restoration as an officer.
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Yep. I understand not trusting the Western narrative but then going on RT and believing everything Putin says is insane.
Unfortunately it is part of the divide and conquer strategy.
I have an old work colleague on Facebook who has gone down a bit of a conspiracy rabbit hole and often posts memes about not following the mainstream and doing your own research but what’s notable is that she and her follow ‘free thinkers’ are all subscribing to a package of beliefs.
They are all anti-vax but also government paedo rings, Qanon and flat Earth and whatever else forms the alternative set.
In fact just to check I called up her timeline (I normally have her muted) and there you go, second meme down she’s supporting Putin now.
She has a meme on Covid vaccines causing young footballers to drop dead. This is not that uncommon a thing with undiagnosed heart problems, in fact it happened to one guy we both worked with in his early 30s, it happened to Fabrice Muamba in an EPL game and the son of Welsh footballer Terry Yorath. So if you were really ‘doing your own research’ you’d first want to check if that number has increased since the vaccine was ruled out but no she just posts as fact.
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“I don’t want this to be an exercise in psychology, but it sort of reminds of that incident in the 60’s of a woman who died screaming in this alleyway from sexual assault and stabbing in NY and her neighbors heard it all and no one even called the police.”
Fortunately, that is mostly a myth based on a wildly exaggerated article in The New York Times. There were not that many people who saw the actual attack, and some of them did call the police.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese
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In fact just to check I called up her timeline (I normally have her muted) and there you go, second meme down she’s supporting Putin now.
That’s just sad…if you’re not aware by now that Putin is a bad guy, you’re really far gone.
I went down a bit of a conspiracy rabbit hole myself the last few years, especially with corona, but in the end I always say I just don’t know. Yeah there may be some kind of conspiracy in some of these matters, or it may be bullshit.
I do agree Russia has had a lot to do with some of the conspiracy stuff. Somehow they have right wingers believing Russia is the cool, contrarian, trad alternative to the “modern hell” the West has become. It’s similar to the trick they played with left wingers in the 70s. Don’t like the Vietnam war? Then you will love the Soviet Union!
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I won’t get into a tirade of how no one knows where anything is but…My geography is way off
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