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Star Wars Thread: Episode II
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My big concern is that series 2 is apparently the most expensive TV show ever, and that much money usually comes with a lot of suits who want to sand off the rough edges, massage out the overt messaging, add four-quadrant appeal. And Andor’s greatness largely comes from the uncompromising political stance of the show. Even if you aren’t tuned into the influences like the Tiflis bank robbery on the Aldhani heist, or Ferrix being based on Belfast in the Troubles and British mining towns during the strikes, those influences and the way they’re expressed in the show are a huge part of what made it great.
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Reason for optimism: All of those things are foreign stuff, the execs only know of stuff in the US.
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My big concern is that series 2 is apparently the most expensive TV show ever, and that much money usually comes with a lot of suits who want to sand off the rough edges, massage out the overt messaging, add four-quadrant appeal. And Andor’s greatness largely comes from the uncompromising political stance of the show.
Wow, they put that much money into Andor 2? Huh.
Well, they’d be fucking idiots if they didn’t realise what made the first season so successful. And while there is a good chance that they are indeed idiots, the quotes they’re using in the trailer seems to indicate that they’re well aware that Andor is a different beast from other Star Wars shows, at least.
I think it’s also likely that Tony Gilroy made sure he’s got final say on everything. Or at least I assume that’s how season 1 got to be what it was in the first place.
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There are rumors that Kathleen Kennedy will step down at the end of the year.
Lucasfilm Boss Kathleen Kennedy Expected to Retire This Year
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There are rumors that Kathleen Kennedy will step down at the end of the year.
Lucasfilm Boss Kathleen Kennedy Expected to Retire This Year
I’m curious to see who they get to replace her.
Her tenure I don’t believe has had an overall positive reception. Whoever comes in next will have a lot of work to do, and it will take some time for those results to actually show.
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The sequels got mixed critical receptions – they loved TLJ, the other two? Not so much – and brought in $4bn.
She also diversified SW as, along with the TV, there was more animation, including the Visions, as well as multimedia projects like The High Republic. Also had some good Star Wars games which no one expected.
The problems are on the film side in announcing too many films, too early, which then fall apart. If they can nail it, a Rey / new Jedi order film could work well.
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I should have been obvious that it was a monumentally stupid idea to start a new trilogy of Star Wars movies not only without any plan or roadmap, but with two different writer/directors who instead of building on each others ideas contradicted them or retconned them. And I assume KK is to blame for that.
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I’m curious to see who they get to replace her.
Is Kevin Feige ready to give up on the MCU yet?
Ah, okay, he actually is one of the names being thrown around.
W”One reason Kathy stuck around for so long is because there is no credible alternative,” a source familiar with the situation told The Hollywood Reporter. Disney reportedly has a few replacements in mind, with Jon Favreau, Dave Filoni, and Kevin Feige mentioned as the top contenders.
Man, I hope it’s not Filoni. His Star Wars TV stuff has been a big part of the problem.
The funny thing is Kennedy leaving will just prove that the problems with modern Star Wars are nothing to do with her as an individual because the problems will still go on.
Possibly, but, I mean, it’s always about deciding which projects to go with and who to put in charge as showrunners. It’s not like it wouldn’t be possible to create truly great Star Wars content if the people at the top had the guts to do it. (See also: Andor.)
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Jon Favreau was the first person I thought as a potential replacement. If it is him, I could see Filoni become his Number Two.
That’s kinda my worry though. Those two and the Filoniverse they’ve been building in the TV section, that’s been a huge failure for me. Mandalorian started out good, but turned pretty awful, and Boba Fett and Ahsoka were pretty bad from the get-go. If this is the future of Star Wars, the franchise is in trouble.
So basically I’m hoping they get someone from outside. Or, you know, just hand the whole thing to Waititi ;)
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The idea that you need a plan or roadmap before you start a trilogy is nonsense. Not to mention that the only Star Wars trilogy that had a plan and roadmap was the prequels, and they’re objectively worse than the sequels.
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The point is that even if she’s not a creative, she’s still running the whole show and has to take responsibility for how it all turned out.
And even if you think you don’t necessarily need a plan or roadmap from the start, you do need to avoid bad decisions along the way if you’re going to adopt a seat-of-your-pants approach. The sequel trilogy did not turn out well, and it is remarkable (given the scale of Disney’s investment in Star Wars and the significance that the sequel trilogy had for the franchise) that they decided to just muddle through and make it up as they went along, and hope it all hung together in the end, which it didn’t.
KK was in charge of all of that, even is she wasn’t directly involved in the creative aspects.
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And there’s more good than people want to give her credit for.
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You can go without a plan if you fit the pieces seamlessly together, to the degree that it looks like it was all planned.
Problem is the sequels didn’t do that either.
Like it or loathe it, film is the highest profile strand of SW. And films with the OT trio even more so. That all casts a long shadow. Has to be said that, with current events in the world, the sequels certainly called it, as did the prequels.
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If they’d followed through on Kylo being an utter bastard to the end, with Rey feeding him to a woodchipper, I may have been more forgiving to TLJ.
As it is, ROS is the Ian McDarmuid Show, with back-up from Richard E Grant. And on those grounds? It works.
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If they’d followed through on Kylo being an utter bastard to the end,
Yeah, redoing the redemption arc was one of the biggest mistakes of the movie
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The idea that you need a plan or roadmap before you start a trilogy is nonsense. Not to mention that the only Star Wars trilogy that had a plan and roadmap was the prequels, and they’re objectively worse than the sequels.
You don’t NEED a roadmap, but it would have been a good idea. You definitely need directors who try to tell the same story and not turn it into the argument sketch.
– Kylo Ren wears a helmet!
– No, he doesn’t!
– Yes, he does!– There is big bad force user in charge!
– No, there isn’t!
– Yes, there is!– Rey’s lineage is important!
– No, it isn’t!
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Sure, but honestly, most new Star Wars is mediocre to pretty bad. And while she isn’t a creative herself, she’s the one who decides which creative gets to do what with the franchise.
And Indiana Jones and Willow. Those have gone well, right?
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Andor will release three episodes a week for four weeks: http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch/andor/listings/
Each block of episodes has a different writer, and they’ve said there’s a one-year time-jump after each block.
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I really like the sound of that structure.
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