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Star Wars Thread: Episode II
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The Star Wars Sausage Collection Has Arrived on Disney+.
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George really did want this classic Daffy Duck cartoon shown before every screening of #SW. It would've been an icebreaker to let the audience know what was coming was less than dead serious. I was disappointed when we couldn't get the rights to it & it didn't happen. #TrueStory https://t.co/5VcGKH1yxf
— Mark Hamill (@HamillHimself) April 5, 2021
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Dave Bautista As Darth VaderAhaha, yeah, okay, might as well stop reading now. I don’t think there could be a worse choice than-
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Timothée Chalamet As HanAh, okay, yeah, so there can be. Huh.
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Timothée Chalamet As Han
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No fucking way. He is way too wimpy and doesn’t have the charisma for the role.
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Obviously. Look at how they describe him though:
Timothée Chalamet would fit the bill for the charming, roguish space pirate.
Like, what the fuck? He’s great for Paul Atreides because Paul is a miserable little prick, really. Charming and roguish my ass.
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Phase II of the High Republic has been announced.
Along with more info on announced titles, it adds audio production and manga to the mediums being used.
It is also moving characters that turned up in one earlier story into these new ones, which is a rather neat bit of coordination.
They’re also clustering each phase around a central event. This has allowed them to actually offer pieces but without requiring they all be purchased. It’s a rather elegant solution.
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I would love to see him direct a live action superhero movie.
He storyboarded the action scenes in Iron Man 2, one of the only good things in that movie:
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‘Star Wars: The Bad Batch’ Premiere Episode: [Spoiler] From ‘Rebels’ Makes A Cameo
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The bad batch was the first good new start wars show since Rebels.
Lots of fun and I’m enjoying the transition from the Republic to the Empire.
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I did not watch Clone wars because of Anakin
This is a misguided choice, he’s great in the Clone Wars. He’s a compelling character
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You’d hope the Empire at least had a good pension scheme in place.
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Both those things are terrible and products of a marketing machine… so no winners there.
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Leave Noel Clarke out of this.
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You can if you want to!
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Maybe it is time for @garjones to start that cultural appropriation thread after all.
Shame on Star Wars for stealing from old Clint Eastwood movies…😂
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The Bad Batch’s 2-part season finale was pretty damn excellent.
Looking forward to whenever season 2 airs.
The other thing I like greatly that it did not do is the last 5-10 minutes instant cliffhanger that plagues so many series.
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It’s generally a fun 25 minute kids cartoon, but the finale does some rather more intetesting stuff. There’s some neat links to Clone Wars and Mando too.
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https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/thandiwe-newton-interview-reminiscence-star-wars-westworld
ON SOLO AND HOW STAR WARS FAILED ITS FIRST WOMAN-OF-COLOR PROTAGONIST
I felt disappointed by Star Wars that my character was killed. And, actually, in the script, she wasn’t killed. It happened during filming. And it was much more just to do with the time we had to do the scenes. It’s much easier just to have me die than it is to have me fall into a vacuum of space so I can come back sometime.
That’s what it originally was: that the explosion and she falls out and you don’t know where she’s gone. So I could have come back at some point. But when we came to filming, as far as I was concerned and was aware when it came to filming that scene, it was too huge a set-piece to create, so they just had me blow up and I’m done. But I remembered at the time thinking, “This is a big, big mistake” — not because of me, not because I wanted to come back. You don’t kill off the first Black woman to ever have a real role in a Star Wars movie. Like, are you fucking joking?
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3 days ago: News just in, one of the greatest Star Wars games will be remade for PC and PS5 – Knights of the Old Republic.
Immediate SW Fans response: Is it canon?
…. Well, shit.
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Jedi: Fallen Order is, as is Squadrons, but both are fixed narratives, not a player character created, branching storyline in the way KotOR is.
Three days on from the announcement and discussion around it is akin to a pile of body parts after a cluster bomb explosion.
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Unless it’s changed under Disney, Star Wars games were never canon.
Before the Disney buyout, the video games (at least the stories/scenarios behind them, not the actual game mechanics) were considered to be low-level canon, behind the movies, tv series, novels, and comic books. I think the original order went: Movies/TV series/90s Books & Comics/LucasArts Games/Everything Else (Marvel comic, holiday special, Han Solo and Lando novels, Droids and Ewoks cartoons). All stories remained canon until something higher up in the chain contradicted it.
Under Disney, the plan seems to have been to have a “Story Group” oversee everything and make sure it all fit together, which would put everything Disney released under the Star Wars banner on the same level of canon. Presumably, video games would have been included as well.
But now it seems like they’re in the process of transitioning to just flinging shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.
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Unless it’s changed under Disney, Star Wars games were never canon.
Before the Disney buyout, the video games (at least the stories/scenarios behind them, not the actual game mechanics) were considered to be low-level canon, behind the movies, tv series, novels, and comic books. I think the original order went: Movies/TV series/90s Books & Comics/LucasArts Games/Everything Else (Marvel comic, holiday special, Han Solo and Lando novels, Droids and Ewoks cartoons). All stories remained canon until something higher up in the chain contradicted it.
Under Disney, the plan seems to have been to have a “Story Group” oversee everything and make sure it all fit together, which would put everything Disney released under the Star Wars banner on the same level of canon. Presumably, video games would have been included as well.
But now it seems like they’re in the process of transitioning to just flinging shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.
The whole “lower-level canon” thing was basically a sop to stupid fans who needed to feel like the tie-in media counted. Even Shadows of the Empire, which was billed as a major multimedia event and had a ship show up in the special Eedition of Star Wars turned out to not matter. They were ‘canon’ in as much as they were authorised by Lucasfilm, but anyone who thought that the movies were going to use them as anything other than a stripmine for ideas was fooling themselves.
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But now it seems like they’re in the process of transitioning to just flinging shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.
A virtually imperceptible transition.
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“flinging shit at the wall and seeing what sticks”
I feel like this should be a quote for the back of the Rise of Skywalker blu-ray.
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Disney have mined the older material. It’s fair to say they have done more for TV use than films, but there’s a clear Dark Empire influence on Rise of Skywalker.
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Diego Luna Says ‘Star Wars: Andor’ Has Finished Shooting, And To Expect “Familiar Faces”
Familiar Faces… FF….
Fantastic Four confirmed.
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That’s no moon
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Diego Luna … moon. The Watcher and therefore Surfer/Galactus confirmed!
This sort of reads like part of a Nostradamus quatrain.
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I mean I’ll watch it, but there’s no way it’s going to be good, is there?
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Meh… I’m not sure I’m all that interested in old man Boba Fatt… maybe they should’ve gone in another direction with him.
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I’m sorry but Robot Chicken absolutely ruined Boba Fett for me. Their version is the one I want.
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I mean I’ll watch it, but there’s no way it’s going to be good, is there?
Loudmouths on the Internet scweamed until they were sick the last time someone tried to do something different with Star War, and now all we’re gonna get is the toy you had when you were a kid smashed into the toy you wished you had as a kid, until it stops being profitable.
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now all we’re gonna get is the toy you had when you were a kid smashed into the toy you wished you had as a kid, until it stops being profitable.
Well, the MCU has been pretty successful after all.
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now all we’re gonna get is the toy you had when you were a kid smashed into the toy you wished you had as a kid, until it stops being profitable.
Well, the MCU has been pretty successful after all.
Yeah, and that’s absolutely the model for Star Wars that they’re pivoting to. I fully expect the Boba Fett TV show to be at least 50% ads for upcoming Star Wars TV shows and movies by volume.
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It’s interesting because I think that for all the talk of “subverting expectations” that surrounds The Last Jedi, I actually think the real problem that a lot of fandom had with the film is that it has a central message about how holding on to the past and eulogising it to the point that it becomes untouchable (in the sense of it being impossible to question and interrogate and improve upon) can be harmful.
The film’s approach to Luke ties in with that and so does all the stuff around the “sacred texts” and the tree that is burned, as well as the way the film deals with Snoke and Rey’s heritage. It’s all about making the point that sometimes hanging on to these things can stop you from moving on and changing and becoming something different and new, in a way that’s healthy and necessary.
(Who knows why some Star Wars fans would find that a difficult message to embrace?)
And it feels like the brand has now turned its back on that to an extent and embraced the nostalgic, backwards-looking approach.
I think the danger there is that you’re playing to an ever-shrinking core audience, and you can’t just trade on nostalgia forever as there will come a point where nobody is alive to care.
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Yeah, exactly. Last Jedi is a deconstruction of a lot of space opera tropes – Snoke is unimportant, Kylo has no interest in being redeemed and Rey comes to recognise that, Poe’s maverick heroics make everything worse, Finn and Rose learn that the galaxy is a cynical place and so on. And like, I get why a lot of Star Wars fans wouldn’t like that because it’s incongruous and it’s poking holes in everyone’s favourite space wizard movies. But in a critical theory way as opposed to a Cinema Sins way.
I think the subverting expectations thing is part that deconstruction, and it’s an easy thing to latch onto as a talking point instead of going deeper into stuff like the commentary on slavish adherence to the original trilogy and the EU.
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Yeah, definitely.
I will say though that I think Mandalorian navigated a decent line between links to the past and doing something new. I’ve seen a lot of younger fans getting into Star Wars as a whole through Mandalorian, to the extent that the character is often used as the face of the entire franchise in wider branding efforts now.
I think there’s a danger that the stronger links to the past that we saw in season two end up turning it into a Star Wars Cameo Of The Week type deal – but maybe having Boba Fett’s side-story housed in a separate series will allow the show to move forward with offering something different in its third season.
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Loudmouths on the Internet scweamed until they were sick the last time someone tried to do something different with Star War, and now all we’re gonna get is the toy you had when you were a kid smashed into the toy you wished you had as a kid, until it stops being profitable.
That might mean something if it didn’t come from a middle-aged guy who still pays with Transformers.
The difference is I’m not shitting all over the internet when they don’t release a toy of a character I like. And if I don’t like the fiction I just don’t read/watch it, and decline to send death threats to actors.
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So, no one else has watched Visions then?
Damn, y’all are missing out.
For myself there were more misses than hits but when it hit?
Oh, it hit! It very palpably hit!
My top three? The Duel, The Ninth Jedi, The Elder.
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It’s interesting because I think that for all the talk of “subverting expectations” that surrounds The Last Jedi, I actually think the real problem that a lot of fandom had with the film is that it has a central message about how holding on to the past and eulogising it to the point that it becomes untouchable (in the sense of it being impossible to question and interrogate and improve upon) can be harmful.
The film’s approach to Luke ties in with that and so does all the stuff around the “sacred texts” and the tree that is burned, as well as the way the film deals with Snoke and Rey’s heritage. It’s all about making the point that sometimes hanging on to these things can stop you from moving on and changing and becoming something different and new, in a way that’s healthy and necessary.
Well, you know, except for the fact that they reversed course in the Last Jedi itself, so in the end they didn’t subvert anything at all, which made the whole thing absolutely pointless and it all ended up feeling like just a bad take… now… if they had followed through with any of that… but they didn’t…
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Reversed course on which elements? I didn’t really feel like The Last Jedi destroyed its own message, it was mostly Rise Of Skywalker that undid what it tried to do for Star Wars.
A lot of the more visceral anger at what The Last Jedi did feels a little like that infamous Harry Knowles review of Toy Story 3 where he goes on a massive rant about why Andy shouldn’t have given Woody away, seemingly oblivious to the message the film is trying to convey. The kind of reaction that tells you more about the person and their relationship with Star Wars than about the film itself.
(I don’t mean that entirely negatively, just that I think the fans who were most attached to Star Wars as a formative part of their childhood inevitably had a stronger reaction against the idea that some aspects of the mythology needed to be rexamined and questioned.)
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Loudmouths on the Internet scweamed until they were sick the last time someone tried to do something different with Star War, and now all we’re gonna get is the toy you had when you were a kid smashed into the toy you wished you had as a kid, until it stops being profitable.
That might mean something if it didn’t come from a middle-aged guy who still pays with Transformers.
The difference is I’m not shitting all over the internet when they don’t release a toy of a character I like. And if I don’t like the fiction I just don’t read/watch it, and decline to send death threats to actors.
Just remember to respect the restraining orders Peter Cullen and Frank Welker have against you. Show your appreciation from a distance and with all of your clothes on.
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Loudmouths on the Internet scweamed until they were sick the last time someone tried to do something different with Star War, and now all we’re gonna get is the toy you had when you were a kid smashed into the toy you wished you had as a kid, until it stops being profitable.
That might mean something if it didn’t come from a middle-aged guy who still pays with Transformers.
The difference is I’m not shitting all over the internet when they don’t release a toy of a character I like. And if I don’t like the fiction I just don’t read/watch it, and decline to send death threats to actors.
Just remember to respect the restraining orders Peter Cullen and Frank Welker have against you. Show your appreciation from a distance and with all of your clothes on.
This is a foul slander.
First of all it was Dan Gilzevan and Neil Ross. And further more, don’t tell me what to do! I didn’t lose a war or anything!
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Loudmouths on the Internet scweamed until they were sick the last time someone tried to do something different with Star War, and now all we’re gonna get is the toy you had when you were a kid smashed into the toy you wished you had as a kid, until it stops being profitable.
That might mean something if it didn’t come from a middle-aged guy who still pays with Transformers.
The difference is I’m not shitting all over the internet when they don’t release a toy of a character I like. And if I don’t like the fiction I just don’t read/watch it, and decline to send death threats to actors.
Just remember to respect the restraining orders Peter Cullen and Frank Welker have against you. Show your appreciation from a distance and with all of your clothes on.
This is a foul slander.
First of all it was Dan Gilzevan and Neil Ross. And further more, don’t tell me what to do! I didn’t lose a war or anything!
Also, please stop leaving Starscream “tributes” every day on Chris Latta’s grave. It’s becoming an ordeal for the cemetary maintenance crews.
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Loudmouths on the Internet scweamed until they were sick the last time someone tried to do something different with Star War, and now all we’re gonna get is the toy you had when you were a kid smashed into the toy you wished you had as a kid, until it stops being profitable.
That might mean something if it didn’t come from a middle-aged guy who still pays with Transformers.
The difference is I’m not shitting all over the internet when they don’t release a toy of a character I like. And if I don’t like the fiction I just don’t read/watch it, and decline to send death threats to actors.
Just remember to respect the restraining orders Peter Cullen and Frank Welker have against you. Show your appreciation from a distance and with all of your clothes on.
This is a foul slander.
First of all it was Dan Gilzevan and Neil Ross. And further more, don’t tell me what to do! I didn’t lose a war or anything!
Also, please stop leaving Starscream “tributes” every day on Chris Latta’s grave. It’s becoming an ordeal for the cemetary maintenance crews.
What is this, Communist Texas?
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Loudmouths on the Internet scweamed until they were sick the last time someone tried to do something different with Star War, and now all we’re gonna get is the toy you had when you were a kid smashed into the toy you wished you had as a kid, until it stops being profitable.
That might mean something if it didn’t come from a middle-aged guy who still pays with Transformers.
The difference is I’m not shitting all over the internet when they don’t release a toy of a character I like. And if I don’t like the fiction I just don’t read/watch it, and decline to send death threats to actors.
Just remember to respect the restraining orders Peter Cullen and Frank Welker have against you. Show your appreciation from a distance and with all of your clothes on.
This is a foul slander.
First of all it was Dan Gilzevan and Neil Ross. And further more, don’t tell me what to do! I didn’t lose a war or anything!
Also, please stop leaving Starscream “tributes” every day on Chris Latta’s grave. It’s becoming an ordeal for the cemetary maintenance crews.
What is this, Communist Texas?
Considering what is currently going on here, I truly wish it was.
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Knives Out does much that Last Jedi does, but it all works better due to being a murder mystery and a load of characters that have no history with the audience.
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The problem was they went in without any plan for them. They should have had a least a basic blueprint for the trilogy. Some bullet points for each chapter that while the directors would be required to include, they would pretty much have the freedom to shot it to their individual style.
I disagree with this, the original trilogy didn’t have a plan, while the prequel trilogy did. That said…
Instead, we got a clusterfuck:
– Ep. 7: Abrams retreaded the original trilogy in the first movie. Management said “sure, whatever”.
– Ep. 8: Johnson did whatever the fuck he wanted. Management said “sure, whatever”.
– Ep. 9: Management said “OH FUCK!!!” after the “fans” shit themselves over Ep. 8. They waaay overcorrected and had Abrams turn it into a SW Greatest Hits album.This is largely correct IMO. The best storytelling yes “yes, and”, but rise of the Skywalker spent two hours saying “no, but” instead. You could absolutely have made a satisfying conclusion to the trilogy, but you needed to build on the events of last jedi instead of trying to paint over them.
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Problem there is TLJ pretty much set up Kylo as an irredeemable top dog bastard, no longer in the redeemable long shot position previously occupied by Vader, but that of the Emperor. And that guy has no interest or susceptibility to redemption by some wannabe Jedi.
It was one of TLJ’s most interesting aspects, but it had to go. Luke’s act on Crait igniting galactic rebellion? Nope, they have to stay as underdogs. Drone controlled Holdo hits all over the place? Well, that one did have to be put back in its box.
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I mean, not gonna lie, TLJ has some pretty good ideas, mainly the one where Kylo and Rey were about to flip the finger to both the empire and the rebellion and do their own thing, but again the movie undermines itself by back-pedaling all of those supposed “subversions” at the end…
But then again, it also has some really shitty writting… so the movie just doesn’t work. I doesn’t work as a sequel, it doesn’t work as the middle part in a trilogy, it doesn’t even work as a self-contained thing. This is one case where I have to agree with the sweaty fans because no matter how you look at it, it’s just a bad movie with some cool moments and (wasted) ideas.
That said, if TLJ is bad, the last one is fuckin garbage… so I guess there’s that… “The Last Jedi: At least it’s not Rise of Skywalker”…
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I disagree with this, the original trilogy didn’t have a plan, while the prequel trilogy did.
I’m not saying the Sequel Trilogy had to be planned to the Nth degree. I do think it would have benefited from having an overall story arc with each film hitting certain beats to support the larger story. While the MCU started more organically, I would say there is far more planning to keep everything moving in the same direction. As to the quality of the product, your mileage may vary. Nonetheless, it is a very successful system.
A plan may well have helped, I’m just saying it’s not necessary. At the same time, I don’t think the MCU is as planned out as people think. Like with Thanos they decided early on that an adaptation of Infinity Gauntlet was going to be a major event, and then figured out how to fit that into the other movies, mainly by making the McGuffins of various movies the Infinity Gems. But it wasn’t a case of meticulously plotting out how and why the gems will wind up in specific places and these characters will interact in that way. More planning than the sequels sure, but nothing on the scale of, say Babylon 5 or a well-crafted novel trilogy.
EDIT to add: It also occurred to me that in the planning stages of the sequels, Disney were selling these on being the unique vision of up and coming creators who had done something exciting in SF – Abrams with Lost and the Trek relaunch, Johnson with Looper, and Trevorrow with Jurassic World. Part of the whole not planning a trilogy out in advance thing was presumably part of the whole auteur’s vision thing they tried to do.
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True, although if you include those with a first movie that succeeded as proof of concept leading to a trilogy there are things like Back to the Future, the Matrix and Pirates of the Caribbean. For better or worse they at least had a plan for what came next.
Being designed from the ground-up as a trilogy should have given them an advantage when it came to having a plan from the very start. Otherwise why bother designating it as a trilogy? Just make a movie, tell a story, count the pennies, wait a couple of years, throw out another one and repeat ad nauseam.
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