Star Trek Thread: The Next Iteration

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Yup. Agree with that. Nothing amazing, but don’t hate it. Hopefully it will pick up.

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Episode 4? Damn it lived up to the early hype.  It’s a focus episode for Jay-Den, and reveals the Klingons suffered a near-extinction level event in The Burn – Qu’onoS is gone, as are the vast majority of their worlds, and most surviving Klingons live as nomads and refugees. An accident on a ship leaves the fate of Jay-Den’s family in question while the Federation attempts to offer the Klingons a new world – which they reject as charity.

It’s all a bit pat as this just happens to be happening as the kids are prepping for the Aron Satie memorial debate, and the subject is whether the Federation should help the Klingons and Jay-Den both insists that the subject be debated and he will debate the negative, and that the solution inevitably comes out of that debate, but you know, we’re watching a drama series centred on Starfleet Academy so of course it’s going to be central to the plots.

What makes this episode shine though is the portrayal of the Klingons, both Jay-Den’s attitudes in the present day, the pride of the surviving Klingons, and flashbacks to Jay-Den’s last days with his family. It’s incredibly thoughtful and it gets the Klingons on the fundamental level.  Well worth checking this episode out.

Also, Episode 1 is up on Prime for free right now

Also also, I realised this week that the Academy com badges are the same shape as the Athena.

 

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Yea, I enjoyed this episode. This is exactly what star trek is. If people can’t get over star fleet academy being a young adult show, because it’s set in a university, they’re being dicks.

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Thank you, Avery

 

I am going to have to rewatch episode 5 at least a couple of times to fully process how I feel about it.  It’s SAM’s turn for a focus episode and it’s shown from her unique perspective, with her narrating directly to the camera, text overlays that run the gamut from file excerpts through to hand-drawn doodles and many points inbetween.  It turns out that she’s an Emissary from her people to organics, and her first mission is to explain organics to her Makers (played by Chiwetel Ejiofor of all people) so they can determine if they’re going to be safe interacting with the broader galaxy… and they don’t have much time for how she’s been interacting thus far.  Like she’s taken up playing the theremin and they don’t understand what relevance music has to her mission.  After hearing about Ben Sisko and how he was an Emissary too, she decides to investigate and “solve” his fate, as he never returned from the Fire Caves at the end of DS9.  As she does this standard Academy shenans are happening again, the War College has to use some of Academy’s facilites as they’re still overrun with the talking plants from episode 3 leading to heated tempers – Darem tries to draw a line down the atrium with the idea they’ll all keep to their own sides, a la I love Lucy, and later get into a fight when they show up at the same bar; and Captain Ake attempts to help Commander Kelrec with an upcoming diplomatic dinner as a gesture of solidarity between the two institutions.

So I don’t know how I feel about Sisko never returning, as Avery Brooks was so proud of him being a black single father with a wholesome relationship at a time where there were so few role models in that position on TV in the 90s, and in more recent rewatches of DS9 it stuck out with me in a big way.  Doubly so when I rewatched What We Left Behind not too long ago and Cirroc Lofton talked about how Brooks literally treated him like a son, introducing him as a son alongside his own child! But other than that, the episode is an interesting exploration of religion and predestination with SAM questioning whether Sisko had free will at all given the non-linear nature of the Prophets and how they essentially created Sisko, but also a major love-letter to DS9 in general.  SAM finds a recording of an interview with Jake, for example and as a result we get a cameo from Cirroc Lofton (which has some ambiguous usage of tense around his experiences with his father), she visits a museum virtually with a selection of artifacts from his age, there’s a little kids’ storybook shown… And at the very end a recording of Avery Brooks reciting a poem plays right before the closing credits, which have the series 1-3 DS9 theme play over them.

The show’s sense of humour is still all over the place.  Some elements, like the commentary around Caleb and Tarima’s relationship is amusing, as is SAM getting drunk in the bar thanks to Caleb hacking her core code a little, but the sequence where Caleb first starts poking around is a bit too broad for my tastes as SAM’s colour changes, then her clothes, then she can hear music.  This is the first episode Tawny Newsome has a writing credit on, and you can see a chunk of the Lower Decks humour in here as well, like a moment where SAM mentions the elevated pheremone levels Caleb and Tarima have, and an Orion cadet leans in to sniff Caleb – clearly hopped up on ‘mones. Newsome also guests in the episode as an instructor who helps SAM on her quest to some degree.

So yeah, this is a good episode, maybe not as great as the hype suggested, and it sure made me feel things but I’m not sure if it was earned or if it was just that emotional load of seeing Cirroc Lofton as Jake, the Avery Brooks poem, the closing music and all that.  So without those oomph moments, will the epsiode shine brighter? I’ll find out in a day or two.

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Post from Tawny Newsome, who co-wrote the episode: https://www.instagram.com/p/DUa62lyjUTf/

It was my absolute honor to bring you a story about the Siskos. Trek has done a lot of looking back and celebrating its elders, lately. Benjamin Sisko’s absence from that never felt right. When I joined the Academy writers room I pretty much made it my mission to help fill that absence in any way I could.

Cirroc Lofton is my family, and he deserves an Emmy, a Pulitzer, an executive producer credit and a Ferrari for this episode. I won’t go into all the details of the love and labor he put into it on and off screen, but his contribution to this episode, and the franchise as a whole is immeasurable. There is no one better to serve as the caretaker and steward of the Siskos, and of Avery’s legacy.

Kerrice Brooks is my new favorite actor. She is such a beautiful person, and a welcome addition to this franchise I’ve loved since I was 10. More SAM more SAM more SAM, I say!

Kirsten Beyer was a ferocious partner to have for my first written episode. She protects Trek with her whole heart, and once she joined me in my fight to honor The Sisko she wrapped her arms around me and the story and protected the shit out of it. Our director Larry Teng brought his humor and love to it from day one, ushering us along with care.

Alex, Noga and Aaron Baiers moved Kendra Valley-sized mountains for this episode. Without them it wouldn’t be the tribute Kirsten or I wanted, or Avery deserved. I’m in y’all’s debt for that one, forever.

Avery Brooks didn’t just lend his voice. The minute we started down this path, we knew we couldn’t do it without Avery’s blessing. Cirroc kept him in the loop throughout the process to make sure he was happy with every step of this tribute. It wouldn’t have been right to do it otherwise. We all may have broken our NDA but I’d absolutely fucking do it again (allegedly, and/or this is satire, etc).

Second to last slide is Kerrice on the phone with Mr. Brooks. He called Cirroc one night after we wrapped and asked to speak to us. There’s too much to say about that call. But what I can tell you is Mr. Brooks is forever the best father figure in the galaxy. He congratulated us, encouraged us, and handed Kerrice the reins.

Other fun stuff iI’m proud of: we feature the first canonical drag queen (my sis @jackiecoxnyc) because our show gay as fuck and don’t you forget it. We also got someone thrown out a door “DJ Jazzy Jeff style”, we finished Anslem, and I got to make some of the biggest powerhouses in Trek do a fucked up alien seder.

Professor Illa was an honor. I hope I did her justice. Thank you Terry and Nicole for the template. Devouring hours of their beautiful work for the past 39 years made it easy to do mine. That said, the makeup took 5 1/2 hours and for that reason iono if she ever coming back, friends. 😂 Shouts to the prosthetic team who held my literal and emotional hands through the whole ride.

Last slide is me having to do zoom therapy on my lunch break still in makeup. (Therapist is not a Trekkie and was not amused!)

So much more to say but most importantly just… Thank you, Avery.

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The Greatest Trek podcast has Tawny Newsome on talking about how they wrote EP5 and it’s a delight of a listen. I didn’t know she was so hardcore trek!

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So Caleb and Tarima have been sleeping together since they hooked up during the barfight in episode 5, and they’ve started developing the same sort of telepathic bond that Riker and Troi had.  At the same time the Athena has travelled to a debris field, where Academy and War college cadets will undertake a joint exercise aboard the USS Miyazaki, a 130-year-old hulk which was lost testing a new drive, but the crew was the subject of a beloved comic which has inspired a few past and current cadets to sign up.  Naturally things go wrong when the ship is boarded by cannibalistic pirates, and the only person the crew can turn to for help is Nus Braka.  Captain Ake thinks he’s got something up his sleeve, but she can’t put her finger on it.

There’s nothing new in episode 6, we’ve seen hostage situations, battles of wits, mentors worried about their charges and so on, but the execution here is excellent.  It’s not perfect, the action is a bit undercooked and there’s a few predictable or convenient moments, but the escalation of stakes, the way the kids on the Miyazaki and the Athena are effected, and the brutal conclusion all work very well, especially when all of the kids on the ship are either main cast or recurring, with consequences that will hopefully reverberate through the show for a while to come.

The core of the episode is the conversations between Braka and Ake, and for a bit Dadmiral Vance as well – when Oded Fehr is the weak point in a scene you know you’re in for a treat.  Braka is a more balanced character this time, his excesses are tempered more than episode 1 and his idiosyncratic and provocative language definitely feels more like a gambit, a way to keep his opponents off-guard than him just being a quirky bad guy. Similarly Ake’s oddball behaviour recedes out of view as soon as the crisis kicks off, and she’s all business for almost all of the episode.

I really enjoyed this one, up there with episode 4 in the quality stakes

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Uncle Retrospective

I was thinking it was going to go Event Horizon with how creepy the ship was.

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lorcan_nagle

Oh yeah, round dark corridors, a failed FTL experiment, totally coulda happened.

A month has passed since the ambush at the wreck of the Miyazaki, Tarima is recuperating on Betazed, and Caleb has yet to send her a message, he keeps starting to record something and then deleting it.  But also it’s All Worlds day so the Academy is closed for a long weekend and everyone’s going off to do stuff.  Caleb prevails on Ake to not send him to a sponsor family and instead he can bum around the Academy, and then Genesis shows up, claiming she’s blowing off her family because her dad got called up to attend a conference at the last minute, shenans ensue.  Meanwhile Darem gets abducted and Jay-den follows him through a pin-point wormhole only to end up on Khionia and it’s actually Darem’s wedding – to the heir to the throne of the entire world.  Jay-den ends up being Darem’s best man but all he wanted to do was hang out on Ibiza with his boyfriend…

So yeah, this is a downtime episode, with some of the characters continuing to bear the impacts of last week but most of the cast are moving on and doing stuff, but we’ve got a running theme of characters taking responsibility for their actions, looking inwards, and forging forward.  Darem gets some great character work here, willingly going along with his arranged marriage even though it means setting aside his own desire to be in Starfleet. Similarly Genesis gets a bit more depth in that side of the story.  The consequences are low, it’s very old-school Trek. And it’s not bad, but it’s not great either.  There’s nothing wrong with the episode but there’s not a huge amount going on either and the person drama is fine but not particularly gripping.  It’s all very standard.

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lorcan_nagle wrote:

It’s all very standard.

Yup, it’s fine and I had fun with it, but would have liked a bit more bite to it. I did like that it avoided some CW love triangle nonsense with Caleb and Genesis, they teased it, but had the sense not to.

Also, is it in Caleb’s contract to have his top off every episode? Just wondering.

Tig Notaro continues to be a joy.

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The aftershock of the Miyazaki incident is still being felt in episode 8.  Tarima has returned, but she’s been transferred from War College to Starfleet Academy and is rooming with Genesis and SAM, but she’s out of sorts and not really interacting with anyone, even being standoffish with Caleb.  Darem is picking fights and Ake decides to get some extra help, which is an excuse for Tilly to pop over, taking time out from tutoring some third year students on a deep space assignment.  When she meets the kids she announces that she’s going to be teaching theatre, and they decide to discuss and perform Our Town by Thornton Wilder, a metatextual play from the 1930s which of course has dialogue and events that map onto the characters’ personal crises.  On top of this SAM is still glitching from being shot on the Miyazaki despite her visit to the holo spa last episode and she’s been hiding it from everyone until a serious attack takes place, so Chancellor Ake and The Doctor take her back to her homeworld to see if The Makers can help her.

So there’s a few moments in this episode that veer back and forth for me.  Like Tilly is presented as being this big thing and while she might be for the audience (I was certainly looking forward to her showing up), the kids should be a bit more wtf.  They are to a degree but it just feels off.  And elements of the play map onto the characters’ personal dilemmas to such a degree that I suspected it wasn’t an actual real play and had been devised specifically for the episode.  There’s a couple of bits where Tarima rails against what Tilly’s doing with the kids and it’s very self-aware, like a Grant Morrison character perceiving the panels of the comic they’re in.

All that aside though, this episode works and works very well, both sides of the story are a meditation of grief, and they work way better than Caleb’s story last week.  Zoe Steiner is in an odd place as Tarima where some of her acting choices make her seem like she’s disconnected from the role, but she’s very good in other places and so it seems like her disconnect is a deliberate choice on how to play the character, similar to how Karim Diané is using a very low register in his voice for Jay-Den and it doesn’t always work.  But there’s two scenes back to back where she’s drunk – a two-header with Caleb and then with Genesis that are really well-done.

The Doctor, Ake and SAM’s side of the story are probably a bit more solid, but cover the same themes.  There’s been a lot of hints dropped about the Doctor being colder, less open and this gets explored here a bit, and while Ake isn’t in the same wheelhouse, the story touches on her own grief around her son’s death in The Burn. Kerrice Brooks holds her own with both Holly Hunter and Robert Picardo here and SAM remains my favourite of the kids on the show. Another great outing for Academy overall.

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The Academic year is coming to an end, we’ve really speed-ran that in the last 8 episodes and while the kids are all getting ready to take a break the Athena is en route to Betazed for the inauguration ceremony of the new Federation capital when Caleb managed to decrypt two years worth of messages from his mum, she’s on a world facing annexation from the Venari Rai and naturally he decides to steal a shuttle and go find her, and naturally some of his friends tag along either deliberately and inadvertently. Meanwhile Starfleet ha figured out what Nus Braka stole from the classified facility during the Miyazaki incident – a supply of a synthesised variant on the Omega particle and the ability to make mines with it.  (Omega being a particle of incredible power and destructive capacity which renders subspace unable to sustain warp travel if it explodes, it was in an episode of Voyager). And this all unfolds with a level of predictability.

But also, not.  Like I don’t think it’d come as a surprise to anyone that Caleb was going to locate his mother and abandon everyone to go find her, up to and including a moment where he says hurtful things to get his friends to leave – I was expecting him to abandon Starfleet in a way that would seemingly burn his bridges and when he reaches his mother discover a greater complication, but that isn’t exactly how it plays out.  The story plays out with predictable beats but takes a road less travelled at each point and I appreciate that.  There’s some good action both in-person and with starships, and some very fun character moments, especially when the shuttle is leaving and Darem is drunkenly ranting.  Sandro Rosta is exceptional as Caleb this episode, he’s been a solid performer all year but he’s got a lot of scenes with Tatiana Maslany as his mother Anisha, and more than holds his own. However, we are back in a finale storyline with a Federation-threatening event and a bunch of action on a murky trading post on a dodgy planet, so it’s kinda a flashback to a lot of DISCO’s pivotal moments while the show’s been more than forging its own path until now. Still a very solid episode if not up to show’s very impressive highs and a good setup for next week’s conclusion.

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I really enjoyed it. Academy has been a good show, it’s a pretty strong first season. Let’s hope they can land the ending.

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The Federation is trapped behind a minefield of Omega-47 with only the Athena on the outside.  Braka tracks down the Athena’s saucer section and abducts Captain Ake and Anisha Mir, leaving everyone to die while he puts Ake on trial in the now-vandalised Athena atrium with Anisha sitting in judgement, broadcasting the whole affair to the quadrant.  With Starfleet even unwilling to risk Discovery jumping outside the minefield it’s up to Jett, The Doctor and the kids to save the day.

So good news, Academy mostly stuck the landing! This last episode is very Star Trek with the cast split between a trial/debate sequence and a bit of technobabble and characters discussing how if they do this and this than that might happen. The dramatic highlight is, of course the trial where Ake and Braka are going off at each other and Tatiana Maslany is clearly trying to keep her emotions in check – the show is very clear that being in Ake’s presence is triggering her in a severe way.  There’s some good emotional climaxes in the other side of the story as well, primarily bringing Caleb and Tarima’s relationship issues to a conclusion and there’s been a subplot for the last couple of episodes where SAM is railing against her pre-repair personality and has been bristling with Genesis so that gets worked on as well.

Overall I really enjoyed Academy series 1, it clearly had a lot of potential at the start even if the first couple of episodes were finding their footing, but from episode 4 onwards the show’s mostly on fire. I remember them talking about how SNW was going to have individual episodes with character arcs, but for series 1 most of those arc were introduced in one episode and resolved in a second one, or at most might get mentioned in between the two episodes. The integration of the personal character arcs for the most part feels more organic and better paced.  And while this isn’t the end of an era, it might herald it.

Because right now, Alex Kurtzman is in talks with Paramount/Skydance/Warner Brothers/Pizza Hut about the future of his incarnation of Star Trek.  There’s every possibility for one reason or another that his contract won’t be renewed and his successor, if any might start from scratch.  We’ve got two more series of SNW and one more of Academy to come and that might be it.  Flawed as it is, I’ve found a huge amount to enjoy in the current Trek era and it’ll be sad if it ends.

 

 

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lorcan_nagle wrote:

Because right now, Alex Kurtzman is in talks with Paramount/Skydance/Warner Brothers/Pizza Hut about the future of his incarnation of Star Trek.  There’s every possibility for one reason or another that his contract won’t be renewed and his successor, if any might start from scratch.  We’ve got two more series of SNW and one more of Academy to come and that might be it.  Flawed as it is, I’ve found a huge amount to enjoy in the current Trek era and it’ll be sad if it ends.

I have seen talk of a Star Trek: Year One with Kirk’s first year on the Enterprise.

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Yeah, it’s been pitched to Paramount by Kurtzman alongside continuing Academy and the live-action comedy show Tawny Newsome is developing, apparently. But it all depends on his contract being renewed, I guess?

That said, I’d far prefer a new show in the 25th century or the Lost Era over more TOS-era stuff

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lorcan_nagle wrote:

Because right now, Alex Kurtzman is in talks with Paramount/Skydance/Warner Brothers/Pizza Hut about the future of his incarnation of Star Trek.  There’s every possibility for one reason or another that his contract won’t be renewed and his successor, if any might start from scratch.  We’ve got two more series of SNW and one more of Academy to come and that might be it.  Flawed as it is, I’ve found a huge amount to enjoy in the current Trek era and it’ll be sad if it ends.

Whereas I would be rather glad for all this to end and to get to see an entirely new approach to Star Trek.

Christian wrote:

lorcan_nagle wrote:

Because right now, Alex Kurtzman is in talks with Paramount/Skydance/Warner Brothers/Pizza Hut about the future of his incarnation of Star Trek.  There’s every possibility for one reason or another that his contract won’t be renewed and his successor, if any might start from scratch.  We’ve got two more series of SNW and one more of Academy to come and that might be it.  Flawed as it is, I’ve found a huge amount to enjoy in the current Trek era and it’ll be sad if it ends.

Whereas I would be rather glad for all this to end and to get to see an entirely new approach to Star Trek.

The problem is, an “entirely new approach” to Star Trek from the current regime at Paramount is likely to be even more conservative than Strange New Worlds

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I think they did that and called it Section 31?

Alternately, it would 100% work with, say Romulan characters.

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Star Trek: Starfleet Academy To End With Season 2

Intergalactic school’s almost out — forever.

“Star Trek: Starfleet Academy” will end after its forthcoming second season, TVLine has confirmed. The sci-fi drama was renewed for Season 2 in October 2024, ahead of the series’ premiere. 

Variety first reported the series’ ending.

“Star Trek: Starfleet Academy” is set in the 32nd Century, after the end of “Star Trek: Discovery,” as Starfleet reopens its training school under the leadership of Capt. Nala Ahke (played by Holly Hunter). The Season 1 finale, which started streaming March 12, found Nus Braka (Paul Giamatti) putting the Federation on trial — with Ahke as its stand-in — for “crimes against democracy.” An impassioned testimony from Caleb (Sandro Rosta), as well as Nahla’s own revelation about what really killed Nus’ people, led to his downfall and subsequent arrest. (Read a full finale recap here.)

A joint statement from CBS Studios and Paramount+ reads: “We’re incredibly proud of the ambition, passion, and creativity that went into bringing Star Trek: Starfleet Academy to life. The series introduced audiences to a bold new group of characters, welcomed familiar faces, and expanded the Star Trek universe in exciting new ways. We’re grateful to Alex Kurtzman, Noga Landau, Gaia Violo, and the entire cast and crew who pushed storytelling boundaries in the spirit of Gene Roddenberry’s vision. We look forward to sharing the upcoming second and final season with everyone, and continuing to celebrate the cast, crew, and all that was accomplished with this series.”

TVLine’s Dave Nemetz gave “Star Trek: Starfleet Academy” a C+ in his review, saying the latest “Trek” installment “deserves credit for trying to forge its own path.” However, “it also hits some of the same stumbling blocks that have dogged recent ‘Trek’ outings.” Viewers might have had the same thoughts: The 10-episode first season did not rank on Nielsen’s Top 10 streaming viewership lists. 

Season 2, which has completed production, does not yet have a return date at Paramount+. 

A note from the showrunners

“Star Trek: Starfleet Academy” executive producers/co-showrunners Alex Kurtzman and Noga Landau wrote a letter to fans regarding the ending, which you can read below: 

“It’s been my and Noga’s joy and privilege to help carry Gene Roddenberry’s extraordinary vision forward with Starfleet Academy, thanks to the hundreds of hardworking humans who pour every ounce of their talents into the work daily with imagination and reverence. We are in post-production now on what will be the second and final season. We’re so proud of what we’ve accomplished together on this show, and the world will get to see the work of these extraordinary artists when season two airs. We will finish strong.

Whether you’re working on Star Trek or part of the marvel that is Star Trek fandom — its very heart, soul, and conscience —the joy comes from adventuring across boundaries of time, space, and the humanly possible in service to Roddenberry’s transformative vision of the future. That incomparable vision was fueled by an inexhaustible optimism. Star Trek places its bet on the best in human nature. It dares to imagine a society of “infinite diversity in infinite combinations,” free of war, hate, poverty, disease, and repression, and dedicated to the spirit of scientific inquiry and respect for all life, whether carbon or silicon-based, green-skinned or blue.

But make no mistake: Gene Roddenberry wasn’t some starry-eyed dreamer. He was a decorated Army bomber pilot in the Pacific Theater. He had seen first-hand the grim consequences of the worst of human nature. And his vision of the future wasn’t just a promise of hope. It was also a warning. In a fraught, frightening time of intolerance and violence, Star Trek said: Look! We made it! But just barely. First, we had to put all those ancient scourges behind us. It said that what makes us glorious as a species, and gives us hope for the future and the galaxy is inextricably linked to what makes us dangerous to each other, to this one world we presently inhabit, and to ourselves. That dual message—of hope and of warning—isn’t just a pretty dream but a call to action, to think about who we are in a different way.

Please don’t take our word for it. Take Gene’s: ‘Star Trek was an attempt to say that humanity will reach maturity and wisdom on the day that it begins not just to tolerate, but take a special delight in differences in ideas and differences in life forms. […] If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences, to take a positive delight in those small differences between our own kind, here on this planet, then we do not deserve to go out into space and meet the diversity that is almost certainly out there.’

With enduring hope that his vision of the future is possible, for our children, their children, and every future cadet in Starfleet Academy: Live Long and Prosper.”

On the bright side of things, the godawful studio-mandated TNG nostalgia bait we’re about get foisted on us will only hasten the critical reappraisal of DISCO and series 1 of Picard

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lorcan_nagle wrote:

On the bright side of things, the godawful studio-mandated TNG nostalgia bait we’re about get foisted on us will only hasten the critical reappraisal of DISCO and series 1 of Picard

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The chuds win again.

lorcan_nagle wrote:

The problem is, an “entirely new approach” to Star Trek from the current regime at Paramount is likely to be even more conservative than Strange New Worlds

Fair point, that. Sigh.

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In case you were curious about the plans for Trek’s 60th…

It’s a funeral, it be dead again. Sets are scrapped, no new series.

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Trek does feel dead. The fans want TNG nostalgia and/or The Orville (I’d argue they’re the same thing) and have no real interest in the show going forward. Add the owners of Paramount to this and it feels like we’re in for The Mandalorian but Star Trek from here on out.

Maybe I’m wrong, but even thought I haven’t loved all of the new Trek, it felt like the took a swing, now it’s going to be fan service from here on. And not in a fun Lower Decks kind of way.

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I still need to look at Lower Decks beyond its crossover ep.

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Ben wrote:

I still need to look at Lower Decks beyond its crossover ep.

It is definitely worth your time.

It really honors the spirit of the show while lovingly teases it. Its heart is in the right place.

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Lower Decks is by far the best of the modern Treks.  It does a great job of laughing with Trek, not at it.

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SNW series 4 begins on July 23rd

 

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