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But Marvel does seem to have a problem with number two movies.
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Oh it was very intentional.
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But Marvel does seem to have a problem with number two movies.
Secretary Pierce would like a word with you.
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Fair point. Winter Soldier is still one of the best MCU movies.
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Fair point. Winter Soldier is still the best MCU movies.
Fixed that for you. You’re welcome.
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Anyone else seen The Penguin trailer? It’s looking pretty good.
With this and Waller, DC have two good series inbound.
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Yep, given how this is a show and a character I don’t really have any interest in… I suppose I’ll watch it, if the full trailers make it look as good. Still a weird choice to do this at all, but maybe it’s just a clever one – cover that Sopranos ground with DC properties. Sure, why the hell not?
I wonder how these upcoming shows will make their way over here – there still isn’t an HBO Max Germany, the other shows have been scattered all over the place – Doom Patrol on amazon, Titans on Netflix, Watchmen on Sky and Peacekeeper nowhere at fucking all and I had to wait until a few months ago when the first season finally became available to buy in the open market. Hope that won’t be the problem with all the upcoming stuff.
(Apparently, the problem here is that there’s a deal with Sky, but I don’t get why Peacemaker wasn’t released on Sky streaming here then… nor has Our Flag Means Death been. Motherfuckers.) -
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Superman: Legacy Starts Pre-production – Variety
“I’m honored to be a part of the legacy,” Gunn wrote alongside a photo of the “Superman: Legacy” script cover page. “And what better day than Superman Anniversary Day to dive fully into early pre-production on ‘Superman: Legacy’? Costumes, production design, and more now up and running.”
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GRANT MORRISON and ‘Teen Titans GO’ had a cameo in the recent ‘Titans’ episode.
This might actually be one of the greatest DC-moments I’ve ever seen.pic.twitter.com/Xb3Jyj2vNg
— Mr. Wayne🦇 (@ArkhamNumb) April 20, 2023
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Those net worth numbers given on celebrities sites are basically just wild guesses, I think. No reason to believe any of that.
Yeah. The ones in Forbes I think are fairly well informed guesses but the ones that appear when you just Google are a lot of guff as far as I can tell.
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Having got and watched the Arrowverse crossover Crossroads a while back, decided to catch up and start watching the various episodes leading to Crisis on Infinite Earths.
Started with Supergirl, second half of S4 and first half of S5.
For all that the Arrowverse can be fun, it often hinders itself with lousy ideas and execution – which is the case here. Alex’s mindwipe, Haley, Lockwood, Baker, Lex – all weak, bad ideas. S5 continues that with Lena showing herself to be exactly like her brother – a weak, foolish, insanely, vengeful, narcissistic mess. Oh, but the Luthor are genius level intellects? Yeah, but also massive idiots, with psychopathy to match.
Outside of that, it’s fun enough, with some smart, good sequences that work well. Lockwood’s zealotry backfiring and burning down his entire world was particularly good.
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I’m still quite looking forward to it, even if it’s increasingly looking like a Batman movie featuring the Flash.
(That’s probably just due to the marketing though – presumably partly to focus on the ’89 nostalgia to bring in the longtime fans, and partly to not focus overly on Miller given all the controversies.)
The thing that has me most excited about it is the visuals. There are loads of great comicbook shots and great designs and fun visual tricks in that trailer (I love the bit where the camera rotates as he runs up the wall).
Which is something that’s been missing from the DC movies (and superhero movies in general) lately – a lot of them have felt quite visually flat and uninteresting. For all that we often make fun of Snyder, he was a great visual stylist and had a flair that feels like it’s missing from a lot of superhero movies.
I still find it a bit jarring to see Burton’s Batman in a colourful, high-tech modern DC universe – taken outside of Burton-Gotham he feels like a weird fit – and I do think the trailer’s reliance on callbacks and alternate versions gets a bit tiresome.
But I fully expect that to be a major feature of the movie – it’s their big multiverse blowout before the Gunn reset, so I’m sure there will be much more of this in the final film. (I’m guessing they’ve been emboldened by the success of No Way Home.)
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Bale, Clooney, Pattinson, maybe even callbacks to older DC stuff like West Batman or Reeve Superman crop up in the movie. If they’re going to use the multiverse as a nostalgia-fest then they might as well go the whole hog.
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Looks like it’ll be mad fun. That’s enough for me on this.
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The fact that Ezra Miller is in it has ruined it for me. When I see Miller, all I can think about is their creepy criminal behavior. I probably won’t ever see this movie because of them.
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Speaking of problematic actors in DC movies:
Amber Heard will officially return as Mera in the upcoming movie “Aquaman and The Lost Kingdom” 🍿🎬 pic.twitter.com/h6TfRusVZL
— Daily Loud (@DailyLoud) April 26, 2023
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The thing that has me most excited about it is the visuals. There are loads of great comicbook shots and great designs and fun visual tricks in that trailer (I love the bit where the camera rotates as he runs up the wall).
Yeah, that’s true, the movie just looks really good.
I’m game for this, definitely.
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The post-Elseworlds chunk of Arrow S7 makes a good argument for it ending at S5. It is a bit of a slog.
At first the Emiko works OK but then it goes with her being the villain, which is a card the series has played too often. Having Adrian Paul turn up as a major villain was cool, but clearly they could only afford him for a handful of eps.
On the other hand, the first four eps of S8 have been a lot better. Maybe that’s due to it being written in the knowledge there will not be another series. Plus, it’s all heading to Crisis on Infinite Earths.
But yeah, still fair to say the series had difficulty finding its identity after the end of S5.
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Oh how I wish we’d gotten that Batfleck movie =(
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number two movies
Hur. Hurr hurr hurr.
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Crisis on Infinite Earths
They actually pulled this off. A lot is said about DC superhero films and their films, TV? Less so. Yet the Arrowverse sustained multiple series for years, doing a number of two, three and four way crossovers. All leading up to this five way finale.
No matter how you slice it, this is a major success of coordination. Plus this one had far more demanded of it as it was the pay-off to years of story, hundreds of episodes.
One of its biggest execution successes is in conveying the sheer magnitude and scariness of the Crisis, of entire worlds being erased. It gives a great sense of what the stakes are.
It also has quite a bit of fun with the wider DC material. It weaves in nods to the older Superman films, Netflix’s Titans, Smallville, Conroy’s Batman even gets a turn, taking Frank Miller’s Dark Knight to its ultimate conclusion.
And then there’s the finale where the characters realise it is now just a single earth, with all the chaos that entails. This was a lot of fun and it successfully paid off a huge arc.
Arrow finale
Acting as an epilogue to the huge Crisis crossover, it also feels fitting that the show that started the Arrowverse and the road to Crisis, should end with its resolution.
It’s a well executed finale to 7-8 years of stories. An entire array of guest characters testify to just how much it achieved.
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So I saw Black Adam. Man, that was a movie that didn’t work on a great number of levels. The plot was too by the numbers and full of daft clichés (man, the fucking skateboard kid!). The dialogues were incredibly bad – just so many terrible, terrible, cringey lines from the very start -, and the characters were all entirely 2D. Also, the plot relied on them being really, really fucking stupid (like Hawkman announcing to Black Adam he had to “kneel” instead of being in some way diplocatic). The mix of humour and serious also didn’t work – Black Adam quipping just didn’t work with his supposed bad-ass-seriousness. Also, just killing a lot of people all over the place didn’t chime so well with the supposed lightness of the movie. And the Rock just isn’t good enough an actor to pull the whole tortured-slave-tragic-father-anti-hero off. In fact, nobody looked good (much as I loved Aldis Hodge on Leverage) except for Pierce Brosnan who was awesome. Visually, some of it was cool and some of it looked shoddy. The last bits with the big demon guy just looked like a computer game.
I think this probably could have worked as a JSA movie with Black Adam just the villain (albeit a complex one) instead of the protagonist and more room to develop that team – is that how it was originally planned before the Rock took over? It kind of feels like it.
Um, with all that being said… it actually wasn’t NOT fun to watch, I have to say. Should’ve been drunk or high, maybe, but in spite of its many, many, many, many, many flaws it was kind of a good time. The action did look good a lot of the time, it was nice to see some of those characters, the Rock is always sort of fun to watch, and it definitely moved at such a high speed that you didn’t manage to stay annoyed at the individual sillinesses of the scenes for long. Kind of a good time in spite of everything.
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I was mildly entertained by Black Adam. It wasn’t good, by any means, but I didn’t really dislike it. That said, it’s probably pretty damning that The Rock signed on to be Black Adam damn near a decade ago with a solo movie in development for 5 years or so and this was the best they could come up with. It’s pretty clear that Johnson’s ego played a part in the downfall of this and probably Shazam!
Because if he’d allowed himself to be the villain of the first Shazam! movie, that could have really changed a lot of things for the DC movie universe as a whole.
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I was mildly entertained by Black Adam. It wasn’t good, by any means, but I didn’t really dislike it. That said, it’s probably pretty damning that The Rock signed on to be Black Adam damn near a decade ago with a solo movie in development for 5 years or so and this was the best they could come up with. It’s pretty clear that Johnson’s ego played a part in the downfall of this and probably Shazam!
Because if he’d allowed himself to be the villain of the first Shazam! movie, that could have really changed a lot of things for the DC movie universe as a whole.
Supposedly, Johnson has a requirement that he can’t lose fights in movies he’s in. I’ve read that in the Fast & Furious movies, he, Statham, and Diesel have their people count the number of punches they each throw to make sure no one throws more punches than the other.
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Todd, are you turning into JR? 25 years?? more like 25 seconds
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Todd’s been on commission for Cracked for years.
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Coming soon…
WB Reconsidering Miller as Flash, Director Quits
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The news seem to be that Muschietti is directing Brave and the Bold, so I doubt he’ll have much say with The Flash Sequel, if it even happens, we’ll see why the box office is like in the coming weeks.
WB have royally fucked up the DC properties so I wouldn’t be surprised if they keep Miller. But it feels like absolute insanity to entrust a multimillion dollar franchise to someone so unpredictable.
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Time for Ezra Miller and Jonathan Majors to film a buddy movie, dontcha think?!
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I had to double-check to make sure it wasn’t me posting that
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Lynda Carter is only #4 and Julie Newmar didn’t even place? Margot Robbie is #1?
What an absolute bullshit list.
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What an absolute bullshit list.
Hey, have some respect; HOURS of diligent and thorough masturbation went into compiling that list!!
But, yeah, this list is…subjective.
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Haven’t seen Flash yet, but that’s probably a good thing, right?
I thought Flash was a mess so I’m not hoping for great things from this.
I’m also surprised in general that an old-DCU director is being retained under Gunn’s new regime. It doesn’t help to make the new era feel like a break from the old one.
Is there going to be another Matt Reeves/Pattinson Bat-movie parallel to this, as well?
Yep, and also a spinoff TV series about the Penguin set in that same world.
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My hope would be for the performance of this and other recent DC movies, as well as the seemingly increased ambivalence towards the MCU, to lead to Gunn embracing the chance to start completely fresh and forget about the whole shared universe thing. Just give us entertaining movies for each separate brand of character, branch out with spin-offs from whichever ones prove to be the most popular, and don’t worry about the clunky crossover crap that just doesn’t really work all that well.
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In the article I saw at Deadline (I posted it in the Flash thread), it seemed they’re trying to blame the writer’s strike because it’s forced all the talk shows to go dark
It’s a bit mystifying that a “talk show” needs a writer. Don’t people just sit down and… talk?
Moreso than in the UK, the US talkshows have prepared sections like an opening monologue that obviously would require writers.
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wb releasing black adam, shazam 2, the flash, and blue beetle pic.twitter.com/MkbKhxUwVy
— wyatt dunkin (@WyattDuncan) June 18, 2023
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In the article I saw at Deadline (I posted it in the Flash thread), it seemed they’re trying to blame the writer’s strike because it’s forced all the talk shows to go dark
It’s a bit mystifying that a “talk show” needs a writer. Don’t people just sit down and… talk?
Moreso than in the UK, the US talkshows have prepared sections like an opening monologue that obviously would require writers.
Honestly, if a host can’t improvise an opening monologue why is he a talk show host?
I’m not being funny, I really don’t get it. Didn’t Colbert, for example, start in stand-up comedy? And he’s a published writer. Doesn’t he write his own monologues? Isn’t that literally why he was hired?
Actually, as I think this through, I guess the ones who can write their own material aren’t doing so, out of solidarity with the strikers.
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Stand-up comedians rarely improvise their sets, they spend a long time writing jokes and fine-tuning stories. And a lot of them, especially in the US have people who write jokes for them too. Being an accomplished stand-up doesn’t mean you can do a monologue on short notice, let alone 5 a week.
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Also, I suspect that even improvising a monologue like that could be seen as breaking the strike.
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Also, I suspect that even improvising a monologue like that could be seen as breaking the strike.
I think I read recently that Ryan Reynolds wasn’t allowed to improvise on the set of Deadpool 3 because he’s listed as one of the writers and any improvised dialogue would be considered writing.
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Honestly, if a host can’t improvise an opening monologue why is he a talk show host? I’m not being funny, I really don’t get it. Didn’t Colbert, for example, start in stand-up comedy? And he’s a published writer. Doesn’t he write his own monologues?
It may be underestimating the grind of those shows. They go out daily and the monologue parts are really long. The reason the monologues are long is there are a few of these a night across the networks so they run thin on guests with dozens of shows a week. A typical stand-up will do an hour show a year and they are burning through that in more or less a week.
Graham Norton has it relatively easy because he has 3 jokes at the top of the show and then a parade of A list stars on the couch in his weekly show with only one or two serious competitors also with weekly shows (Ross and maybe Carr).
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Tim Burton’s ‘Batman’ Almost Had a Very Different Joker
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Tim Burton’s ‘Batman’ Almost Had a Very Different Joker
We can only imagine how awesome that casting would have been.
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🎬Tim Burton’s ‘Batman’ starring Michael Keaton, Jack Nicholson and Kim Basinger opened in theaters 34 years ago, June 23, 1989 pic.twitter.com/2OkgTWYU1f
— RetroNewsNow (@RetroNewsNow) June 24, 2023
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🎬Tim Burton’s ‘Batman’ starring Michael Keaton, Jack Nicholson and Kim Basinger opened in theaters 34 years ago, June 23, 1989 pic.twitter.com/2OkgTWYU1f
— RetroNewsNow (@RetroNewsNow) June 24, 2023
My dad took me to see that. I was so excited.
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