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We don’t really know anything about how they’ll be presented or used yet. If they do share the DCU with the classic DC icons, then I could see them being set up as a more politically aware super-team with more of a willingness to disrupt the status quo rather than preserve it like the JLA, which could lead to some genuinely interesting ideological conflict with the traditional DC heroes. No reason why it couldn’t work well.
Well here’s a reason why it couldn’t work well: Which status quo? Which JLA? Which traditional heores? The Authority is indeed a reactionary CB/team to the “status quo” of superheros, that’s their whole point and the core concept behind that book, but that’s a bit hard to get away with when you haven’t really shown what that status quo is… it’s waaaaaay too early for such a movie. Kinda like doing Civil War in phase 1, so to speak, it wouldn’t make much sense either. There’ll be nothing to disrupt yet.
Unless of course they’re changing the idea behind it all, but then I’ll ask again: What’s the point? Why introduce a team of what’s essentially JLA stand-ins BEFORE the JLA? Or maybe it’s not even gonna be the same team, which begs the question even more…
If they were treated as a space/dimensional travel team, the movies could have a sort of Guardians vibe, which is probably something people would like to see from a Gunn-led DC universe. And that’d allow The Authority to stand on their own and not contrast too much with the other DC heroes too much.
Ehhhh… I don’t know, they’re not supposed to be a GotG type of team, like AT ALL… I mean, sure they fought a “god”, but they were not fighting off intergalactic beings just to play space cops, they were literally protecting earth with more decisive methods… I mean, I guess you can turn them into space cops, but that clashes with the GL corps and sort of negates their whole point. Plus then there’s the tone of the whole thing.
In the end, I guess they can do whatever they want and turn the Authority into a space adventure “happy go lucky” team, I guess, but is that what we want from it?
Ehhhh… I don’t know, they’re not supposed to be a GotG type of team, like AT ALL… I mean, sure they fought a “god”, but they were not fighting off intergalactic beings just to play space cops, they were literally protecting earth with more decisive methods… I mean, I guess you can turn them into space cops, but that clashes with the GL corps and sort of negates their whole point. Plus then there’s the tone of the whole thing.
In the end, I guess they can do whatever they want and turn the Authority into a space adventure “happy go lucky” team, I guess, but is that what we want from it?
I was thinking more in terms of the tone of the dialogue, what with Jenny at the helm and everything. It’d be a bit darker and more violent than Guardians (although some of the stuff in Guardians 2, oh boy!), but it could have a similar kind of team dynamics and fun dialogue. Somewhere between Guardians and Suicide Squad, I guess. But really that’s the main difference between JLA and Authority in tone: dirtier, funnier, more violent. And I’d say there’s room for that, but I wouldn’t do it on Earth necessarily – plus, they kinda need huge threats from the get-go.
Well here’s a reason why it couldn’t work well: Which status quo? Which JLA? Which traditional heores?
You’re right, I should wait and see rather than pre-judging it.
You’re right, I should wait and see rather than pre-judging it.
What a radical idea!!
Why’d they have to make the Authority movie three hours long??
I saw a youtuber speculate
I saw an old man masturbate in the park once.
If said Youtuber isn’t a Warner/DC employee then their ‘information’ is worth nothing.
I can add an MCU Youtube video in 5 mins saying Julio Inglesias is cast as Jean Grey in a movie where she marries Storm and Gambit in a Mormon ceremony.
I can add an MCU Youtube video in 5 mins saying Julio Inglesias is cast as Jean Grey in a movie where she marries Storm and Gambit in a Mormon ceremony.
Christian will think that sounds awesome.
You’re right, I should wait and see rather than pre-judging it.
You’re very much welcome to not participate in the discussion… although I guess you’re more interested in grandstanding at this point
I saw an old man masturbate in the park once. If said Youtuber isn’t a Warner/DC employee then their ‘information’ is worth nothing. I can add an MCU Youtube video in 5 mins saying Julio Inglesias is cast as Jean Grey in a movie where she marries Storm and Gambit in a Mormon ceremony.
Chill down dude, I’m just relaying an idea I heard somewhere else and I didn’t want to take credit for it… it wasn’t presented as a rumour or aleak or whatever, nor I presented it as such… it was just an idea/speculation.
I’m not grandstanding, I just think it’s a bit silly to be confidently maintaining that this is all going to be a disaster, based on not very much at all – but then giving detailed rebuttals when other people speculate that it could turn out pretty well.
Let’s be honest, none of us knows how these films are going to turn out yet as we don’t have many details and not a single frame has been shot. They could be good, they may not turn out that way.
But such an insistent negativity at this point says more about the standpoint of the person speculating than it does about DC’s movie plans.
There’s this “how can you not be excited about this” vibe but let’s see:
– It’s DC, none of them are guaranteed to come out.
– They’re all years away.
– No trailers.
I get more interested in stuff when I know there’s a trailer and I can access the material. Thus I didn’t care about Peacemaker until I could get the disc release.
It all sounds potentially good or interesting but could also crash. I’d be happier for it not to crash but it’s DC. They are masters at self-sabotage.
There’s this “how can you not be excited about this” vibe
I think it’s more about being open-minded and seeing the potential for something good to come out of this, rather than writing it all off immediately.
To me it’s kind of ironic that such a fan-pleasing slate (from the perspective of comics readers) is being torn apart in some quarters.
Years back it would have blown people’s minds for WB to have announced a slate with an Ellis/Hitch-inspired Authority movie, a Moore/Bissette, Totleben & Veitch-inspired Swamp Thing movie, a Morrison/Quitely-inspired Batman/Damien film, an All-Star-inspired Superman movie, and a separate dark serious adult Batman movie to boot. And that’s without all the deeper cuts coming like Booster Gold or Flashpoint’s multiversal cameos and all that additional stuff.
Yet somehow there’s a race to shit on the Gunn regime before it’s even out of the starting blocks.
Maybe Jon’s right and it’s time for me to duck out of these online conversations because I’m starting to find it all a bit tiresome.
Ultimately it surprises me that any fan could look at that slate and not find something to be at least a little bit excited by or interested in, but maybe I shouldn’t be surprised by that any more.
Years back it would have blown people’s minds for WB to have announced a slate with an Ellis/Hitch-inspired Authority movie, a Moore/Bissette, Totleben & Veitch-inspired Swamp Thing movie, a Morrison/Quitely-inspired Batman/Damien film, an All-Star-inspired Superman movie, and a separate dark serious adult Batman movie to boot. And that’s without all the deeper cuts coming like Booster Gold or Flashpoint’s multiversal cameos and all that additional stuff.
Sure, years ago before WB/DC shit the bed straight for a decade… I mean, it’s hard to blame people for being cautious at this point.
Ultimately it surprises me that any fan could look at that slate and not find something to be at least a little bit excited by or interested in, but maybe I shouldn’t be surprised by that any more.
And I said off the bat I’m actually interested in the Authority one, I’m just worried about all the different and exciting ways they can mess it up by having it be a part of their new 10-year planned inter-connected universe… they have a really shit track record at that kind of thing, and I’m sorry but Gunn has no real experience as a producer. The other dude does, but he doesn’t really seem to be a Feige-like guy either.
It also doesn’t help that I’m not a Gunn fanboy either, like many people seem to be (not talking about people in here specifically, btw, I mean in general).
Also, I’m not sure where people are getting the idea that the announced Superman movie will be anything like ASS from … the description Gunn gave, albeit short and not very detailed, didn’t really make it sound like it’ll be based off of ASS… I’m sure they could perhaps use the same type of tone or whatever, but it’s not like we’re getting an ASS movie adaptation… I’d actually be pretty excited about it if it was a proper adaptation of ASS, and not the “begining” of their interconnected universe… and yes, I do like typing ASS.
Okay, how in the hell did I not realise in all this time what the acronym for All Star Superman is?
Game changer.
Okay, how in the hell did I not realise in all this time what the acronym for All Star Superman is?
Game changer.
I only realised that when they release the All-Star Superman Hardcover Oversized Limited Edition.
There’s this “how can you not be excited about this” vibe
I think it’s more about being open-minded and seeing the potential for something good to come out of this, rather than writing it all off immediately.
To me it’s kind of ironic that such a fan-pleasing slate (from the perspective of comics readers) is being torn apart in some quarters.
Years back it would have blown people’s minds for WB to have announced a slate with an Ellis/Hitch-inspired Authority movie, a Moore/Bissette, Totleben & Veitch-inspired Swamp Thing movie, a Morrison/Quitely-inspired Batman/Damien film, an All-Star-inspired Superman movie, and a separate dark serious adult Batman movie to boot. And that’s without all the deeper cuts coming like Booster Gold or Flashpoint’s multiversal cameos and all that additional stuff.
Yet somehow there’s a race to shit on the Gunn regime before it’s even out of the starting blocks.
Maybe Jon’s right and it’s time for me to duck out of these online conversations because I’m starting to find it all a bit tiresome.
Ultimately it surprises me that any fan could look at that slate and not find something to be at least a little bit excited by or interested in, but maybe I shouldn’t be surprised by that any more.
I think a couple of things are at work for me where DC films are concerned:
– I often enjoyed Elseworld stories so am more at ease with multiple versions of the DC characters. Thus much of the outrage over MoS didn’t register. There’s the older movies, MoS does no real damage.
– Some of it sounds good but it’s all very, very early. Later on? I’ll likely buy and enjoy them just fine.
The whole Snyderverse bros and the anti-Gunn stuff? That’s where it gets weird or hilarious. Like the story that did the rounds a few weeks back of fans wanting the DC rights sold to Netflix. So cancellation is the aim? Uh, OK. We’re in a weird, fucked up world.
As far as All Star Superman is concerned, I think people saw Gunn tweets where he was reading ASS and that’s mostly the extent of it. I think Jon is right that it will draw inspiration from ASS, but that will largely be tonal. It’s definitely not a comic you adapt straight to start a cinematic universe.
Well I’m sure that, if they take anything straight off of ASS, it will be that one page… you know which one… I can see Gunn going for that bit of ASS, maybe one or two more.
Well I’m sure that, if they take anything straight off of ASS, it will be that one page… you know which one… I can see Gunn going for that bit of ASS, maybe one or two more.
You may be right. It’s a shame though as it’s such a well-structured and carefully-constructed book as a whole.
It took me a while to appreciate it (thanks in part to some helpful direction from the writer), but Morrison’s ASS is so wonderfully symmetrical in the way the two halves come together – with that rise and fall aspect to it, the peaks and troughs, the darkness in the centre but the perfect beauty and uplift of the outer edges. And all themed around that central Apollonian ideal of solar energy that really makes it feel like the sun shines out of Morrison’s ASS.
that really makes it feel like the sun shines out of Morrison’s ASS.
Are you proud of yourself now, Dave? Are you satisfied?!
But such an insistent negativity at this point says more about the standpoint of the person speculating than it does about DC’s movie plans.
You do know you are talking about Jon, right?
Speaking of the acronym for All Star Superman, I prefer the one for All Star Batman and Robin. I’m intrigued about what ASBAR means to Frank Miller.
Also, in “actor wants work news,” Dave Batista wants to be Lex Luthor in James Gunn’s DCU. Thoughts?
Fuck no… then again, people hated the one in BvS and I kinda liked it, but in this case it’s all the tattoos and muscles… aaaaand let’s be honest, Luthor should be a white guy xD
Fuck no… then again, people hated the one in BvS and I kinda liked it,
Yeah, I’ve heard some pushback against the BvS version but I also thought it worked well as a modern and fairly original take on Luthor. Maybe Eisenberg didn’t get as much of a chance as he could have in a movie that had so much going on, but it was a decent take.
Batista is a much better actor than most wrestler/bodybuilder types but he’s not working as Lex for me.
I concur that I quite like the Eisenberg version.
I liked Jon Cryer as Lex in Supergirl.
The Harley Quinn Problematic Valentine’s Day Special is… really something. I laughed my head off.
Bane stole the show. Also enjoyed Etrigan as a shopkeeper
I am currently (finally!) watching Peacemaker, and it’s absolutely fucking awesome. Love pretty much everything about it.
I am currently (finally!) watching Peacemaker, and it’s absolutely fucking awesome. Love pretty much everything about it.
Yeah it’s great isn’t it. It gives me a lot of confidence for Gunn finding the heart in all these DC properties that he’s now in charge of.
James Gunn debunks reports that George Clooney will be the new DCU #Batman and says a new actor will be cast in the role pic.twitter.com/d3wcKvTQQU
— Geek Vibes Nation (@GeekVibesNation) February 11, 2023
I didn’t even know such a rumor was even circulating.
I think the rumour was that one of the other past Bats Men could show up for a cameo at the end of the Batman: No Way Home Flash movie (as well as Keaton and Affleck), potentially to also then serve as the dad-Batman in the Damian Wayne movie, and Clooney was obviously one of several potential (if unlikely) options.
Personally I think if they bring any of the others back it’s most likely to be Bale.
It’ll be Conroy, you read it here first.
It’s been months. And there’s this new voice AI software that can be combined with Deepfake….
Putting all the Ezra shite to the one side..That does look like quite a lot of fun.
Ezra Miller’s scandals have forever tainted this movie for me. I won’t see it because of him.
I feel like I just watched the entire movie. But it was a pretty good movie.
That does look great.
And me, I’m definitely gonna watch it. Miller’s shit isn’t bad enough that I can’t separate art and artist at this point.
Absolutely love what we of Kara. I can see why they’re going with a Supergirl movie now.
It’s cool that they brought Zod back as the big bad. And I love how they just played those four notes of Elfman’s Batman theme before we see Keaton.
I’m kinda not liking the costumes, tbh… any of them… even Batfleck looks bad =/
Other than that, I dunno, I’m sure it’ll be a movie at least
What can you even say at this point except, wow it really IS coming out… miraculous indeed.
It’s cool that they brought Zod back as the big bad.
Yeah, after all the outrage from Snyder fans about DC binning his vision it’s kind of funny that the next DC movie looks like a Greatest Hits.
Ok, yeah, that trailer was pretty good.
Why is Sasha Callie's Supergirl look a lot like Lana Lane Kent but is actually Kara Zor-El? pic.twitter.com/eHqEsu1aWM
— 𝐆𝐎𝐃𝐃𝐄𝐒𝐒 𝐎𝐅 𝐖𝐀𝐑 ✨ (@GoddessOfWvr) February 13, 2023
People get so hung up on aesthetics. Don’t get me wrong, I’m used to see Kara as a blonde, but this is also an alternate reality where she’s standing in for Kal-El, so I kind of get given her a similar aesthetic to Superman.
Yeah, she’s technically not Supergirl… I guess she’s more like a Superwoman.
But to answer your question, even though not directed at me, ’cause comicbooks are a visual medium… I like them looking as cool as they can.
First look at Lady Gaga as Harley Quinn in #Joker2
(https://t.co/dA7I3lpWRM) pic.twitter.com/ZOVhqOWOJw
— Geek Vibes Nation (@GeekVibesNation) February 15, 2023
Yeah but people are speculating about both ages. All I ever said was Superman was younger than in his forties and Batman MIGHT be a couple years older than Superman.
— James Gunn (@JamesGunn) February 17, 2023
Flash looks good judging from the trailer. There’s a lot of running which is good. It was clear that recasting Ezra Miller was never an option for them since he plays two or three characters in the movie. All the weird running aside though, it’s nice to see Keaton as Batman again. It’s nice to see Batfleck as well. Wonder what kind of reception this Flash movie will get given all the baggage it has been carrying due to the issues of its lead actor.
Fan art of Ana de Armas as Poison Ivy:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CoqDuAVOFmj/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
It would have been funny if Brainy couldn’t work it out and Kara was like “Oh cool, Tetris!” and aced it in 20 seconds.
I feel like I just watched the entire movie. But it was a pretty good movie.
I have already watched the whole movie. Except it was a Flash TV show when I watched it.
‘Gotham Knights’ Series at CW Casts Doug Bradley as Joe Chill
Apparently Brendan is a fan of the forum.
Brendan Fraser on if he would join the DCU:
"Of course, I'm an actor. I want to work."
(Variety) pic.twitter.com/qnThoupzgP
— Home of DCU (@homeofdcu) March 3, 2023
AHAHA!!!
Of course, Brendan Fraser kinda already is in a DC property; he’s been fantastic in Doom Patrol.
Doom Patrol is the one TV property I wish they’d carry over into the new DC TV universe. Everything else can get fucked, but that one was truly good.
Speaking of DC TV, Marc Guggenheim is apparently pissed.
Guggenheim was one of the creators of Crisis on Infinite Earths, the CW’s crossover event that brought together DC shows like Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, Batwoman and Legends of Tomorrow. Making such a feat happen was no easy task and the writer felt gutted that his efforts were not taken into consideration by the new DC studio heads for at least a meeting with them.
“Not a job, mind you. A meeting. A conversation. A small recognition of what I’d tried to contribute to the grand tapestry that is the DC Universe. I’d only spent nine years toiling in that vineyard, after all,” Guggenheim wrote on his Legal Dispatch newsletter dated Feb. 3.
I mean, I get it, it’s not very polite to not even have a conversation. On the other hand, I don’t know if this sentence –
He added, “Although working for DC had been creatively fulfilling, it involved a lot of adversity, challenges, and personal sacrifices — none of which seem to have accrued to any professional benefit. Simply put, the Arrowverse hasn’t led to any other gigs, so it feels — at least on a career level — that I really wasted my time.”
– isn’t, like, really bad self-promotion. As is biting the hand that fed you overall, common wisdom would suggest.
Anyway, it’d be a nice gesture if Gunn had talked to Guggenheim, but I do get why he wouldn’t want to touch anything Arrowverse, to be honest. And do you know who Gunn did reach out to? Jeremy Carver, who ran the Doom Patrol series. He’s doing the Amanda Waller spin-off.
So, yeah, overall Gunn recognises actual talent, I’d say.
Doom Patrol is the one TV property I wish they’d carry over into the new DC TV universe. Everything else can get fucked, but that one was truly good.
I don’t know, it’s dropped down in quality gradually… I think they should probably wrap it up at this point…
I haven’t seen the latest season yet, but I pretty much liked the others equally. Current one’s the last one though, I think.
‘Batman: Caped Crusader’ Moves to Amazon With Two-Season Order – Hollywood Reporter
The series, from J.J. Abrams, Matt Reeves and Bruce Timm, was previously developed for HBO Max.
Batman: Caped Crusader has found a new home at Amazon.
The streamer and retail giant has handed out a two-season order for the animated series, which was originally set up at HBO Max. Caped Crusader landed at the Jennifer Salke-led streamer following Warner Bros. Animation parent company Warner Bros. Discovery scrapping the show in August — more than a year after it was ordered straight to series — amid a round of cost-cutting. Other streamers, including Netflix, Apple and Hulu, also kicked the tires on the project that marks a reunion for executive producers J.J. Abrams and Matt Reeves, who previously collaborated on The WB Network’s beloved Felicity.
The animated series hails from Bruce Timm, Abrams and Reeves and was sold to a streaming rival as part of Warner Bros. Discovery’s efforts to monetize content by selling projects to third-party buyers.
Reps for all parties declined to comment as formal deals have not yet closed.
Batman: Caped Crusader, first announced in May 2021, is said to harken back to Timm’s 1990s Batman: The Animated Series, which stands as a benchmark for the Dark Knight’s animated storytelling. Comic book scribe Ed Brubaker is among the creative team and ran a writers room and serves as Timm’s right hand on the 10-episode first season.
The show’s move comes as DC Studios bosses James Gunn and Peter Safran, whom Warner Bros. Discovery CEO David Zaslav hired late last year, seek to bring order to DC’s properties. The duo has plotted a 10-year plan to tell a unified story across film, TV, gaming and animation, though certain projects will fall outside of that main track. Those include Reeves’ The Batman: Part II and HBO Max spinoff series The Penguin, and, naturally, fare like Caped Crusader that is distributed outside of the company.
Caped Crusader’s move to Amazon comes after Zaslav revealed his film studio would develop more Lord of the Rings movies. Amazon, coincidentally, controls the TV rights to the Lord of the Rings franchise, and now will count Warners’ Batman as part of its service offerings.
“We are beyond excited to be working together to bring this character back, to tell engrossing new stories in Gotham City,” Abrams (Star Wars: The Force Awakens) and Reeves (The Batman) said in a joint statement when Caped Crusader was first announced. “The series will be thrilling, cinematic and evocative of Batman’s noir roots, while diving deeper into the psychology of these iconic characters. We cannot wait to share this new world.”
For his part, Abrams has had a rough go of it lately at Warner Bros. Discovery. The prolific writer, director and producer remains based at Warners with a sizable overall deal but has seen many of his Bad Robot projects scrapped as part of WBD’s recent cost-cutting spree. His plans for a larger Justice League Dark franchise, which was to have consisted of multiple DC Comics shows including Madame X and Constantine, were scrapped. HBO also shut down Demimonde, which was to have been the first original series that Abrams wrote and created since Fringe in 2008. Sources at the time said Abrams was looking for a budget north of $200 million for the show, but HBO execs wanted to keep it in the realm of House of the Dragon, which came in at $125 million. Before Demimonde, HBO Max also dropped plans for Overlook, a spinoff of The Shining that is believed to have been sold to Netflix, though that has never officially been confirmed.
Animation, meanwhile, remains a major area of investment for networks and streamers alike. In addition to repeating well on streaming platforms, in success, original ideas become extremely lucrative thanks in part to the ability to turn characters into lines of merchandising. (See The Simpsons, Rick and Morty, etc.) At Amazon, Batman: Caped Crusader will join a roster of animated fare that also includes Undone, Robert Kirkman’s Invincible, Fairfax, The Legend of Vox Machina and The Boys Presents: Diabolical.
Well all I can share is this, credit to @FlashFilmNews for this. https://t.co/dIQiRQdeKu pic.twitter.com/v0XC6rKkqn
— Blue Beetle Updates (@Bluebeetlenews) March 13, 2023
James Gunn to Direct Superman:Legacy – Hollywood Reporter
So what vaguely funky old rock song will Superman dance to? Psycho Killer?
So what vaguely funky old rock song will Superman dance to? Psycho Killer?
Jimmy Olsen’s Blues by The Spin Doctors
This is the first review of the new Shazam movie I have seen, and it’s not good:
‘Shazam! Fury of the Gods’ Is So Bad You’ll Be Begging for James Gunn’s DC Reboot
So what vaguely funky old rock song will Superman dance to? Psycho Killer?
CBR recently suggested Grace Caroline Fulton (Mary in the SHAZAM movies) as a possible candidate for Wonder Woman. Thoughts?
How Dwayne Johnson Kneecapped ‘Black Adam’ and ‘Shazam 2’ While Trying to Take Over DC | Exclusive
The exec put it best when he said that Johnson tried to sell and brand himself as bigger than the DC franchise, even when it wasn’t all about him. So he ruined it for himself and the other actors.
Now I can see how some on the Fast and Furious cast didn’t like him at all.
As for Gunn and the DC franchise, to mimic MCU would mean to churn out 40 movies or so which might be a bit much for the fans who are already invested (and fatigued) in so many franchises.
Maybe Gunn should go for quality over quantity:make each DC movie a high quality event.
TRAILER TOMORROW #BlueBeetle pic.twitter.com/UijmnA0QFz
— Blue Beetle (@bluebeetle) April 2, 2023
That looks alright. Not great, but pretty good. If it comes out when I have the time, I’ll probably go watch it in the theatre.
That Blue Beetle trailer looks like a hodge podge of stuff we’ve seen in other movies… nothing original in there.
The practical suit is pretty cool tho… and oh boy did they go with the Injustice 2 version of Blue Beetle… it’s almost a carbon copy (not a bad thing tho).
That Blue Beetle trailer looks like a hodge podge of stuff we’ve seen in other movies… nothing original in there.
The practical suit is pretty cool tho… and oh boy did they go with the Injustice 2 version of Blue Beetle… it’s almost a carbon copy (not a bad thing tho).
I think it’s pitching fairly young, for an audience that isn’t burned out on superhero movies by this point. And in fairness when we had the trailer ahead of the Mario movie my ten-year-old said it looked great and he’d really like to go and see it.
Oh totally, looks like re-Shazam in every way, including the younger audience target… shit, it’s even got the same rancid “joke” in the trailer.
Wow no Shazam 2 thread huh? lol…
Yeah well it’s pretty shit, so I get it. Man, that’s a Peter Safran flick, should we be worried? =/
Oh also, no joke, I actually like Black Adam more…
Yeah well it’s pretty shit, so I get it. Man, that’s a Peter Safran flick, should we be worried? =/
I mean, neither him or Gunn have a great track record. GotG2 is the worst Marvel film by a long shot.
I mean, neither him or Gunn have a great track record. GotG2 is the worst Marvel film by a long shot.
I didn’t much care for GotG 2, but that’s a crazy statement given some of the Marvel output.
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