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  • #104284

    I’m baffled this has happened (even with how much of a mess Discovery-Warner is generally at the moment). How do you say to an actor “we want you to return to this role” to the point that they leave existing jobs and do publicity for it, only to then say “actually we’re doing a film about a young Superman and you’re not right for it”?

    Cavill surely has a loss of earnings suit ready to go if he wants, given he’s been essentially duped out of his Witcher work for this?

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  • #104285

    You’re assuming that he’s not being paid regardless.

    Usually these kinds of contracts have clauses to ensure the actor gets paid either way.

  • #104288

    You’re assuming that he’s not being paid regardless.

    Usually these kinds of contracts have clauses to ensure the actor gets paid either way.

    Given Warner’s desperation to save money through weird tax write-offs and whatnot, I wouldn’t assume he’s getting paid for not being in the film, no.

  • #104289

    Gunn has said that the new Superman movie specifically won’t be an origin story, so there’s that I suppose.

    When the Tom Holland Spider-Man was introduced to the MCU, we didn’t get an origin story because who the hell doesn’t know how Peter Parker got his powers by now? It should be the same with any Superman or Batman film moving forward.

    And while we’re at it, the new Gunn DCEU should ban the use of Lex Luthor and the Joker for the first five years. Let’s be imaginative here.

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  • #104290

    Gunn has said that the new Superman movie specifically won’t be an origin story, so there’s that I suppose.

    He also said Cavill is out because they want to focus on a younger Superman… soooo, he’s either full of shit or he doesn’t even know what the fuck they’re doing… I don’t know which is worse, but either way a “younger” Superman means another origin, even if he doesn’t go all the way back to Krypton, it still means a Superman learning to be Superman and all that blah blah (kind of how The Batman is not an origin story, but it kinda is)… zzzzzzz

    They should really shelf the Flash movie… like what, they’re gonna release that shit just to reboot everything and start again with another Flash? What if people absolutely love the Ezra Miller movie and it makes a billion+ bucks? I mean, not gonna happen, but imagine how awkard that’d be…

    There’s no winning with that movie because it’ll most probably tank, but on the off-chance it doesn’t, well, they still need to replace the character(s) which might upset some people, and if it ever did well, then they’d either be stuck with that problematic version or have to burn even more people… ha! good luck with that clusterfuck.

    When the Tom Holland Spider-Man was introduced to the MCU, we didn’t get an origin story because who the hell doesn’t know how Peter Parker got his powers by now? It should be the same with any Superman or Batman film moving forward.

    Ehhhhh… we skipped the uncle Ben thing and the spider-bite thing, but the entire trilogy was a sort of “origin story” when you think about it, it was all literally to get Peter to the Peter we all know and love, including Ben-ifying May, just to drive it home… so sure, I guess that could be what they do, but that’s still an origin story :unsure:

  • #104291

    Cavill will be in his 40s by the time this movie is made. “Younger” could just mean they want to cast a 30-year-old who can last a five-movie franchise, not a kid to play Superboy.

  • #104292

    When the Tom Holland Spider-Man was introduced to the MCU, we didn’t get an origin story because who the hell doesn’t know how Peter Parker got his powers by now? It should be the same with any Superman or Batman film moving forward.

    Like the MCU Hulk movie, BvS covered the Batman origin quite nicely with a quick potted recap during the credits. I could see them going that route. Kind of like that first page of Morrison’s All-Star Superman.

  • #104293

    You’re assuming that he’s not being paid regardless.

    Usually these kinds of contracts have clauses to ensure the actor gets paid either way.

    Given Warner’s desperation to save money through weird tax write-offs and whatnot, I wouldn’t assume he’s getting paid for not being in the film, no.

    We never know contract terms for sure unless a party goes public, but “Pay Or Play” contracts are common for big talent like this.

  • #104294

    Moving on from all things related to Man of Steel, the Snyderverse and all that stuff is music to my ears. It’s been dragging in for a long time now, it never really caught on in a big way and now is the time to create something fresh.

    And – here’s the tricky bit – not shit.

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  • #104297

    And – here’s the tricky bit – not shit.

    The encouraging news is, PEACEMAKER wasn’t shit. In fact, it was pretty fantastic. Letting Gunn loose with his take on the DCEU should be equally fantastic.

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  • #104299

    Yep. I’m not worried about any of this stuff. Just waiting what Gunn will come up with.

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  • #104341

    So. Black Adam.

    That counts a a film I’ve seen, I guess. I give it a Meh / 10.

    Sub Snyder visually with a plot that was “ha ha, he’s killing people” while being boring. Goodbye this version of DC films I really hope Gunn can do better.

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  • #104344

    Sub Snyder visually with a plot that was “ha ha, he’s killing people” while being boring. Goodbye this version of DC films I really hope Gunn can do better.

    Someone didn’t watch THE suicide quad and peacemaker… it’s kind of the same thing… =P

    I mean, I give Gunn enough credit to think he’s at least not that much of an idiot to use the same style of TSQ & PM all over the new slate, but then again, I don’t know the man, so we’ll have to see :unsure:

  • #104350

    And yet they won’t remove the most problematic star in the movie.

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  • #104351

    Someone didn’t watch THE suicide quad and peacemaker… it’s kind of the same thing… =P

    Well, there’s some Ha Ha He’s Killing People in Suicide Squad, but it also has a whole lot more than that and it’s not the least bit boring.

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  • #104355

    And yet they won’t remove the most problematic star in the movie.

    If there’s ever been a movie that needs to be shelved and the company take the write down, it’s The Flash.

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  • #104356

    Well, there’s some Ha Ha He’s Killing People in Suicide Squad, but it also has a whole lot more than that and it’s not the least bit boring.

    Eh… there were other interesting things in BA too… the movie was just kinda ass, true, but I also found TSQ & PM somewhat boring and derivative, to be honest… said as much when they came out. I wouldn’t say they’re objectively superior, although they’re certainly better crafted, that much I ain’t gonna argue… but in terms of being “boring” and whatnot, that’s really just subjective.

    It’s a shame BA fell into the usual trappings of comicbook movies, because there was enough there to do a pretty good one… you’d think after so many years they’d know to avoid them, but they just keep doing the same shit over and over and over… :unsure:

  • #104357

    I don’t think we should assume anything about Gunn’s overall approach to the DC line based simply on his own filmography. He’s smart enough to know that a range of approaches are needed and one size doesn’t fit all. He’s not stupid enough to try and make a Superman movie with a Suicide Squad tone.

    Really, what DC have always needed was someone with an understanding of the material who knows how to adapt it to the screen without losing the heart of it, like Feige at Marvel. And I think Gunn has a lot to recommend him on that front.

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  • #104358

    If nothing else the success of The Boys with Homelander has killed off the “we want dark Superman” demands

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  • #104361

    He’s not stupid enough to try and make a Superman movie with a Suicide Squad tone.

    But there will be dancing, right? And an animal sidekick?

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  • #104363

    Someone didn’t watch THE suicide squad

    I did. And I thought it was ok. But unwatchable on my second try. Not a big fan of Gunn’s non Zombie work

  • #104364

    He’s not stupid enough to try and make a Superman movie with a Suicide Squad tone.

    But there will be dancing, right? And an animal sidekick?

    He’s going to throw Krypto an invisible bone.

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  • #104367

    I did. And I thought it was ok. But unwatchable on my second try. Not a big fan of Gunn’s non Zombie work

    Waitwaitwaitwaitwait. Are you referling to Slither as a zombie movie (because I am not sure I’d agree) or to the fact that Gunn wrote the screenplay for Snyder’s Dawn of the Dead?

    Also, you didn’t like Super?!

  • #104389

    I’m the most optimistic I’ve ever been about the DC movies at the moment. A reset feels like the only way forward to me and I like that Gunn is making the moves in that direction.

    it’s is kind of weird that we’ve still got a full year left of these Snyderverse holdovers though…Wonder if it’s too late for them to go to tax write off heaven with Batgirl?.

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  • #104402

    As sad as I am that Cavill won’t be reprising his role as Superman, I think this may be a good move for them. I think they want to step away as far as they can from the Snyderverse. Yes, it had its fans but it was divisive as hell. They needed a fresh start. They should just release the flash movie as a straight to DVD movie. I’m not sure anyone’s going to watch it at this point. Let’s just hope that whatever Gunn and Safran has planned would be a DC universe we could all enjoy.

    It would be very interesting if everyone’s all fired up about the news of Cavill’s departure and then they make a Kingdom Come movie and cast him as its Superman.

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  • #104404

    Christel and I made it about 22 minutes into Black Adam before we bailed. It was just bland and boring.

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  • #104408

    Waitwaitwaitwaitwait. Are you referling to Slither as a zombie movie (because I am not sure I’d agree) or to the fact that Gunn wrote the screenplay for Snyder’s Dawn of the Dead? Also, you didn’t like Super?!

    I was being glib to be honest. :whistle:

    I’d forgotten Slither, I went to the cinema to see that. I really like Dawn of the Dead, it’s a great script and it’s shot really well.

    Super left me cold.

  • #104417

    Let’s just hope that whatever Gunn and Safran has planned would be a DC universe we could all enjoy.

    Oh I’m sure that’s what we’re getting… they’re gonna MCU-fy that bitch like there’s no tomorrow…

    It would be very interesting if everyone’s all fired up about the news of Cavill’s departure and then they make a Kingdom Come movie and cast him as its Superman.

    Nah, not gonna happen… honestly, I’d lose respect for Cavill if his answer to DC’s call in the future is not a straight up FUCK YOU. But more than that, their reason for not keeping him on is clearly bullshit… they already have 2 different bat-related separate universes, and probably a 3rd on the way, and you’re gonna tell me they couldn’t have done 2 separate Superman projects? Naaaah… they either want Cavill out or they want to erase the “snyderverse”, either way, they’re not bringing them back, except maaaaybe in a few years to try and ape No Way Home… but again, Cavill & co. should tell them to fuck off.

    But also, Kingdom Come is “dark”, isn’t that what everyone was bitching about with the Snyderverse? :unsure:

    Christel and I made it about 22 minutes into Black Adam before we bailed. It was just bland and boring.

    It would’ve been a much better movie without that tropey 3rd act with the terrible villain no one gives a shit about. If they’d kept the movie as a BA vs the JSA all the way through and had given more weight to the clashing politics and philosophies, then yeah, that could’ve been actually interesting… but nah, there always need to be a bigger faceless threat to redeem those type of characters… zzzzzzz…

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  • #104525

    James Gunn assures fans there will be no more “studio interference” when it comes to DC movies

    DC movie fans no longer need to be worried about “studio interference”, James Gunn has assured. The filmmaker has been responding to various tweets from curious cinemagoers over the last few weeks and recently, he replied to one that asked him to expand on the claim that higher-up meddling is a thing of the past.

    Addressing a fan on the social media site Mastodon, Gunn said that he has more control over the cinematic universe than Zack Snyder ever did, as he and his partner Peter Safran are “the heads of DC studios.” He continued: “The position is different than it was. The only studio interference would be from us!”

    It’s no secret that a whole bunch of previous DC projects were notoriously tinkered with by Warner Bros. executives; most notably David Ayers’ Suicide Squad, and Snyder’s Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and Justice League. Snyder ended up releasing a director’s cut of the latter on HBO Max, having stepped away from the project during production. The four-hour outing was very different to that of Joss Whedon’s theatrical version and proved more popular with critics and fans alike, earning positive reviews and 71% fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

    Over the years, Ayers has expressed interest in bringing out his own edit of Suicide Squad, but it has yet to become a reality. When DC and Warner Bros. released Gunn’s The Suicide Squad, which featured a couple of the same characters, in 2021, an Ayer cut became even more unlikely.

    Gunn and Safran seem determined to shake up the DCEU in major ways going forward, and have already confirmed that Henry Cavill won’t be returning to the franchise as Superman and that there are currently no plans to develop a Black Adam sequel. Patty Jenkins is no longer attached to Wonder Woman 3, and it has also been rumored that Aquaman star Jason Momoa might be recast as DC Comics character Lobo.

    No studio interference…

  • #104526

    And then Agatha was shot in the head by Peacemaker.

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  • #104529

    The post-credit scenes of all the next wave of DC movies are Peacemaker shooting different Snyderverse characters in the head.

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  • #104531

    Script consultant for that series will be Garth Ennis, which includes a Hitman cameo.

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  • #104534

    Addressing a fan on the social media site Mastodon, Gunn said that he has more control over the cinematic universe than Zack Snyder ever did, as he and his partner Peter Safran are “the heads of DC studios.” He continued: “The position is different than it was. The only studio interference would be from us!”

    I will be doing the meddling!”

    Well alright. Cool.

    Script consultant for that series will be Garth Ennis, which includes a Hitman cameo.

    Honestly, given the success of The Boys, a Hitman DC series should be a no-brainer.

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  • #104550

    James Gunn assures fans there will be no more “studio interference” when it comes to DC movies

    Wait, isn’t the guy is removing Cavill’s and Gadot’s cameos in the Flash? well… so much for that I guess… :unsure:

  • #104552

    It’s kind of silly to take a statement like that 100% literally, as of course the studio is going to guide production of the movies and make tweaks based on a general overarching strategy. Who wouldn’t expect that from the people running the show?

    But the gist of what Gunn is saying seems to be that individual creators will have more freedom to make the movie that they want to make, rather than chaining them to some big overall storyline set by other studio executives or creators, which can have the effect of weighing them down with unwanted baggage or creative decisions (or simply the stink of failure), as happened with the failed Snyderverse experiment that has ultimately played a big part in sinking DC’s entire line for a while now.

    Which seems like a good thing to me.

  • #104554

    I would have a lot more confidence in the “no interference” statement if David Zaslav weren’t the one in charge of WBD.

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  • #104555

    James Gunn assures fans there will be no more “studio interference” when it comes to DC movies

    Wait, isn’t the guy is removing Cavill’s and Gadot’s cameos in the Flash? well… so much for that I guess… :unsure:

    I still don’t really understand cutting those cameos. It’s a movie that’s basically about the multiverse from the sounds of it. It’s going to have multiple Batmen and maybe even Zod (?) so why cut the other heroes that have already shared the screen with these versions of the Flash Batman, etc.? Also, audiences understand recasting as well.

    It’s just weird and typical of WB/DC decision making.

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  • #104559

    It’s kind of silly to take a statement like that 100% literally, as of course the studio is going to guide production of the movies and make tweaks based on a general overarching strategy. Who wouldn’t expect that from the people running the show?

    Then why even make that statement when everyone knows that can’t possibly be? Plus let’s be honest, at this poin,t statements from DC ain’t worth shit.

    But the gist of what Gunn is saying seems to be that individual creators will have more freedom to make the movie that they want to make, rather than chaining them to some big overall storyline set by other studio executives or creators, which can have the effect of weighing them down with unwanted baggage or creative decisions (or simply the stink of failure), as happened with the failed Snyderverse experiment that has ultimately played a big part in sinking DC’s entire line for a while now. Which seems like a good thing to me.

    I’m not sure that’s what he’s saying, considering they’re building a new whole thing… But even then, you just said it’s silly to take a statement like that literally… how much freedom are individual creators REALLY gonna have? The moment a movie flops or seems to be a stinker, the studio WILL interfere…

    So again, why even say that? I mean, I get that some people are just gonna trust Gunn for no good reason at all, but so far it’s all been sounding like same old DC… worthless statements and empty promises… maybe Gunn should stop trying to do PR and focus on delivering =/

  • #104577

    Maybe the scene was cut because it wasn’t good. Stuff is cut from every movie ever released. If it was solid gold I’d imagine they’d fight for it.

    I still  have my doubts though whether this thing will ever be released, it may end up sharing a prison cell with its star.

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    Edit – Wrong thread

  • #104583

    But the gist of what Gunn is saying seems to be that individual creators will have more freedom to make the movie that they want to make,

    Honestly, the gist of it seems to be to me that he’s going to be the one doing the meddling (well, he and Safran) and that nobody above them is going to also mess with things. Kind of like, we know Kevin Feige is the one calling the shots with the Marvel movies.

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  • #104591

    Maybe the scene was cut because it wasn’t good. Stuff is cut from every movie ever released. If it was solid gold I’d imagine they’d fight for it.

    I still  have my doubts though whether this thing will ever be released, it may end up sharing a prison cell with its star.

    Well I’m sure they don’t want to (and they really shouldn’t at this point) but given their insistence to release it, I’m assuming there’s a lot of contractual obligations they just can’t get out of, because yeah, that shit’s been problematic since day one, and it keeps getting more and more problematic every day… :unsure:

  • #104598

    Oh I’m sure that’s what we’re getting… they’re gonna MCU-fy that bitch like there’s no tomorrow…

    HAHA they probably are. Hopefully it’ll be different than what the MCU has done in the past.

    they want to erase the “snyderverse”

    Yup, I think that’s what all these changes are for. I agree.

     

    But also, Kingdom Come is “dark”, isn’t that what everyone was bitching about with the Snyderverse?

    Good point. Maybe them doing a no way home version of their own may be more of a possibility.

  • #104601

    I don’t think it’s a shock that they would want to ditch any links to the Snyder movies and start fresh. It’s been mostly a failure, critically and commercially. If anything it’s a surprise that it’s taken this long.

    I guess they’ve tried to have their cake and eat it by retaining the successful elements (eg. Margot Robbie’s Harley) so they don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater, but it’s hard to do that and also move forward in the way that they need to.

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  • #104624

    HBO Max Removing Several Beloved DC Cartoons

    https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/1257166-hbo-max-removing-dc-cartoons

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  • #104634

    HBO Max Removing Several Beloved DC Cartoons

    https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/1257166-hbo-max-removing-dc-cartoons

    HBO Max has always had the potential to be one of the best streaming services, given the width and breadth of the WB library. And with upcoming service merger with Discovery, it really could have been a true contender to Netflix.

    But GODDAMN, Zaslav has done everything he can to absolutely gut the service. Canceling series and removing others is not going to entice many people to sign up for it, let alone keep it. Other services and companies are working hard to bring their content in so it’s all in one place and make you want to have the service. WBD is turning theirs into an absolute shitshow no one is going to want. They are sacrificing long term growth for short term gains.

    Really, really stupid.

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    ‘The Batman’: Read The Screenplay For Matt Reeves’ Take On The Caped Crusader

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    https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/features/1257344-justice-league-of-america-movie-retrospective

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    And in “actor wants work” news:

  • #105341

    And in “actor wants work” news:

    Plus, he’s already Bart Allen.

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  • #105440

    ‘Titans,’ ‘Doom Patrol’ Ending on HBO Max – Hollywood Reporter

    Titans and Doom Patrol, the DC Comics dramas that were originally developed to help launch the former DC Universe streaming service, are coming to an end.

    The current fourth seasons of both of the Greg Berlanti-produced HBO Max dramas will be their last, sources tell The Hollywood Reporter. Sources say producers on both Titans and Doom Patrol saw the writing on the wall amid all the changes with DC Entertainment and plotted their current seasons with proper endings so as to not leave fans in a lurch.

    “While these will be the final seasons of Titans and Doom Patrol, we are very proud of these series and excited for fans to see their climactic endings,” an HBO Max spokesperson said in a statement to THR. “We are grateful to Berlanti Productions and Warner Bros. Television for making such thrilling, action-packed, heartfelt series. We thank Titans showrunner Greg Walker, executive producers Greg Berlanti, Akiva Goldsman, Sarah Schechter, Geoff Johns, Richard Hatem, and the team at Weed Road Pictures. For Doom Patrol, we celebrate showrunner Jeremy Carver and executive producers Greg Berlanti, Sarah Schechter, Geoff Johns, Chris Dingess and Tamara Becher-Wilkinson. For four seasons, fans have fallen in love with the Titans and Doom Patrol, investing in their trials and tribulations, and in their legendary battles saving the world time and time again.”

    Both Doom Patrol and Titans originated on niche streamer DC Universe. Titans was the first show that was ordered in 2017 for the former platform, with spinoff Doom Patrol nabbing a straight-to-series order a year later. Titans aired its first two seasons as a DCU original, while Doom Patrol was exclusive to the platform for its first season.

    With the arrival of HBO Max, scripted originals were moved from DC Universe to the upstart streamer in 2020 as the Warner Bros. Discovery-backed platform bulked up originals in a bid to draw subscribers when DCU was shuttered. (HBO Max also added Epix DC drama Pennyworth as a first-run original series. There has been no decision on the future of that show.)

    Brenton Thwaites, Anna Diop, Alan Ritchson, Minka Kelly and Joseph Morgan have been among the Titans cast.

    “I’m immensely proud of our gifted cast, crew and writing staff and their efforts in bringing to life all 49 episodes over the last five-plus years,” Titans exec producer Greg Walker said. “I couldn’t have asked for better partners in Berlanti Productions, Warner Bros. Television, and HBO Max, and from the beginning, Geoff Johns and Akiva Goldsman. I’m incredibly grateful for their unyielding trust throughout this process. Lastly, I have to thank our incredible fans for their continued support, engagement, and the passionate community they’ve built around our show. We have six episodes left to unleash upon the world that we hope will give our beloved characters the creative closure we all know they deserve.”

    Diane Guerrero, April Bowlby, Alan Tudyk and Matt Bomer are among the stars of Doom Patrol, which counts Jeremy Carver as showrunner and exec producer alongside Johns, Berlanti and Schechter, among others.

    “To our wonderfully supportive partners at HBO Max, Warner Bros. Television, Berlanti Productions, and DC Studios, thank you for indulging us these past four seasons,” Carver said. “Also, what were you smoking? To our brilliant cast, indomitable crew, fearless writing staff and, most of all, to our beautiful fans: thank you all the more. You made this a once-in-a-lifetime ride.”

    The decision to wrap up Titans and Doom Patrol comes amid changes at both HBO Max under Warner Bros. Discovery and at DC Entertainment. With James Gunn and Peter Safran taking over DC, the duo is plotting a new, more integrated roster of films and TV series with sources noting the decision to end both shows was made before their arrival. At HBO Max, which will soon be integrated with Discovery+, the platform has been dumping content as it looks to better define its brand and find more than $3 billion in cost savings.

    For Berlanti, who recently renewed his rich overall deal with Doom Patrol and Titans producers Warner Bros. Television, the end of both shows sees his roster of scripted originals continue to dwindle. With The CW set to considerably reduce its volume of originals, Berlanti’s DC roster now includes only the final season of The Flash, bubble drama Superman & Lois and Gotham Knights (due in March). Additionally, Berlanti is reworking Green Lantern for HBO Max, where he also has drama The Girls on the Bus in the works. Sources say the mega-producer and director is not expected to be heavily involved with DC Comics programming under his new pact with Warners.

  • #105529

    The current fourth seasons of both of the Greg Berlanti-produced HBO Max dramas will be their last, sources tell The Hollywood Reporter. Sources say producers on both Titans and Doom Patrol saw the writing on the wall amid all the changes with DC Entertainment and plotted their current seasons with proper endings so as to not leave fans in a lurch.

    I was kind of surprised that Doom Patrol lasted as long as it did. Not because it wasn’t good, quite the opposite: It really delved into with the weirdness of Morrison’s run and didn’t shy away from going as fucking crazy as it could. I’ll miss it, but honestly it’s probably about time to end it anyway and it’s nice to know they’ll be ending it properly.

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  • #105570

    So the first details about the new James Gunn era of DC are coming tomorrow and I’m cautiously optimistic. I’m hoping for a full reboot and a solo G’nort film🤞.

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  • #105585

    DC/Gunn announcement coming any minute, apparently. Seems like people are getting pretty excited about it.

    Not sure how much detail will be revealed at this point but I’d imagine at least the new Superman movie will be confirmed.

    Edit: in fact here it is.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/james-gunn-unveils-dc-slate-batman-superman-1235314176/

    Of those, The Authority movie is perhaps the most exciting to me. It feels like it’s been a long time coming.

    The Brave and the Bold story with Damian should be fun too. (Bit weird that they’re keeping Pattinson AND having a new Batman for the DCU, but okay. Guess DC never lost out by having too much Batman.)

    A Swamp Thing movie sounds promising too. Not sure I care about a Supergirl film, but we’ll see.

    Overall it very much feels like the kind of slate a fan would come up with, rather than a studio exec. I guess we’ll see whether that’s a good thing.

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  • #105587

    Yeah, the decision to have two concurrent Batman movie franchises is a little weird. Also kind of makes ditching Cavill more of a gut punch. Like we can keep Waller and maybe Ezra Miller and have two Batman franchises, but we can’t at least get a proper movie for Cavill as Superman? Not a big deal, but a strange selection of trying to have your cake and eat it too.

    Overall The Authority and Swamp Thing are the big surprises. Everything else isn’t all that unexpected. Which isn’t good or bad.

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  • #105588

    Well, that was a bit of a wet fart of an announcement. It’s basically the same soft reboot shite we’ve had in the comics for years, which never works and just causes confusion.
    Ill be interested to see the new Superman, but keeping any trace of the Snyderverse has doomed this endeavour in my eyes🤷.

  • #105589

    keeping any trace of the Snyderverse has doomed this endeavour in my eyes

    In fairness, the bits of the Snyderverse that are being retained seem to be the successful bits that he wasn’t directly responsible for like Aquaman and Wonder Woman (assuming that the HBO series is set in the same Themyscira as the movies).

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  • #105590

    The io9 write up is interesting. The say that the images they used were sent by DC for each character, so that’s All Star Superman and Morrision’s Batman. I’m interested.

     

    https://gizmodo.com/james-gunn-dc-slate-revealed-batman-superman-green-lant-1850050974

  • #105591

    Is “True Detective in space” really the right approach for a Green Lantern TV show? “Bad Boys in space,” I can see. “Lethal Weapon in space,” I can see. “Tango and Cash in space,” I can see. “Hill Street Blues in space,” I can see.

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  • #105594

    Yeah, the decision to have two concurrent Batman movie franchises is a little weird. Also kind of makes ditching Cavill more of a gut punch. Like we can keep Waller and maybe Ezra Miller and have two Batman franchises, but we can’t at least get a proper movie for Cavill as Superman? Not a big deal, but a strange selection of trying to have your cake and eat it too.

    Correction, 3 Batmen since I’m guessing they’ll keep Midnighter in the Authority…

    Unless they’re not… I’d say I’m hyped up for the Authority buuuuut I’m just gonna wait for that one to get announced and all that, because it could go terribly wrong too.

    And Swamp Thing?? AGAIN?? Man they really want to make that one work huh? :unsure:

    Yeah anyways, that’s kind of a shit announcement all in all… nothing too exciting for me in there save for the Authority and something tells me that’s not gonna happen or it’s gonna be quite different. :unsure:

  • #105596

    The best thing about the Authority film will be the Culture War bullshit about Woke superheroes.

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  • #105597

    I have little faith in Warners nowadays so I’ll reserve  any comment or excitement until we see trailers for any of this stuff. It’s not that I don’t trust Gunn but rather his bosses.

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  • #105599

    It’s not in space, although I get your point.

    Hal Jordan and John Stewart will star in a live-action HBO Max show described as a “True Detective-type mystery” but with superheroes. The Earth-based show will see the two Lanterns who are “basically super cops on precinct Earth” telling a story about some kind of “ancient core” that is crucial to the overall story that the DCU is telling.

    I’m interested, but praying it will be good.
    Hopefully they have the right people on the job.

  • #105600

    It again sounds a bit like the initial Morrison/Sharp approach, making the GL a police procedural with sci-fi/fantasy elements.

    Given the influences on show here, I get the impression Gunn is a big Morrison fan. (I wouldn’t even be that surprised if Morrison got brought in as some kind of advisor or consultant at some point.)

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  • #105621

    Is “True Detective in space” really the right approach for a Green Lantern TV show? “Bad Boys in space,” I can see. “Lethal Weapon in space,” I can see. “Tango and Cash in space,” I can see. “Hill Street Blues in space,” I can see.

    Taggart in space, please.

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  • #105622

    If Richard Belzer shows up as ‘John Munch: Green Lantern’, then I’m ecstatic.

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  • #105623

    Given the influences on show here, I get the impression Gunn is a big Morrison fan. (I wouldn’t even be that surprised if Morrison got brought in as some kind of advisor or consultant at some point.)

    A lot of this seems to be either Morrison- or Tom-King-influenced (Supergirl is based on a Tom King story, and the Lantern/True Detective thing sounds a lot like that, too).

    I think it all sounds pretty great for now, but we will see.

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  • #105637

    Given the influences on show here, I get the impression Gunn is a big Morrison fan. (I wouldn’t even be that surprised if Morrison got brought in as some kind of advisor or consultant at some point.)

    Huh.

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  • #105653

    Is “True Detective in space” really the right approach for a Green Lantern TV show? “Bad Boys in space,” I can see. “Lethal Weapon in space,” I can see. “Tango and Cash in space,” I can see. “Hill Street Blues in space,” I can see.

    God, I hope they really do make it True Detective in space. That’d be awesome.

    Yeah, the decision to have two concurrent Batman movie franchises is a little weird. Also kind of makes ditching Cavill more of a gut punch.

    Well, Reeve’s Batman was incredibly successful, whereas everything connected to Snyder is just trouble.

    Now what would be funny would be if they cast Cavill as Apollo for the Authority movie :)

    Speaking of The Authority, I’m wondering whether Gunn will be directing that one himself. It’d be right up his alley, obviously.

  • #105655

    Is “True Detective in space” really the right approach for a Green Lantern TV show? “Bad Boys in space,” I can see. “Lethal Weapon in space,” I can see. “Tango and Cash in space,” I can see. “Hill Street Blues in space,” I can see.

    Taggart in space, please.

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  • #105663

    God, I hope they really do make it True Detective in space. That’d be awesome.

    NOT in space =P

    Ehhh… honestly it sounds like they’re doing more of the same… I would’ve been more on board with a full reset, but this cherry picking of characters/actors is more like the “course correcting” they’ve been doing since BvS, and we all know how that worked out, so I don’t expect it’ll go smoother this time around.

    Another thing is that, supposedly, what people didn’t like is how “dark” the snyderverse was, right? And this slate looks like it’s gonna veer into “dark” stuff again (and we all know Gunn is rather “dark” too)… I mean he wants to skip to the assassin Robin, he wants a dark Swamp Thing movie, a “GoT-style” amazons show, a “True Detective-style” GL show… all of that shit sounds “dark” and the type of stuff people were crying about. I guess it’ll be interesting to see if people bitch about it too, or if it was always an anti-snyder bias…

    Hey, maybe the inevitable plastering of jokes will make it somehow less “dark” for people? :unsure:

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  • #105668

    Oh also, let’s talk about the Authority a little bit… listen, I’m a fan of the Authority and that whole Wildstorm line and therefore I’m pretty excited to see a movie, but let’s be realistic, they just DON’T work within the DCU, they’ve attempted it a few times, and it’s just shit… not surprisingly, in part because the Authority are DC archetypes used to critizise the characters they’re emulating.

    Also, the Authority is the epitome of “dark, edgy and broody”, once again, the same thing people say they didn’t like about the snyder flicks… and the icing on the cake is that they’re about to introduce a bunch of clones within a single movie, therefore “rushing it” which is another thing people didn’t like…

    So I really have to ask: What’s the thought process with this? What’s the goal, what are they trying to accomplish? Who would such a movie be for? Plus we have to remember that we already have the Boys, which is a “realistic” ultra-violent criticism of SHs already… I dunno, it seems like a misguided movie to make in your “first chapter/phase one” of movies.

    Now, the other option is they just do the Authority in name and change a lot of things… well then what’s the point? I dunno, this is just extremely puzzling and confusing… I’m sure the plan is to have them face-off against a more traditional Supes down the line, to contrast the two philosophies and whatnot… kinda what they tried to do in Black Adam as well, oh remember BA? Yeah he was very Authority-like wasn’t he? The more you think about it, the more redundant, misguided and puzzling it gets.

    It would be better if they saved the Authority for later, much later… and I can say the same thing about Booster Gold… what’s the point of introducing Booster Gold in your first phase? His whole thing is that he’s a fanboy of modern-ers SHs… how is that gonna work when you haven’t really established anything yet? =/

    So yeah, Gunn’s plans are a bit confusing to say the least, and the don’t seem to have a clear direction either, which is something people have also been complaining about, so yeah, to reiterate, I’m really not feeling confident about this whole thing.

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  • #105673

    I might wait until I see any details at all of these projects before dismissing them out of hand. Crazy I know.

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  • #105680

    You might…

  • #105693

    Another thing is that, supposedly, what people didn’t like is how “dark” the snyderverse was, right? And this slate looks like it’s gonna veer into “dark” stuff again (and we all know Gunn is rather “dark” too)… I mean he wants to skip to the assassin Robin, he wants a dark Swamp Thing movie, a “GoT-style” amazons show, a “True Detective-style” GL show… all of that shit sounds “dark” and the type of stuff people were crying about. I guess it’ll be interesting to see if people bitch about it too, or if it was always an anti-snyder bias…

    Okay, two things:

    One, you’re listening to the comics nerds too much. Yes, a lot of those complained about Snyder’s movies being too dark. But general audiences don’t give a shit. The Batman was incredibly dark and people came to see it. What does that tell you? “Dark” was never the problem, it’s just that Snyder’s movies weren’t good (well, I still like Man of Steel, but apart from that…), and weren’t enjoyable. That’s why people didn’t go watch.

    Two, it all depends on the character, doesn’t it? If Snyder had made a bunch of dark Batman movies, nobody would’ve minded. It’s that Superman isn’t supposed to be dark, but bright. And that’s what pissed off the fans. And hey, look, they’re making an All-Star Superman inspired movie, so presumably it’s going to be bright and hopeful and fun.

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  • #105697

    Sooo anti-Snyder bias it is then… gotcha :good:

    Well the whole thing fell with a big thud, so we’ll see… it still all seems all over the place, weird movies to start with and all that. I mean seriously, the Authority… what the fuck are they thinking :unsure:

    Still, I hope they actually do that movie justice, it’s about the only thing I’m interested in from all those announcements, even though I think it’s a terrible, terrible idea to do it now.

    Hopefully that’ll open the doors to an HBO Planetary TV show… one can dream eh?

  • #105698

    Sooo anti-Snyder bias it is then… gotcha

    seriously, the Authority… what the fuck are they thinking

    I hope they actually do that movie justice, it’s about the only thing I’m interested in from all those announcements

    :unsure:

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  • #105700

    Sooo anti-Snyder bias it is then… gotcha

    What, did you really think it had nothing to do with Snyder and the only problem with those movies was that they were “too dark”? In that case, I am glad we cleared that up. Nope, it was that those Snyder movies weren’t very good, and more importantly for Warners, that they didn’t make them the truckload of money that the should have.

    I’ll agree that The Authority is a strange choice at this point, especially if they’re using this “first chapter” to set up their new shared universe. The Authority would’ve been a more obvious choice further down the road, maybe even as villains of a sort.

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  • #105705

    …Hopefully that’ll open the doors to an HBO Planetary TV show

    Yes, I could get behind that. Since we’re dreaming nice things (and we are a lot closer than we were last year) I’ll add a Sleeper show.

    Maybe a Stormwatch prelude show could set up Authority, Planetary, Sleeper, and dare I say Team Achilles?

  • #105706

    You can practically do anything and cite DC Comics, from:

    Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman as a trio of friends

    To:

    “Hi, I’m your new supervillain.  To manage expectations I’ve killed and dismembered your girlfriend and left her body parts in your fridge. ‘K, ‘bye “

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  • #105711

    Maybe a Stormwatch prelude show could set up Authority, Planetary, Sleeper, and dare I say Team Achilles?

    Not that it’ll ever happen, but a Stormwatch TV show loosely based on Ellis’ run would be the best thing ever.

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  • #105712

    Yeah, just do Wildstorm as a separate superhero universe and base the stories on the late 90s-late 2000s golden age.

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  • #105716

    I’ll agree that The Authority is a strange choice at this point, especially if they’re using this “first chapter” to set up their new shared universe. The Authority would’ve been a more obvious choice further down the road, maybe even as villains of a sort.

    Well I saw a youtuber speculate that they’ll use the Authority in-lieu of the Elite and it’s a build up to Superman vs the Authority… which would absolutely blow, even if it makes sense, so yeah it’s possible they’re going the “villains” or at least antagonists route, but man, I’m fairly sure most everyone would rather Supes fought his villain gallery… people have been asking for Brainiac for a loooooong time now.

    I really wish they’d keep the Authority separate as they’re doing with THE batman and Joker, because yeah, at this point a Wildstorm-verse sounds a lot more appealing…. so again, I want to be excited by it, but I have this nagging feeling it’s gonna be ass. Specially if they use them as jobbers for Superman.

  • #105718

    We don’t really know anything about how they’ll be presented or used yet.

    If they do share the DCU with the classic DC icons, then I could see them being set up as a more politically aware super-team with more of a willingness to disrupt the status quo rather than preserve it like the JLA, which could lead to some genuinely interesting ideological conflict with the traditional DC heroes.

    No reason why it couldn’t work well.

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  • #105728

    Well I saw a youtuber speculate that they’ll use the Authority in-lieu of the Elite and it’s a build up to Superman vs the Authority… which would absolutely blow, even if it makes sense, so yeah it’s possible they’re going the “villains” or at least antagonists route, but man, I’m fairly sure most everyone would rather Supes fought his villain gallery… people have been asking for Brainiac for a loooooong time now.

    Oh, if they do go down the conflict route, I wouldn’t expect that to happen until a few years further down the road. In fact, it might be a good idea for the Authority to not be focused on Earth for the first movies, but rather to have them be more of a galactic/inter-dimensional team. I mean, it’d make sense given that two of the three arcs of the original run were focused on extra-dimensional or space alien invasions. They could just turn around the order of things and do the stuff on Earth later, and have a conflict with the more traditional heroes grow from that. (Yes, this is all very idle speculation indeed, but why the hell not.) If they were treated as a space/dimensional travel team, the movies could have a sort of Guardians vibe, which is probably something people would like to see from a Gunn-led DC universe. And that’d allow The Authority to stand on their own and not contrast too much with the other DC heroes too much.

    And I wouldn’t worry about Superman – I expect Legacy will very much be about him fighting his villains.

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  • #105731

    And I wouldn’t worry about Superman – I expect Legacy will very much be about him fighting his villains.

    We’ll see to what extent it’s influenced by All-Star Superman I guess. That run was quite memorable for not featuring many villains that could be defeated with a fight, but showed feats of a different kind.

    I doubt they’ll end the movie the way All-Star ended, for obvious reasons, but that kind of Twelve Tasks Of Superman structure could be cool for a change from the hero-vs-villain model.

  • #105733

    DC have finally put out a trailer for a superhero movie I really want to see:

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  • #105738

    DC have finally put out a trailer for a superhero movie I really want to see:

    I don’t know; I feel like we’ve seen this all before, nothing really new here. :-)

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