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Why do they call him “Flash star”? As far as I know, there is no movie called “Flash” that he has starred in
He’s just very ostentatious in flaunting his wealth.
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who can be both hero or villain depending on the story.
Pretty much… he’s become an “anti-villain” I suppose… the more apt comparison I can think of is actually Doom 2099, but yeah, Namor is also probably a good pick.
Anyhoo, Sean already posted some of the interesting tidbits, here’s the THR article:
Seems now that Hamada’s gone things are gonna start moving again… the most important news for me here is MOS2 with Cavill… FINALLY. I don’t even care if Snyder’s involved or not (though it’d be nice in terms of visuals), I’m just glad Cavill is back as Supes. I really hope we get a Batfleck announcement soon as well. Let’s hope WB’s rough patch is over, it’s a fuckin disgrace they let it go so much to shit these past 6-8 years…
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Is Black Adam a hero? I genuinely don’t know much about the character but I always got the impression he was a bit of a Namor-like dickish type who can be both hero or villain depending on the story.
He’s not a hero to me, but I got the impression DC had re-positioned him as such in the comics. In the recent Legion vs. JLA (oh goody, more fights between DC heroes, except in this case they didn’t actually fight because clearly nobody had told Bendis what the title of the comic was) he was a member of the JLA.
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James Gunn Is Secretly Working on Another DC Movie – IGN
Perhaps the Thomas Wayne biopic with Billy Bob Thornton?
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James Gunn Is Secretly Working on Another DC Movie – IGN
Perhaps the Thomas Wayne biopic with Billy Bob Thornton?
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Is Black Adam a hero? I genuinely don’t know much about the character but I always got the impression he was a bit of a Namor-like dickish type who can be both hero or villain depending on the story.
He’s not a hero to me, but I got the impression DC had re-positioned him as such in the comics. In the recent Legion vs. JLA (oh goody, more fights between DC heroes, except in this case they didn’t actually fight because clearly nobody had told Bendis what the title of the comic was) he was a member of the JLA.
Johns really shoved him into the anti-hero role way back in his JSA run and it stayed that way until the end. All through Infinite Crsis and 52. Then they put him on ice, well stone. Sounds like he got brought back.
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Henry Cavill Officially Announces His Superman’s Return – With a Promise – CBR
Following the highly-anticipated release of Black Adam, actor Henry Cavill officially announces his return as the DCEU’s one and only Superman.
Following the highly-anticipated release of Black Adam and its reintroduction of the Man of Steel, actor Henry Cavill has officially announced his return as the DCEU’s Superman.
On social media, Cavill shared an image of himself in costume as the iconic superhero, writing, “A very small taste of what’s to come, my friends. The dawn of hope renewed. Thank you for your patience, it will be rewarded.” In addition, the post included a video in which the actor stated, “I wanted to make it official that I am back as Superman.”
In the run up to Black Adam’s release, actor and producer Dwayne Johnson and Hiram Garcia teased long-term plans for Superman. Garcia previously stated, “We really want to craft a long form of storytelling and show that these two characters exist in the same universe and are going to have to deal with each other often, either on the same or opposite sides. Hopefully, they’re going to clash at some point, but it’s not just about a ‘one fight’ situation. That was never our dream.”
Furthermore, recent reports suggest Warner Bros. Discovery is already working on a sequel to 2013’s Man of Steel, with Cavill attached. However, it should be noted the studio has not officially confirmed these plans. The project is reportedly searching for writers to pen the script.
What Took Henry Cavill So Long?
Prior to Black Adam, there was plenty of uncertainty surrounding Cavill’s Superman. Following 2017’s Justice League, there were no appearances and virtually no mentions of Superman in the projects released after and no references to the DCEU of old. It was recently reported this was due to former Warner Bros. Pictures exec Toby Emmerich, who felt Cavill and his team would not co-operate with the studio. This stemmed from an appearance in Shazam!, which Cavill’s manager argued would count as one of the actor’s contractually obligated appearances. Emmerich supposedly responded, “Henry Cavill is now persona non grata, he’s not gonna play ball with the studio? He will never be Superman again.”
It was Johnson who ultimately managed to bring Cavill back for Black Adam, seemingly aided by the reshuffling at Warner Bros. Discovery that has taken place over the last few months. Emmerich stepped down earlier this summer and, while former DC Films president Walter Hamada was against including Cavill in Black Adam, Johnson was able to appeal to Warner Bros. Pictures co-CEOs Michael De Luca and Pam Abdy.
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Isn’t he already confirmed for the Flash movie?
Don’t know where that movie is at… yes, he’s supposed to be in that movie, at one point he was supposed to die in it or something, but then they changed their mind… that shit’s changed so much that it’s hard to keep track of… He’s also supposed to have shot a scene for Aquaman 2, but who the fuck knows… anyways, I’m not talking cameos, I’m talking a full Batfleck movie… that’s what I want… the Batfleck/Deathstroke movie… that’d be neat.
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How James Gunn & Peter Safran Landed Top Spots At DC Studios – Deadline
James Gunn, Peter Safran Named As New Heads Of DC Studios – Forbes
______________________________________________________DC Shocker: James Gunn, Peter Safran to Lead Film, TV and Animation Division (Exclusive) – Hollywood Reporter
The duo will report to David Zaslav and assume the title of co-chairs and co-CEOs of DC Studios.The hierarchy of power in the DC universe really is changing.
In a stunning turn of events, filmmaker James Gunn and producer Peter Safran have been tapped to lead DC’s film, TV and animation efforts as co-chairs and co-CEOs of DC Studios, a newly formed division at Warner Bros. that will replace DC Films.
The unprecedented move, in which a top director will assume a top executive post, marks the end of a months-long search by Warner Bros. Discovery CEO David Zaslav to replace DC Films boss Walter Hamada, who departed the studio last week. That search had all of Hollywood guessing and playing executive bingo for who would land one of the most coveted — and challenging — jobs in town.
In recent weeks, Gunn and Safran were spotted on the Warner Bros. lot, meeting with Warners film co-chair Michael De Luca about future projects. And according to sources, the initial overture to Safran and Gunn came from De Luca over the summer, even as the studio was in shaky talks with producer Dan Lin to take the job.
Gunn will focus on the creative side of things, while Safran will focus on the business and production side. Both are expected to continue to direct and produce projects, respectively. They will report directly to Zaslav and work closely with Warners film bosses De Luca and Pamela Abdy. Sources say the deal runs four years and Gunn will be exclusive to DC. The goal is for them not just to be producers, but to truly function as executives even as Gunn will occasionally hone a movie.
Unlike Marvel Studios, DC has multiple films set in separate creative universes, and according to sources, Joker filmmaker Todd Phillips’ work on the upcoming sequel, which goes into production later this year, will not fall under Gunn and Safran’s purview and instead will be overseen by De Luca and Abdy. Matt Reeves, who worked under Hamada, has a budding universe based on his The Batman movie. It is unclear under whose purview Reeves’ future projects would fall, but everything else moving forward would be under Gunn and Safran’s.
“DC has among the most entertaining, powerful, and iconic characters in the world and I am thrilled to have the singular and complementary talents of James and Peter joining our world-class team and overseeing the creative direction of the storied DC Universe,” said Zaslav in a statement. “Their decades of experience in filmmaking, close ties to the creative community, and proven track record thrilling superhero fans around the globe make them uniquely qualified to develop a long-term strategy across film, TV, and animation, and take this iconic franchise to the next level of creative storytelling.”
Gunn is one of the more respected minds in the world of comic book filmmaking. He came up in the indie film space and became an A-list director in 2014 with Marvel Studios’ Guardians of the Galaxy and its 2017 sequel. He jumped to DC in 2018 to develop The Suicide Squad after rival Marvel fired him as director of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3. (The studio later reinstated him, and that project is due out in May 2023.) His DC foray The Suicide Squad was critically adored and spawned the hit HBO Max spinoff Peacemaker, starring John Cena. Gunn is currently working on a second season.
Safran came up as a manager, where Gunn was among his clients, and is fully enmeshed in the world of DC as producer of the $1 billion-grossing Aquaman and its upcoming sequel, as well as Squad, Peacemaker and Shazam! and its sequel. His relationship with Warners extends back 10 years and includes the $2 billion Conjuring horror franchise. The Safran Company recently re-upped its production deal with Warners.
Gunn and Safran will work with top execs at WBD, including TV boss Channing Dungey; HBO and HBO Max’s Casey Bloys; US Networks Group chair and chief content officer Kathleen Finch; consumer products chief Pam Lifford; and Warner Interactive Entertainment’s David Haddad. DC Studios will share resources across the company.
“We’re honored to be the stewards of these DC characters we’ve loved since we were children,” Gunn and Safran said in a statement. “We look forward to collaborating with the most talented writers, directors, and actors in the world to create an integrated, multilayered universe that still allows for the individual expression of the artists involved. Our commitment to Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Harley Quinn, and the rest of the DC stable of characters is only equaled by our commitment to the wonder of human possibility these characters represent. We’re excited to invigorate the theatrical experience around the world as we tell some of the biggest, most beautiful, and grandest stories ever told.”
The move comes at a seismic moment for the DC, which for the past four years has been led by Hamada under the DC Films banner. The executive departed amid friction with new Warners leadership under Zaslav, who made the controversial decision to axe HBO Max-bound film Batgirl in August and has vowed to reshape DC with a 10-year plan as it seeks to compete with rival Marvel Studios. Even though Zaslav talked about finding a Kevin Feige-style executive, over the summer the team started looking at emulating the Pixar model, in which you have producers and filmmakers working as executives. That has never been tried in the live-action space.
DC released Black Adam over the weekend, which stars Dwayne Johnson and featured Superman actor Henry Cavill’s return to the DC universe, and next up has Shazam! Fury of the Gods, out in March.
As for Gunn’s future at Marvel, there has been talk that he could continue on in some form after the conclusion of his Guardians of the Galaxy trilogy. However, today’s news, which comes hours after Marvel touted its upcoming Gunn-directed Guardians holiday special, seems to have closed the door on his chapter in the MCU.
The hiring is effective Nov. 1, and comes as De Luca and Abdy have been making creative decisions and overseeing postproduction on everything from The Flash to Aquaman and The Lost Kingdom since taking over their posts in early July.
“We could not be more excited to have James Gunn and Peter Safran join the team and assume the leadership of the DC Universe,” De Luca and Abdy said in a statement. “James is a brilliant filmmaker and storyteller and Peter is a tremendously successful and prolific producer and to have them both committing to work together to forge this new era for DC is a literal dream come true. We all share a very similar sensibility and passion for this universe and the stars couldn’t have aligned any better. We can’t wait to get started, dig in, and collaborate with these unmatched creative minds.”
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Interesting. I feel like Gunn’s stuff at DC has had more life in it than Guardians 2 did, so I’m not unhappy about this.
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Yeah, I’m not so sure this will end up being good, but eh… we’ll see… I just want my cavill and batfleck movies and I’m good.
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I would rather they moved on from Cavill and all things Snyderverse related and just started with a fresh slate. Heck, we’re onto our fifth prime minister since Man Of Steel came out.
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I would rather they moved on from Cavill and all things Snyderverse related and just started with a fresh slate. Heck, we’re onto our fifth prime minister since Man Of Steel came out.
And our third Batman.
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I would rather they moved on from Cavill and all things Snyderverse related and just started with a fresh slate. Heck, we’re onto our fifth prime minister since Man Of Steel came out.
Oh, it must be Wednesday, then…
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Just this once, maybe they should focus on making ONE good movie NOW, rather than focus on how the characters from different movies will interact five movies down the line…
Hey, come on now, let’s not get carried away with being sensible.
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Just this once, maybe they should focus on making ONE good movie NOW, rather than focus on how the characters from different movies will interact five movies down the line…
HOW DARE YOU SPEAK SUCH HERESY?!?!
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Just this once, maybe they should focus on making ONE good movie NOW, rather than focus on how the characters from different movies will interact five movies down the line…
That’s CRAZY talk!!!
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I’m glad we have Cavill back. I thought he was great as Superman but wasn’t given nearly enough good material to be the Superman that’s recognizable to comic fans. There was a lot of scowling and overall “I don’t want to do this” vibe from his Superman in BvS which was entirely because of how Superman was written. He did mention that he was excited to play an enormously joyful Superman. I think that’s a step in the right direction. We can move forward from the Snyderverse. Heck, he’s working with Matt Vaughn for Argylle. Maybe they can team up again for Superman. Man of Steel 2: Electric Bluegaloo?
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Nah it’s just Warners/DC are fucking useless.
It’s nothing necessarily to do with the quality of the product, I hear it is okay, they have a big star lead. Nobody cares, nobody is talking about it.
I have two kids aged 11 and 13, they spend half their day on Youtube like all their friends do and they never asked me to take them to see Black Adam, they have already asked for Wakanda Forever. DC marketing is terrible, they have no pattern or clue to what they are doing.
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I saw a lot of social media ads for the movie. Other than that, I couldn’t tell.
Yeah maybe, I dunno… on the other hand the Rock is kinda oversatruated at this point, and more importantly, it’s a Black Adam movie… it’s not the most famous character, to put it mildly. Shazam didn’t make bank either. I think the problem here is more the budget rather than the final take, whatever it is. Betting 200 mil (plus marketing, which is probably another hundo at least) on Black Adam was always gonna end up badly, imo…
Yeah, Shazam had half the budget so its making around 300 mil was fine. I suppose with The Rock attached, they wanted to go big? And maybe they were hoping for the kind of thing that happened with Venom, a lesser-known villain blowing up.
But you do have a point. Why they made this movie instead of another Superman is anyone’s guess.
Outside of Batman, Warners really have no clue how to make money off superheroes, it has to be said. Well, they had no clue. They’ve switched strategies, after all, and decided to put it all into the hands of, uh, a director whose DC movie also was a box office dud…
(Well, in theatres it was, but with covid and whatnot, who the hell knows and apparently it was a dual release and performed great on streaming, so that may have been why they saw it as a success.)1 user thanked author for this post.
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I saw commercials for the movie, so it’s not like it wasn’t advertised.
I think part of the issue is advertising is ever more personalised nowadays. Somehow DC didn’t get this in front of superhero movie mad youngsters and Marvel got theirs in.
It’s maybe not so much what you spend but how you spend it. Yes of course these things are always very anecdotal but from what I am used to with the demographic all was quiet on the Black Adam front.
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a relatively unknown character
This is the big thing that stands out for me, going all the way back to when The Rock as Black Adam was first mooted ages ago. Nobody cares who he is outside of Geoff Johns and like 800 die-hard DC fans. And sure, people were predicting Guardians of the Galaxy would be a flop because nobody knew who they were, but Marvel had already built up a good rep with both nerds and cinemagoers at that point, and the DCEU… hasn’t. There could be… say a G’Nort and Oberon road movie that’s better than Citizen Kane, and sod all people will go to see it because they won’t take a risk on characters they’re unfamiliar with from a franchise that hasn’t earned their trust
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I think they realised their marketing was bombing and that’s why the entire marketing strategy shifted to promoting a 5 second Superman appearance in the final week.
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And sure, people were predicting Guardians of the Galaxy would be a flop because nobody knew who they were, but Marvel had already built up a good rep with both nerds and cinemagoers at that point, and the DCEU… hasn’t.
I mean, Guardians also just stood out. The trailer was great and this was clearly a movie with such vibrancy and a great sense of fun. Whereas Black Adam just came across as both bleak and by the numbers.
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Titus Welliver on Crafting a Lex Luthor Fit for ‘Titans’ – The Hollywood Reporter
The actor discusses how he shaped a new version of the villain, including his Einstein and ‘Jaws’ influences, as well as the significance of Superman’s absence for both the show and Superboy.
[This story contains spoilers for the premiere episode of Titans season four “Lex Luthor.”]
Click link for story. Yes, very spoilery…
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Following news that #HenryCavill will be returning as #Superman, @thisiscarlosb chats with #Aquaman himself, #JasonMomoa, who teases that his "dream" DC project is currently in the works: "Stay tuned"👀 https://t.co/v7ySfrMbOZ pic.twitter.com/I9TnnmW4LO
— ET Canada (@ETCanada) November 7, 2022
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RIP Kevin Conroy:
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Still the best Batman and the actor whose voice I think we all associate with the character whenever we read comic books.
R.I.P. Kevin Conroy
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We’ve lost two of the definitive Batman actors: Adam West and now Kevin.
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Well, on the plus side it’s not the Bendis Legion.
But, Batman?
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I’m still hoping Gunn will just start again from scratch with a new universe. The basic foundation is so weak that I don’t see how they can build compelling stories on what they have now. And it seems like even the hard core DC fanboys aren’t turning up to support the Rock or their precious Cavill.
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And it seems like even the hard core DC fanboys aren’t turning up to support the Rock or their precious Cavill.
I think the hardcore probably still are, but they’re only a small part of the audience. The problem is that the DC movies clearly aren’t capturing the imagination of the wider movie-going public.
A fresh start would be nice, but my guess is that Flashpoint is going to introduce a more explicit multiverse approach that will allow them to have their cake and eat it in terms of retaining existing casting like Cavill (who seems fairly certain to stick around) while moving forward with new approaches for other characters.
And as long as the movies are good, that’s fine with me, I don’t care too much about the continuity specifics. Even successful movie reboots like Bond’s Casino Royale maintained some links to the past (like Dench as M) and managed to make the fudge work.
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There was an amusing Twitter thread yesterday complaining about woke DC sabotaging themselves by insisting on pushing their masculanist agenda with these male-led film that nobody wants to see.
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I think the hardcore probably still are, but they’re only a small part of the audience.
I’d go so far as to say they’re an insignificant part of the audience. If the monthly comics-reading public is, say 300,000 people in the US, then every one of them paying $10 to see a movie is 3 million dollars. Which is, according to my corner of a napkin maths… less than the 400 million estimated for Black Adam to break even.
Now, my 300,000 estimate is entirely pulled out of my ass, assuming that the top monthly comics are selling 100,000-150,000 and then trying to account for all the people who but comics but not the most popular one. But it shows the difference in scale between the income needed to make a profit on a blockbuster movie and to sell some comics. You’d need 40 million people who are willing to go watch any Superhero movie at all at least once to guarantee a movie breaking even on that level of “hardcore fan”
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Now, my 300,000 estimate is entirely pulled out of my ass, assuming that the top monthly comics are selling 100,000-150,000 and then trying to account for all the people who but comics but not the most popular one.
But then you also have to account for the people who buy multiple variant covers of each issue. So maybe bring it down to 200,000, or $2m in cinema receipts at $10 a ticket.
Which means that all they need to do is see Black Adam 200 times each at the cinema to make it a success. Simple!
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The Rock’s success as a box office draw has been driven by aligning himself with the right properties at the right time – namely Fast & Furious (shiny cars go boom!) and Jumanji (something for everyone). Other stuff like Jungle Cruise, Skyscraper, Rampage, San Andreas and Hercules came and went without anyone paying attention or clamouring for sequels. Even Baywatch didn’t gain traction in the era of internet porn. His name alone is not enough to generate significant interest in things that are not inherently over to some degree themselves, which another middling superhero movie about an unknown, non-Marvel character is decidedly not.
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Why would anyone expect Cavill fans to fuckin show up for a 10 second cameo (that was immediatly spread everywhere) in a movie about a C-list character at best, and a villain at that, that most people have never heard about??? What’s this type of assinine logic?
The problem with Black Adam, well, again, it’s the character himself… he should’ve at least been introduced in the Shazam movie first to catch that audience, but even then, BA is a rather obscure character, he ain’t the joker… wasting all that budget on such a character was just plain stupid from the get go. It was clearly a vanity project for the Rock, who despite being very well liked, has mostly starred in bland mediocre movies outside of the F&F franchise… the kind of movies people wait to watch at home, basically.
The problem is DC movies has been run by imbeciles for about a decade now… what’s the next one? Fuckin Blue Beetle? Watch as that one flops at the BO too, because no one knows or cares about Blue Beetle… I can’t wait for people to also blame the fans for not showing up or whatever dumb bs argument comes next.
Why are they making movies about Black Adam and Blue Beetle and Batgirl when there hasn’t been a Superman movie in 10 years? When they’ve been pushing the Flash movie for about half a decade now? When they’ve been so inpet at relaunching the GL franchise?
And let’s hope Gunn isn’t a complete moron who lets his love for obscure characters take over, because we’re in for the same bullshit…
And all of this because some dumbshit execs caved to the overblown social media panic after BvS.
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And all of this because some dumbshit execs caved to the overblown social media panic after BvS.
No, it’s because Man of Steel and BvS both underperformed and they realised they needed to change course, but struggled without a coherent vision for their line that could replace the failed Snyder direction.
There have been some good DC movies, but in terms of a solid overarching plan they’ve consistently fallen short. If anything, that’s what I hope Gunn will bring to DC movies.
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Yeah, BvS was a critical flop with a lukewarm audience reaction and disappointing box office. That a movie featuring Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman could cross the billion dollar mark during peak superhero movie times is pretty dire.
And I know the Snyder cut of JL was well received by a number of people, but if you honestly believe that a 2 hour version of the Snyder cut would have vastly out performed the Whedon version we got, then let me introduce you to an African Prince I met online. He says he an make us a lot of money.
Snyders version might have been a slightly more coherent movie, but only barely. And it would have been a dark, dour slog that wouldn’t have had the benefit of 4 hours to flesh a lot of the movie out. Also, quite frankly, while I support Ray Fisher in his “Joss Whedon is a POS” campaign, Cyborg was one of the worst things about the whole thing. I actually firmly believe that test audiences did not like the character at all.
Thats not to say WB execs aren’t terrible. They clearly are. But they’ve always felt that way. Their reaction to disappointing box office for Snyder superhero movies weren’t very unreasonable.
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Yeah, BvS was a critical flop with a lukewarm audience reaction and disappointing box office.
Because it isn’t very good. I say that as a general fan of Man of Steel, the second half is too much of a smashfest but the first is really good.
I watched BvS with my kids in a hotel, they were confused why heroes were fighting and fell asleep. Maybe that’s their fault but to make a billion dollars you have to hit a 4 quadrant audience. If you rely on just comics fans or specific fans of the director you have to shrink the budget.
This can be a difficult concept to parse, that often material we love is not financially viable, we all have favourite comics series or TV shows axed and as much as it angers us thee is always a bottom line. Speaking to Sanjay he admitted the last 2 Avengers movies were so expensive they needed $1bn global box office to break even, they did that and more. Whether you love or hate those movies these aren’t arthouse productions supported by the national Arts Council. They don’t make a profit, they stop.
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Speaking to Sanjay he admitted the last 2 Avengers movies were so expensive they needed $1bn global box office to break even,
It was the same with BvS too. It sounds ridiculous to say that a film that makes almost a billion dollars is a financial disappointment but given how much they’re spending on these things that’s how much they need to make.
Really I’d suggest that part of the problem lies there, these ridiculously inflated budgets are often excessive and unnecessary. Maybe Gunn with his background in low-budget filmmaking can have some influence reining in the finances too.
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In the first big bold move by the new heads of DC, James Gunn and Peter Safran, Deadline has confirmed that they’ve put the kibosh on Patty Jenkins’ treatment of Wonder Woman 3. The filmmaker was expected to hand in a screenplay we understand, and instead the new bosses got pieces of paper which just weren’t suitable.
All of this goes down a day after a curious tweet from Wonder Woman Gal Gadot who thanks fans for playing the femme superhero, telling them “Can’t wait to share her next chapter with you”
It’s an obvious sign that Gunn and Safran are wanting to start anew, and clear the Warner Bros. decks of the previous Zack Snyder-designed DC franchises. What’s next? A complete recasting of key DC superheroes? That said, the duo haven’t made it known to studio insiders what their grand design is for other DC characters. This take on Wonder Woman 3 just wasn’t suitable at this time.
One source close to the situation told Deadline that Jenkins could very well hand in another take on the superhero, but that’s not evident that will happen.
There was loose talk out there that talks broke down with Henry Cavill to reprise Superman, despite his Instagram announcement to return before Safran and Gunn took the top job, however, there’s no script or director or greenlight for that the next Man of Steel movie. There are staffers at Warners who remain in the dark as to what Gunn and Safran’s grand design is, however, they’re focusing squarely on story and how the movies will interconnect with TV series.
Wonder Woman 3 was promptly announced in the wake of the theatrical day-and-date bombing of Wonder Woman 1984. Warners held the movie through the pandemic, but decided to go theatrical and on HBO Max at Christmas 2020; the first title in the Jason Kilar run WarnerMedia HBO Max dynamic window experiment. While the first Wonder Woman in 2017 was a box office revolution for a movie directed by a female earning over $822M, the sequel was greatly panned at 58% Rotten on Rotten Tomatoes and a B+ Cinemascore to the first chapter’s A. This despite the fact that it was shackled at the box office by major markets LA and NYC cinemas closed due to Covid. Wonder Woman 1984 made under $170M WW, with under $47M stateside.
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Release the Shortercut!!!
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A rumor I saw was that Jason Momoa would stop playing Aquaman and start doing Lobo.
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The problem with Black Adam, well, again, it’s the character himself… he should’ve at least been introduced in the Shazam movie first to catch that audience, but even then, BA is a rather obscure character, he ain’t the joker… wasting all that budget on such a character was just plain stupid from the get go. It was clearly a vanity project for the Rock, who despite being very well liked, has mostly starred in bland mediocre movies outside of the F&F franchise… the kind of movies people wait to watch at home, basically.
I guess they were probably hoping for some of that anti-hero money that Venom and Deadpool got. And there is no reason why that wouldn’t work – the character being hithero unknown isn’t necessarily a reason why the movie wouldn’t take off. If it was, you know, a good movie and didn’t look like something you’ve seen a thousand times before now.
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I guess they were probably hoping for some of that anti-hero money that Venom and Deadpool got. And there is no reason why that wouldn’t work – the character being hithero unknown isn’t necessarily a reason why the movie wouldn’t take off. If it was, you know, a good movie and didn’t look like something you’ve seen a thousand times before now.
Except Deadpool had a 60 mil budget, not 200… and Venom is a much more known character (and Sony are also imbeciles anyways). I’m not saying it wouldn’t have worked, I’m saying spending all that money was crazy in the first place, but yeah, the movie isn’t particularly good, which didn’t help, but it’s not worse than Venom if we’re being honest.
It feels like some sort of social media fan campaign is in order.
Why? We got even more than we hoped for…
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Dave wrote:
It feels like some sort of social media fan campaign is in order.Why? We got even more than we hoped for…
Dave, I keep telling you it’s important to include that WINKY emoji in your posts!
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I don’t care about where movies are leading. I want them to be good movies.
I don’t either… but a good amount of people do and if they don’t think a movie is “important” they won’t bother… that was kinda the recipe for the MCU’s success. Do you think Captain Marvel would’ve made a billion without it being sandwiched between IW and Endgame?
Then there’s the matter of hype, which I’m sure has been hurting a lot of smaller DC movies (and by smaller I mean non-Batman movies), it’s been such a mess for the past decade and it’s clear that there’s no direction and nothing to look forward to, so I’m sure that plays a lot into the general “feeling” towards DC projects. Sure, Batman’s gonna Batman, always, but that’s not gonna apply to other franchises.
Also, considering the absolute disaster DC has been… who’s gonna have faith in a relaunch at this point when things could change in a couple years yet again at the first sign of trouble? Because if we’ve learnt ONE thing about it all is that WB execs are skittish as hell. Why invest your time, money and interest?
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New idea – merge with Hallmark and make every DC movie a Christmas movie!
Guaranteed airtime every year, it’ll pay off eventually.
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I don’t care about where movies are leading. I want them to be good movies.
That’s crazy talk. Like most people, whenever I book a ticket to see a superhero movie I only show up five minutes before the end so I can see the post-credit scene without having to bother with the rest of it.
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That’s crazy talk. Like most people, whenever I book a ticket to see a superhero movie I only show up five minutes before the end so I can see the post-credit scene without having to bother with the rest of it.
THAT’S crazy talk. Most people wait until the next day and watch a really bad pirated copy of the post-credit scene on YouTube.
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Also, seeing all theese articles, one thing WB/DC need ASAP(!!!) is a communication team or something to 1) manage their messaging and narratives obviously and 2) start keeping a tighter ship over there ’cause oh boy, that ship leaks like a motherfucker.
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Try making some $60m movies maybe , Deadpool looked fine for me.
Well, there was Joker, which is probably the most successful DC movie to date.
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So now Cavill is apparently not returning as Superman. WB/DC are always an absolute clusterfuck in the way they approach business. I can’t imagine it ever changing.
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So now Cavill is apparently not returning as Superman. WB/DC are always an absolute clusterfuck in the way they approach business. I can’t imagine it ever changing.
I’m actually going to blame Dwayne Johnson for this. He seems to be the one who bigged up the Superman return, apparently without checking with the new people in charge that they still planned to use Cavill.
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