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I really like Rachel Brosnahan, she’ll be a great tough Lois. Don’t really know the guy but he has that Superman look I guess🤷♂️. But it all means nothing if Warner Brothers can’t get there shit together with these films.
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Brosnahan is perfect casting. I’ve only seen Corenswet in one movie, but he certainly has the look. Here’s hoping Gunn can deliver a good Superman movie. I’ve been waiting decades for one of those.
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Nic Cage loses out again
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I see Corenswet is in Pearl, which i do want to see but haven’t yet.
He’s also in the HBO series We Own This City, but I cant place it.
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I see Corenswet is in Pearl, which i do want to see but haven’t yet.
He’s also in the HBO series We Own This City, but I cant place it.
Recommended viewing if you haven’t seen.Get to Know New Superman David Corenswet by Streaming These 3 TV Shows
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Get to Know New Superman David Corenswet by Streaming These 3 TV Shows
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So it’s Miles Teller then?🤔
Correct.
Miles Teller will play Lois Lane.
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yes, I believe Gunn and his Cohorts are just waiting to box up all these movies and start up their multiverse. His Waller is a better villain than retread Zod or whatever villain BA had(already forgotten). His Squad and Peacemaker will probably make it into whatever universe he builds. If he builds a universe at all, that is.
But his SQ and PM were tied to the Snyderverse… shouldn’t he scrap that shit too?
Also, meh, I have zero interest in Superman if they’re just going back to boring nostalgia Reeve-like Superman… aaand I’m not sure a lot of people will show up for something like that… they seem to have forgotten that Superman is kinda fuckin boring and is a hard sell.
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Flash tanking is actually pretty weird and I suppose the main thing here really is that Ezra Miller is a bad choice as a leading man for a big superhero action movie. And I don’t even mean because of the scandals and all that, but simply because he isn’t the kind of leading man that people like to see. At least that’s what I think makes the difference compared to Aquaman or even the first Wonder Woman, both of which were pretty generic superhero movies with some visual flair. Don’t underestimate charismatic leads. Miller’s Flash is a good side character, but he’s not right to carry a movie. And you can’t compensate that by putting Batmen in as side characters.
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I watched the first two episodes of My Adventures with Superman and rapidly came to the conclusion that I’m not the target audience for this show. This felt geared for Gen Z. It came across as an attempt to make Superman accessible to a younger generation. I struggled to get through both episodes. I’m not going to keep up with it.
I do find it a bit odd they’ve put it late at night in the Adult Swim block. It feels out of place there.
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‘Superman Legacy’ Casts Nathan Fillion as Classic DC Hero
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Fillion is going to be a great Guy though.
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I watched the first two episodes of My Adventures with Superman and rapidly came to the conclusion that I’m not the target audience for this show. This felt geared for Gen Z. It came across as an attempt to make Superman accessible to a younger generation. I struggled to get through both episodes. I’m not going to keep up with it.
I do find it a bit odd they’ve put it late at night in the Adult Swim block. It feels out of place there.
By comparison I really enjoyed episode 1 (not watched 2 yet), I found it very sweet and charming and a lot of fun. It is very anime though and I can see that being a turn off when applied to western comics characters. Like Marvel’s anime adaptations and Batman Ninja all have mixed responses.
(Edit to add), my understanding of it being on Adult Swim is that it was planned to be on a different WBD-owned channel but some decision was made and production was far enough along that they decided to still air the show, just on Adult Swim instead.
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Throwing in Hawkgirl, Guy Gardner, and Mister Terrific in the first movie already sounds like a mistake.
My hope is they’re mostly glorified cameos to help illustrate that this new universe already has a large collection of established heroes.
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And the cast of heroes gets a little bigger:
‘Superman: Legacy’ Nabs ‘Barry’ Star Anthony Carrigan as DC Hero Metamorpho (Exclusive)
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Wait, wasn’t introducing a bunch of characters too quickly one of the things people bitch about BvS???
Well I guess Gunn will keep casting his family & friends… yay.
Also, wow yeah, Hawkgirl, Guy, Mr Terrific & Metamorpho… so exciting can’t waizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz….
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Also, wow yeah, Hawkgirl, Guy, Mr Terrific & Metamorpho… so exciting can’t waizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz….
Out of curiousity, Jon: excluding characters we’ve already seen in previous DC films, what characters would you prefer that Gunn add to the DCEU?
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Wait, wasn’t introducing a bunch of characters too quickly one of the things people bitch about BvS???
I don’t think so where BvS was concerned, but yes, it was definitely a gripe with JL.
But personally, I wouldn’t want Gunn to go back and start with a world without superheroes and a Superman origin story – do another Man of Steel or Batman Begins, basically. I’d rather have a new superhero universe ready in the new movies. I’d guess the same will go for Batman & Robin.
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Wait, wasn’t introducing a bunch of characters too quickly one of the things people bitch about BvS???
Well I guess Gunn will keep casting his family & friends… yay.
Also, wow yeah, Hawkgirl, Guy, Mr Terrific & Metamorpho… so exciting can’t waizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz….
Ultimately it all always comes down to execution. And Gunn has been online trying to answer some questions about all of this and his answers are reasonable enough. He sees kind of the two lives of Superman. There’s his metropolis life and then there’s his intergalactic Superman life. And for him, he can’t tell a proper Superman story without including both the Lois, Jimmy, Daily Planet stuff AND Superman’s interactions with the other heroes out there. But he also said Legacy is definitely focused on Superman and Lois above all else.
I do think casting off the burden of an origin, for both Superman and the larger universe in general, should really help. But again, it’ll really just depend on if Gunn can execute. The problem with BvS was never really that it featured a lot of characters, it was the way it was done. And let’s be real, the concept of Batman just showing up and immediately wanting to murder Superman before ever really having a conversation with him was never the greatest idea to begin with. I actually thought there was some decent ideas in BvS, but they all felt half baked at best. And, admittedly, I don’t really enjoy the concept of Batman fighting Superman. It worked for a very specific reason in TDKR, but I think that’s really the only time it’s ever been all that effective.
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Wait, wasn’t introducing a bunch of characters too quickly one of the things people bitch about BvS???
Well I guess Gunn will keep casting his family & friends… yay.
Also, wow yeah, Hawkgirl, Guy, Mr Terrific & Metamorpho… so exciting can’t waizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz….
As long as they aren’t introduced by having Lois watching shitty surveillance footage, I think we’ll be okay.
I suspect they’ll just be small cameos to show us that we’re being plonked into a superhero universe thats already partially established. And why have Superman talk to random scientist #4, when he can talk to Mister Terrific instead?🤷♂️?
And I don’t get the fuss about Gunn casting his friends. Hollywood is full of directors that use the same people over and over again, it just feels like a bit of a reach to moan about it.
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Out of curiousity, Jon: excluding characters we’ve already seen in previous DC films, what characters would you prefer that Gunn add to the DCEU?
Well to be fair, Hawkgirl is fine I guess… but if you’re gonna do a GL, do John first… and I dunno, if it’s a Superman movie they should introduce Superman/Starlab related characters (Steel, the Guardian, etc), and if not, something more exciting than Metamorpho and Mr. Terrific would be nice… but that’s not really the point tho, the point is we all know what’s that gonna be about: jokes… those are all minor characters that Gunn can use for some stupid humor scenes. It’s the type of shit he’s been doing all this time, which doesn’t bode well.
Also, isn’t he using the Authority? That’s plenty enough characters to introduce for one movie, no?
And I don’t get the fuss about Gunn casting his friends. Hollywood is full of directors that use the same people over and over again, it just feels like a bit of a reach to moan about it.
That’s true, Nolan uses the same people very often… shit, even Snyder does it… however we just lost an entire good cast of actors, so just getting rid of all those fan favorite actors to replace them with his buddies, that’s where the “fuss” comes from in this case.
Looks like they’re going to hit the same mess in the new movie universe.
Yep, that’s pretty much what it’s feeling like rn. I mean, sure, they haven’t filmed a thing, but just with the announced slate and all these newer casting announcements… it already feels like a mess
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I think he has the capacity. I think an issue that hurts a lot of superhero movies is they overplay humor. It’s one thing where you have humorous bit that is organic to the scene that adds but doesn’t overwhelm it and flat out “comedy” played just for the lulz. Those comedy bits, while occassionally amusing, can stop a movie’s flow dead. I hope Gunn applies a more nuanced approach to humor in the DCU movies.
Yeah, I don’t really have a gripe with the comedy bits in superhero movies as long as they’re well done. And Whedon and Gunn were both able to do that very, very well and make it feel organic in movies that are also exciting and quite serious at times. And I agree that Gunn has demonstrated the capacity to be earnest and show the depth in his characters and not shy away from emotion in Guardians 3, and Peacemaker – and in other movies before that, honestly (like with Yondu’s arc). In spite of all the comedy, his characters do have a depth to them that the Snyderverse DC characters don’t really; they’ve all been very shallow up to this point. So I am pretty confident where that is concerned. But it will be a challenge for him not to play the scenes for the laughs, or at least not more than a few times, and be sincere like 90% of the movie. It’ll be an interesting task for him.
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James Gunn debunking a Lex Luthor casting rumor:
https://www.threads.net/@jamesgunn/post/CunAq_FPuro
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I don’t think so where BvS was concerned, but yes, it was definitely a gripe with JL.
It’s an issue for me in both BvS and JL. The main issue is with both is undeserved character arcs.
In BvS Batman spends the film trying to kill Superman, then finds out their moms have the same first name, then quickly screams ‘he’s my friend!’. No he isn’t, you don’t know him at all and just recently decided not to murder him. Similarly in either version of JLA you have Wonder Woman appealing to the messed up revived Superman that they have some close tie. They don’t – on screen they spend bare minutes together and don’t even know each other’s names.
None of it is in the movie narrative, it’s the fan narrative that in the comics they have hundreds of adventures together.
So for me the whole thing is never about how many characters. Maybe in Gunn’s plans Guy Gardner just shows up as any film needs supporting role and moves on, like Cosmo appears in the last GotG film. If he plans to include the full extended backstories of each of them then yeah it will be a mess, he probably won’t.
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There is basically no way to parse from attempted murder of a stranger to ‘he’s my friend’ in so little time. It’s bad storytelling and an error which probably really isn’t Snyder’s fault.
Warner/DCU at the time wanted to accelerate the crossover stuff to match Marvel and I don’t know how you really make that work. They should have gone with Man of Steel 2, a Batman standalone etc. Then you can make it work. You can’t have an emotional tag with Diana calling to Kal-El’s humanity when on screen they have barely met. She learnt that name from Lois who should have been doing that appeal, the it works.
It is quite annoying really that this entire discussion has become so binary and political. Either it has be genius or junk. The sequence in Man of Steel when Superman first flies is brilliant. The idea that Batman is emotionally tied in that way isn’t justified by the plot so far.
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There are sections of MoS and BvS that I really like, and then they each have these sequences that are total arse. It’s certainly distinct film making.
One area where I think DC found the right approach to separate their films from Marvel is the focus on superpowers. MoS and BvS really reflect that well, but they do have some incredibly clunky bits in them.
If nothing else, BvS gave us an Alfred for the ages.
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It is quite annoying really that this entire discussion has become so binary and political. Either it has be genius or junk. The sequence in Man of Steel when Superman first flies is brilliant. The idea that Batman is emotionally tied in that way isn’t justified by the plot so far.
There are sections of MoS and BvS that I really like, and then they each have these sequences that are total arse. It’s certainly distinct film making.
Yeah, I rewatched Man of Steel recently and there’s a lot that’s good in there. The first hour is a pretty great first hour of a Superman movie. Then it goes off the rails a bit in the second half.
Great music too.
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Yep. I still quite liked Man of Steel on rewatching it like two years ago. That was an alright movie, and Cavill was a great Superman.
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Yeah, I have to admit I never liked her for that role. I thought she was good in other movies – great in Arrival! -, it’s not that she’s a bad actress or anything. It’s just not the right fit.
Dunno about the worst though. I don’t even know all Lois Laneses! (Loises Lane?)
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Loii Lane
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Louie Louie?
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Louie Louie?
Oooo, DC/Millarworld crossover!
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Zack Snyder’s Flash movie would’ve rebooted franchise
While Andy Muschietti’s The Flash didn’t serve as the reboot of the DCU many thought it would, Zack Snyder’s original vision would have.
Storyboard artist Jay Oliva was originally involved with The Flash film for the DCU (then DCEU). “I worked with Seth Grahame-Smith, the first director who was attached to The Flash,” Oliva told Inverse. “I did a storyboard for him. I did that test. I don’t think I ever saw it, but it got the green light for the movie.”
He remained attached to the project with Rick Famuyiwa as they awaited a new director.
“I worked with Rick for like six or seven months on that Flash movie, right up until Rick left [in October 2017],” he said. “The cast was in London. They were building sets. When Rick left, I switched gears and did the reshoots for the ending of Wonder Woman.”
However, unlike the Flash film that we got, Smith’s wasn’t going to adapt the Flashpoint storyline. “Rick’s movie wasn’t the Flashpoint movie,” Oliva revealed. “Originally, there was supposed to be just Zack’s five films and one side movie, which ended up being Suicide Squad (2016).”
He continued, “Rick’s movie was going to be a series of films, just like Aquaman. I think all of those films, they were planning to be trilogies.”
The Flash films would have introduced a major big bad from the comics: Eobard Thawne (Reverse-Flash).
“Rick’s movie was laying the groundwork for Zoom as the big baddy of the DC Universe,” he revealed. “It was Professor Zoom pulling the strings because he had come from the future to basically f**k with Barry. In the Flash movies, Zoom would be the villain in the background. But also in the ancillary other films, you would see some of the influences of Zoom on the rest of the Justice League.”
Zack Snyder’s Flashpoint would have then resulted in a reboot point for the DCU. “At the ending of Zack’s Darkseid quadrilogy, or whatever, we would end up with a Justice League Unlimited version of the Snyder-verse,” Oliva said. “And then you flip it. You do Flashpoint Paradox. Everybody who’s friends are now enemies, and it’s a world that you don’t want to live in. You can reboot the universe and introduce a new cast that way. Because after 10 years, the actors need to go onto something else.”
But we never got that, and Oliva talked about why he was excited by a Flashpoint film. “I wanted to really capture the grimness of the comic, but also lay the groundwork for adapting this as if it was a Marvel live-action film,” he said of the 2013 animated Flashpoint film. “I just thought that would’ve been fantastic. Can you imagine Jason Momoa fighting Gal Gadot and then having that love story?”
Reflecting on being along for the ride of the DCU collapse, Oliva said, “All of the missed opportunities — being a part of it was so exciting, and then having to shift gears and pivot. It’s kind of sad. I would’ve loved to have seen it get to this point.”
The Flash film that we got teamed Ezra Miller’s Barry Allen with an elder Batman (Michael Keaton) and Supergirl (Sasha Calle).
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'BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES' premiered on this date 31 years ago (September 5, 1992) pic.twitter.com/fq9SsXmzMt
— Geek Vibes Nation (@GeekVibesNation) September 5, 2023
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“Villain” is a slightly odd choice of words, but OK.
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Harley Quinn Renewed for Season 5
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‘Superman: Legacy’: Nicholas Hoult Lands Role Of Lex Luthor
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‘Superman: Legacy’ Casts Skyler Gisondo as Jimmy Olsen (Exclusive) – Hollywood Reporter
‘Superman: Legacy’ Adds Sara Sampaio As Eve Teschmacher – Deadline
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Jimmy Olsen isn’t ginger, again!
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Maybe he’ll dye it.
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‘Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom’ Tracking for Troubled $40M-$50M Christmas Opening
I just came back from this, it’s bad. There’s barely a plot, and what little plot exists is bad. Aside from Momoa, Wilson, and for some reason Randall Park, nobody gets anything to do.
Yahya is stuck playing his character as being possessed for two hours, so he’s just a snarling angry villain. Nicole Kidman feels like most of her scenes were shot with a body double and they pasted her face on later. Amber Heard is in a bunch of scenes, but they’ve cut all of her lines (I counted 11 lines total).
There are a bunch of scenes where characters appear to die, then show up again two minutes later completely unharmed. Manta’s henchwoman seems to blow up at least four times. I remember enjoying the first movie, but watching this I couldn’t recall why.
The reasoning for bringing back Wilson is hilariously weak. I’m sure there was a reason for it in some ancient version of the script, but it’s long gone now. None of the jokes in the movie got any laughs from my audience, though that could be because it was the most lightly-attended opening day screenings I’ve been to.
There’s a Quantumania level of “nothing on this screen feels solid or real.” I’ve no idea if the actors were ever even in the same room together; I could believe most of them were filmed separately and composited together.
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I saw someone post a clip from Aquaman 2 that calls back to Iron Man 1…I’ve never cringed so much in my life. The fact that that first movie made a billion has always baffled me. Its practically unwatchable and this looks to be of similar quality.
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Aquaman 2 may actually have a worse opening weekend than The Marvels.
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5 Characters Tom Cruise Should Play In James Gunn’s DCU After Warner Bros. Film Deal
Read More: https://www.looper.com/1491978/tom-cruise-james-gunn-dcu-casting-characters/
They do understand that Cruise will be 62 this year, right?
Jor-El is the only one of those characters that may be a fit for him. Even then, I’m not completely sold.
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I have to admit I still clicked, for whatever reason…
And I think Hal Jordan would actually be great, especially if they did the Parallax storyline in some shape or form.I think Cruise would have worked in that role, if they had made it 15-20 years ago.
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The search is over:
https://deadline.com/2024/01/supergirl-milly-alcock-1235807989/
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I also like that Gunn in confirming this explicitly refered to King and the artists of the book.
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Matthew Vaughn Pitches ‘Superman: Red Son’ Adaptation Starring Henry Cavill (Exclusive)
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It’d be very cool if they did Forever Evil at some point and cast Henry Cavill as Ultraman.
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