Season 3 is going to arrive in early 2020 and has dropped a new very perplexing trailer
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I wonder how that makes @lorcan_nagle feel?
It’s about as big a conflict as I can imagine for Lorcan. On the one hand, capitalism; on the other hand, robots.
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I had forgotten a lot of this.
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Not watching it yet, but I’ll definitely need a recap before watching season 3, cheers!
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Okay, so I watched Season 3, Episode 1 last night. I’m going to have to watch it again because the dialogue was very low-volume and I missed half of what people were saying. Many new characters introduced, some of whom actually survived to the end of the episode. I have no idea what the hell is going on, so it’s very much like the first two seasons in that respect.
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I forgot to delete the scheduling from the DVR so I ended up recording it. I watched it that was so fucking BORING. I really don’t care about Dolores and her plans.
I made sure to delete the it from my schedule this time.
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Well, to be fair, I didn’t say it was good… I just said it was better than that S2 godawful mess… =P
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Well, to be fair, I didn’t say it was good… I just said it was better than that S2 godawful mess… =P
Hell, the coronavirus is better than Season 2.
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Well, I liked Season 2.
My only reservation with season 3 is so far they haven’t given Aaron Paul a chance to say, “Science, bitch.”
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they didn’t need any bullshit time skipping crap
Remember in S1 when we also assumed everything was happening in the same time frame?
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they didn’t need any bullshit time skipping crap
Remember in S1 when we also assumed everything was happening in the same time frame?
Oh fuck… you’re right… =/
Now that I think about it, yeah there could be some time skipping shenanigans going on here as well… ugh… I really hope not.
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The pace redefines “leisurely”.
So much talent and money, so little story for so many episodes.
But maybe that’s just me? Are most people enjoying the set-piece bits? I want to enjoy them but I’m fining them leaden and just there to fill episode time. They’re not plot or character, they’re indulgence.
I do like the characters still.
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The latest episode was very well shot but damn it was fucking cliched and stupid.
The cyberpunk backstreets straight out of a William Gibson novel, The Eyes Wide Shut (charity) auction, Vincent Cassel being billionaire gangster. I can get crap like this from the places they go it from, or I can watch ‘Altered Carbon’, which was never anything more than a tribute act anyway.
Season One was a long time ago.
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I’m actually enjoying this a lot more than seasons 1 and 2…
I kinda wish they had mashed s1 & 2 together.
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Season One of Westworld has never been closer with all the mirroring of prior scenes this week. They’re echoing elements of S2 too. This series is deceptively simple on the surface but reminds me of an episode of Legion and the best episodes of Person of Interest and Mr. Robot. Ridiculously intricate.
I thought the Game of Thrones easter egg was just a nice nod to the fan fun of it being another park. Now with all the alchemical symbolism going on, even that seems deliberate. Great subtle use of costumes this season too. Ooooh, just occurred: Dolores and her quick-change gold dress = more alchemy.
The twist on Casablanca’s Paris line was clever. Last week was devastating whilst also riffing off of Dickens which seems to be an ongoing theme.
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What the dickens have you been watching, Jerry? Yul Brynner?
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I’m doing exactly the same. I seem to have enjoyed both series a little more than the online average, and I wonder whether watching it all in a short space of time works better for this show.
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Spoilers for Westworld Season3 finale
It turn out it was earth all along!
Also it turns out they were a robot all along!
Also it turns out they were just a projection of their multiple personality!
Also it turns out the book said to serve humans IN HELL!
Also it turns out everyone is dead and it’s the afterlife!
Also, as it turns out, you have to watch the series IN REVERSE to really understand the narrative, which, ultimately, is a message about friendship conquering everything.
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It turns out I am which is why all the shows are great universally loved!
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I’ve been watching Westworld diagonally sideways and upsidedown like a hypercube.
Can you give me some hints about what’s coming up in TimWorld? I won’t tell the others.
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So hardly anyone here was watching this season as it was broadcast?
Ok, then no spoilers.
See what you think?
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I liked it.
It’s too intricate and layered to sum up each episode in a few words.
The subtle ways they portrayed the glitches in predicted time was fun to spot.
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I enjoyed their use of the Pink Floyd track;
It’s great when a company can afford the right track at the right time.
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DOLORES… say it with me… =P
but when I found out who was imprinted on those 5 pearls in Hale’s purse from the S2 finale was a highlight for me.
yeah that was a legit good twist for once… however it wasn’t entirely clear whether it was all Dolores or if the other pearls were actually a mix… a mix sounds like it’s what it was, but they weren’t super clear about it.
There were a couple of things that were bothering me while I was watching… mainly how Dolores went from a villain to the “good” guy, but fortunately they adressed some of them in the last couple of episodes…
What I liked about this season is how they applied the simple concept of the park and took it waaay further applying it to the real world, where it turns out the “real” world has pretty much become a park of a sort, however I’m not sure I liked that in the end it was a machine calling the shots, or so it seemed at least, since Vincent pretty much seemed to be a puppet in that last episode.
But anyways, yeah, this was easily the best season. I’m curious to know if they’ll renew it.
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https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/film-tv/a31981161/westworld-season-4-news-cast-spoilers-date/
HBO announced on April 22 that it officially ordered a fourth season
Show creators Lisa Joy and Jonathan Nolan had previously told Variety they hope to make at least one more season to wrap up the Westworld story (and possibly more). “We can’t wait to see where their inspired vision takes us next,” HBO’s programming president Casey Bloys said in a statement.
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I feel the exact opposite…
To me, seasons 1 & 2 were just confuising for the sake of being confusing (the whole time skip thing, mainly)… season 3 wasn’t. Sure, some motivations weren’t clear, but that’s about normal in this type of stories, it’s part of the suspense, and that was NOT the main problem with S1 & 2…
Unfortunately, the one character I’ve never really cared about is Bernard, and it seems he’s gonna be the focus of next season, which is a shame.
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So, I started watching this.
Loved the first three episodes, and how they focus on different characters (Dolores, Maeve, “Charlotte”). Caleb is a good addition to the cast, and I liked the device of him talking to the AI psychotherapist. Overall, I like how full-on sci-fi they’ve gone in many ways (which they couldn’t in the park environment, of course).
Looking forward to the next episodes!
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Alright! Finished now!
The characters’ goals and motivations were so opaque a lot of the time – sometimes you weren’t even meant to know for sure who certain characters even were! – that it was really hard to engage with. Which I didn’t find to be the case with seasons 1 and 2.
I didn’t have that feeling at all. I mean, Caleb just wants to be overcome his trauma and build his life, and he has a deep anger at the people who damaged him. His motivations keep unfolding, of course. Charlotte was fighting for her cause, but also slipping into the human Charlotte’s life, resulting in emotional confusion and her trying to save her husband and kid. Bernard and whatshisname were trying to stop Dolores from ending the world. Dolores still wants to build a place for her kind; ultimately, it is only the way in which she goes about it that stays obscure. Maeve wants to find and be with her kid. Serac wants to end chaos by controlling everything. I found all of that pretty relatable really. Maybe it’s a matter of binge-watching it all at once.
The world sinking into chaos was the part that didn’t quite work for me; it was just too quick, and it was all just rioting in the streets… I don’t know, the end of the world felt a bit one-note. Thematic though, given what’s going on in the US right now.
Other than that, I am very happy with the finale, and with the season overall. And it’s interesting that Charlotte is going to be the villain for S4, and that it’ll be hosts vs hosts apparently.
Another thing I noticed, and that was only reinforced by whatshisname, Veronica’s Mars’ dad, showing up is that this season of Westworld was just as much a capstone to the themes and ideas of Person of Interest – two artifical intelligences warring, one trying to control the future and the other trying to set it free. Even Serac turning out to be the AI’s puppet is an idea directly lifted from Person of Interest. Which is fine, I mean, it’s all Nolan’s creations and it feels a bit like he tied one to the other here discreetly – change a few details and you can almost imagine that the world of Westworld is the future of Person of Interest’s world.
Which reminds me, I don’t think I every watched the last season of PI. Good time to go back and do that now, I suppose.
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Fair enough where Dolores’ helpers are concerned, but sometimes creating a mystery does have value in this kind of TV show – I don’t think it’s particularly deplorable. I also think it does have another point, as it changes how we see Charlottes journey: we first see her as an individual host, then we find out she’s just a copy and expect her to behave like Dolores’ other duplicates, then she develops individuality and in the end rises up against her maker – mirroring Dolores’ own journey, only she rises up against Dolores herself now.
Similarly, Caleb’s journey of self-discovery is important because it enables him to make the choices he does in the end. But Caleb’s backstory and its being bureid also ties directly into the plot of the season. Where that is concerned, I’d rather say that it’s the opposite problem, really, that it’s too much constructed around the plot to be entirely convincing. I mean, like how for some reason the Machine decides it has to off one of the guys executing the personal for Veronica’s dad, which doesn’t make a lot of sense in the first place, but then when he’s killed the other guy, they don’t just finish him, as well, while they’re at it but make the effort of reprogramming him instead of just shooting him, which surely must’ve been the best possible outcome of putting out contracts on each other for the two guys?
But they needed different levels of Caleb’s backstory to get him where they wanted to in the plot, so the problem is more that his backstory achieved too much, plot-wise, rather than just a mystery in itself. But like I said, I liked it well enough mainly because it is another thematic mirror of Dolores – Caleb has to figure out that he isn’t who he thought he was, and that discovery sets him free to act against his former masters.
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I agree that Charlotte’s arc was compelling, but only once we knew that she was another Dolores, so all that fannying around in the first few episodes making us guess who she might be felt like wasted time (especially in a truncated season). It was like all the “who is Ronin” stuff in Bendis’ Avengers.
But I don’t agree that Caleb was really changed significantly a result of his discovery, other than finding another reason to do what he was already doing before in helping Dolores, so that mystery again didn’t really land for me.
I can’t remember if you watched Devs yet Christian, but I think part of the problem for me may have been that I watched that immediately before season three of Westworld, and it dealt with similar ideas around AI and predestination and free will in a much more interesting way.
Westworld felt like it wanted to have it both ways – an AI that knows all the outcomes except the ones it needs to not know so that the plot can play out how they want it to – and I felt that the whole show was treated the same way, you could really feel the writers’ hands in terms of how much it told us and how much we were in the dark, so a lot of it felt forced and artifical to me.
Contrast that to season one where the mystery aspects were handled so deftly and it feels like the show has fallen a long way. And I say that as someone who also liked season two!
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(That bit with the giant robot smashing through the wall was good though.)
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Another thing I noticed, and that was only reinforced by whatshisname, Veronica’s Mars’ dad, showing up is that this season of Westworld was just as much a capstone to the themes and ideas of Person of Interest – two artifical intelligences warring, one trying to control the future and the other trying to set it free. Even Serac turning out to be the AI’s puppet is an idea directly lifted from Person of Interest. Which is fine, I mean, it’s all Nolan’s creations and it feels a bit like he tied one to the other here discreetly – change a few details and you can almost imagine that the world of Westworld is the future of Person of Interest’s world.
Oh damn, nice catch… I completely forgot about PoI and Nolan jr’s involvement. I guess the re-use of their favorite themes over and over is a Nolan Family thing =P
Shit, maybe that’s why I liked this season so much… now I feel like I got somewhat incepted… u_u
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I can’t remember if you watched Devs yet Christian, but I think part of the problem for me may have been that I watched that immediately before season three of Westworld, and it dealt with similar ideas around AI and predestination and free will in a much more interesting way.
Fair enough! I haven’t watched it yet, and am very much looking forward to it.
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Devs is worth the watch, Christian.
I think the thing with Westworld Season 3 for me was that I just didn’t have any sympathy for Dolores and that made the narrative telling hard to land. I liked Maeve, Caleb, Arnold/Bernard et all but Dolores was the kind of the “main character” this season and because her motives where obfuscated I never developed any sympathy for her at the point when the show wanted me to. Similar I suppose to William’s journey.
I think it is great high-budget television, and I loved the future aesthetic, but it just wasn’t as intriguing or as compelling as the earlier seasons.
I’m not done though. I liked the teaser at the end and am curious as to how it will all wrap up (even if it feels a little like extending the plot for it’s own sake). I like how the Man in Black next season appears to be more of a riff on Yul Bryners character from the original movie.
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Yeah, I think both your and Dave’s criticism are definitely fair enough, I can definitely see what you’re saying. And one of the things that bothered me a bit was that the mechanics of how the plot pitched the different hosts against each other didn’t quite work for me; turning Maeve against Dolores was too easy. It’s just one of those cases where I didn’t mind the weaknesses and enjoyed the strengths a lot.
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turning Maeve against Dolores was too easy
Yeah, and I thought it was a shame that a strong character like Maeve was under the villain’s thumb for so much of the season. Although she did have her moments.
To be honest Thandie Newton is one of the main things I continue to love about the show (and not just because she’s beautiful) – like Ed Harris, she just seems to elevate every scene she’s in.
And talking of Harris, that scene with the multiple Williams was another highpoint. I’d love more of that kind of low-key character stuff from this show (and less of the big end-of-the-world stuff) as I think that’s where it’s at its best.
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Another thing I noticed, and that was only reinforced by whatshisname, Veronica’s Mars’ dad,
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0170186/ He was great in POI, btw.
showing up is that this season of Westworld was just as much a capstone to the themes and ideas of Person of Interest – two artifical intelligences warring, one trying to control the future and the other trying to set it free. Even Serac turning out to be the AI’s puppet is an idea directly lifted from Person of Interest. Which is fine, I mean, it’s all Nolan’s creations and it feels a bit like he tied one to the other here discreetly – change a few details and you can almost imagine that the world of Westworld is the future of Person of Interest’s world.
I noticed that too and actually thought the same thing
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