.The show starts on Disney+ this Friday, with the first two episodes.
Here’s an article revealing a little more about the show, including what sitcoms are homaged along the way.
Presumably the Malcolm in the Middle-inspired episode will introduce us to twins Tommy and Billy, thus introducing two more Young Avengers to the MCU.
Yeah… well there’s also the not very subtle Agatha Harkness, so yea… I was really hoping against hope it wasn’t gonna be that… =/
Also, just saw this on twitter, it better not be connected to fuckin’ Fortnite in any way… u_u
Also, a funny meme:
I shouldn’t have, but “Oh, and I killed Sparky too” got the biggest laugh for the whole show so far out of me
I think it was set up fairly well in terms of her previous actions (and interactions) in the show.
Yeah, Agnes has always been shown to be not quite the brainwashed automaton that the other residents were, like when the kids are born and she suggests redoing that take.
I really liked this episode; enough happened and there wasn’t too much of the silly MCU tech jargon (cringed a tad at even the bits in the “Previously on” recap, about Monica’s DNA changing and whatnot) – the “Modern Family” style camera work and musical cues were spot-on (they’ve been amazing and impressive throughout), and the ending was great – I had a dumb grin on my face. Wife says this is her favourite MCU project.
I shouldn’t have, but “Oh, and I killed Sparky too” got the biggest laugh for the whole show so far out of me
That’s genuinely the first time the show has actually made me laugh out loud. Maybe I’m the real villain…
Biggest laugh of the episode for me too.
And her “friend” turned out to be a no one with an unhelpful solution… so much for people speculating about it being Reed Richards, Amadeus Cho or whomever else.
That kind of thing is our fault really. The writers probably meant nothing more with that line other than to set up the reason the space tank thing arrives later, rather than drop it in out of the blue and getting deus ex machina complaints.
Some speculation like the Agatha Harkness stuff will come true but fans really are looking at minute details here, like not seeing his name on the sheet could mean the boss from the first episode is someone hugely relevant or they may never refer to him at all again.
I too laughed at the Sparky line. Glad I’m not the only monster.
I’ve seen a few articles online about how people are pissed that Monica’s aerospace engineer friend ISN’T Reed Richards. And they had convinced themselves he would be portrayed by John Krasinski. What the actual fuck? The power of delusion is strong in these folks. I never thought at any time Marvel would introduce Reed through this show.
Personally, I had hoped it would be Fitz or at least someone else from Agents of SHIELD.
I’ve seen a few articles online about how people are pissed that Monica’s aerospace engineer friend ISN’T Reed Richards. And they had convinced themselves he would be portrayed by John Krasinski. What the actual fuck? The power of delusion is strong in these folks. I never thought at any time Marvel would introduce Reed through this show.
Part of the media cycle around these shows seems to be people reading into these offhand comments and coming up with ridiculously elaborate theories on what it could all mean. So they build up expectations that are sky-high and then people are disappointed when the show doesn’t introduce the FF or whatever, which it was clearly never going to do.
The show definitely leans into that speculation sometimes, like with the Quicksilver stunt casting, but mostly it’s just the clickbait machine in overdrive.
It was the same around Mandalorian – and that show probably didn’t help matters by actually delivering on what was seen as a fairly outlandish theory in its final episode.
Fan speculation clearly helps shows like this, but there’s also a risk of it setting expectations that could never be met.
That whole scene of the vehicle being changed by the barrier it was trying to pass through did play a lot like the incident in which the Fantastic Four get their powers.
I could easily see it leading into a story about a young research scientist at SWORD who examines the vehicle, tries to adjust it to make it safe from the crazy radiation it was exposed to by the hex, takes it for a test run, makes an error in his calculations and, well, you know the rest of the story.
Fan speculation clearly helps shows like this, but there’s also a risk of it setting expectations that could never be met.
It’s not even just fan speculation. There’s an entire fan-site industry based around this kind of thing now, with sites like Nerdist posting 10 or 15 minute long Youtube videos about every fan-theory that crosses their path. And Nerdist are one of the better ones – there are hundreds of vastly inferior websites and Youtubers who are just professional enough to convince the gullible that they have some kind of inside knowledge and that this is definitely going to happen!
And of course the situation is that much worse at the moment with new content in the way of movies being so scarce, so everyone has plenty of time to focus on every single detail of this one New Thing we have, no matter how small and inconsequential those details might be.
Yeah, I mean I’m including those sites as part of the fan speculation because it’s all basically aspects of the same thing. It’s not real professional journalism or criticism, it’s just a click machine written by fans who churn out this stuff to serve the appetite for wild speculation. The more outlandish the better.
I think you’re right about the general lack of other content though. It probably means Wandavision is under the microscope more than it would have been otherwise.
I could easily see it leading into a story about a young research scientist at SWORD who examines the vehicle, tries to adjust it to make it safe from the crazy radiation it was exposed to by the hex, takes it for a test run, makes an error in his calculations and, well, you know the rest of the story.
You’re saying this could be the origin story of the MCU Spider-Mobile?
Why not, he’s already got a Stark Jet.
I think I might forgive all of the faults of how the MCU has handled Spidey if the next movie opened with him driving up the side of a skyscraper in a red and blue beach buggy.
And it is a flashback scene in which he is chasing Thanos, who is getting away in his bright yellow helicopter.
I’m just wary the show is falling into the usual tired tropes… I mean, they’ve barely introduced SWORD and it already seems to be a corrupt organization, so SHIELD 2.0… that’s very uninspired.
And they’re going for yet ANOTHER “dark refelction” of the hero for the villain, with literally another witch, but hey her magic is purple… 
Seriously, how many of those have they made already?
I mean, they’ve barely introduced SWORD and it already seems to be a corrupt organization, so SHIELD 2.0… that’s very uninspired.
Is it a corrupt organization, or just badly led? It felt like Monica was being set up to displace the current chief from quite early in the story.
I’d be quite happy for Vision and Wanda to bow out of the MCU after this. They can live happily ever after in the suburbs (though maybe not Westview…) and let Billy and Tommy (who I assume are going to age up again at some point so they’re a similar age to Kate Bishop and Cassie Lang) do any future superheroing.
But they’re not real, are they? Unlike everyone else in the town, they were made up entirely by Wanda/Agatha’s magic.
They’re obviously heading towards a future Young Avengers movie for the MCU, so trust me… they’re sticking around after WandaVision!
No idea how Darcy knows that much detail about the end of Infinity War, especially the bits that happened before Thanos reversed time.
It’s interesting really. It’s not something the films or TV dwell on, almost certainly because it would be far less interesting than ongoing superhero action, but when something as monumental as half of all living beings disappear you can imagine the inquests and coverage would be endless. We have guys who were there like Rhodey who even works for the government. He’ll be giving a full report.
If you can imagine events we were never saw like the shooting of Bin Laden had endless books and film reconstructions made then this event would have several documentaries on Netflix and a movie. Even with Monica coming back from 5 years away, what’s the first thing she’s going to be curious about in that 2 weeks before she goes back to work? Why did this happen to me? What happened while I was away?
So it’s all pretty natural really to me but it has to be followed up without members of the public appearing surprised at who these people are.
If you can imagine events we were never at like the shooting of Bin Laden had endless books and film reconstructions made then this event would have several documentaries on Netflix and a movie. Even with Monica coming back from 5 years away, what’s the first thing she’s going to be curious about in that 2 weeks before she goes back to work? Why did this happen to me? What happened while I was away?
Imagine the tell-all books written by the Wakandan guys way in the back of the big fight
Yeah, I can imagine Thor or whoever told Darcy a bunch of details about what he remembered happening. I just don’t understand how any of them remember what happened before Thanos went back in time and changed things. But that would require an understanding of the Avengers time travel rules, which seem to boil down to “hey, look over there!”
It’s probably very questionable in terms of any science or whatever but he doesn’t turn back time completely. He turns Vision back in time to when he’s fully formed and Wanda watches it with seemingly full memory she just killed him. Thor is witness it seems, he tells Rhodey (or Darcy) and the full story is known.
Dammit Thanos, you can’t do anything right!!
But they’re not real, are they? Unlike everyone else in the town, they were made up entirely by Wanda/Agatha’s magic.
That was pretty much Wiccan’s costume, so yeah, they’re going to stick around. And it’s pretty much like in the comics – they were made up by Wanda, but came to be real. Um, there was a whole thing with Mephisto and some kind of convoluted story in the books that they’ll never do on TV. Honestly, I’m fine with “Wanda created them”, but you could argue that they weren’t made up by Wanda’s magic entirely, but that Wanda’s magic facilitated the normal biological process of conception, birth and growth; that they’re still biological in essence as much as magical.
you could argue that they weren’t made up by Wanda’s magic entirely, but that Wanda’s magic facilitated the normal biological process of conception, birth and growth; that they’re still biological in essence as much as magical.
That could well be a line from next week’s script, given how hokey the technical jargon is in this show. As much as I love it, I always cringe when they try and get all sciencey, partly because it’s so poorly written and partly because of the way the actors oversell it.
By the way, we’re either in for two hour-long episodes now, or a half-hour followed by a feature-length finale. My money is on the latter.
I’m guessing two half-hour episodes and then an hour of credits.
I’m guessing two half-hour episodes and then an hour of credits.
So… 7 or 8 mid-credits scenes then?
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One year to the day since we wrapped Modern Family, and tonight we were part of Wanda Vision. They’ve paid homage to I Love Lucy, Bewitched and The Brady Bunch among others…To see our show as a “classic” through the eyes of an incredibly innovative Marvel show left me speechless. (Trust me, and anyone who has worked with me, that’s hard to do.) @wandavision from the breaking of the 4th wall to the fabric on the couch…wow. What a great way to celebrate a bittersweet anniversary.
Cool! And hey, she’s got a pretty nice instagram. Very few selfies of her being pretty and lots and lots of other stuff. And she apparently took part in a vaccine trial. Good for her!
Spoilers for wandavision episode 7!
Welp, I got inspired by the character with the best theme song in the show. So what if #AgathaAllAlong was a Hanna-Barbera show in the 60s?#WandaVision #animation pic.twitter.com/v5QuVWBo8d
— Björn Frykmo (@HerrNalle) February 22, 2021
I like this remix.
That was awesome. I must have played the original song about 50 times this week. I hope the music in this show wins all kinds of awards.
On Evan Peters vs. Aaron Taylor-Johnson on WANDAVISION. "There are discussions on everything," Feige says, that they "blue sky" everything. "But I believe we ended up going with what you saw relatively early on in the development process." #TCA21
— Alex Zalben (@azalben) February 24, 2021
I thought it was pretty good again this week. Certainly it ties together the story up to this point nicely, and is maybe the first episode to make me really feel for the characters and care about what is happening beyond it being an abstract puzzle.
At this stage I think it’s impossible for the show to overcome the general structural problems that made the early episodes such a chore to get through – I wish I’d been given this kind of reason to care earlier on – but at least it’s improving as it gets to the end.
(Although it’s a pretty damp squib of a cliffhanger – I was expecting something more for the penultimate episode.)
Also, there’s another post-credits scene this week, and it’s much more significant than last week’s.
Still waiting for that big cameo that Paul Bettany teased. I’m guessing Doctor Strange since we’re told this series ties into DS2, and Cumberbatch was involved in the publicity early on.
I was a little disappointed with this episode – it was mostly stuff we’d inferred just a bit more fleshed out.
I even thought White Vision – Whision? – was a bit disappointing. I’d rather it was Sentinels, as some people had theorised.
Also, regarding last week’s mid-credits scene… did Pietro capture Monica for Agatha, or has he gained his own free will now?
I was a little disappointed with this episode – it was mostly stuff we’d inferred just a bit more fleshed out.
I think this is the potential downside with a show that relies on speculation like this. Inevitably people will have together put the pieces together before the show “reveals” it, providing it’s playing fair with clues, and they might then feel disappointed that there are no surprises.
But I don’t actually mind that – I don’t see the audience/show relationship as being a game where the show has failed or ‘lost’ if you’ve worked out the twists ahead of time. I’m more concerned with the show working on its own terms and the storytelling being sound in its own right, away from all the online speculation. (Inside No. 9 has trained me to stop playing those guessing games and just enjoy it.)
And in that respect I think this episode worked fine. It provided a proper through-line from Wanda’s first appearance in the MCU through all of her history to make sense of the story we’re seeing in Wandavision. Even if there weren’t any real big surprises.
Touches like the DVDs of the shows being imitated might seem a bit on-the-nose for people who had already gathered that as a likely influence, but I think that kind of explicit acknowledgement is needed for the show to explain itself so that it can stand alone.
I think it’s important to remember that there is a large audience out there that isn’t fervently speculating week-to-week (after last week’s episode a friend of mine texted me saying “who the fuck is Agatha Harkness and why should I give a fuck about her?” which I think shows the dangers of playing up too much to that fan audience and ignoring the more casual viewer). I think episodes like this are essential so that the show doesn’t become solely for the hardcore fans alone.
Similarly, white Vision will probably be a big “wow” moment for people who don’t know enough of the backstory to have seen it coming.
Also, regarding last week’s mid-credits scene… did Pietro capture Monica for Agatha, or has he gained his own free will now?
I wondered about that. Presumably they’ll both show up next week, but it was odd that they just disappeared entirely.
I think it’s important to remember that there is a large audience out there that isn’t fervently speculating week-to-week (after last week’s episode a friend of mine texted me saying “who the fuck is Agatha Harkness and why should I give a fuck about her?” which I think shows the dangers of playing up too much to that fan audience and ignoring the more casual viewer). I think episodes like this are essential so that the show doesn’t become solely for the hardcore fans alone.
It’s definitely a fine line they have to walk. My girlfriend asked the same thing about Agatha, and I had to give her a potted history. Anyone know if Agatha’s origin has been told in the comics, or was that an invention of the MCU?
I guess now we know why they emphasised earlier in the series that Wanda had never used a codename – The Scarlet Witch is a legend among actual witches. It’s a neat tying up of Wanda’s many and varied origins and ancestries, but I’m not a big fan of the whole “you were foretold…” trope.
the resolution stage was probably never going to live up to the hype.
Yeah, I think it’s a really common problem with these mystery shows where there’s lots of speculation.
For some viewers, the show’s finale will be a disappointment if it’s anything short of Mephisto flying into battle with both the McKellen and Fassbender Magnetos while Dr Strange opens a portal for the Fantastic Four to save everyone, and Kang turns up in the post-credit scene to confirm that this was his plan all along.
But personally I’m happy that the show is now leaning more into the emotional heart of the story as that’s what I’ve really wanted more of since the start.
Okay, so first of all: this wasn’t one hour long episode… so are they counting the ultra long credits and the “previously on” bits for the supposed “6 hours of show”??? Or are we getting basically a movie next episode? Because so far we’ve gotten somewhere between 4 and 4.5 hours (probably closer to 4)
My guess is that all the people working out precise episode runtimes from a rough estimate of six hours of story as though it’s some kind of exact promise are probably barking up the wrong tree. I doubt next episode will be movie-length, probably it’ll be something similar to this weeks, 45 minutes to an hour maybe.
My guess is that all the people working out precise episode runtimes from a rough estimate of six hours of story as though it’s some kind of exact promise are probably barking up the wrong tree. I doubt next episode will be movie-length, probably it’ll be something similar to this weeks, 45 minutes to an hour maybe.
Well I mean, people are going by what Feige said… granted, “6 hours” doesn’t mean without credits and such, but still…
I honestly don’t really care how long it is, as long as they tie everything up… and that’s the thing, there’s quite a bit to tie up: first the 2ndary characters Hayward’s gonna need some screen time, Darcy and Woo not so much, Monica a little bit but I’m guessing she’ll just help in the final battle and then be sent off to Captain Marvel 2. They’ll also need time for a battle between Wanda and Agnes, and then probably Vision v Vision, some time for Pietro… and a resolution for all of the main character arcs including the twins. That’s kind of a lot, tbh… fitting everything into 40 minutes can be done, but it might be rushed, so I guess we’ll see… 
So anyways, what are your predictions? Mine are: seems Wanda will survive this and become THE Scarlett Witch. Fake Vision will somehow be transposed into white Vision (his actual body), so that’s how he “revives”…
The kids are probably gonna survive and I guess they’ll fuck off somewhere (or stay in Westview maybe?) to raise them until they’re needed for the Young Avengers movies… If the Doc Strange rumours are true, he might come at the end to take away Agnes or to just take Wanda with him to train her in the mystical arts (leaving Vision to raise the kids or something). I’d really prefer if the kids didn’t make it, but much like my thinking with white Vision, I’m too cynical and I’m sure they’re seeding the Young Avengers, because toys!!!
One last thing… so wait… Agatha is behind fake Pietro right? but why didn’t she just use the MCU’s Pietro likeness in her spell??? Did Taylor Aaron Johnson get into a fight with Disney or something?? =/
I went into some detail on that one in a previous post. Half the world disappeared and you hold multiple enquiries (Rhodey was there in Wakanda and works for the US government)
Yeah sure, fine, but that shit would be classified. Hayward knowing about it? Sure… Darcy?? Fuck no! Plus none of that explains how Agatha even knows about the “infinity stones”, hell she even calls them by their proper name… I can buy her knowing about the “tesseract” or the “eye of Agamotto”, but yeah, no… I mean, it’s fine, it’s just plot conveniences, they always exist… they just happen to bother the shit out of me =P
The only surprise for me is I was assuming she’d recovered Vision’s remains from Sword, so unlike Jon didn’t see the White Vision bit coming (John Byrne got added to the ‘thanks’ section this week).
To be fair, I didn’t see it coming, or not that way precisely, because they “tricked” us with Hayward’s account… I was really just being super cynical about it, I thought it’d be a good opportunity for more hot toys and merch or some shit like that… HOWEVER
1) I don’t believe he’ll stay white going forward, because as I said, I do think fake Vision (or Wanda’s memories of Vision) will merge with white Vision and he’ll revert to his OG colors.
2) The thought also came about because of the whole “Nexus” commercial in last episode… There could still be a backup copy of Jarvis/OG vision in there, which could also come into play. This white Vision might have that personality inside. I guess the “Nexus” thing is also a remaining mystery, either it’s the Jarvis thing, or the magical thing… we’ll see…
Yeah sure, fine, but that shit would be classified. Hayward knowing about it? Sure… Darcy?? Fuck no! Plus none of that explains how Agatha even knows about the “infinity stones”, hell she even calls them by their proper name… I can buy her knowing about the “tesseract” or the “eye of Agamotto”, but yeah, no… I mean, it’s fine, it’s just plot conveniences, they always exist… they just happen to bother the shit out of me =P
We know from Thor that different ancient cultures have historical experience with (or at least knowledge of) the Infinity gems. It isn’t a massive stretch to think that an ancient order of magical witches might have some understanding of them.
Yeah, Agnes has been studying magic for more than 300 years- it would be surprising if she hadn’t heard of the Infinity Stones.
Also, I just rewatched the mid-credits scene from last week’s episode – Pietro is a lot more sinister with the benefit of hindsight, so I’m guessing Monica is being held captive by magic purple tentacles in the dungeon.
magic purple tentacles in the dungeon
That’s a manga series isn’t it?
Yeah sure, fine, but that shit would be classified.
So half the people on the planet die and you reckon you can get away for 5 years with no explanation? Then re-appear while there’s massive spaceships and battles on US soil and they come back with ‘classified – figure it out yourself’.
What’s even the point in classifying it? So people don’t make their own infinity stones at home?
Is the white Vision at the end of the episode meant to be a new replica created by SWORD, or his original body patched back together and reanimated? I thought it was the former but I’ve seen comments suggesting the latter.
The dialogue made me think the latter
Yeah, that’s certainly how it was in the comics – he was taken apart by the government, then put back together but minus his personality. He became more robotic and emotionless.
Essentially it was Byrne’s way of undoing his marriage to Wanda, which he took offence to because he considered Vision no different to “a toaster.” I’m guessing that won’t be the case here though, and Wanda will restore his “soul” to his new body.
If it’s his original body and Wanda has created a new fake Vision whole cloth, then it puts Vision’s earlier resistance to the fake Westview in a totally different context. It becomes Wanda pushing back against herself through her own creation, rather than the true Vision working it all out.
If it’s his original body and Wanda has created a new fake Vision whole cloth, then it puts Vision’s earlier resistance to the fake Westview in a totally different context. It becomes Wanda pushing back against herself through her own creation, rather than the true Vision working it all out.
The way I read it is that she’s never been completely in control of her new powers. She’s done all this stuff but she’s not really sure how. It’s not like everyone’s just been a puppet – they have some autonomy.
That is the big question at the moment. We have 4 ‘created from thin air’ characters, Vision, the kids and Pietro. Is Wanda’s chaos magic enough to fully create life for Vision and the kids?
Is Pietro just an illusion? They seem to intimate in this one it’s just Agatha creating a brother stand-in when she doesn’t have access to what MCU Pietro was actually like.
I never read House of M but my impression in the comics was Wanda has immense power but the ‘chaos’ element is key to her not being able to tap into it on demand. She gives Thanos a good kicking in Endgame where she didn’t have quite the same effect before but at the second attempt she was really angry.
A bit I liked was the callback to the Ant Man scene in Endgame with a lot of Westview having gone to shit during the blip. I’d assume that when Vision bought the house it looked a lot nicer than that but with half the population missing you are going to get a lot of abandoned housing and unkempt gardens.
Based on the F/X of the creation of Westview scene, the Vision was created from the same FX as the Mind Stone, which was completely different than the scarlet energy. I have a feeling that part of vision’s consciousness took residence in her when she killed him the first time.
With the revelation of the repaired Vision body, it isn’t too big of a stretch to imagine that the “mind stone matrix” housed in hex matter will just repossess the body when it is sent in. Wanda will probably go away with Strange or Agatha and Vision will raise the kids who will age themselves up to Young Avengers era maturity to help fight the last battle.
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Her powers in the comics have always been whatever suits the moment. They started off as “hex spheres” which did whatever Stan wanted them to, then it went through the probability altering stuff, then in recent years they’ve leaned more into the magical side of things.
It’s the kind of thing where it pays not to think about it too much.
Based on the F/X of the creation of Westview scene, the Vision was created from the same FX as the Mind Stone, which was completely different than the scarlet energy. I have a feeling that part of vision’s consciousness took residence in her when she killed him the first time.
That’s interesting. I didn’t pick up on that.
Agatha wants to pull apart Wanda to see what makes her work, while Agent John Byrne wants to do the same to Vision. Neat.
Was Agatha the one who brought Sparky to the Maximoff house? I presume that was just some bug she magicked into a dog that would then die to test Wanda’s ability to bring back the dead. See, she didn’t kill the dog, she’s not totally evil!
I also thought the implication was that Fietro was Agatha in disguise, trying to find out more about Wanda. She didn’t really know what the guy looked like, hence the approximation.
Wasn’t there a scene when Monica and Jimmy first met at Westview with two local cops from Eastview who both said the town of Westview didn’t exist? It certainly looked like it did considering Vision bought land in it long before any of this happened. Am I completely misremembering that scene?
Implied anti piracy warning here. Don’t try to sell bootleg dvds or we’ll blow up your family.
The scene with Wanda and Vision watching Malcolm in the Middle was genuinely touching. Elizabeth Olsen is leading the charge for Disney+ come awards season.
How on earth did Debra Jo Rupp get third billing in the end credits?
The cops were mind controlled… they kinda implied that right away… Westview is a real place, she just sent the cops packing so they wouldn’t interfere I assume.
That’s the big reveal of the episode, isn’t it? That Hayward manipulated Wanda into all of this because SWORD were stumped on how to bring Vision back to life. She wasn’t there to bring him back, and hadn’t even considered that she could do that… until he accused her of doing so and told her not to, planting the seed.
If that’s the big reveal of the episode then I think they fumbled it a bit. Because she didn’t take the body – so was he trying to get her to create an entirely new Vision (in which case how would that help them reactivate the old one?) or activate the dead body (in which case why didn’t he make sure she took it?).
In the end the White Vision scene felt like a sort of “oh look, we never tried this, just plug some of her power into his dead body” moment, not the culmination of some great plan.
The trouble is that the series is kind of built on these important plot points, so if they fumble the explanation at this point there’s a risk of the whole thing starting to fall apart.
Also it’s been mentioned that the timeline doesn’t work, in that Malcolm in the middle wasn’t around yet when the first flashback scene is supposed to have taken place. Were DVD box sets even common then?
They only watch Malcolm once they’re living at the Avengers facility, don’t they? So mid-2010s. That seems a perfectly reasonable time to be watching that show.
The DVDs when she was a kid were older stuff like Bewitched and I Love Lucy.
So almost certainly bootleg versions
It’s eastern Europe so almost certainly bootleg versions. 
