WandaVision spoiler discussion

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The show starts on Disney+ this Friday, with the first two episodes.

Here’s an article revealing a little more about the show, including what sitcoms are homaged along the way.

Presumably the Malcolm in the Middle-inspired episode will introduce us to twins Tommy and Billy, thus introducing two more Young Avengers to the MCU.

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Quite liked this.  Linked neatly to the earlier eps but also drew more widely too.

Also finding that it works well as a weekly watch too.

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I’m actually a big fan of the shorter episode thing, there was a lot of plot in this episode without any fat at all.

This show has the longest credits per show ratio ever I think though, the actual runtime, including recap and Marvel logo bit is 28 minutes and then 6 minutes of credits. I guess it doesn’t matter on a streaming platform, they are running them very slowly and with every possible credit included like a movie would. You don’t normally see 8 ‘grips’ and individual song credits on a TV show.

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Wanda is certainly enjoying the chance to play happy families but I don’t think she is the source of it all. The radiation suggests some other source is at work, while she is indulging in the environment rather than cleaning it up.

Dottie is “the key to everything in this town” according to Agnes. Neither of them were identified by the FBI in the real world. Neither of them seem to like each other very much.

Jimmy hasn’t found his witness yet, either. We also have not seen Agnes’ husband. Thinking those two may be one and the same. Nobody outside of Westview remembers the witness either, suggesting he may have taken his hiding out to newer, magical levels for some reason.

And what the hell happened to the beekeeper agent anyway?

I took the CBR energies thing as kind of “proof” that Wanda has indeed created a “pocket universe” and that’s why the CBR is so high.

Dave wrote:

‘contaminate’ objects or people that then pass back outside.

I really liked that line connected to Hazmat guy came back looking like a jump rope. The other thing that occurred to me is Darcy did not get blipped and spent the 5 years getting her doctorate. So Maria Rambeau started SWORD after her encounter with the Skrulls(Talos)?

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I took the bit about the radiation being at manageable levels for now to mean that Wanda is actually containing it and stopping it from spreading. That’s what she’s referring to when she tells Vision that she has everything under control.

Watched 3 and 4 last night. Was bored to tears for the first half of 3. The sitcom pastiche is wearing thin already. It was a breath of fresh air when shit hit the fan half way through. I hope this means we are done with the 100% sitcom episodes.

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Bruce wrote:

. I hope this means we are done with the 100% sitcom episodes

We are not. My guess is we’ll be back to them next week, though maybe the ratio of real world to sitcom will be higher.

There’s a clip in the latest promo of Wanda being interviewed Modern Family style.

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We are not. My guess is we’ll be back to them next week, though maybe the ratio of real world to sitcom will be higher.

I think a balance is fine, I think what Bruce is saying is that we hopefully don’t have to sit through a full half hour of Bewitched-lite again.

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It was a fairly good episode that explained a little bit, but not very much. Honestly, it reminded me a lot of AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D.

The new version of S.W.O.R.D. in this is interesting and, obviously, Hayward seems to be a bad guy. If he is somehow part of whatever is behind this remains to be seen, but… probably? When he said that Monica’s mother instituted the policy that “grounded” her, I was like “sure she did. Yeah, let me see that in writing.”

S.W.O.R.D seems to have the same mandate of “protection from extraterrestrial threats” but is it a governmental agency or contractor of some kind?

Also, it was great to see Jimmy Woo and Darcy Lewis show up.

 

Dave wrote:

Steve Sensible wrote:

We are not. My guess is we’ll be back to them next week, though maybe the ratio of real world to sitcom will be higher.

I think a balance is fine, I think what Bruce is saying is that we hopefully don’t have to sit through a full half hour of Bewitched-lite again.

Yeah. I’m on board for more sitcom sections but I would rather go out to the shed and hammer nails into my scrotum than sit through a half hour of solid sitcom homage.

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Line it is Drawn: WandaVision Takes Over Other Sitcoms

https://www.cbr.com/wandavision-taking-over-other-sitcoms-gallery/

I enjoyed the callback to Ant-Man and the Wasp when Jimmy presented his card to Monica. That made me smile.

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JRCarter wrote:

Line it is Drawn: WandaVision Takes Over Other Sitcoms

https://www.cbr.com/wandavision-taking-over-other-sitcoms-gallery/

Finally giving the people what they want.

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Hey, Wanda could make even more sandwiches than Mrs Doyle.

“Ahh, would you have a cup of tea now? Ah go on! Go on go on…”

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Todd wrote:

I enjoyed the callback to Ant-Man and the Wasp when Jimmy presented his card to Monica. That made me smile.

That was a moment where I wondered if the writers thought of that or if the actor suggested it. In television shows, the actors often know the characters better than the writers because of changes to the teams and Marvel movies are almost like television shows now.

So, were they unable to identify Dottie? Also, we haven’t seen Agnes’ husband (Ralph?), yet. Could that be significant?

Why did the guy in the space suit turn into a beekeeper? Just because it would be the most appropriate to the show or because there is some sort of “hive” underneath the town? What happened to that guy anyway? Did he become a character in the next episode?

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Also, we haven’t seen Agnes’ husband (Ralph?), yet. Could that be significant?

Yeah I’m fairly sure it’s significant… Most people are theorizing Ralph is Mephisto or someone like that, I don’t think that’s the case… But I can’t quite speculate who he might be because it all depends of a couple of other important factors we don’t have any info on yet…

My thinking is: Okay, so Wanda has created a pocket reality in Westview for whatever reason… good… but WHY Westview? Why was she in the middle of nowhere to begin with? That’s the first unkown…

Then there’s Vision himself… we got a glimpse of corpse-vision, but we don’t know if that’s actually Vision’s corpse or if Wanda saw him like that momentarly because of her brief “awakening”…. So is that the actual body we last saw in Infinity War?? That’s the second unkown…

BUT, this being the IMCU where “everything has to be connected because IMCU”, I’m thinking that this “Ralph” guy is the witsec guy Woo is looking for (that much is obvious) and it’s possible that Wanda is in Westview because she was looking for him for some reason… but that’s where it gets tricky:

IF that is indeed Vision’s corpse, did Wanda bring it with her? and if so, why? another scenario is that Wanda went looking for Vision’s corpse because someone stole it… Maybe this witsec/Ralph guy might be someone who could fix him, or someone who’s experimenting/analysing him on behalf of and agency or whomever else… And given that he’s in witsec, is he a criminal, have we seen him already? so, who could fit those profiles?

Well, maybe Justin Hammer, who’s a criminal eligible for witsec and is a tech guy… buuut… you know, Justin Hammer, the silly dance guy. Maybe Strucker survived somehow? I dunno… I have a feeling it’s someone we’ve already seen somewhere… but yeah, it’s kinda hard to speculate when we still don’t have that much info on the reasons for Wanda being in Westview in the first place…

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Maybe Monica’s boss at SWORD is behind it. Wasn’t he working on stuff that was implied to be questionable and related to A.I.?

Getting him out of the way at the end of this story would then allow Monica to move up to a more senior Nick-Fury-like role for her next appearance in the MCU.

Yeah he could be behind it for sure… plus, you know, he seems shady. He could’ve hired the mysterious “Ralph” for something in exchange of the witsec deal. And he might also be trying to get rid of Monica who’s clearly heir to the organization…

I kinda hope that’s not the case though, because that would just be Hydra all over again and that’s kinda lame… but hey, it’s Marvel we’re talking about… they keep remaking Iron Man 1 over and over and over again, so…

Jon wrote:

IF that is indeed Vision’s corpse, did Wanda bring it with her? and if so, why? another scenario is that Wanda went looking for Vision’s corpse because someone stole it… Maybe this witsec/Ralph guy might be someone who could fix him, or someone who’s experimenting/analysing him on behalf of and agency or whomever else… And given that he’s in witsec, is he a criminal, have we seen him already? so, who could fit those profiles? Well, maybe Justin Hammer, who’s a criminal eligible for witsec and is a tech guy… buuut… you know, Justin Hammer, the silly dance guy. Maybe Strucker survived somehow? I dunno… I have a feeling it’s someone we’ve already seen somewhere… but yeah, it’s kinda hard to speculate when we still don’t have that much info on the reasons for Wanda being in Westview in the first place…

Good theories. Note, they made a special point of revealing that one of the scientists in the van was an A.I. specialist and when Hayward was showing Monica around the SWORD H.Q., he mentioned A.I. again as part of the “Sentient Weapons” they were looking to use. So, Vision’s body would be a valuable item to acquire since Ultron’s technology was pretty much a few thousand years more advanced than anything else on Earth.

Good idea that the Witness Protection missing person is possibly some villain we’ve seen before. Maybe a former A.I.M. person as well, but H.Y.D.R.A. keeps popping up in the commercials so maybe Wanda’s subconscious is trying to clue her in (or send an S.O.S. outside) that there is someone manipulating this. Strucker would have known that she watched sitcoms, of course – as well as anyone in his group – and maybe he put some sort of post-hypnotic suggestion in the television show signals that he planned to use later if they ever got out of his control. Something anyone who knew about it could later use.

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Todd wrote:
I enjoyed the callback to Ant-Man and the Wasp when Jimmy presented his card to Monica. That made me smile.
That was a moment where I wondered if the writers thought of that or if the actor suggested it. In television shows, the actors often know the characters better than the writers because of changes to the teams and Marvel movies are almost like television shows now.

It could be a little of both. The Woo we see here is more mature and professional. In Ant-Man and the Wasp, there was a bit where Woo, after seeing Lang do the card trick, is trying unsuccessfully to replicate it by watching the same video Lang did.

By successfully completing the trick, it quickly establishes that Woo has grown as a character during the five-year Snap Gap. Here, he wasn’t as “goofy” as he was in the movie.

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Good theories. Note, they made a special point of revealing that one of the scientists in the van was an A.I. specialist and when Hayward was showing Monica around the SWORD H.Q., he mentioned A.I. again as part of the “Sentient Weapons” they were looking to use. So, Vision’s body would be a valuable item to acquire since Ultron’s technology was pretty much a few thousand years more advanced than anything else on Earth. Good idea that the Witness Protection missing person is possibly some villain we’ve seen before. Maybe a former A.I.M. person as well, but H.Y.D.R.A. keeps popping up in the commercials so maybe Wanda’s subconscious is trying to clue her in (or send an S.O.S. outside) that there is someone manipulating this. Strucker would have known that she watched sitcoms, of course – as well as anyone in his group – and maybe he put some sort of post-hypnotic suggestion in the television show signals that he planned to use later if they ever got out of his control. Something anyone who knew about it could later use.

I think you’re into something there, because yeah they did mention A.I. waaaay too many times for it to be a coincidence.

Another thing to consider is the fact that, in one of those dumb “plot convenience” moves, Agent Woo apparently hasn’t deemed it importat to inform anyone WHO is the witsec guy he’s looking for… you’d think he would share that information so that at least Darcy coul keep an eye out for him in the broadcast… so that immediatly telegraphs that he’s probably someone we already know and that it’s supposed to be a twist or a suprise… if he was a new or previously unseen character, like Agnes, there would be no need to be coy about him. So with that in mind:

I’m a pretty anti-AIM theory guy, but now that I think about it… it could also be Aldrich Killian, for several reasons: 1) IMCU, so everything is connected to fuckin Stark. 2) Well, the whole AIM angle obviously. 3) I’m pretty sure he was also very much into rather advanced tech, and not only bio-tech. 4) He’d also make a good candidate for a deal of working for an agency under the guise of witsec. 5) He’s got a lot of juice of his own, so he could actually knock Wanda down in case she went looking for a fight. 6) He fits the “twist/surprise” profile.

Plus, and here’s the other thing I didn’t mention in the previous point… Whether this is all Wanda’s doing or not, something or someone must have triggered her going crazy… whether someone is trying to help her or harm her or neither. So this could also tie to the AI thing, maybe someone tried to hook her to an virtual environment (either to trap her or to help her save vision) but her powers are making in real…

Eh.. too many options… I could speculate for days… =P

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Well, the CMBR (Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation) from the Big Bang naturally brings to mind that the Infinity Stones were also created in the Big Bang – though one might make the argument that this is a misinterpretation of the data and the stones were what caused the Big Bang. So, either Wanda’s powers simply have the same signature as the Infinity Stone or someone is using one of them.

Someone else pointed out that CMBR is what caused the static on old television sets as well.

However, it is a good question who would be in witness protection from all the movies so far – excluding Sony properties. Also, who might have a relationship, good or bad, to Wanda? After all, she does not have a good reputation even though she is an Avenger. She was also responsible for a lot of crimes, helped Ultron try to destroy all humanity and accidentally killed a lot of innocent people in Civil War. At heart, she’s a Marvel Villain who doesn’t mean to be.

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is a good question who would be in witness protection from all the movies so far

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Heh he was the first one I though about, but I can only see him if Ralph was only a funny gag easter egg… ’cause that dude is useless as fuck =P

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Well, the CMBR (Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation) from the Big Bang naturally brings to mind that the Infinity Stones were also created in the Big Bang – though one might make the argument that this is a misinterpretation of the data and the stones were what caused the Big Bang. So, either Wanda’s powers simply have the same signature as the Infinity Stone or someone is using one of them.

Someone else pointed out that CMBR is what caused the static on old television sets as well.

However, it is a good question who would be in witness protection from all the movies so far – excluding Sony properties. Also, who might have a relationship, good or bad, to Wanda? After all, she does not have a good reputation even though she is an Avenger. She was also responsible for a lot of crimes, helped Ultron try to destroy all humanity and accidentally killed a lot of innocent people in Civil War. At heart, she’s a Marvel Villain who doesn’t mean to be.

It has to be all building towards Mephisto…

I think MCU Mephisto also originates from the MCU Big Bang…

In the comics he was involved in the birth of Wanda’s twins…

Dottie: The devil’s in the details

Agnes: That’s not the only place he is

As noted, either Dottie or Agnes have been identified by the FBI…

Bit of a stretch but Agnes’ pet rabbit from the magic show was named Senor Scratchy, Old Scratch is another name for the devil and the Nicholas Scratch character from the comics has a connection to Mephisto… and Emma Caulfield (Dottie) obviously has a history of playing characters with rabbit related issues…

Agnes mentioned her wedding anniversary to “Ralph” is 2nd June, which appears to be the start of the Salem witch trials… I can’t see any established connection with Mephisto there but it is not unreasonable to assume she made a deal with him then in order to escape…

The show is meant to be kicking off the next big thing for the MCU and Mephisto would fit into that category, as well as the direction we know the Strange and Spidey films are heading in, and we can start to move away from everything being tied to Stark…

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the MCU Big Bang

Is this a porn parody of Endgame?

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Todd

Is Endgame a euphemism? “Did you Endgame too, dear?”

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I feel like Agnes’ husband and the guy in witness protection might just be McGuffins. Certainly with Agnes’ husband, it feels like the age-old sitcom trope of the character who’s referred to by name but never seen. Like Maris in Frasier, or Norm’s wife in Cheers, or “her indoors” in UK classic TV show, Minder. Hell even Ben Grimm’s aunt Petunia remained unseen for decades.

That doesn’t mean they won’t subvert that trope, but I think Dottie is the one responsible for what Wanda is doing. Maybe she is Mephisto, and she’s using Wanda to give birth to the twins (who in the comics at least, were parts of Mephisto’s soul) so he can have a physical presence in this realm and invade the earth.

For whatever it is worth, which is probably not a lot, the name Dottie originally means “gift of God”…

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That’s a definite Modern Family pastiche towards the end.

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MEPHISTO is a tough sell. Already Marvel has time travel and reality bending. A guy who can literally change the entire universe on a whim is going to open things up a bit too much. What works in the comics is a little harder to sell on screen.

People didn’t think Iron Man was going to work on screen at first, then they didn’t think Captain America would work, then Thor, then Guardians, then Black Panther and so on. If they are going to use Mephisto then I’m entirely willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they can make that work for a mass audience as well.

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Anonymous wrote:

A guy who can literally change the entire universe on a whim is going to open things up a bit too much.

Yes, they’d never have success with a villain who could do that.

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WandaVision: Is SWORD Hiding MCU Fantastic Four Clues?

JRCarter wrote:

WandaVision: Is SWORD Hiding MCU Fantastic Four Clues?

No.

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Steve Sensible wrote:

JRCarter wrote:

WandaVision: Is SWORD Hiding MCU Fantastic Four Clues?

No.

Come on Steve, don’t tell me you can’t see the clues.

How many episodes have they released so far? Four. How many walls did Wanda blast Monica through when she threw her out of the house? Four. How many times have I complained about the show dragging in the early episodes and how they should have released more at once?

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Dave wrote:

Yes, they’d never have success with a villain who could do that.

True – they are pushing it to just literally it’s all magic. Forget the “advanced science that looks like magic” explanation, it’s all just granting wishes.

In the end, that is part of why I have lost a lot of interest in the movies.

Well, imo, the biggest roadblock to using Mephisto would probably be: it’s a Disney movie, so the Devil is probably a no-no… but since he’s called “Mephisto” and doesn’t really look like the more traditional devil, it could be safe enough… who knows…

Still hoping the show takes an opportunity to focus on Wanda and Vision fully, instead of turning into a “baddie of the week was behind it”.

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Well, imo, the biggest roadblock to using Mephisto would probably be: it’s a Disney movie, so the Devil is probably a no-no…

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Jon wrote:

Well, imo, the biggest roadblock to using Mephisto would probably be: it’s a Disney movie, so the Devil is probably a no-no…

Doesn’t China get all weird about certain supernatural and occult themes? Disney bends over backwards to appease the Chinese government, so if they’re going to introduce Mephisto, a D+ series and not a theatrical release is probably how they would do it.

 

China did ban time travel in plots as well, but mainly because the protagonists in their shows were traveling to periods in China’s recent past they didn’t want to remind people about.

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Jon wrote:

Well, imo, the biggest roadblock to using Mephisto would probably be: it’s a Disney movie, so the Devil is probably a no-no…

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That looks like a generic demon, not Satan… the fact that it’s all shadows kinda proves my point there… also, that’s from a while ago…

Hey, I might be wrong about it, but it seems these days Disney will bend over to not offend anyone and try to make as much $$$ as possible… and sure enough, look at “Helstrom”, a little low profile show over at Hulu that probably very few people watched… even that one got as further away from any satanic imagery and associations as it could. So again, I might be wrong, but probably not.

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Doesn’t China get all weird about certain supernatural and occult themes?

In a very inconsistent manner that varies frequently.

It’s often sold as a ‘ban on ghosts’ or ‘ban on time travel’ by western media but in truth not much is actually banned and films featuring both are big successes there. Harry Potter has loads of ghosts in it, Endgame has loads of time travel. The Omen remake did quite well there earlier this year. Hellboy was fine.

It’s extremely difficult to factor in because it seems the objections of the censors are very specific and subjective. Personally looking at the trend I doubt anything in the superficial manner a Marvel film would approach these subjects would cause any real problems.

Yeah, it is much more likely many Americans would get upset with the Devil in Marvel movies. There are demon lords all over Chinese fantasy movies, often depicted sympathetically as well.

In fact, it is interesting how Chinese producers are broadly imitating the Marvel and X-Men movies and television shows using Chinese mythology as the basis.

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it is much more likely many Americans would get upset with the Devil in Marvel movies.

I wonder about that. I don’t recall there being a huge outcry at the introduction of an entire race of Norse gods, the concept of which goes against the monotheistic faith of many religions in the US. I would think we could handle the Devil, who is at least a figure in the Christian construct, as long as he is not shown in a sympathetic or heroic light.

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as long as he is not shown in a sympathetic or heroic light.

Like if he tried to destroy a Marvel character’s marriage and permanently succeeded?

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WandaVision Star Teases Series’ ‘Luke Skywalker’ Moment

Definitely not setting unreasonable expectations.

 

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WandaVision Star Teases Series’ ‘Luke Skywalker’ Moment

Definitely not setting unreasonable expectations.

 

It seems to me the obvious choice is for a Deus Ex Cameo is Doctor Strange. Come to think of it, if this is an issue of magical nature, shouldn’t he already be all over it?

[Steve Sensible]

I think in this context, a “Luke Skywalker” moment has to be someone back from the dead, doesn’t it? So… Quicksilver?

EDIT: I don’t watch The Mandalorian so I may have misunderstood what happened in it.

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You’re all going to be disappointed when the last episode has everyone saved by Gwyneth Paltrow.

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You’re all going to be disappointed when the last episode has everyone saved by Gwyneth Paltrow.

If she defeats the bad-guys with her exploding vagina candles, I’ll be the exact opposite of disappointed!

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The Twitter-verse has decided Olsen is talking about Magneto. I’m betting against the Twitter-verse on this occasion…

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Hell, why not CGI Luke Skywalker? They could drop that guy into any Disney property.

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I’m betting Nicholas Hammond Spider-Man shows up to save the day.

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I see your Nicholas Hammond Spider-Man and raise you:

Steve Sensible wrote:

I think in this context, a “Luke Skywalker” moment has to be someone back from the dead, doesn’t it?

If it’s someone dead, I’ll go with Tony Stark.

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It may not be who Elizabeth Olsen is talking about, but I’ll be surprised if Quicksilver doesn’t show up at some point. Vision spent the whole of episode 3 using super-speed, including running with the doctor on his back. Why would he do that when he can fly?

Maybe he can run faster than he can fly.

It would be odd if Wanda had the chance to create an idealised life with dead loved ones and did not bring back Pietro at some point. The zany sibling supporting character is also a fine sitcom trope.

I think I’ve worked out who Olsen must be referring to.

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Well wouldn’t a “Luke Skywalker” moment actually be more like a Tony Stark or a Cap moment in this context? Ugh I hope not… I still hope it’s quicksilver… if they’re ever bringing him back, now’s the time.

Also, I saw there were some massive spoilers, but I couldn’t find them, apparently Marvel was very quick to bring them down… but apparently they were really huge, so I guess be careful with spoilers?

I found the spoiler. This is not a joke (although it might turn ot to not be true) so click only if you like being spoiled:

The Quicksilver from the X-Men films, played by Evan Peters, makes an appearance.

If you want to discuss this spoiler, please do it in spoiler tags. I know this is a spoiler thread but that is, I assume, in regards to episodes already released.

ohhh thanks… maybe I did see it then, I just didn’t realize the context of what I saw… meh… that’s… odd, I guess, and in a lot of ways.

Also, yeah don’t click on that spoiler if you guys don’t wanna know anything because IF true, that’s a pretty big spoiler.

Now that I think about it… it’s really weird that something like that would be leaked… Marvel is pretty frickin good at leak control. In fact, the video where I heard about the leak was precisely about that topic, on whether it was an actual leak or a tactical leak… it does make me wonder.

Not clicking that link.

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Dave wrote:

You’re all going to be disappointed when the last episode has everyone saved by Gwyneth Paltrow.

If she defeats the bad-guys with her exploding vagina candles, I’ll be the exact opposite of disappointed!

Coffee colonics for everyone!

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Coffee colonics

That sounds like a Stan Lee superhero alter ego from the 1970s.

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Dave wrote:

Todd wrote:

Coffee colonics

That sounds like a Stan Lee superhero alter ego from the 1970s.

Face front, True Believer!

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Dave wrote:

That sounds like a Stan Lee superhero alter ego from the 1970s.

Didn’t Green Goblin tell Peter he was originally going to call himself Coffee Man in the Jenkins/Ramos SSM run?

I remember reading that in swedish so it may have been something else in english. I very shortly thereafter switched to english comics. Arr!

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Dave wrote:

That sounds like a Stan Lee superhero alter ego from the 1970s.

Didn’t Green Goblin tell Peter he was originally going to call himself Coffee Man in the Jenkins/Ramos SSM run?

I remember reading that in swedish so it may have been something else in english. I very shortly thereafter switched to english comics. Arr!

Yeah, that’s a funny scene.

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Hahaha! Thanks, D!  think that’s one of my all-time favourite Green Goblin/Spider-Man interactions that isn’t entirely violence. I need to do a re-read of SSM.

Anonymous wrote:

the obvious choice is for a Deus Ex Cameo is Doctor Strange.

Yea but we all know that Dr. Strange is involved so there is no surprise. Loki is also magical but back from death is kinda obvious. Since Luke is kinda the linchpin of Star Wars, They could bring back the Linchpin of the MCU. An RDJ cameo ticks all those boxes. You have a dead Vision why not a dead Iron Man.

Another Wandavision theory:

WandaVision Fans Think This Leak Might Confirm the Show Will Finally Bring X-Men Into the MCU

IS MCU Strucker dead? interesting connection would be Mags finds out old Nazi(strucker) experimented on his child(Wanda).

Oh I know wait…at the end of those “modern family interview style” scenes, the camera turns around and we find Wanda’s been talking to Wade Wilson… double wall breaking =P

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Todd

Hah, I’m glad I wasn’t spoiled for that.

[Steve Sensible]

Ho. Lee. Shit!

I might have seen that coming. But I did not see THAT coming!

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Ha! I didn’t think the leak was for this episode… that’s pretty meta, not gonna lie, but yeah still odd… You’d think Marvel would want to stay the fuck away from all that clusterfuck (even though he was one of the most popular chars for sure).

First of all, thank god it’s not back to full sitcom episodes because this one wasn’t great… those 2.30 minutes of “opening credits” almost made me quit the show entirely… that was a really cringy waste of my time… u_u

Also, lots of interesting bits this episode… the most notable one is how they completely fucked up on last episode and had “norm’s file” reference this week’s episode… I mean, sure it’s not like you could read it while watching the show, but with the internet, they should’ve been more careful… fun oopsie I guess…

Also, I guess we can safely say that Agnes is definetly not behind any of this… she was truly terrified this week.

And this weeks “commercial” also proves my theory of the commercials just being a reference to key moments in her life.

Oh one thing I didn’t like at all were the references to Thanos and Captain Marvel… The former because, how the fuck whould she know what happened exactly??? And the second was painfully forced and honestly that whole scene was very badly written and acted by everyone involved.

Well, anyhow, if anyone’s “behind” anything, I guess we can assume it’s stereotypical white evil guy… meh…

Bleh, I’ll post more later… xD

[Jon]

Dave wrote:

WandaVision Star Teases Series’ ‘Luke Skywalker’ Moment

Oh by the way, after this episode? Yeah, Hugh Jackman… calling it… that would be an actual “Luke Skywalker” moment.

Edit: wait, no, it could also be Deadpool, despite me joking about it earlier, because I did read they’re going forward with a 3rd movie… and yeah, he’s popular enough that he’d make people go batshit crazy AND he’s already super meta himself, so sure… he actually makes more sense.

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I didn’t recognise the actor at first so that was a moment that had been foreshadowed quite well turned into an interesting metatextual twist.

lorcan_nagle wrote:

I didn’t recognise the actor at first so that was a moment that had been foreshadowed quite well turned into an interesting metatextual twist.

It’s also how you get to a multiverse. She brought her brother here from a different universe. It’s honestly the perfect way to address the X-Men movies… they happened, but on another earth. So there can still be all those characters in the MCU, but they can be recast and done “right.”

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pshh… gimme Fantfourstic’s Human Torch and then we’re cooking =P

I accidentally read the spoiler line yesterday and it was so far from left field I just thought it was a joke.

I don’t think the Deadpool theory is very likely, while they are going ahead with it I think the R rated approach bars too much crossover. I suspect we’ll just see a lot more MCU jokes in DP3. This is the same company that won’t put any Max books on their comics app and keeps Disney+ stricly PG.

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lorcan_nagle

Can we talk about how this was the creepiest moment of this series so far..?

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Uncle Retrospective, Christian, Rocket, Todd, garjones, lorcan_nagle

Man, I kinda feel bad for DC… xD

Agnes black short dress with stripes was awesome.

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Todd

[Steve Sensible]

The more I think about this episode the more I love it. I don’t know whether it’s intentional or not, but it’s even a nod to DC’s multiverse, which was first introduced in a story called The Flash of Two Worlds.

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Interestingly, the stuff with Wanda stealing Vision’s body is a reference to a never-shot post-credits scene from Endgame: https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/wandavision-episode-4-dead-vision-corpse-wanda-avengers-endgame-deleted-post-credits-scene/

“At one point I was going to be in a tag, where [Wanda] opened a sort of body bag drawer and there was the Vision,” Bettany said. “Kevin kind of talked to me and said, ‘I’ve got to pull the shots.'”

This scrapped scene appears in Endgame’s official concept art book, Marvel’s Avengers: Endgame – The Art of the Movie, showing Wanda using her powers on the dead Vision.

All of the talk of Wanda not having a code name was very on-the-nose in a way that definitely felt deliberate.

The Captain Marvel line was odd too. I guess Monica hasn’t seen her since she was a kid, but I assume Carol met back up with her mother at some point the time between the snap and her death. I suppose Monica is mad at her for not coming back sooner?

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Todd

I thought it was all pretty tedious this week to be honest, with virtually no progression in the story.

I don’t really care about the fanwank multiversal stuff hinted at by the ending, in that (at this point, at least) it doesn’t add to the story being told and instead is more about stuff outside the show.

My fear with the multiversal stuff in general is that everything disappears up its own meta arsehole. I think you can definitely tell interesting multiverse stories without that happening, but the way it’s used in this episode feels like it’s being done to create more of a “wow” moment in its own right, and one that’s more about tying up the MCU and X-Men movies rather than the story Wandavision is telling.

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Dave wrote:

everything disappears up its own meta arsehole

You either die an asshole or live long enough to see yourself become the poop.

Or was that the other way around?

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paul f wrote:

Interestingly, the stuff with Wanda stealing Vision’s body is a reference to a never-shot post-credits scene from Endgame:

It’s also pretty much a direct lift from West Coast Avengers #43.

Since nothing is left to chance in this show, I wonder if the tiger ornament on the kitchen table was a reference to another West Coast Avenger.

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Todd, lorcan_nagle

Yeah that’s why I said it would be an odd choice to bring the Foxmen Pietro into this, because it’s either just a meta-cameo… which is cute and all… or it could also literally be the Foxmen Pietro… which could actually work, since we only saw him in DOFP, Apocalypse & AP, and not it X-Men 1 through 3, which could mean that they could retcon Pietro not being in those first movies because of Wanda literally snatching him out of his universe… I mean, that’s where they could go with this…

But then you get into a whole rather unnecessary mess of canonizing everything, and is it really worth doing that??? Do we really want Fantfourstic and that horrible Inhumans show as part of the “canon”? I guess they could do that, and that’s one way cherry-picking what they want to keep and leave out what they don’t but eh… that would really be getting into a ton of fan-wankery as you said.

I do agree that this episode felt a bit tedious… the sitcom episode felt tedious because it’s getting repetitive, and the real world bits also felt tedious with the “hey look we mentioned Thanos and Captain Marvel” on-the-nose fan-service…

I just don’t think it really went anywhere, bar Vision being allowed to get a bit more angry about realising things are ‘off’ (which we had kind of seen previously anyway). Not sure it was worth 40 minutes of TV. And even the sitcom parody/observational stuff felt less sharp this week (given the 80s vibe, why was it all in widescreen rather than fullscreen?).

Hopefully next episode gets back to the story at hand and gives us some proper development again. After what felt like a decent push forwards at the end of episode 3 it’s really slumped again.

And hopefully it doesn’t end up being five hours of TV that exists mainly to clarify the continuity status of the X-Men movies. It’ll feel like a DC event comic.

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[Steve Sensible]

Jon wrote:

Yeah that’s why I said it would be an odd choice to bring the Foxmen Pietro into this, because it’s either just a meta-cameo… which is cute and all… or it could also literally be the Foxmen Pietro

Kevin Feige said ages ago that this series leads into The Multiverse of Madness. Wanda said she can’t resurrect the dead*, but that doesn’t stop her plucking her brother from another universe.

As to what becomes canon and what doesn’t, it doesn’t matter. This is a way for Marvel Studios to say they’re not completely dismissing those movies, but they’re not part of the MCU – they’re the Fox Universe, which is Earth 9 billion and whatever.

They’re having their cake AND eating it.

*Which raises the question of whether Vision will survive beyond WandaVision, or if he doesn’t count as being alive or dead because he’s a machine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Steve Sensible wrote:

As to what becomes canon and what doesn’t, it doesn’t matter.

I agree. Given that, let’s hope it doesn’t become the main focus of five hours of TV.

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Dave wrote:

I agree. Given that, let’s hope it doesn’t become the main focus of five hours of TV.

Five hours of TV? heh… try the next 5-10 years of MCU content… I mean, like Steve said, this is very much leading into “Multiverse of Madness”, but before that we have Homecoming 3: into the spiderverse 2.0… Oh and then there’s the Loki show which also seems to be about multiverse stuff… aaaaaaaand the whole upcoming What if show which is multiverse-oriented too by definition… sooo yeah, it seems that’s where they’re going now… =/

I bet DC is jumping for joy right now after they made a big deal about announcing their multiverse last year… xD

Jon wrote:

I bet DC is jumping for joy right now after they made a big deal about announcing their multiverse last year… xD

DC were behind either way though, as it’s not like this stuff is entirely new to the MCU – parts of Infinity War, Endgame and Spider-Man Far From Home also dealt with the multiverse and connected ideas.

The difference there though was that all the multiverses were new, rather than trying to pull in old existing alternate takes on the same ideas and tying them all into the MCU through that device.

Jon wrote:

Loki show which also seems to be about multiverse stuff

Where’s that coming from? It’s more about time travel as far as I can tell, Loki playing a part in minor historical events.