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The Dutch high council of law recently made euthanasia in cases of dementia legal by refusing to prosecute a doctor who euthanized a patient for this reason. At the patient’s request obviously.

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  • #32598

    @Christian … we’ve talked about your spontaneous rambo rampages before…

    Come on man, not cool

  • #32627

    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/mary-kay-letourneau-vili-fualauu-relationship-media-child-rape-tryst-1025466/

    I think South Park did well, ages ago now, in showing how messed up this double standard is in the episode Miss Teacher Bangs A Boy. You’ve got Kyle telling anyone who’ll listen that his brother’s being abused and everyone in authority just goes “nice”. Which is not far from some of the judges of the cases mentioned in that article.

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  • #32751

    There is always news about this: Some female teacher getting it on with a male teen high school student and people still crack jokes like “Where was she when I was in in school?”, give a thumbs up to the kid etc.

    Very few call it rape….

    I am not a psychologist but I did read that when a kid gets exposed to sex/pornography/touching etc. before they are old enough to process it, it can damage them.

  • #32812

    I am not a psychologist but I did read that when a kid gets exposed to sex/pornography/touching etc. before they are old enough to process it, it can damage them.

    Likening being subjected to porn and child abuse in the same sentence is ludicrous to me. It’s like saying “exposure to sunlight/scratching/napalm could damage the skin”. But I get the point.

    Met a guy at the Urkult festival last year and we played the one-story-life-story game, where you get to tell one story that you think is character defining. He told us of when he and his best friend was five-six years old, both living in a ghetto with alcoholic parents. They found a cache of porn mags in the forest and sold them for 50 öre (0.05$) per page to “that greek geezer that didn’t speak swedish” who lived in the same building,  but kept some to show their friends. One day they decided to try out what was happening on the pages. So they did for a while, I won’t go into detail (but he did). They didn’t, however, understand the point of it. At all. And after a while they dumped the mags in the geezers mailbox.

    Whatever damage that did to him, it probably won’t compare to whatever he was subjected to/lacking from growing up with uncaring adults.

    If the one story game was winnable, I’d say he won.

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  • #32837

    You know Anders, I was going to rail against you, but since you said you get the point…

    Again, we are not psychologists, but there is a reason why things with sexual content is said to be for adults, parental discretion, no one under 18, etc…

    In the case of Letourneau, she came on to him when he was 12. Some don’t call it rape, but rape does not have to be some guy attacking a woman, violently dragging her somewhere, etc. People have to have the broader definition of rape…

    Anders, I’ll take your story and raise you two:

    There was an entertainer (not mentioning his name) who shuttled back and forth between his two divorced parents. His mom’s way of teaching him about the birds and the bees was to give him pornographic magazines at the age of eight. He said he “lost his virginity at 11” in an interview. Anyway, early in his career, he was performing in briefs and rubbing himself and against the other male musicians on stage which had many people wondering about him. Later on, he did admit that the magazines he was exposed to at the early age had something to do with early conduct.

    There was another man who as a kid played hide and seek in the basement. There, he accidentally came across his father’s secret stash of magazines and started looking at them. He became addicted to it for most of his life.

    Hey, it can vary from child to child, and I am not an expert on this, but there is a reason for “this is not for those under 18”

    Wrapping it up, as a society, we should have a broader definition of the word “rape”, watch over the children a lot better, and our reaction to a teacher coming on to a student should be different.

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  • #32841

    In the case of Letourneau, she came on to him when he was 12. Some don’t call it rape, but rape does not have to be some guy attacking a woman, violently dragging her somewhere, etc. People have to have the broader definition of rape…

    Doesn’t the law already divide it into rape (forcing someone against their will) and statutory rape (sex with someone below the age of consent so they can’t make an informed decision)?

    The press treated Letourneau very differently to the law. The coverage was very light hearted and didn’t take it seriously but she did go to jail for a significant stretch.

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  • #32850

    Doesn’t the law already divide it into rape

    I think Al referring to how people look at “rape”, not how the law defines it. As the rest of your post suggests, the media didn’t treat the Latourneau case with the same seriousness they would have if the aggressor was male and the victim was a 12-year-old girl. Instead, too many people think a pre-teen boy “getting some” is something for him to be proud and something we wish had happened to us at that age, rather than acknowledge that what occurred is against the law. In that sense, our society needs to accept and defend the broader definition of rape rather than thinking of it as wish-fulfillment.

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  • #32854

    In a lot of countries, the legal definition of rape excluded men from being victims for a long time.  It was only updated in 2013 in the US, for example.

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  • #32855

    The article he originally raised though does acknowledge a change in that. She was almost celebrated 25 years or so back, getting a People magazine cover with the child of a child, and that isn’t the same now. I can’t see any circumstances that cover would be approved in 2020.

    It’s still not taken with the seriousness of a male on female child abuse case but there’s been a significant move in that direction.

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  • #32857

    I was going to rail against you

    Molon labe, my dude!

    it can vary from child to child

    I’m one 100% with you on that. And context to context. Like I said, I get the point. Kids looking at porn is kinda commonplace though, and while we need to be mindful about what they’re being subjected to it’s even in the worst case scenario not nearly as bad as the psychological trauma laid upon ALL children that are victims of rape regardless of degree.

    There may be exceptions but those are few and far between.

    I don’t think it’s reasonable to, as a society, have one discussion about these things. I think there has to be two separate discussion. That’s what I meant when I said I don’t like seeing those things in the same sentence.

    and I am not an expert on this

    While I, as we all know, is an expert on everything. Expertise in things where one has zero experience seems to be a common trait for white males in my age bracket. Bonus expertise for those that live with their mom which, heh, I do.

    Also, I am always 100% serious and physically incapable of telling lies.

    there is a reason for “this is not for those under 18”

    That reason is in big part a legal one. It’s a federal crime to distribute or sell porn to a minor in the USA. They’re legally obliged to confirm their visitors are over 18. Now, I’m not saying pornhub is evil but I’m pretty sure they don’t confirm my age because of a morality issue on their end. It’s just the law. They have to.

    Doesn’t the law already divide it into rape (forcing someone against their will) and statutory rape (sex with someone below the age of consent so they can’t make an informed decision)?

    Depends on where you are, I guess. Here the law separates “rape” and “child rape” as concepts where the latter is meant to deal with minors who are not yet sexually developed. There is no “statutory rape” here. Since the age of consent is 15, it’s legal to have sex with a minors as long as he or she is over 15. Unless you’re their parent, guardian or a by the government mandated care-taker. If so, the age of consent is raised to 18.

    Child rape is legally absolute in that it doesn’t matter if there is consent. The law specifically says it doesn’t give two shits. Whereas in the case of regular rape given consent is a matter that’s taken into account.

  • #32859

    I did something. See below.

  • #32861

    I tried dividing a post that couldn’t be posted and now I know that the forum will not allow you to post the name of that hub with the all the porn unless you break it up in some way. Like boldening the first letter as such: PORNHUB! See!

    PORNHUB PORNHUB PORNHUB PORNHUB PORNHUB PORNHUB PORNHUB PORNHUB PORNHUB PORNHUB PORNHUB PORNHUB PORNHUB PORNHUB

  • #32867

    I get the point. Kids looking at porn is kinda commonplace though,

    I think there’s some nuance around this though. I saw porn as a child, the UK mags were mostly just naked women, my mate had a dad who got some more daring Swedish ones that had stills of penetration. There’s a strong argument both were actually quite educational. Without them I’d probably have been quite bemused in my first teenage sexual contact.

    I look at some current internet stuff and there’s a lot of grabbing necks, choking, slapping, women having their hair grabbed as a cock is forced into their mouths until they gag. There are a few reports that young men having sex for the first time think that’s normal and they have ended up in court as a result.

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  • #32868

    I look at some current internet stuff and there’s a lot of grabbing necks, choking, slapping, women having their hair grabbed as a cock is forced into their mouths until they gag. There are a few reports that young men having sex for the first time think that’s normal and they have ended up in court as a result.

    There was a Japanese porn star in the 90s who was very popular, his video format was to meet and interview a girl, then have sex with her, and then climax on her face, because it’s illegal to show genitals in most Japanese media, but not to show… fluids hitting someone’s face.  This proved that at least he’d been sufficiently aroused, I guess.  It lead to a spate of confused Japanese teens who thought that was just how you had sex.

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  • #32882

    I look at some current internet stuff and there’s a lot of grabbing necks, choking, slapping, women having their hair grabbed as a cock is forced into their mouths until they gag. There are a few reports that young men having sex for the first time think that’s normal and they have ended up in court as a result.

    There was a Japanese porn star in the 90s who was very popular, his video format was to meet and interview a girl, then have sex with her, and then climax on her face, because it’s illegal to show genitals in most Japanese media, but not to show… fluids hitting someone’s face.  This proved that at least he’d been sufficiently aroused, I guess.  It lead to a spate of confused Japanese teens who thought that was just how you had sex.

    • This reply was modified 4 years, 5 months ago by lorcan_nagle.

    There’s an old Dara O’Briain routine about this, about how there’s a generation that will never conceive children if they have sex like the porn they watch.

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  • #32954

    In a lot of countries, the legal definition of rape excluded men from being victims for a long time. It was only updated in 2013 in the US, for example.

    So they are now saying “All rapes matter”.

     

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  • #33011

    So now the black bird watcher in Central Park is not going to cooperate with the case against the white lady who lied about him calling the police. Apparently, he wants to drop it and move on.

  • #33013

    I can see his point. If you read the excellent Jon Ronson book “So You’ve Been Publicly Shamed’ it goes into cases like this and whether the punishments always fit the crime because of the social justice aspect. What she did was truly awful but she has already lost her job, is persona non grata and will struggle to get a new one at that level so he’s thinking that’s probably enough punishment.

    He used to be an editor at Marvel Comics by the way.

     

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  • #33014

    She is charged with a hate crime and faces a year in jail.

    He doesn’t want to put the final nail in the coffin. Thing is, other black people are mad at him, saying he is going soft on her.

    Also, the prosecution said they don’t really need him as they have the full “smoking gun” video.

  • #33026

    Thing is, other black people are mad at him, saying he is going soft on her. Also, the prosecution said they don’t really need him as they have the full “smoking gun” video.

    I can see how that is frustrating to the community but if he’s been subjected to Thing it is just Thing in the eyes of the law and the morality surrounding it. It’s as such noone elses business if he’s the purposed victim and don’t want to pursue it any further. His moral obligations ends whereever he wants it to. Right?

    But, as I said, I can see how the community feels righteous indignation in regards to the pursuit of justice for hate crimes. I would too.

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  • #33042

    This won’t mean anything to anyone except the Irish contingent here. I just had a flurry of phone calls. And, amongst other stuff, did you hear the news? (No I took a break. But yay? Good news. Nope).

    It’s the end of an era. No more Easons Oop North because coronavirus.

    I know time seems all over the place lately. Today must be Friday 13th.

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  • #33050

    He doesn’t want to put the final nail in the coffin.

    I think from his perspective dropping the charges is the final nail in the coffin.

  • #33060

    So now the black bird watcher in Central Park is not going to cooperate with the case against the white lady who lied about him calling the police. Apparently, he wants to drop it and move on.

    Fair play to him. In a statement he indicated that he felt she had suffered enough (public shaming, loss of her job, etc). He probably wants to just get on with his life.

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  • #33123

    Three white men charged in killing of Black jogger in Georgia plead not guilty

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-georgia-shooting/three-white-men-charged-in-killing-of-an-unarmed-black-jogger-in-georgia-plead-not-guilty-idUSKCN24I201

    Of course, they did. They don’t think they were wrong. Neither did George Zimmerman.

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  • #33291

    EDIT: I wrote a post that isn’t showing up, I’m posting it again now – sorry if it shows up twice now…

    @Christian … we’ve talked about your spontaneous rambo rampages before…

    Come on man, not cool

    If by “not cool”, you mean “absolutely and thoroughly cool”, yeah, sure!

    (The news reports here about this guy were kind of awesome. Stuff the short BBC report left out: This started when, as the article says, he “disarmed” four police officers – meaning he had them put down their weapons, then took them, then withdrew into the forest where he continued to live for days, hiding out in camouflage and easily avoiding the police who were searching for him with literally thousands of cops and helicopters and the like because he was a fucking Aragorn-ranger-kind-of-type. Also, when they caught him he had a lot of weapons with him (lying on the ground before him), but first he was all quiet and when he went into a rage, he attacked them with a fucking axe! I mean, so he was a violent right-wing extremist insanen person, but still…)

    https://headtopics.com/images/2020/7/17/bild/oppenau-wald-rambo-yves-rausch-31-endlich-gefasst-1284221538661732358.webp

    I also love that this is a case in which the nickname “Rambo” actually fits with the narrative of the first movie, and that’s it not just a monicker for an alpha-male action guy.

  • #33294

    It showed up long enough for me to read it. Where did it go?

    I’m so tired, I was halfway through reading it again before I realised I’d read it before. That said, your posts always warrant reading twice, Christian.

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  • #33312

    Not sure whether that speaks to depth or to indecipherability, but being an optimist, I’ll choose to believe the former :)

  • #33315

    Not sure whether that speaks to depth or to indecipherability, but being an optimist, I’ll choose to believe the former :)

    The latter never occurred to me. I love your words.

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  • #33717

    So this was making the rounds locally.
    Posting multiple links because it’s real (I really had to check when I got home).

    Haven’t read yet, but now that I know it isn’t a joke or meme I say good on them for talking about a touchy subject.
    Sex with strangers during a global pandemic while you’ve just opened things up a little could be asking for trouble.

    Of course the jokes came fast and furious (ahem!), but talk like adults.
    If not your thing and/or offended, then back out of discussion.
    Don’t spread misinformation, or judgement.

    Try ‘glory holes’ for safer sex during coronavirus, B.C. CDC says

    “Glory holes” listed among BC health officials’ tips for safe sex amid pandemic

    ‘Proud to be Canadian’: BCCDC ‘glory holes’ sex tip makes international headlines
    The news has also reached the Vice President of YouPorn, Charlie Hughes, who has stated that the company will offer a $100,000 grant to support the construction of glory holes B.C.-wide.

    B.C. officially endorses glory holes as COVID-19 safe sex method

    B.C. health officials are recommending an age-old, occasionally cutting-edge tactic for sex during the coronavirus pandemic: “glory holes.”

    The B.C. Centre for Disease Control added new recommendations for socially distant sex to its COVID-19 website this week. One of those tips was to try using a “glory hole” — a hole cut into a wall that’s only large enough for a penis to slip through.

    Glory holes are typically used for anonymous oral or penetrative sex, according to Urban Dictionary, but they’re also an excellent way to limit physical contact during intercourse, the B.C. CDC says.

    “Use barriers, like walls (e.g., glory holes), that allow for sexual contact but prevent close face-to-face contact,” the health organization writes on its website.

    The recommendation is just a tip and not a firm rule, according to the website.

    The site includes many other tips for reducing your risk of spreading the coronavirus during sex, such as wearing a mask, refraining from kissing, using a condom and washing your body with soap and water.

    Health officials across the country have echoed most of that advice, although they haven’t said anything about glory holes.

    New York City health officials hinted at using glory holes in a recent three-page document without specifically naming them.

    “Be creative with sexual positions and physical barriers, like walls, that allow sexual contact while preventing close face-to-face contact,” the document said.
    The B.C. guidelines recommend skipping sex if you feel sick. They also recommend taking your desires into your own hands if you’re worried about a coronavirus infection.

    “You are your safest sex partner,” the B.C. CDC says. “Masturbating by yourself (solo sex) will not spread COVID-19.”

    Your next-safest partner is someone you live with or a person who has only had contact with you and no one else, the B.C. CDC says.

    Bonnie Henry, the province’s top doctor, echoed that advice back in May.

    “This is not the time to do rapid serial dating, OK?” Henry said at a COVID-19 briefing. “So pick somebody, see if it works and then take your time.”

    Other socially distant sexual pursuits include masturbating in the same room as a partner or engaging in virtual sex.

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  • #33724

    Ugh. That’s not… I mean, why would you… ugh.

    On a similar note, there’ve been demonstrations here by sex workers who are complaining that they still aren’t allowed to work. And the arguments they’ve been making actually makes a lot of sense; most sex workers apparently have like two or three clients a day or something like that, so you’re not exactly talking a potential super-spreading event (big brothels are a bit of a different matter though).

  • #33745

    Wait how does it make a difference?

    Cant one person spread to 40 in a day or something? Isnt that one of the motivations behind the no contact initiative of social distancing?

  • #33759

    Well, super-spreading events are usually tied to gatherings of people who stay relatively close to each other for a longer time. You’re unlikely to spread to a high number of people even if you are infected if you aren’t say, singing with a choir (and not using face masks). Or giving a talk and doing a meet-and-greet afterwards. Even if you’re highly infectious, you are unlikely to spread the infection to 40 people just by walking by them in the street.

  • #33760

    relatively close to each other for a longer time

    Sometimes a gooder time is also a longer time…

  • #33777

    Well, I guess it can be both things :unsure:

  • #33812

    Treat sex workers like athletes. numerous tests, procedures for positive tests, client testing

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  • #33816

    Treat sex workers like athletes. numerous tests, procedures for positive tests, client testing

    And gold medals!

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  • #33826

    Professor behind ‘vile’ racist and sexist tweets found dead in North Carolina home

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/professor-behind-vile-racist-sexist-tweets-found-dead-north-carolina-n1234801

    I get the feeling there’s not gonna be a shortage of suspects.

  • #33868

    Treat sex workers like athletes. numerous tests, procedures for positive tests, client testing

    Yeah, that’d be the way to go, I guess. I mean, in countries where sex work is legal (it is in Germany). I mean, these women are often in a precarious financial situation to begin with; not allowing any sex work is just forcing them into poverty or into doing their work illegally (foregoing health benefits etc.).

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  • #33892

    They could do a topless hand shandy with gloves on.

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  • #33903

    They could do a topless hand shandy with gloves on.

    Well, I certainly learned a new bit of dialect today.

    Gloves and masks… these must be great times for certain fetishes. Most goths really didn’t have to do a thing to adjust.

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  • #33974

    Well, I certainly learned a new bit of dialect today.

    How do you say it in German?

  • #33987

    Hand shandy sounds kind of too flowery and fun for German, I don’t think we have anything like it. Wanking is “wichsen”.

  • #34039

    I checked and it’s: toplisswichsengloven

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  • #34043

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/26/covid-19-death-panels-starr-county-hospital-texas

    A surge in coronavirus cases in rural Texas has forced one hospital to set up “death panels” to decide which patients it can save and which ones will be sent home to die.

    Doctors at Starr County Memorial Hospital, the only hospital in Starr County, have been issued with critical care guidelines to decide which Covid-19 patients it will treat and which ones will be sent home because they are likely to die. The committee is being formed to alleviate the hospital’s limited medical resources so doctors can focus on patients with higher survival rates.

    So far in and and with so much extra knowledge this is a disgrace to the authorities involved.

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  • #34082

    This is an interesting chart that comes from a thread from economist Paul Krugman.

    We’ve had a long debate about the trade-off between health and lockdowns and the economy but in truth they aren’t as easily aligned as we think. Of course suspending activity directly affects economic activity, the cinema is closed, the cinema makes no money but you also can’t pretend a pandemic isn’t happening. That people will choose to be more careful where they go, how they plan their spending etc.

    So if you look at this chart the three countries that had the least restrictive approach to lockdown, Sweden, the USA and UK have the worst economic performance and confidence.

    There are many factors at play, in the UK and US their individualistic nature and lack of regulation means jobs are easily discarded, there’s less worker support so money can be torn out of consumer pockets very quickly. In Sweden I’m not so sure but it could be the type of industries affected, Scandinavia does a lot of maritime trade, if they aren’t directly exporting offshore oil like Norway the two Swedes I know out here are employed in that industry.

    It’s a counter to those saying if we’d have just accepted the spread and casualties among the elderly the economy would have been unaffected. That’s not true and never would have been.

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  • #34134

    It’s a counter to those saying if we’d have just accepted the spread and casualties among the elderly the economy would have been unaffected. That’s not true and never would have been.

    Yeah, there was a study by the ifo and the Helmholtz Institute in May that showed this pretty clearly:

    “The strategy of prudent, step-by-step relaxation is preferable not only in terms of health policy but also economically,” say ifo President Clemens Fuest and the Head of the Systems Immunology Department at the HZI, Michael Meyer-Hermann. “If policymakers allow more economic activity in the short term, our simulation analyses show that this extends the restrictions phase to such a degree that the overall costs increase.”

    Based on the situation on April 20, epidemiological and economic calculations showed that a slight relaxation at most would be suitable to minimize the economic costs without jeopardizing the medical objectives. “It is not true, however, that a very rapid relaxation generates economic benefits and therefore conflicts with health policy objectives. Against this backdrop, it is in the common interest of our health and the economy to be cautious in relaxing the restrictions and to monitor very closely how infection rates develop.” […]

    If the infection rate remains at 0.627 and if the closures that were in place until April 20 were maintained, the scenarios would result in a total loss of value added of almost EUR 333 billion over the years 2020 and 2021. The bulk of this – just under EUR 288 billion – would occur in 2020, equivalent to 8.8 percent of the year’s economic output. The remaining EUR 45 billion would affect 2021, equivalent to 1.4 percent of that year’s economic output.

    In contrast, a slight loosening of restrictions that push the infection rate up to 0.75 would actually increase value added by some EUR 26 billion. This would correspond to a reduction in economic costs of 0.4 percentage points.

    Opening up further with an infection rate of 1 would, on the other hand, entail considerably higher economic costs.

    Meanwhile, a tightening of measures would push up economic costs under any scenario. Achieving an infection rate of 0.5 would cause additional economic costs of 1.1 percent of the economic output of 2020 and 2021, which corresponds to EUR 77 billion. Getting the infection rate down to 0.1 would trigger economic costs of 4.2 percent or EUR 277 billion.

    If the restrictions in force until April 20, 2020 are maintained, the predicted number of additional deaths is 5,000. This number decreases only slightly at low infection rates, but rises sharply at a rate of 0.9 and above, reaching more than 20,000 additional deaths at 1.0.

    In determining the course of action that is most economically favorable while still being consistent with further containment of the epidemic, then, it is certainly preferable from an economic point of view to ease restrictions slightly compared with the measures in force on April 20, 2020 than to opt for further tightening. Significant loosening is not recommended from either a health or an economic standpoint.

    https://www.ifo.de/en/node/55371

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  • #34208

    Anti-fascists linked to zero murders in the US in 25 years

    A new database of nearly 900 politically motivated attacks and plots in the United States since 1994 includes just one attack staged by an anti-fascist that led to fatalities. In that case, the single person killed was the perpetrator.

    Over the same time period, American white supremacists and other rightwing extremists have carried out attacks that left at least 329 victims dead, according to the database.

    More broadly, the database lists 21 victims killed in leftwing attacks since 2010 , and 117 victims of rightwing attacks in that same period – nearly six times as much. Attacks inspired by the Islamic State and similar jihadist groups, in contrast, killed 95 people since 2010, slightly fewer than rightwing extremists, according to the data set. More than half of these victims died in a a single attack on a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, in 2016.

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  • #34217

    It’s not just murders – right-wing violence has always far outstripped left-wing violence, especially in the US.  Even if you separate out Muslim extremism from all other right-wing violence the non-Muslim portion is still a majority.  And yet, that’s not the story the news media tells you.

    If only some Anarchist had written a book about oh shit oh hell what’s this doing here?

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  • #34225

    Professor who announced retirement after racist and sexist tweets died from self-inflicted gunshot

    Guess he figured he’d pissed off enough people that he wanted to beat them to it.

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  • #34459

    Madonna’s Instagram flagged for spreading coronavirus misinformation

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/jul/29/madonnas-instagram-flagged-for-spreading-coronavirus-misinformation

    She captioned the video with claims that a vaccine for Covid-19 has “been found and proven and has been available for months”. She continued: “They would rather let fear control the people and let the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.”

    The video shows Dr Stella Immanuel, a primary care physician in Houston, Texas, claiming to have treated 350 coronavirus patients with hydroxychloroquine. She was speaking with a group called America’s Frontline Doctors outside the US Supreme Court building.

    […]

    The America’s Frontline Doctors event was organised by a group called Tea Party Patriots Action. Footage was widely disseminated by rightwing website Breitbart. Donald Trump shared different videos of the event with his 84 million Twitter followers on Monday, despite its contents contradicting the advice of his administration’s public health experts.

    So, Madonna apparently falling for a Teap Party/Breitbart conspiracy meme that Trump also supports isn’t the part why I think this is newsworthy, I was more interested that Instagram seems to be continuing their policy of removing false information/fake news. In this case, that’s obviously a welcome move in many ways, and these social media platforms have been called to take responsibility for the content they’re being used to spread and to take a more active role in moderating them. But I remain unsure of whether a corporation should have the power to decide what’s true or not and remove something people said that was within their legal rights to free speech.

    I also wonder what the legal status of this is; didn’t Trump sign an executive order concerning online “censorship” recently?

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  • #34461

    But I remain unsure of whether a corporation should have the power to decide what’s true or not and remove something people said that was within their legal rights to free speech.

    Ultimately though it’s a private platform and they can choose to publish and remove whatever they want.

    Just because you have a right to say it, doesn’t mean you have a right to make me publish it.

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  • #34462

    I will say though that effective regulation is still wildly lagging behind in this area, and as a result the various social media platforms are all finding their own differing approaches.

    They should really have treated online publishers in the same way as traditional publishers from the beginning, but that horse has long since bolted.

  • #34483

    I also wouldn’t be surprised if this was simply an attention grab by Madonna. In the last few years, there seems to be an intense desperation by her to stay relevant when it seems like her time has passed.

  • #34488

    Celebs seem rather prone to these conspiracy theories and daft schemes though.

    British rapper Wiley has just been banned from various social media platforms for espousing anti-semitic conspiracy theories.

    Maybe the lack of a 9-5 and no gigs during lockdown has led them all down those Youtube rabbit holes.

     

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  • #34546

    Covid-19 killed Herman Cain.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53600376

    He was a terrible person, but oh the fun we had. Wish I could pull up the Daily Show clips from back when he was running for president, but those aren’t on youtube and the CC-site is country-locked. Ubeki-beki-beki-stan-stan and all that.

    Well, more recent then:

    He was also, of course, against face masks and denied the dangers of the corona virus.

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  • #34549

    He was also, of course, against face masks and denied the dangers of the corona virus.

    Apparently whoever is running his twitter posted a message about how nobody trusts the government about Covid the night before he died.

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  • #34580

    So what I’m getting from this is that the government killed Herman Cain to silence him and colluded with the health industry to say it was Covid-19. Right?

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  • #34581

    No, the truth is that the virus has a political bias:

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  • #34582

    No, the truth is that the virus has a political bias:

    Ah yes, I remember when noted conservative songrwiter Adam Sleschinger died

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  • #34615

    Or Nick Cordera, who went through months of hell while his family and friends couldn’t even be by his side. But sure, Angela, all the other 150,000 Americans who’ve died were conservatives. If that’s what you all need to hear to stop acting like entitled idiots who put everyone’s health at risk then fine.

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  • #34618

    Alas, if only Americans could shoot the virus.

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  • #34666

    The point here is, Tom Hanks should’ve died for our sins. Fucking egoistic of him to be alive, if you ask me.

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  • #34690

    Trying to post and comment on a story about serial child rapist Prince Andrew but the forum won’t let me. In short, The Guardian has a headline that reads “Underage girl forced to have sex with Prince Andrew, US Court Documents reveal”.

    And it really pisses me off that it doesn’t say “Child raped repeatedly by Prince Andrew, US Court Documents reveal”.

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  • #34691

    Trying to post and comment on a story about serial child rapist Prince Andrew but the forum won’t let me. In short, The Guardian has a headline that reads “Underage girl forced to have sex with Prince Andrew, US Court Documents reveal”.

    And it really pisses me off that it doesn’t say “Child raped repeatedly by Prince Andrew, US Court Documents reveal”.

    I get the feeling that’s the legal department covering their ass

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  • #34692

    My main problem with the headline is the use of “reveal” rather than “claim”.

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  • #34693

    It’s an interesting area. While news outlets usually (with many notable exceptions) try and present fact without bias in headlines you can see it’s a tricky area. The words used or even the order you place a story reveals some bias.

    While Anders’ version is much harder on Andrew it’s a fair argument it also lets Maxwell and Epstein off the hook. She’s no longer been forced by her captors, it’s all the aggression of the prince.

    I’m not here to defend him, I couldn’t give a fuck if all the royals died tomorrow (bar Meghan and Kate, they are pretty) but it’s maybe more nuanced than we think when choosing the wording.

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  • #34696

    My main problem with the headline is the use of “reveal” rather than “claim”.

    Interestingly I just went back and checked and they’ve now amended it to “claim”.

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  • #34704

    it’s a fair argument it also lets Maxwell and Epstein off the hook. She’s no longer been forced by her captors, it’s all the aggression of the prince.

    Yeah, I was thinking along similar lines myself.

    BUT, this is a constant journalistic trend when it comes to writing about the crimes of celebrities and people in positions of power. ESPECIALLY when dealing with sex crimes against children and females.

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  • #34705

    I get the feeling that’s the legal department covering their ass

    Good idea to cover their asses. If not, maybe serial child rapist Prince Andrew sticks his cock in there.

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  • #34720

    couldn’t give a fuck if all the royals died tomorrow (bar Meghan and Kate, they are pretty)

    I agree with this sentiment.

    Only pretty royals, thank you UK. No uggos!

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  • #34732

    Interestingly I just went back and checked and they’ve now amended it to “claim”.

    Huh. Interesting that they changed that. But yeah, “revealed” really was a step too far.

    I thought this bit was funny:

    The papers were released after a judge rejected an attempt by Maxwell’s lawyers to keep them secret. A friend of Prince Andrew said: “The US federal appeals court said in 2019 these allegations should be treated with ‘extreme caution’. Allegations are not the same as facts, which is the essential premise on which justice works. Let’s see if these allegations stand up, because precious few about the duke do – where’s the proof?”

    On the lobbying claim, the friend added: “This allegation is a straightforward untruth. No ifs, no buts.”

    It’s the way it’s put in the article, too, of course, but it’s still funny that with the lobbying claims, he goes outright “Oh no, that one’s a lie” and with the rape claims, it’s “Well, let’s be careful with this, where’s the proof?”, like you would react if you knew or believed the latter to be true.

    The shit that’s going to come out now if Maxwell does talk…

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  • #34734

    Huh. Interesting that they changed that. But yeah, “revealed” really was a step too far.

    In my day job I report fairly regularly on lawsuits and litigation, and you have to be very careful with language when dealing with untested allegations. I’m not surprised they changed it as the implication of “reveals” is very different.

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  • #34738

    Speaking of Maxwell, and seeing the news about the Tory minister accused or rape, I have to say I just don’t get it. All these rich and powerful people exposing themselves to the risk of jail, of ending carreers, of blackmail (in the case of raping minors, with Epstein’s business). Why? These people have all the money in the world, they can afford sex workers to take care of them all day long. Is the experience of raping someone just so fucking great that nothing can compare? Or do money and power really corrupt to such an extent that you automatically become some kind of demon? Or does every person on that level really believe what Trump said, that they can shoot somebody in the head and face no consequences? Why the hell would you put yourself into such a precarious position when you have everything?

  • #34739

    I’ve always felt it’s a combination. People in those powerful positions have a personality type that makes them constantly go after more and do more extreme things, and I also think they start to think of themselves as untouchable.

  • #34747

    That’s something that Jon Ronson looked at in his psychopath test book. Not that all people in power are psychopaths but that a fair proportion of them aligned to some psychopathic traits, especially a lack of empathy.

  • #34750

    Into the fire pit with them.

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  • #34967

    2020 continues to be a fucked-up year.

    A warehouse in Beirut containing 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate – Timothy McVeigh used 2 tons in the 1995 Oklahoma bombing – exploded.

    Over 70 dead, over 3,700 injured and those figures will likely only increase.

    Practically, this has taken Beirut’s main port out of commission.  The only way to get humanitarian aid in will be via Israeli and Syrian ports, with obvious diplomatic difficulties.

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  • #34972

    I saw the footage earlier. Truly shocking.

  • #34974

    Those figures have already increased horribly.

    There’ll be no shortage of ghoulish carnage posted online, likely already happened, which is why I liked that image – conveys the disaster without going too far.

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  • #35099

    The videos of the explosion are fascinating though… I mean, sure a bit morbid, but it’s rare to see an explosion of that magnitude in real life.

    Let’s hope this is a wake up call for all countries, and if they’re stashing absurd amounts of explosives, that they do it FAAAAR away from populated areas.

  • #35124

    It’s all clearly an elaborate ruse by serial child rapist Prince Andrew to deflect attention.

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  • #35661

    New Zealand has had their dirst covid case in 102 days and the origin is not known.

    While usually I would voice a fierce “Take that New Zealand!”

    In this case it is a far more subdued and synpathetic “take that new zealand”

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  • #35662

    We’ve had a similar situation in Penang state, we went 103 days without a single case but 3 were reported last week. We have pretty good track and trace set up though so they know the origin was someone visiting relatives that had a cluster of cases. I’m amazed we went so long without one really because interstate travel has been running since June. Malaysia as a country hasn’t been able to eradicate like NZ did but cases have been mostly single figures a day for a couple of months.

  • #35663

    I think what disturbs me is the untraceable origin. New Zealand employed quite high restrictions, and while im mostly sure it will inevitably be shown to be an Australian businessmen that was not tested properly, the idea that it might not be is quite scary.

  • #35664

    I read this morning they’re investigating the possibility of it being linked to imported freight.

  • #35666

    Here in Mexico it’s still pretty bad, but not surprising… people are dumb. Still, I do believe that it could’ve been much, much, MUCH worse. I think the overall gvmt. response was good… not perfect, but what is…

    Also, we have one of the highest death counts, which again, is not surprising in the least sadly… and I’m sure we’ll probably be in the top 3 of deaths whenever this thing ends and we get a tally. I mean, we’re the #1 country in soft drink consumption, and the #1 in diabetes (I think) and one of the top places in obesity… se yeah, the virus is doing a number on mexicans.

    Recently the guy in charge of the virus response started rolling out new public health plans for the future and whatnot, one of which includes a campaign against soda drinks because it’s really an issue here, but of course you can imagine the pushback he got… seems Cocacola and Pepsi don’t like being called “poison in a can”, and it seems they have all the money in the world to push back against it… I mean, they ain’t about to go down and lose their #1 market without I fight I suppose, but we can only hope… :unsure:

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  • #35668

    Recently the guy in charge of the virus response started rolling out new public health plans for the future and whatnot, one of which includes a campaign against soda drinks because it’s really an issue here, but of course you can imagine the pushback he got… seems Cocacola and Pepsi don’t like being called “poison in a can”, and it seems they have all the money in the world to push back against it… I mean, they ain’t about to go down and lose their #1 market without I fight I suppose, but we can only hope

     

    Before Covid, over 500 people a week were dying of diabetes in England and Wales, so it’s not as if we never before realized how bad diabetes is. And yet diabetes is a well understood condition, everybody knows how you can minimize your chance of getting it, and almost nobody chooses to do that. It’s almost as if people don’t care about contracting a horrible, debilitating, and ultimately fatal condition tomorrow as long as they can still enjoy a fizzy drink today.

    And they wonder why people don’t follow the rules over spreading Covid :unsure:

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  • #35669

    Wasn’t Mexico the first to impose a sugar tax Jon? I seem to remember it being cited a lot when the UK brought one in.

  • #35676

    im mostly sure it will inevitably be shown to be an Australian businessmen that was not tested properly

    Tim…

     

    -_-

     

    What did you do?

  • #35677

    Before Covid, over 500 people a week were dying of diabetes in England and Wales, so it’s not as if we never before realized how bad diabetes is. And yet diabetes is a well understood condition, everybody knows how you can minimize your chance of getting it, and almost nobody chooses to do that. It’s almost as if people don’t care about contracting a horrible, debilitating, and ultimately fatal condition tomorrow as long as they can still enjoy a fizzy drink today. And they wonder why people don’t follow the rules over spreading Covid

    Yeh, it’s pretty crazy… Honestly most mexicans are fat and have terrible eating habits, so a virus that hits hard those kinds of conditions is obviously gonna do some serious damage… that’s why I’m pretty wary of it, because I’m also quite fat (rather decent eating habits though, but zero excercise) and I smoke a lot… If I catch that shit, I’m going down =P

    Fortunately, at least here in my neighborhood and the surrounding area, people are taking it seriously enough… so that’s something.

    Wasn’t Mexico the first to impose a sugar tax Jon? I seem to remember it being cited a lot when the UK brought one in.

    I have no idea, to be honest… but I guess it had no impact.

  • #35678

    ‘This is no longer a debate’: Florida sheriff bans deputies, visitors from wearing masks

    All visitors to sheriff’s department buildings will be asked to take off their masks in the lobby, Woods said, linking that rule to the ongoing protests against police brutality.

    “In light of the current events when it comes to the sentiment and/or hatred toward law enforcement in our country today, this is being done to ensure there is clear communication and for identification purposes of any individual walking into a lobby,” he wrote.

    Honestly, I consider this police brutality.

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  • #35685

    I skimmed the article so if I missed something i’m sorry but don’t you think that there should be protests before instituting a rule concerning it. :unsure:

  • #35687

    I have no idea, to be honest… but I guess it had no impact.

    I went and Googled it. It looks like the method they used was quite crude, putting 1 peso per litre on any drinks with added sugar.

    The UK version taxed on various levels of sugar. Like income tax it goes up in bands of grams of sugar. I don’t know the impact of how it changed consumption but it did have the manufacturers cutting the sugar levels in the drinks.

    On this measure the tax should be viewed as a success: manufacturers had two years to prepare ahead of the levy coming into effect and over 50% took action to cut sugar in their products.

    For example AG Barr, makers of IRN-BRU, said that it expected 99% of its product portfolio to fall below the taxable threshold. And Lucozade Suntory Ribena reformulated all its drinks to contain less than 5g sugar per 100ml, resulting in 50% cuts to the sugar content of its flagship products such as Ribena, Lucozade Energy and Orangina.

  • #35692

    AG Barr

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Barr

    this guy?

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  • #35693

    This one:

    https://www.agbarr.co.uk/

    They’ve been AG a lot longer than he has. 😂

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  • #35761

    “How will the world vaccinate seven billion people?” the BBC asks on its web site.

    Simple answer: it won’t. It will vaccinate Europe, North America, maybe a select few other places. And let the rest of the world burn.

    Don’t believe me? Ask the one and a half million people who died of TB last year why they were not vaccinated. And no, it’s not because they were anti-vaxxers. “Large pharmaceutical companies do not see profitable investment because of TB’s association with the developing world.”

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  • #35764

    Its a major issue regarding the developing worls but not the only one. Speak to anyone who has volunteered for the red cross in Rwanda and theyll tell you home grown warlords hog the medical supplies and create black markets outside of international influence.

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  • #35976

    So in an area where we are an example of doing it right (unless you’ve lost someone from a care home), of course the weather gets good, we ease the restrictions, and the young show how stupid they are (basically, baby-boomers were horrible parents, and, well that’s another discussion…).
    We now hire people to shut down ‘parties’ as contact tracing leads to this (not the re-opening of pubs and restaurants).

    The numbers have gone the other way, and the Premier of BC (John Horgan) asked for help from Deadpool, Seth Rogan, and other exemplary British Columbians.
    Good on them for answering the call.

    Love the fact that John Horgan said “my numbers on the internet” and Ryan Reynolds tweeted “Called your office. Left a message.”

    “Young folk in B.C., they’re partying which is of course dangerous. They probably don’t know that thousands of young people are just getting sick from coronavirus, they’re also dying from it too,” he said.

    Reynolds went on to speak about how COVID-19 also affects the older generation of British Columbia, shouting out academic David Suzuki and his mother. He said that if the partying youth of B.C. can just stay home, his mother and Suzuki can go out and enjoy their pre-lockdown pastimes.

    “I hope that young people of B.C. don’t kill my mom, frankly or David Suzuki or each other,” he said. “Let’s not kill anyone, I think that’s reasonable.”

    Seth Rogen replied to Horgan’s request Saturday, posting a PSA on Twitter. The comedian urged not only younger people but the entire B.C. instead to avoid large gatherings, noting that the virus hasn’t quite disappeared yet. Rogen then offered a substitute to BBQs and parties.

    “It’s more fun to hang out alone and smoke weed and watch movies and TV shows anyway! Do that instead!,” he tweeted.

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  • #36071

    Finally!

    Two men charged in long-unsolved 2002 murder of Run-DMC’s Jam Master Jay

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  • #36419

    “I hope that young people of B.C. don’t kill my mom, frankly or David Suzuki or each other,” he said. “Let’s not kill anyone, I think that’s reasonable.”

    You would think so. And yet…

    (From this month’s “freedom” marches in Berlin.)

    Well done Ryan Reynolds though.

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