The Dutch high council of law recently made euthanasia in cases of dementia legal by refusing to prosecute a doctor who euthanized a patient for this reason. At the patient’s request obviously.
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Where are your guys’ countries in this?
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Where are your guys’ countries in this?
In a slightly different place, we’ve had tracing in place for a couple of months but basically what you do is when you enter anywhere you read a QR code on yout phone and it checks you in. It was cheap and easy to do and while the bluetooth handshake is more sophisticated it was deemed it probably isn’t much more effective.
Interestingly there has been some analysis done on the county of Ceredigion in the UK which has echoes of that. They’ve had by far the lowest instances of Covid-19 in the UK. It is a largely rural area but it is still lower then the Highlands, Cumbria and Orkney which are more sparsely populated and remote. What they did was introduce manual contact tracing from day one, all via the council conducting interviews with those infected and phoning around.
It seemed more effective than waiting around for the high tech solution.
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I would laugh for days if it turned out Bernadette was Lorcan’s drag persona.
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It’s an interesting article. I found a few parts quite familiar. The automatic assumption that my wife is submissive and reliant on me I find often, even though it often quickly dawns on people that’s far from the case.
I think this section is a bit unfair though: Stanley Kubrick’s 1987 film “Full Metal Jacket” infamously perpetuates the stereotype of women as sexual deviants with a scene featuring a Vietnamese sex worker exclaiming, “Me so horny.”
I don’t think anyone would rationally see that as she was sexually deviant or genuinely ‘horny’. Are there really many people of any race that think sex workers are soliciting for sex because they have a massive libido and not that they need the money?
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I don’t think anyone would rationally see that as she was sexually deviant or genuinely ‘horny’. Are there really many people of any race that think sex workers are soliciting for sex because they have a massive libido and not that they need the money?
Racism isn’t exactly based on rationality. It is the very epitome of lack thereof. “Hahaha, china lady so horny. I bet they’re all like that.”
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True and I know those responses exist but then every opinion does. It seems unfair to me to call that ‘infamous’ because some idiots came to that conclusion.
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True and I know those responses exist but then every opinion does. It seems unfair to me to call that ‘infamous’ because some idiots came to that conclusion.
That I absolutely agree with. Clear-cut hyperbole. But it was probably meaningful, in a bad way.
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‘Godzilla dust cloud event’ is a headline today.
In tomorrow’s news – a plague of mothra.
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Adult Film Star Ron Jeremy Charged With Raping 3 Women, Sexually Assaulting Another
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Like all of these discussions on Covid there’s always an element of guesswork based on the science being slowly clearer but also at times contradictory.
The model used here operates on the assumption that the risk of contracting it outdoors is minimal so it works on a check-in basis. Every establishment has a unique QR code you scan and it shows their name to check in. So it is tracking location in that sense but not all your steps via GPS and the thing is government run and they have promised not to sell on the data and regularly delete it when its use has ended.
You basically have to use it (or an old fashioned log book backup if you don’t have a smartphone) or they won’t let you in. Which probably won’t please the libertarians out there.
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That reminds me that we never properly implemented social distancing rules for the board.
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I implemented everything all proper and rule like across the board except that one time but everyone was sleeping.
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That reminds me that we never properly implemented social distancing rules for the board.
I don’t know if you noticed but all posts are now 2mm apart.
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That reminds me that we never properly implemented social distancing rules for the board.
I don’t know if you noticed but all posts are now 2mm apart.
Yous over did the distancing. Tim can’t hear me.
Tell him I said hello.
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That reminds me that we never properly implemented social distancing rules for the board.
That’s why you and Andrew are in Australia.
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Thank you for validating my existence, Todd.
But then how would I taste a real flat white? I hear the best are made in Australia. It made the news one time. (There you go back on topic).
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I think blanket measures like that are the only way this kind of thing can work. It’s not much good to anyone if it’s optional.
It’s probably true. Making it optional will mean a low takeup, they were saying today that in Gremany 12m people have downloaded there’s but that’s quite a small proportion of the population of 83m. I’m not sure too if the bluetooth messaging thing may be overkill. If you look at the relative success in Ceredigion just by using manual methods.
It’s hard to tell, Malaysia has had a successful approach to Covid, they had an initial bad hit due to a religious conference where 16,000 attended, then they shut down fast at that point and very hard. We were only allowed one person to leave the house for groceries/medicine, no outdoor, police roadblock stopping people. That dropped the numbers very quickly so we were able to open up things like restaurants several weeks ago.
The testing level has been quite low compared to other places. Track and trace though has been pretty good. It’s very difficult with so many factors to say exactly what makes the most difference. It does seem testing alone though without a tracking and isolation system is a little pointless. The UK and US are now very high in testing per 1m people but their Covid rate is reducing much slower than most places (like France that is really low in testing), in the US it is increasing in 33 out of 50 states.
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Then we have face masks into the mix:
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But the thing is that currently, peoeple are very relaxed in living their normal lives and kind of acting like the virus is gone. Which it isn’t.
This is the major danger in the UK too I think. All of the government messaging is around things going back to normal and opening up again, when there really seems to be no great difference in the status of the virus compared to a couple of months ago.
Yes, the daily numbers of infections and deaths have come down again but that’s a direct consequence of the lockdown measures. I don’t see any reason why they won’t go up again with people returning to more normal patterns of circulation.
My feeling is that there has been a calculated decision to accept a certain number of deaths as a trade-off for not suffering extended economic damage, and provided that they can manage things sufficiently so that the NHS isn’t overwhelmed all at once they won’t be too unhappy to see the number of infections climb again as the price for the economy getting back to normal.
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There’s a libertarian streak in there. The one I get confused by is face masks, the data is supporting their use more and more and it doesn’t have any impact on economic activity but when I see pics of the UK almost nobody is wearing one. Even the US seems to have a much bigger push to get people to wear them and the more that do the more effective it becomes.
That’s in Wales on the first day shops re-opened. This is in Kuala Lumpur.
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I’ve started wearing a mask in shops – and feel a bit of a fool for taking the government’s line earlier on about them being no use – and I’m in a small minority on that. I’ve seen maybe three other people wearing them (one of whom was just using it to protect his chin
). I say shops, it’s just the one my local Co-op/Post Office and technically it’s big enough that you can socially distance without a mask, by some version of the government’s guidelines. But there are holes in that.The line for the PO counter is marked out at two metre intervals, but it doesn’t allow for the fact that if both tills are open (as they often are) you’ll be well within two metres of the customer at the next till. They also haven’t allowed for the space between people in the queue and people walking in the shop aisles next to it and, crucially, that people are idiots. The amount of people who have gone through the PO queue, appropriately spaced out and distancing, and then just come back down that line squeezing past everyone when they’re done is ridiculous (as is the number of people who don’t seem to understand the markings on the floor – which literally say “stand here” – and miss one out to the next person).
The Co-Op insist on belting off the empty checkout lanes, so after using only the PO, I’ve been forced to exit squeezing by someone using the tills. And then just yesterday there was some guy who having done his shopping, thought it’d be a great idea to just stand around blocking the exit (inside that is). Infuriating.
All that said, I’ve not been wearing a mask while walking to and from the shop or with the dog. While it’s moderately densely populated, my village is open enough that there’s plenty of space to give a massively wide berth to anyone else I might see.
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Just ordered a pack of certified medical face masks online.
Better get on it before they become mandatory and price hiked.
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What? What happened to her immunity?
Who?
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Midtown Comics opened their doors again on Monday, so I popped in on Tuesday to pick up my prepaid order from last week. While I was at the counter a young man walked in without a mask; the salesperson immediately stopped him and asked if he had a mask. The guy fumbled some excuse about forgetting, then pulled his mask out of his front pocket and put it on.
I’m encouraged to see that the staff in retail and office settings are taking this seriously and doing their part to enforce the requirement to wear face masks in public places; but discouraged that there are still assholes who think that wearing a mask is uncomfortable, or unmanly, or an affront to their personal freedom.
Most (90%?) of the people I see in Manhattan are wearing their masks on the sidewalks and subways and inside buildings, which is probably why NYC is not seeing a spike in COVID cases compared to other parts of the United States; that high percentage has everything to do with our first-hand experience with being the epicenter of the crisis just two months ago. But the country at large is still treating this virus like something that is happening “elsewhere”, and are focused only on the inconveniences of not being able to get their nails done or do Jello shots at the beach bar. The South and West states are about to get a rude awakening.
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I don’t think the medical-grade masks will become mandatory for the general public due to the cost and also the need to prioritise high-standard PPE for front-line medical and other workers.
I think the expectation for masks for the general public is just some kind of material barrier.
Not the N95 respirator masks but the standard 3 ply surgical masks that the shoppers are wearing in the KL photo are actually pretty cheap and plentiful. They sell them here at the counter of 7-11 shops for the equivalent of 40p each. Not that it’s hugely important as it’s being said that cloth ones are almost as good and are more environmentally friendly really.
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A few counties in the Houston metropolitan area a have made mask wearing for residents and retailers mandatory with hefty fines for non-compliance.
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Did any of you see the clip of the Palm Beach mask debate the other day?
Covid-19 is a hoax or it’s the work of the devil and is throwing God’s wonderful breathing apparatus out the door. Also something Hillary and lock up mask offenders because of the will of idk I lost the will to watch any more.
Meanwhile there are still the odd here wearing cardboard signs offering free hugs because it’s their duty to save us.
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It used to be that, on network television, the division that was in charge of the News was called the News Division. These days News is handled by the Entertainment Division. Therein lies part of the problem.
Journalistic integrity? Not as important as pulling in the viewers and increasing your advertising stream.
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Yeah there was a little bit of facetiousness in my post.
It’s been a problem for a long while. At the end of the day (and im sure some posters will be pleased to hear me say this) the route of it lies in capitalism. News doesn’t make money but people will pay to watch things they like. Corporations will pay more to engineer situations where people watch things they think they should like.
Our public broadcaster was just defunded. Which is terrible and egregious and I hate it and I am going to go do a poo on the Prime Minister’s doorstep. The immediate effect of this is that emergency broadcasting systems will also be defunded, which, for example, helped save lives during our recent bushfire crisis.
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The South and West states are about to get a rude awakening.
they are far past about to and into OMG territory. saw a stat last night. recent COVID deaths NY 996 Fla 5k+ . Tell us again how we(NY) were wrong in planning our reopening in stages and taking our time.
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The South and West states are about to get a rude awakening.
they are far past about to and into OMG territory. saw a stat last night. recent COVID deaths NY 996 Fla 5k+ . Tell us again how we(NY) were wrong in planning our reopening in stages and taking our time.
I think COVID deaths in FL stand at about 3400 right now, not 5k. Which isn’t to say hat FL didn’t completely botch their reopening because they did and now are in the process of paying for it. Here in the Bay Area, we’ve seen a big increase in confirmed cases, but the positive test rates and hospitalization rates have so far remained mostly flat. Not sure how SoCal is faring, though, as more than half the states confirmed cases are down that way.
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I give a lot of credit to Governors Cuomo and Murphy for their efforts in listening to the science and turning around the infection rates in New York and New Jersey, and guiding us through the recovery process.
I give equal credit to Governors Newsom, Abbott and especially DiSantis for totally fucking their respective constituents in California, Texas and Florida. Way to go, guys! But they didn’t do it alone, of course; they got (and continue to get) plenty of encouragement from the “we don’t need no stinking masks” White House.
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Science is the way, and the science is far from perfect, we don’t really know how this virus is contracted, data changes daily but that’s all better than opinion or ideology. Masks may work, or not, or just a small bit. None of us really know 100%. We don’t fully know these answers about the common cold that has been studied for decades.
In Malaysia we were in the middle of a political shambles when Covid hit. A new PM was in place over arcane parliamentary rules, he could be removed tomorrow, but even if by accident he handed it over to the key medical guy to lead. We had a bad start but are now in a great place. They shut down very strictly (no outdoor exercise) but that allowed them to open quicker, I’ve been to restaurants and pubs for weeks, there hasn’t been single Covid case in Penang state for 62 days. Nationwide they are generally under 10 daily in not a tiny country, 32 million.
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I give a lot of credit to Governors Cuomo and Murphy for their efforts in listening to the science and turning around the infection rates in New York and New Jersey, and guiding us through the recovery process.
I give equal credit to Governors Newsom, Abbott and especially DiSantis for totally fucking their respective constituents in California, Texas and Florida. Way to go, guys! But they didn’t do it alone, of course; they got (and continue to get) plenty of encouragement from the “we don’t need no stinking masks” White House.
I don’t really blame Newsom. He’s been giving updates nearly everyday and is definitely listening to the science while pleading with the public to wear masks, social distance and avoid large gatherings. There’s been issues with people in California not following guidelines and counties trying to defy Newsom’s orders. Like I said, NorCal seems to be faring better than SoCal. California had a solid reopening plan, but the problem largely seems to be people here just said fuck it once stuff started to reopen.
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California had a solid reopening plan, but the problem largely seems to be people here just said fuck it once stuff started to reopen.
Culture is an issue and the hardest thing to change. The US and to a slightly lesser extent the UK have had decades of championing the individual over the collective. I can’t say in this part of the world I have seen a single news or social media story of someone protesting about having to wear a mask or give contact details, they just get on with it.
That’s not to say there aren’t some who push or break the rules but it is a pretty small number and not thousands descending on a beach or organising a rave. Clarity of message is also important and I think a lot of it has been vague and contradictory which is an invitation for people to say ‘fuck it’.
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Science is the way, and the science is far from perfect, we don’t really know how this virus is contracted, data changes daily but that’s all better than opinion or ideology. Masks may work, or not, or just a small bit. None of us really know 100%. We don’t fully know these answers about the common cold that has been studied for decades.
Where the masks are concerned, there was an interesting bit about a study that was done here in Germany recently. There was one town that introduced mandatory masks a lot earlier than all other places (start of as opposed to end of April), so they had the opportunity to study a place in which everything else was the same as in the rest of Germany, and only one measure different – use of masks. According to that study, the effect of the masks was pretty big:
Based on our findings, we calculate a rule-of-thumb measure for the relative decrease in the daily growth rate of COVID-19 cases of about 40% (Table 1). Consider a region in which the number of COVID-19 cases increased by 10% from one day to another. This increase would have been only 6% if there had been an obligation to wear face masks. With a 10% daily increase in COVID-19, cases double within 7 days; in contrast, a 6% daily increase means cases double only within 12 days.
In summary, the introduction of mandatory face masks has slowed down the spread of COVID-19 in Germany. This result agrees with the findings of epidemiologists and virologists who explain that face coverings limit airflow when speaking, thereby reducing the transmission of infectious particles.
The observed effect in Jena is larger than the average effect for other regions with face-mask requirements. Two mechanisms may explain this difference: first, with Jena being a pioneer city in Germany when it comes to the introduction of face masks, the local population may have taken the crisis more seriously than in other regions, causing a sort of Hawthorne effect. In other words, the population may have taken the introduction of masks as a strong signal to follow contact restrictions closely. Another likely reason is that anticipation effects have increased over time in Germany: people in other regions may have chosen to wear masks even before wearing them became mandatory.
https://voxeu.org/article/unmasked-effect-face-masks-spread-covid-19
It’s really interesting how the mask thing developed here. When the crisis started, the main reason it wasn’t recommended – apart from masks just not being available – was that it was clear it’d only have a positive effect if almost everybody wore them, and the virologists assumed that the cultural prejudice against face-covering masks was just too big in Germany. The process of re-evaluating that went through pretty quickly though, and it feels like the jump from not recommending masks to making them mandatory was really fast.
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I have seen similar studies showing major gains, also some that say it’s negligible and I think the problem is that science normally takes a long time to get to strong consensus. You conduct multiple experiments with full peer review in a process that normally takes years. As they say in that summary there could be other factors involved but can’t prove that right now.
It’s a bit like when graphs show price hikes and a lowering of smoking rates, however that period also contained advertising bans, public health messaging, increasing restrictions on where you could smoke, cultural shifts in the acceptance of smoking, the introduction of cessation aids like nicotine gum and patches. So it’s impossible to say exactly how much each element contributed, although you can say doing them all brings the number down.
Personally I think logic dictates that masks can only help and not harm and always wear one when I’m out and studies like that only bolster that opinion. You can see that in East Asia where compliance with wearing masks is very high the rates have lowered much better than in Europe and the Americas. Vietnam is an interesting one, I’ve visited there a few times and it’s the country where I have see the highest number of people wearing face masks in normal times (usually because of traffic pollution – the image I’ve added is from 2018) and they have been barely touched by the virus. 355 cases and zero deaths, unlike New Zealand it’s densely populated with 100 million people and not geographically cut off. I can’t prove that’s the reason but you’d have to consider it as a key difference.
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Personally I think logic dictates that masks can only help and not harm
I agree. And as much as proper scientific rigour is important, I think most people can see the clear benefit of a barrier for droplets without the need for a peer-reviewed study – even if that benefit only turns out to have a very marginal effect on infection rates.
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Yeah exactly, we don’t have the time to be able to categorically prove things like how effective hand sanitizer on entering a shop is, or temperature readings, the difference in infection rate between 1m and 2m distancing or a lot of other measures. However when there’s solid logic behind them and very low cost then we should do it.
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Graham Linehan banned from Twitter.
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That Sacha Baron Cohen prank is wonderful. I don’t care if it’s part of a new series… It’s almost greater if it isn’t.
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Ghislaine Maxwell has been arrested by the FBI.
Prince Andrews heart attack is pending.
Place your bets on how long she’s got before the inevitable involuntary suicide.
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Well, politics, and business, and the entertainment industry, and academia.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/20911488/bill-gates-foundation-jeffrey-epstein-meetings
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Regarding this Epstein business, this revelation was lately in the media over here:
https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-authorities-placed-children-with-pedophiles-for-30-years/a-53814208
Someone mentioned in a tv program here that from the 70s to the 90s at least pedophilia wasn’t a big issue. Concerns about it were pooh-poohed as silly prudish thinking. This changed in the Netherlands after the Dutroux case. This led me to think people like Epstein, Clinton and Trump, who were in their 30s-40s in that era, probably got stuck in that mode of thinking.
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You heard it here first!
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Someone mentioned in a tv program here that from the 70s to the 90s at least pedophilia wasn’t a big issue.
I think it was more a subject that was ignored. The worst examples have people facilitating it but in the main I think the problem was being unaware it existed and definitely not discussed. In the UK it was a campaign on a TV show in the late 80s which really had people discussing it as a serious issue in a mainstream setting for the first time. That’s why when the ‘Savile and others’ case investigated the vast majority of what they found was before that period. The majority was not people actively covering for anyone but just brushing it under the carpet.
There has also been a shift in what has been perceived as underage. In the 60s you had Jerry Lee Lewis marrying a 13 year old, Priscilla Presley was very very young, various other pop stars in the 60s and 70s dating girls at 15 and 16. When I was leaving school in the late 80s the tabloids used to print topless pictures of girls on their 16th birthday. All stuff that is unacceptable or illegal now.
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Regarding this Epstein business, this revelation was lately in the media over here:
Starting in the 1970s psychology professor Helmut Kentler conducted his “experiment.” Homeless children in West Berlin were intentionally placed with pedophile men. These men would make especially loving foster parents, Kentler argued.
A study conducted by the University of Hildesheim has found that authorities in Berlin condoned this practice for almost 30 years. The pedophile foster fathers even received a regular care allowance.
Helmut Kentler (1928-2008) was in a leading position at Berlin’s center for educational research. He was convinced that sexual contact between adults and children was harmless.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Someone mentioned in a tv program here that from the 70s to the 90s at least pedophilia wasn’t a big issue. Concerns about it were pooh-poohed as silly prudish thinking. This changed in the Netherlands after the Dutroux case. This led me to think people like Epstein, Clinton and Trump, who were in their 30s-40s in that era, probably got stuck in that mode of thinking.
There’s a very specific problem in the German left that’s connected to this Kentler story; there was a faction on the left that during the times of the sexual revolution in the sixties and seventies took sexual liberation to include children.
Sexual liberation was at the top of the agenda of the young revolutionaries who, in 1967, began turning society upside down. The control of sexual desire was seen as an instrument of domination, which bourgeois society used to uphold its power. Everything that the innovators perceived as wrong and harmful has its origins in this concept: man’s aggression, greed and desire to own things, as well as his willingness to submit to authority. The student radicals believed that only those who liberated themselves from sexual repression could be truly free.
‘Hostile Treatment of Sexual Pleasure’
To them, it seemed obvious that liberation should begin at an early age. Once sexual inhibitions had taken root, they reasoned, everything that followed was merely the treatment of symptoms. They were convinced that it was much better to prevent those inhibitions from developing in the first place. Hardly any leftist texts of the day did not address the subject of sexuality.
For instance, “Revolution der Erziehung” (“The Revolution in Education”), a work published by Rowohlt in 1971, which quickly became a bestseller, addresses sexuality as follows: “The de-eroticization of family life, from the prohibition of sexual activity among children to the taboo of incest, serves as preparation for total assimilation — as preparation for the hostile treatment of sexual pleasure in school and voluntary subjugation to a dehumanizing labor system.”
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You can guess it wasn’t. (I think it was off the air by then).
It was actually a very weird show called That’s Life which has something I don’t know is unique to British TV but had these radical shifts in tone. They’d have a feature on a dog that could say ‘sausages’ and some vegetables that looked like genitals and then move immediately on to one of the most moving pieces of television I have ever seen. (Do watch it, it’s amazing).
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I am following a comedian named Tim Dillon on youtube, who is obsessed with the Epstein case. He went to the Manhattan prison where Epstein was held dressed as a teenage girl with a sign saying “FREE JEFFREY” and he dressed up as Epstein’s temple going around Los Angeles asking for a job. He went to the scientology center, asking if they could use a child sacrifice temple. He’s probably going crazy again. He is absolutely hilarious, a comedian a bit like Doug Stanhope, although he gets a bit too obsessed about this stuff, as well as politics in general.
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Giving his history with drugs, it might be a bit triggering to you, Anders.
No worries, really. I don’t get easily triggered and besides, I… well… *ssssssnoooort* justdontdodrugsanymoreyaknow.
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On one of his latest podcasts he said “What’s a hebephile? Is that someone who loves Jews?” That made me spill my coffee.
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And everyone in the world lives happily ever after.
and you say you have stopped doing drugs
4 more years of Trump will cause WWIII and Mar Lago with become the new White House.
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And everyone in the world lives happily ever after.
and you say you have stopped doing drugs
4 more years of Trump will cause WWIII and Mar Lago with become the new White House.
Luckily, he won’t get 4 more years, he’s there for life.
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I am following a comedian named Tim Dillon on youtube, who is obsessed with the Epstein case. He went to the Manhattan prison where Epstein was held dressed as a teenage girl with a sign saying “FREE JEFFREY” and he dressed up as Epstein’s temple going around Los Angeles asking for a job. He went to the scientology center, asking if they could use a child sacrifice temple. He’s probably going crazy again. He is absolutely hilarious, a comedian a bit like Doug Stanhope, although he gets a bit too obsessed about this stuff, as well as politics in general.
If my name was Epstein, I’d change it to Hofheim.
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Does “all lives matter” really mean “White lives matter?”
Author Jason Reynolds explains why the phrase “all lives matter” is such a misguided, hurtful response to the Black Lives Matter movement.
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Hey guys, you wanna break the law? We can do it now! All you need to do is to show support for Hong Kong. It is globally illegal according to China.
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Hey guys, you wanna break the law? We can do it now! All you need to do is to show support for Hong Kong. It is globally illegal according to China.
Be gay, support Hong Kong.
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There’s probably someone in Buckingham Palace who refers to the US as the “rebel-occupied American Colonies”.
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There’s probably someone in Buckingham Palace who refers to the US as the “rebel-occupied American Colonies”.
Oh, he does a lot worse than that.
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There’s probably someone in Buckingham Palace who refers to the US as the “rebel-occupied American Colonies”.
Not just me then?
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Author Jason Reynolds explains why the phrase “all lives matter” is such a misguided, hurtful response to the Black Lives Matter movement.
The video “can’t be played from [my] current location”, but at this point, it’s not like this needs explaining. Well, I say “at this point”, but honestly the point when it didn’t need explaining was in 2013 when whoever it was said that for the first time.
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How the Media Turned Child Rape Into a ‘Tryst’ for Mary Kay Letourneau
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-53389098
This is what happens when @Christian goes through murder prep without you letting him know the murder was cancelled.
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