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The Dutch high council of law recently made euthanasia in cases of dementia legal by refusing to prosecute a doctor who euthanized a patient for this reason. At the patient’s request obviously.

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  • #48097

    Maybe if the Terminators had busted out some cool dance moves we’d all have been a lot happier with Judgment Day.

    Never mind Arnie-style quips, they should be programmed to do a little victory dance after each termination.

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  • #48124

    White Nationalism is obviously the far more likely ideology to lead to violence than Christian

    One might argue that’s less a Venn Diagram and more a circle

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  • #48128

    White Nationalism is obviously the far more likely ideology to lead to violence than Christian

    One might argue that’s less a Venn Diagram and more a circle

    Even though he’s German, I don’t see Christian as the beligerent, violent type.

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  • #48133

    A little while back I was saying about the new covid strain in the UK and that they have a department that basically specialises in that. That it may be more where it was found than where it originated or is now.

    Today I read exactly to what extent. In a Twitter thread from a virologist asking if it may be spreading in California to explain a spike there she said in the UK they have conducted 30,000 of the genome tests that analyse the makeup of the virus. In the USA they’ve done….90.

  • #48140

    In the USA they’ve done….90.

    More than I would’ve guessed.

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  • #48609

    White Nationalism is obviously the far more likely ideology to lead to violence than Christian

    One might argue that’s less a Venn Diagram and more a circle

    Even though he’s German, I don’t see Christian as the beligerent, violent type.

    He can be very persuasive though, that’s the problem.

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  • #48634

    Jesus. Fucking Trump. As usually with him, the thing about him trying to pressure the Georgia governour into rigging the election should go into the Weird News thread, but here we are.

    Highlights:

    TRUMP: But the ballots are corrupt. And you’re going to find that they are — which is totally illegal, it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know what they did and you’re not reporting it. That’s a criminal — that’s a criminal offense. And you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that’s a big risk. But they are shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what I’ve heard. And they are removing machinery and they’re moving it as fast as they can, both of which are criminal finds. And you can’t let it happen and you are letting it happen. You know, I mean, I’m notifying you that you’re letting it happen. So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.

    _______

    TRUMP: So what are we going to do here, folks? I only need 11,000 votes. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes. Give me a break.

    _______

    TRUMP: Why don’t you want to find this, Ryan? What’s wrong with you? I heard your lawyer is very difficult, actually, but I’m sure you’re a good lawyer. You have a nice last name.

    But, but I’m just curious why wouldn’t, why do you keep fighting this thing? It just doesn’t make sense.

    _______

    TRUMP: So tell me, Brad, what are we going to do? We won the election and it’s not fair to take it away from us like this. And it’s going to be very costly in many ways. And I think you have to say that you’re going to re-examine it and you can re-examine it, but re-examine it with people that want to find answers, not people that don’t want to find answers.

    It’s quite funny that we all get to listen to this. Clearly, nobody gives a shit about Trump anymore.

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  • #48635

    It’s quite funny that we all get to listen to this. Clearly, nobody gives a shit about Trump anymore.

    Raffensperger wasn’t going to release the call unless Trump attacked him, and of course President Stable Genius couldn’t help himself.

     

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  • #48663

    Sydney is now subject to a mask mandate; it seems a bit of an over-reaction to me, but it’s causing all sorts of cross border interstate arguments.

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  • #48670

    Julian Assange is not extradited to the US. Whatever happens next, I think we might be in for a (novi)shock!

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  • #48676

    Raffensperger wasn’t going to release the call unless Trump attacked him, and of course President Stable Genius couldn’t help himself.

    I give credit to Raffensperger for having the foresight to record the conversation, and then to release it to counter Trump’s subsequent false tweets. It’s a pity that more politicians don’t have Raffensperger’s commitment to doing what’s right for the country as opposed to what benefits their party or their purses. And props to Georgia’s governor Kemp for standing up for his Secretary of State rather than cave to pressure from the GOP and the current White House occupant.

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  • #48689

    Julian Assange is not extradited to the US. Whatever happens next, I think we might be in for a (novi)shock!

    It’s not perfect but always a sign of some hope that justice systems are not that beholden to political mandates.

    In Malaysia the courts often (if not always) come to conclusions against government whims, even stacking the supreme court with Trump has its limits when it came to the election arguments because they need evidence.

    There’s an appeal coming on Assange so it isn’t over yet but the court did come to a decision neither the UK – who would be happy to pass the problem on – or US governments would want.

  • #48690

    Julian Assange is not extradited to the US. Whatever happens next, I think we might be in for a (novi)shock!

    It’s not perfect but always a sign of some hope that justice systems are not that beholden to political mandates.

    In Malaysia the courts often (if not always) come to conclusions against government whims, even stacking the supreme court with Trump has its limits when it came to the election arguments because they need evidence.

    There’s an appeal coming on Assange so it isn’t over yet but the court did come to a decision neither the UK – who would be happy to pass the problem on – or US governments would want.

    If it weren’t for the fact that the supermax prison he will likely be sent to was deemed unable to accomodate for his mental health issues he would have been extradited. So it’s no clean win for him.

  • #48695

    There remains an incredible double standard here. Any terrorist attack is equally damaging but Trump right at day one set a different standard and response to Muslim extremists and white supremacists extremist who were removed from surveillance.

    There’s something that makes me think W and Obama paved the way for that attitude from Trump, so they share the blame, but it depends on the answer to this question:

    If someone who had connections with ISIL (or Al-Qaeda) was arrested for threats, and it turned out they were, under the radar, anonymously distributing ISIL  (or Al-Qaeda) propaganda to Mosques in an attempt to radicalize the attendees, could they be charged for that or is that Free Speech? Because there is a thing from White Supremists  that IMO, should be legally compared to ISIL  (or Al-Qaeda)propaganda about radicalization.

  • #48706

    It’s a very convoluted question but it is true that ‘radicalisation’ is a subjective term. John Lennon’s ‘bed peace’ protest was deemed as radical but threatened nobody physically.

    What you need to monitor is if those radical views have a high chance of transferring into violent attack. This is something proven in the past to be the case from Islamic radicals and the far right. What Trump did in 2016 was specifically move all observation of those potentially dangerous scenarios all on to the Islamic side. Probably no surprise those incidents, with security service monitoring, fell while the neo-Nazi ones increased to become by far the majority threat.

    This is why you shouldn’t play politics with it, the primary responsibility is to prevent harm from the majority who share none of either belief set. That includes the majority of Muslims and the majority of white men and women in the US.

    You may feel a cause even aligns with yours at times but that shouldn’t really matter. A lot of people in Wales had sympathies with the cause of the IRA, during the height of the troubles if you travelled on the London to Swansea rail line dustbins re-appeared when you crossed the England/Wales border because they wouldn’t target Wales with dustbin bombs (and never did). However that should not divert at all from the risk assessment to the general population or measures to prevent them.

    While having some of those political sympathies I condemn without pause every terrorist act on the public the IRA carried out, many killing innocent lives.

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  • #49049

    It will be years before scientists understand the full impact of COVID-19. I’ve other reports where people are suffering from mental difficulties and types of nerve problems.

    Ohio State study: 30% of student athletes have heart damage linked to COVID-19

    LOS ANGELES – In a study published in September, researchers from Ohio State University found that out of more than two dozen athletes from the university who tested positive for COVID-19, 30% had cellular heart damage and 15% showed signs of heart inflammation caused by a condition known as myocarditis.

    After mapping the hearts of 26 Ohio State University athletes using a process known as cardiac magnetic resonance (CMR), researchers found that not only 15% of students exhibited the rare heart condition but 30% showed cellular damage.

    “Cardiac magnetic resonance imaging has the potential to identify a high-risk cohort for adverse outcomes and may, importantly, risk-stratify athletes for safe participation,” study authors wrote. “Recent studies have raised concerns of myocardial inflammation after recovery from coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), even in asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic patients.”

    According to researchers, “myocarditis is a significant cause of sudden cardiac death in competitive athletes.”

    Acoording to the Mayo Clinic, myocarditis is typically caused by a viral infection with symptoms ranging from chest pain, fatigue, shortness of breath, to a negative impact on heart rate and rhythm as seen in conditions such as arrhythmias.

    The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tweeted on Sept. 17, “Heart conditions like myocarditis are associated with some cases of #COVID19. Severe cardiac damage is rare but has occurred, even in young, healthy people.”

    Medical experts have previously warned the public of links between the novel coronavirus and heart damage, especially in young people.

    The National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute at the National Institutes of Health explained that while COVID-19 most commonly impacts the lungs as it is a respiratory illness, damage to the lungs can lead to serious heart complications.

    Because the heart needs oxygen to function properly, COVID-19 can damage the lungs, preventing enough oxygen from reaching the heart muscle and further restricting oxygen from reaching other important tissues in the body.

    A separate report by a group of U.S. doctors published in the medical journal JACC warned of the potential of heart damage to children from the novel coronavirus.

    The report detailed the case of a 2-month-old infant diagnosed with COVID-19 who experienced a myocardial injury as well as a type of heart failure most commonly seen in adults.

    “Most children with Covid-19 are either asymptomatic or have mild symptoms, but our case shows the potential for reversible myocardial (heart) injury in infants,” said Dr. Madhu Sharma, the report’s lead author.

    In a news release published on Dec. 2, the group of doctors said the infant recovered with normal heart function and was eventually discharged with no heart failure medications.

    “The presentation and clinical course of this patient mirrors four case reports of acute myocardial injury reported in adult patients with COVID-19,” said Sharma.

    Another study published on June 25 in the journal Cell Reports Medicine found thatCOVID-19 has also been known to instigate inflammatory responses in the body which can negatively affect the function of one’s heart and brain.

    According to the study, researchers observed SARS-CoV-2 infecting human heart cells that were grown from stem cells in a lab. Within 72 hours of infection, the virus managed to spread and replicate, killing the heart cells.

    The researchers brought up the particularly alarming possibility that if COVID-19 can can infect the heart cells in a laboratory setting, it could possibly infect those specific organs, prompting the need for a “cardiac-specific antiviral drug screen program.”

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  • #49354

    Meanwhile, in Police State Britain:

    Two women have described how they were surrounded by police, read their rights and fined £200 each after driving five miles to take a walk.

    The women were also told the hot drinks they had brought along were not allowed as they were “classed as a picnic”.

    Now, ok, you might agree that the lockdown restrictions are necessary. But what exactly are the lockdown restrictions that were broken here?

    Guidance issued by the Cabinet Office states that people can leave their homes for exercise but should not travel outside their “local area”.

    However, the actual legislation does not specify a maximum distance that people are allowed to travel for exercise.

    Both the guidance and legislation state people can exercise with one other person, as Jessica Allen and Eliza Moore did.

    Human rights barrister Adam Wagner said: “There is no law against travelling to exercise. The guidance is not legally binding and the police have no power to enforce it unless it is reflected in the lockdown regulations which in this case it is not.”

    The BBC contacted the Cabinet Office, Home Office, College of Policing and National Police Chiefs’ Council to ask for clarification over what they define as “local area” in relation to exercise. None could clarify this.

    :unsure:

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  • #49357

    David, are you suggesting that the UK government’s directives are vague?

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  • #49362

    Think for yourself, use common sense etc etc.

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  • #49365

    David, are you suggesting that the UK government’s directives are vague?

    Maybe, maybe not. Let me find out what Kier Starmer thinks think and answer you next week.

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  • #49377

    Woman who accused Black teen of stealing phone is arrested

    Oh, good.

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  • #49390

    Think for yourself, use common sense etc etc.

    what a bizarre thing to say about a government bureaucracy.

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  • #49463

    That’s my day job Rocket.

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  • #49785

    One in five Israelis have been given first doses of coronavirus vaccines, roughly 10 times higher than the rate in the UK and US, with the country aiming to have inoculated all eligible age groups within two months.

    Israel’s lightning-fast vaccine campaign had been expected to slow down this week as the first batches of Pfizer/BioNTech doses ran low.

    However, on Saturday night, the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, said he had secured a commitment from the pharmaceutical company to bring forward deliveries in return for Israel providing “statistical data” – in effect making the country a mass test case to see how vaccines might halt the pandemic.

    “We will be the first country in the world to emerge from the coronavirus,” Netanyahu said.

    “The agreement that I have made with Pfizer will enable us to vaccinate all citizens of Israel over the age of 16 by the end of March and perhaps even earlier,” he added. Later, while receiving his second dose of the vaccine, Netanyahu said the country could do it within two months.

    As I mentioned not long back these stats can be very misleading. Aiming for percentage of population is much easier when your population is small. In fact the US has administered over 3 times as many vaccine jabs as Israel and if you applied the raw numbers to Israel’s 8m population they’d be 80% done now and not at 20%.

    That said with them flying through the percentages of population it will be a useful indicator on how effective it is.

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  • #49812

    Just don’t mention the Palestinians being denied the vaccine.

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  • #49830

    “We will be the first country in the world to emerge from the coronavirus,” Netanyahu said.

    .ummm… China? Taiwan? S. Korea?

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  • #49835

    Lol… do they really only have 8 million people total??? xD

    Oh shit… seems they do… wow… there’s like 20 million in my city alone (okay 8 in the city proper, but 20+ in the larger metropolitan area, which is basically an extension at this point) =/

    So yeah, it’s gonna take a while… oh well, fortunately I’m no hurry.

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  • #49870

    Israel is actually a really small country, including the Palestinian territories which you drive in and out of fairly regularly with far fewer controls than you’d imagine. When I was there in 2019 we left our hotel in Egypt in the morning and had travelled most of  the length of Israel/Palestine in a bus to Jerusalem by the afternoon. It’s not hugely habitable either outside the coastal area by the Med as they don’t have enough water, there’s a lot of bare desert.

    There’s a certain irony in there being so many years of claims over what is really a rather shitty patch of land.

    Back to the point though they will serve as a great test case for how effectively the vaccine drives down case rates, hospitalisations and deaths.  The various trials can show the efficacy of the vaccine but not how it’ll work on a societal level like which restrictions can be removed and how soon.

     

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  • #50120

    Fucking hell.

    9,000 children died in Irish mother-and-baby homes, report finds

    Some 9,000 children died in Ireland’s church-run homes for unwed mothers, a government report published on Tuesday has found. This is equivalent to 15 percent of all children who were born or lived in the institutions over nearly 80 years.

    The 3,000-page report also described emotional and even physical abuse some women were subjected to in the so-called mother-and-baby homes.

    “It appears that there was little kindness shown to them and this was particularly the case when they were giving birth,” it said.

    The homes, many run by nuns and members of the Roman Catholic Church, operated in Ireland for most of the 20th century, with the last home closing as recently as 1998. They received state funding and also acted as adoption agencies.

    The report found the responsibility for the harsh treatment of women who gave birth outside of marriage rested mainly with the fathers of the children and their own immediate families. However, it added that treatment was supported by, contributed to and condoned by the institutions of the state and the churches.

    According to anonymous accounts, women giving birth were sometimes “verbally insulted, degraded and even slapped.”

    “We did this to ourselves, we treated women exceptionally badly,” Ireland’s taoiseach, or prime minister, Micheál Martin, told reporters Tuesday afternoon after the report was released. “All of society was complicit in it.”

    The report also noted the very high rate of infant mortality in the homes, calling it “probably the most disquieting feature of these institutions.”

    In the years before 1960, it said, mother and baby homes did not save the lives of “illegitimate” children — instead they significantly reduced their prospects of survival.

    It did not include an explanation for such a high rate of mortality.

    Martin said the report revealed “significant failures of the state of society” and must be a catalyst for social change.

    The Commission of Investigation Into Mother and Baby Homes, which carried out the five-year inquiry, also looked at allegations that some children in the homes were used in vaccine trials with no parental consent for their participation.

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  • #50154

    Bruce Willis is an asshole. (Okay, that part isn’t news.)

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  • #50161

    ‘Saved by the Bell’ Actor Dustin Diamond Hospitalized

    Saved by the Bell star Dustin Diamond has been hospitalized. The 44-year-old actor’s team confirmed to ET that he was hospitalized in Florida over the weekend after feeling pain all over his body and a general sense of unease.

    Diamond’s team tells ET he’s “undergoing tests” to find the cause of his pain, but noted that his doctors are concerned it’s cancer. Diamond, who lost his mother to cancer, will have a biopsy done. “All we ask is just people put him in [their] thoughts and prayers,” his team states.

    Diamond is best known for playing Screech on Saved by the Bell and its follow-up shows from 1989 to 2000. He did not appear in the show’s recent reimagining, which premiered on Peacock last year.

    In a November interview with ET, Diamond’s Saved by the Bell co-star, Elizabeth Berkley, discussed whether or not he’d appear in the show’s second season if it was renewed.

    “We’re discussing, but I just don’t know yet. It depends on the storylines and how they play out and all of that, but I wish Dustin nothing but the best,” she said. “I just haven’t seen him for a lot of years but I do wish him the best. He was always kind to me.”

  • #50191

    “We did this to ourselves, we treated women exceptionally badly,” Ireland’s taoiseach, or prime minister, Micheál Martin, told reporters Tuesday afternoon after the report was released. “All of society was complicit in it.”

    Well, at least he’s finding clear words for this. Fucking hell indeed.

    We don’t even need to start on the Catholic Church here do we.

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  • #50209

    The Catholic Church negotiated a compensation package with the Irish government a few years ago in exchange for some level of immunity from criminal charges around the Mother and Baby homes. 1.2 billion in land and cash. As of today they haven’t paid a cent of it, but the government is building a multi-billion hospital facility that is running way behind schedule and way over-budget, and when it’s completed it’ll be handed over to the Church for administration.

    Michael Martin’s words are worthless, his deeds show exactly where his loyalties lie.

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  • #50210

    Can’t we like, I dunno, storm the Vatican armed with zipties or something?

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  • #50231

    Can’t we like, I dunno, storm the Vatican armed with zipties or something?

    Don’t forget to dress like a patriotic furry.

  • #50248

    9,000 children died in Irish mother-and-baby homes, report finds

    That’s a shocking number. What about those who survived, though? What sort of abuse did they suffer and what sort of lives have they had? Looking at it rationally, all those should have been abortions, right? If the law had allowed it, and the Catholic Church had not done everything it could to prevent contraception and abortion, then these institutions would not have existed or at least not have had that many people going to them.

    I mean, it would have been a story about 9,000 discarded condoms, not dead infants. Essentially, there would have been no story.

    “Not to be born at all is best, far best that can befall, next best, when born, with least delay to trace the backward way. For when youth passes with its giddy train, troubles on troubles follow, toils on toils, Pain, pain forever pain; And none escapes life’s coils. Envy, sedition, strife, carnage and war, make up the tale of life.” – Sophocles, Oedipus at Colonus

     

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  • #50255

    Looking at it rationally, all those should have been abortions, right? If the law had allowed it, and the Catholic Church had not done everything it could to prevent contraception and abortion, then these institutions would not have existed or at least not have had that many people going to them.

    This was basically where people put undesirable mothers and children – single mothers, mixed-race relationships, illicit affairs, you name it. Much of the atrocity took place well before abortion could feasibly have been legalised – The commission’s remit ran from 1922, and abortion wasn’t really accessible in the UK until 1967 and Roe vs Wade wasn’t decided until 1973. The constitutional ban on abortion here was introduced in 1983 to forestall a legislative change or a court judgement like Roe Vs Wade. Really, social acceptance of non-traditional families would have been a better solution as many of these people would have been perfectly happy just raising their children in peace, while others may have preferred to have an abortion.

    Also, it’s worth noting that mother and baby homes of this sort weren’t limited to Ireland. They certainly operated in the UK in the 40s but apparently they weren’t as bad as the Irish ones.

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  • #50279

    Can’t we like, I dunno, storm the Vatican armed with zipties or something?

    Dibs on the Pope’s shoes!!

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  • #50330

    Can’t we like, I dunno, storm the Vatican armed with zipties or something?

    Dibs on the Pope’s shoes!!

    Didn’t Pope Franco explicitly and famously reject wearing the shoes of Pope Hitler Jugend?

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  • #50331

    Didn’t Pope Franco explicitly and famously reject wearing the shoes of Pope Hitler Jugend?

    wiki:

    Pope Benedict XVI restored the use of the red papal shoes, which were provided by his personal cobbler, Adriano Stefanelli of Novara, who has several pictures and documents in his shoe-shop attesting the fact.[2][3] In 2008, Pope Benedict XVI also restored the use of the white damask silk Paschal mozzetta, which was previously worn with white silk slippers.[4]

    The current pope, Pope Francis, has chosen to wear black shoes, forgoing the tradition for his pontificate.[5]

    Huh. I hadn’t realised this. Interesting.

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  • #50358

    The current pope, Pope Francis, has chosen to wear black shoes, forgoing the tradition for his pontificate.

    A very practical man: black goes with everything.

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  • #50856

    Conspiracy-mongers here (and I suspect everywhere) are already shouting that the government is going to force them to take the vaccine. Which is nonsense, mainly because they won’t have to; there is little doubt that once the vaccine has been around for a while, more and more people will take it voluntarily. And it’s not like we have enough of it at the moment.
    One surprising and not-so-great development though is that a lot of the staff in nursing homes don’t want to be vaccinated, which is of course a big problem.

    Oh, and there’s also already discussion of whether the vaccinated should at a certain point be able to have certain freedoms again – once a moderate part of the population is vaccinated, they could theoretically go to cafés and cinemas and stuff again without risk (at least if it does turn out that vaccination also prevents the spreading of the virus, not just the disease in the individual). It’s an interesting discussion but once again fairly irrelevant, as it’ll be a long while before anyone who isn’t 80+ is vaccinated.

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  • #50859

    a lot of the staff in nursing homes don’t want to be vaccinated

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  • #50860

    That’d be one possibility, but the thing is that people aren’t exactly queuing to get jobs that are physically and mentally exhausting and badly paid in understaffed nursing homes. So threatening the existing staff with mandatory vaccinations (like some politicians have done) doesn’t exactly help in this situation.

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  • #50862

    Pretty sure if you’re vaccinated you can still carry and transmit the virus, so it will need a large proportion of the population to be vaccinated before things can begin to return to normal.

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  • #50863

    Pretty sure if you’re vaccinated you can still carry and transmit the virus

    That’s a very open question right now, but it seems that it’s more likey that you can’t transmit it. No studies yet to prove it either way though.

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  • #50866

    Luckily, nursing homes could become a thing of the past, given the virus situation. Problemo esolved-o!

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  • #50903

    In 1947 a smallpox outbreak began in New York City, but thanks to swift and decisive action officials were able to vaccinate virtually the entire 6 million New Yorkers in a month. That’s ONE MONTH!!

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  • #50904

    They are delivering it pretty rapidly now.

    They can’t target it in the same way though as it’s spread worldwide. Globally we’re doing 2.4m vaccines a day and the US has delivered roughly 14m since 14th December. Half of over 80s in the UK have already had at least one dose and should be totally covered within a couple of weeks as the rate seems to be increasing.

     

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  • #50922

    Half of over 80s in the UK have already had at least one dose and should be totally covered within a couple of weeks as the rate seems to be increasing.

    That sounds a little optimistic. In my local area they’ve done a third of over 80s and they’re spending the next three weeks concentrating on care home residents before they get back to the over 80s. My dad is in Wales and they stopped for a week because they’d used up their supply.

  • #50928

    Fair enough, that was how it was reported on Sky News today but I’m not on the ground.

     

  • #50945

    There’s a headline on the BBC saying they’re delivering 140 jabs a minute. If they did that 12 hours a day, 7 days a week (which they’re not) it would still take nearly 2 years to do the whole UK. And yet Matt Hancock still says everyone will get a jab by September.

  • #50976

    Whether they achieve it or not I don’t know as supply is always the big unknown but there is a ramping up process too. I know they are opening 10 mass vaccination sites in England next week and Wales is starting to use pharmacies to distribute it.

    You can’t help but be wary of any targets coming out of the UK government but there is evidence of that speeding up. From the NHS England numbers they are vaccinating nearly 5 times faster than they were 2 weeks ago. They did eventually achieve the testing targets after a lot of initial failure.

    Here without the same purchasing power the first deliveries only come next month and we’ve been told that nobody under 60 can expect a jab before Q3. Case rates are a lot lower than the US and Europe though but rising so we’ve gone back into lockdown for at least 2 weeks. Malaysia are going the Pfizer and Astra-Zeneca route though which I’m more comfortable with than Indonesia who have started vaccinating but are going for the Sinovac which only has 50-55% effectiveness.

     

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  • #51182

    My mom is 88 and she has not gotten a shot yet. She is on a list with the local hospital and they will call her when they have a shot available for her. Of course here it seems most of the national news channels are more concerned with the “war” zone that is Washington D.C. Wow is that depressing looking.

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  • #51336

    They are delivering it pretty rapidly now.

    They can’t target it in the same way though as it’s spread worldwide. Globally we’re doing 2.4m vaccines a day and the US has delivered roughly 14m since 14th December. Half of over 80s in the UK have already had at least one dose and should be totally covered within a couple of weeks as the rate seems to be increasing.

     

    It’s pretty much only senior citizens who die from this, mainly over 80 years old. So that would be good news if those could get the vaccine quickly.

  • #51340

    Well that’s the plan, most rollouts are going with healthcare workers and the over 80s first up. Those that are younger and die tend to be front liners who are exposed to large amounts of viral load. It’s why I criticised some of the US rollouts that prioritised public workers who are not exposed to the public in their jobs, to me they can wait.

    Saying that the recent report from the UK was quite concerning. Leicester University analysed those who have been hospitalised and recovered from Covid and found 29% had been re-admitted within 5 months with other conditions related to organ failure. Now that could also be related to age, as you get older organs like the heart are more likely to fail, however they saw a significant number with type 1 diabetes. Type 1 diabetes can happen at any age but is often called ‘juvenile diabetes’ because it is mostly found in the young, type 2 is the illness that tends to happen to older people based on poor diet and obesity. The incidences of type 1 signifies an attack on the pancreas that is not typical at all of older patients.

    I’m being careful mostly to protect my 79 year old mother in law who lives with us at the moment but also for myself, nothing is definitive and peer studied yet but it looks like even if you are at very slim risk of dying in middle age your body could be permanently damaged.

  • #51344

    The numbers here are finally going down, but we’re still going to tighten measures until mid-February, mainly because of the new mutations. So I’ll be working from home for a bit longer, which is fine by me – more time for the baby.

    It’s really something that just when you can see the light at the end of the tunnel with the vaccinatinons, these mutations pop up and make things even more difficult. But I have to say that, you know, in spite of everything, I have to say I kind of love that we have to hide away at home because the British Mutant is stalking the streets. I don’t know how people who didn’t read all the shit I did in my you and beyond deal with this new world, from Trump to covid.

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  • #51347

    Pshh we were doing so well until like mid/late october, and then it all went tits up in here. Fuckin’ people, I swear…

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  • #51362

    Forbes, the premier American business magazine, has thrown down a gauntlet of sorts against any company that hires any of Trump’s press secretaries or others who knowingly repeated his lies and falsehoods over the past four years:

    Let it be known to the business world: Hire any of Trump’s fellow fabulists above, and Forbes will assume that everything your company or firm talks about is a lie. We’re going to scrutinize, double-check, investigate with the same skepticism we’d approach a Trump tweet. Want to ensure the world’s biggest business media brand approaches you as a potential funnel of disinformation? Then hire away.

    This isn’t cancel culture, which is a societal blight. (There’s surely a nice living for each of these press secretaries on the true-believer circuit.) Nor is this politically motivated, as Forbes’ pro-entrepreneur, pro-growth worldview has generally placed it in the right-of-center camp over the past century — this standard needs to apply to liars from either party. It’s just a realization that, as Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously said, in a thriving democracy, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. Our national reset starts there.

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  • #51366

    I think it’s a tricky position to be decrying “cancel culture” as a blight while at the same time publishing a Shit List of these people with the deliberate aim of undermining their employability.

    We’re going to scrutinize, double-check, investigate with the same skepticism we’d approach a Trump tweet.

    Shouldn’t they be doing this with all sources anyway?

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  • #51377

    Shouldn’t they be doing this with all sources anyway?

    I think that what they are saying is these people who have a history of deception will be the opposite of “trusted sources” who have a history of honesty and truth.

    Who would you hire any of these persons? None of then did their due diligence when it came to the statements they made to the press. They also were combative towards the press. I have a republican co worker that used to defend Trump by saying he was our President and that he respects the position regardless of the person holding it. (I’m curious to see if he sticks to that stance with Biden).  I don’t know if there is a business out there that has the same respect as the President of the United States.

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  • #51378

    I don’t have any problem with that and I don’t have a high opinion of those people myself.

    I’m just saying that it’s a very fine (non-existent?) line to walk, to be both railing against cancel culture at the very same time as you’re essentially publishing a blacklist.

    I’m happy to point out hypocrisy at both ends of the political spectrum.

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  • #51382

    this standard needs to apply to liars from either party. It’s just a realization that, as Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously said, in a thriving democracy, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts

    I’m happy to point out hypocrisy at both ends of the political spectrum.

    Apparently so is Forbes.
    Over in the Politics thread,  there is a link to an article where Fox News appears to moving towards an opinion based organization and away from a fact based one. IF that is true, having these Trump employees working out in businesses will increase the opinion based Fox’s hold on their audience and make intelligent debate near impossible.

    When I was a child, my brother would deliberately alter facts to aggravate me. That is why Fox and Trump bother me so. I don’t mind being wrong because it means I can learn new things but if you call me wrong with incorrect information a.) you are wasting my time and b.) irritating me because no one likes to be told they are wrong.

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  • #51450

    Over in the Politics thread,  there is a link to an article where Fox News appears to moving towards an opinion based organization and away from a fact based one.

    If I remember that correctly, it’s about Fox’s online branch doing that and thus becoming much like its TV News, which has been an opinion-based organisation for ages.

    FOX and OAN and whatnot is presumably where all these people will get jobs.

    And where cancel culture is concerned, Dave is right to call that sentence hypocrisy, but hey, these are definitely people who should be cancelled forever and ever. If I never have to see Conway’s hateful face again, that’ll be nice.

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  • #51494

    It seems a bit of virtue signalling to me. Which the media does a lot of. Of course people who have shown themselves to be liars should be held op to a high degree of scrutiny, that is “kicking in an open door”. Forbes wagging their finger and saying “we’re watching you!” is a bit silly.

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  • #51500

    It’s a pretty pickle we’ve got ourselves into really.

    I mean politicians have always been ‘economical with the truth’. They often don’t deliver manifesto promises or use spin to deflect from failures. ‘The Thick Of It’ was based on the spin doctors of the Blair era trying to make bad stories look not so bad.

    What we have now is blatant repeated lying, it started on day one with Trump when he reported the biggest ever crowds at the inauguration which was blatantly untrue but it’s the President so they have to run it, others fell in line repeating blatant untruths. So how do you deal with that? If it’s primarily from one side then it plays havoc with standard impartiality rules of giving equal time to speak and challenge. If Boris Johnson says Britain’s test and trace system, which is a complete failure on every metric, is ‘world beating’ in a very Trump style then he’s lying and if Kier Starmer plucks out facts that it performs poorly he’s telling the truth but journalists outside partisan papers don’t find it easy to hammer one and not the other. However that really just encourages everyone to lie as you’ll probably get away with it.

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  • #51564

    Politicians obviously lie a lot, but it makes you wonder who is officially the arbiter of “truth” and “fact”. Is it the New York Times? The BBC? Or Dorsey and Zuckerberg?

     

    I think it makes sense to assume most people who tell you anything may be wrong, or may be lying.

     

    I think in the battle against misinformation we can’t become intolerant against dissenting voices. The world advances because of people who dissent.

  • #51575

    I don’t really understand that point.

    To me it’s not about dissenting voices. I’ve loved dissenting voices for many years, when backed with fact. Most of my political stances to be honest are dissenting from the status quo.

    The issue is when someone (in power) says something blatantly untrue, it’s not a subjective opinion how many appear at an event, you can take photos and count. Like this.

    Spin is essentially taking the facts and interpreting them in the best way. The Russian style popularism is just repeat bullshit until it’s believed.

    Can I grind you down Arjan by saying things forcefully with no evidence?

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  • #51577

    Can I grind you down Arjan by saying things forcefully with no evidence?

    Yes, probably. I believed the lies about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

     

    I think there is a danger with the fight against misinformation that inconvenient people for the status quo get targeted. Like youtube putting non-mainstream new sources further away in the search results, and giving results from CNN instead.

     

    Like I said, there are obviously people out there who spread misinformation, and whose voices shouldn’t be amplified, but there are also people who say inconvenient things that could get tossed out with the Sean Spicers etc. despite saying things that are worth listening to. People on the left too. Like Glenn Greenwald and Chris Hedges.

  • #51618

    I think the “in power” part that Gar mentioned is key. When the people in power are blatantly lying to the public, there have to be different consequences than dissent from private citizens, or people working in academia or the media. Times used to be, you could shame such figures in power into stepping down – there was no impeachment process for Nixon because being impeached in itself was enough to shame him into doing that. Trump was different because he has no shame about lying; he doesn’t even know how that’s supposed to work. And the people who encouraged him in this have to feel the consequences, too.

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  • #51955

    do we need new judges? how do we get new judges?

    Here in Rochester, We had a judge who consistently got caught driving drunk and in possession of an unregistered firearm. Eventually she went to trial and got convicted. While on parole she continued to do the same thing. Eventually she got put in jail. While she got restricted from hearing cases, she was still receiving her six figure salary because she could not be fired or terminated without the NYS government convening a special panel. She sat in jail earning thousands of $.

    The two systems of justice will continue until we can figure out how to get new better judges, imo.

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  • #51961

    Jesus, is every judge in the US basically hired for life? I thought it was only SCOTUSes!

  • #51965

    Jesus, is every judge in the US basically hired for life? I thought it was only SCOTUSes!

    The US legal system is hierarchy porn.

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  • #51967

    Jesus, is every judge in the US basically hired for life? I thought it was only SCOTUSes!

    Many have to run for office like politicians. Which is one of the problems. You have to be rich to be a judge. Law School then campaign financing and connections.

  • #51969

    Jesus, is every judge in the US basically hired for life? I thought it was only SCOTUSes!

    Many have to run for office like politicians. Which is one of the problems. You have to be rich to be a judge. Law School then campaign financing and connections.

    And a lot of long-term positions see the incumbent running unopposed.

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  • #51989

    Big news in Russia

    Russia protests against Putin boost Navalny and challenge Kremlin (cnbc.com)

    Navalny has boxed Putin into a ‘humiliating’ Catch-22 – Business Insider

    Opinion | Biden must act to save Navalny’s life — and hopes of freedom in Russia – The Washington Post

     

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  • #52025

    It’s seriously crazy that Nawalny is actually having an impact on Putin. I suppose the social-media-savviness that he’s recently shown makes the difference.

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  • #52033

    Surely there’s a third option: discredit him? That doesn’t seem beyond the power of the Russian state.

  • #52039

    You would think so, but Putin has been doing his best and it doesn’t seem to catch on.
    Whereas Navalny has discovered youtube and figured out how to become viral. Can’t fight that, not these days.

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  • #52058

    Netherlands shaken by third night of riots over Covid curfew

    For fucks sake, Arjan; Will you calm the fuck down? I know times are stressful for ya, what with the liberation of Belgium Southern Netherlands and the covid restrictions and all, but 150 innocent people have been arrested while the police are looking for you! Give yourself up to the authorities before someone gets hurt!

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  • #52072

    Why would anybody riot in a place where pot and prostitution are legal? :unsure:

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  • #52074

    Why would anybody riot in a place where pot and prostitution are legal?

    Because the pot cafés and brothels are closed due to lockdown presumably.

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  • #52076

    Because the pot cafés and brothels are closed due to lockdown presumably.

    That totally makes sense! The Dutch authorities really need to understand what are really “essential” services.

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  • #52116

    I think the coffee shops are actually open (not for drinking coffee, just for buying weed)

     

    These riots are upsetting. They actually burned down a covid testing place. I hope it calms down soon. People seem to be especially concerned about the nighttime curfew, I don’t think that is such a big deal

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