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Here’s where we talk about collected editions: TPBs, hardcovers, omnibuses, Absolutes… anything with a spine!

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  • #62111

    Not your fault Vik.  I can see how some of it works and it does have those neat moments plus great art.

    Also, it was only £8, that’s what? Two issues now?

    In other news, I won’t believe it until I have it, but I might have successfully nabbed a copy of Uncanny X-Men Omnibus 4.

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  • #62287

    Brief Reviews

    Gideon Falls Volume 6

    It’s the end and I still couldn’t tell you what this book was all about and that doesn’t matter.

    It doesn’t matter because this wasn’t a book for clear cut answers.  It was all about hinting and alluding but never outright confirming.

    And the art design is superb.

    One last thing: Skritch. Skritch. Skritch.

    Norse Mythology Volume 1

    It isn’t original content but with the art roster this has? Doesn’t need to be.  Russell, Mignola, Ordway, Thompson – every page is excellent.

    It’s not a cheap buy but the hardback has excellent production values.  Those values in turn show off the art to maximum effect.

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  • #62405

    Karmen HC

    So after enjoying issues #1 and #2 of the Image translation of this graphic novel I got impatient and ordered the original French HC from Dupuis so I could read the full story straight away. And I thoroughly enjoyed it.

    With a fantastical yet downbeat vibe that’s somewhere between Sandman’s Death and It’s A Wonderful Life (with a touch of Gilliam-esque bureaucracy thrown in when it comes to the otherworldly end-of-life-management group that Karmen is a part of) the story captured my imagination thanks to an immediately engaging concept (that sees a young female suicide victim fly unseen, ghost-like, around Palma, looking in on her loved ones and re-evaluating her life) as well as interesting, three-dimensional characters.

    Not to mention the absolutely beautiful art from March that’s really well-served by the larger format. Here’s how it compares in size to the English-language singles from Image:

    And here’s the kind of beautiful art you can expect:

    Without giving too much away, the story develops beyond the fairly basic setup nicely, and by the end there’s some genuine well-earned emotion and some neat twists, making use of a variety of smart callbacks to some of the earliest scenes in the book.

    That’s one of the reasons why I think the story works better in OGN form than divided up into single-issue length instalments – so if you’re on the fence about trying the series, I’d wait for the trade.

    Hopefully Image will put out something as nice as this OHC in English, although even at regular size it would be worth a look – the gorgeous oversized presentation of this original version is just the icing on the cake.

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    Dan
  • #62444

    Dealer Alert

    SpeedyHen is open for pre-ordering the Death & Glory OHC due at start of June for just over £23.

    Image OHCs have gone a bit wonky, some are still easy to get while the Skyward one proved difficult.  So preordering might be the best way to go.

  • #62623

    Usagi Yojimbo Saga v9 (the last of the Dark Horse issues before the series moved to IDW, bulked out by the Turtles cross-over collection) is now up on Books Etc for a mere £13.44.

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    Ben
  • #62643

    Nice one, have bagged it.  Did want to try for the hardback but the second edition of v1 has gone unbelievably fast and v9 will likely be the same, especially with the added factor of Covid.

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  • #62645

    Priest’s Deathstroke is really good. He’s great at making these elaborate master plans for his characters that end up being a ruse for a much simpler objective that open up unexpected avenues for the plot. In the first issue, a dictator hires Deathstroke to kill Clock King, the Clock King counters with the location of Slade’s kidnapped best friend/handler Wintergreen, when Slade goes to save him he loses his costume and has to use an older model Wintergreen had with him. It turns out the costume change was the true objective of the dictator’s plan because the old costume’s A.I. system can be hacked. Pretty ingenious stuff.

    But even better is that Priest underpins the action with Deathstroke’s fraught relationships with his ex-wife and his two surviving children, Jericho and Ravager, adding moral complexity and pathos to the arch, Breaking Bad-style plans within plans. Jericho in particular is quite a complicated character. I’ve never read Teen Titans so all I know is people think he’s kind of lame but here he showcases his parents’ ruthlessness and knack for manipulation. He is also confirmed as bisexual; I think that was just hinted at before. Thankfully he has also lost the blond fro and mutton chops!

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  • #62763

    This just arrived.

    Eric Hall would be proud, it’s a suitable monster of a book.

    If you’re keen but unaware the Cartoonist Kayfabe channel has done a video flick through of the book, and followed that with a series of 6 videos looking at some of BWS’ other work (having already delved into Weapon X some time ago).

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  • #62787

    I have Uncanny X-Men Omnibus 4!

    Used the buying from Amazon US via Amazon UK route.  Not cheap but can work for isolated cases.

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  • #62788

    That’s what I did with the Inferno Omnibus too. Managed to get Uncanny 4 from eBay.

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    Ben
  • #62849

    Reckless Volume 2 has arrived.

    Also have a copy of Frankenstein Alive, Alive!

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  • #62850

    Reckless Volume 2 has arrived.

    Yeah my copy came yesterday too. Hoping to get to it this weekend.

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  • #62851

    I’m living dangerously with Criminal Deluxe v2. It’s in stock some places, but I pre-ordered on Speedy Hen with a £5 off voucher, so I’m holding out that they actually get some in (it wasn’t really a pre-order, but a “it’s not in stock but order anyway” thing). I emailed them and they reckon it’ll take 3-4 weeks – just long enough for everywhere else to sell out, I reckon.

  • #62853

    Before Watchmen: Minutemen was pretty good although didn’t really justify its existence. I didn’t think it would though and I was just looking for great Darwyn Cooke artwork and retro storytelling; it delivers in that department. I particularly like how it fleshed out the two least appreciated Minutemen, Silhouette and Mothman. That’s all it really adds though. The rest of the storyline mainly makes explicit stuff we already figured out from the original

    I started the Silk Spectre mini included in the same volume but it’s nowhere near as good. I’m guessing Cooke just plotted it and Amanda Conner wrote the script. Not sure if I’ll finish it. Won’t be getting any more of these, I bought this for Cooke not Watchmen.

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  • #62866

    I’m living dangerously with Criminal Deluxe v2. It’s in stock some places, but I pre-ordered on Speedy Hen with a £5 off voucher, so I’m holding out that they actually get some in (it wasn’t really a pre-order, but a “it’s not in stock but order anyway” thing). I emailed them and they reckon it’ll take 3-4 weeks – just long enough for everywhere else to sell out, I reckon.

    Books etc. seems to have copies in hand for under £30.

    https://www.booksetc.co.uk/books/view/-9781534305434

  • #62867

    Before Watchmen: Minutemen was pretty good although didn’t really justify its existence. I didn’t think it would though and I was just looking for great Darwyn Cooke artwork and retro storytelling; it delivers in that department. I particularly like how it fleshed out the two least appreciated Minutemen, Silhouette and Mothman. That’s all it really adds though. The rest of the storyline mainly makes explicit stuff we already figured out from the original

    I started the Silk Spectre mini included in the same volume but it’s nowhere near as good. I’m guessing Cooke just plotted it and Amanda Conner wrote the script. Not sure if I’ll finish it. Won’t be getting any more of these, I bought this for Cooke not Watchmen.

    Most of the Before Watchmen minis were similarly disappointing. Dr Manhattan was the only one I thought was genuinely good.

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  • #62874

    I’m living dangerously with Criminal Deluxe v2. It’s in stock some places, but I pre-ordered on Speedy Hen with a £5 off voucher, so I’m holding out that they actually get some in (it wasn’t really a pre-order, but a “it’s not in stock but order anyway” thing). I emailed them and they reckon it’ll take 3-4 weeks – just long enough for everywhere else to sell out, I reckon.

    Books etc. seems to have copies in hand for under £30.

    https://www.booksetc.co.uk/books/view/-9781534305434

    Do we know if the printing error in original OHC2 is fixed?

  • #62875

    I’d bloody hope so. Books etc is my fallback (and I switched Criminal 1 and Usagi 9 there from SH) but my SH pre-order is only £22 thanks to the voucher.

  • #62884

    I just switched from Speedyhen to Booksetc. For Criminal vol 2. (They delivered vol 1 a few weeks ago)

  • #62888

    SH have had some wins for me, like getting the Aphra omnibus and X of Swords but also have been erratic.  Some books seem harder for them to get.

  • #62909

    Reckless: Friend of the Devil

    I enjoyed this but it wasn’t quite the knockout of book one. The story felt a bit mechanical in places and took a while to really get going. It also felt a bit familiar, reminiscent of other stories that have played with similar ideas.

    With this team it’s still a very solid comic of course: some of the smaller details of private eye work are great, and I think Sean Phillips’ looser-than-usual art style works well for the rough, pulpy tone of this series.

    And I also love Jacob’s colours that play a big role in setting the mood. There are some standout pages here that really grab you.

    But overall it didn’t quite wow me like some of their work has in the past. I guess they’re bound by their own very high standards these days.

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  • #62917

    Hi,

    For anyone who is considering Coates’ Captain America run, the Amazon pre-order for OHC2 might be worth a punt:

    Why? There’s a few reasons:

    • Coates’ run ends at #30, but this volume only goes up to #25 as of now.
    • Amazon and other places have it due end of June, but Forbidden Planet have the release as December 2021.
    • This suggests an expansion of the OHC from 13 to 18 issues, with a price increase to match but order now and Amazon has to honour the lower, current price.
  • #62922

    Went looking for Monsters from Amazon.ca and only found it from 3rd party sellers – U.S. sources.
    Tried another source, Chapters/Indigo, and found it there. Decent price, but nervous about the shipping (like Purolator and a couple of others only come when I’m at work, won’t leave it even if they could, so I have to drive way out of my way to pick-up within 5 business days).
    They use Canada Post, who have parcel box-thingie in my lobby. Works for me.
    Anyways…

    Got my Criminal Deluxe vol. 1 today from Amazon.ca. It is indeed the 2021 printing and not the 2017 printing as listed (seems everybody is listing it as that).
    I have it, even though I was worried during this whole process.

    But I was at work today, and they sent me a picture of my delivery. Not at my door (I’m okay with, and trust people on my floor), and also not in the mail area, inside adjacent to the lobby (I guess I’m okay with). No, fucking outside by a service door for the building.
    I can forgive Birth defects, or your mom drank while pregnant, even a failed Kurt Cobain attempt.
    But come on! Kinda want to say something, but hate to screw with someone’s job.

    While other countries have vol. 2 released on Tuesday (May 11th), Amazon.ca has nothing but 3rd party selling (and how nice of someone from France willing to wait for the new printing and then sell it to me for $244.37 – but with Free Shipping! Va te faire foutre!)
    Chapters has an out-of-date “ships in 3-5 weeks” (I suspect from the 2017 printing that’s long gone) with a not great price.
    Amazon.com has an okay price of $49.99 (vol. 1 is $33.99!), but then add 13.75 to ship, and times that total by 1.21-ish. Yuck.

    Think I’ll just order from Chapters, even if I have a nagging feeling in ‘3-5 weeks’ I’ll get an e-mail saying sorry, and then Sold out in the U.S.
    And I’m willing to do this all again with Fatale! (need that too)
    Hopefully I’m just over-reacting

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  • #63031

    Ok, Omnibus hunting – David Hulk 4 due Jan 2022, with reprint of Omnibus 1.

    Suggests there will be a reprint of Omnibus 2 so worth trying to nab Omnibus 3 later this month

  • #63032

    Off Road

    This early Sean Murphy OGN from Oni was a fairly simple and quick read but quite enjoyable.

    A meandering story about three young male friends who get stuck when they take a new jeep off-road, it has the feel of a tall tale that’s vaguely rooted in reality somewhere, but with a lot of bullshit and exaggeration layered on top. In a good way.

    The characters are fun dicks and the art is an interesting mix of fairly simple cartooning with some hints of Murphy’s more sophisticated later style. Especially when it comes to his vehicles which he clearly loves to draw.

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  • #63158

    Really liked Batman: Universe. I bought it for the Nick Derington art but ended up enjoying Bendis’s story too. I haven’t liked a Bendis comic since Dark Avengers, and this was almost as good as that (with even better art). The Bendis-isms in the dialogue do a get bit much by the end but otherwise this was a top notch comic. Reminded me of a long JLU episode.

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  • #63162

    Yep, Batman Universe was joyous.

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  • #63167

    Dealer Alert

    Move fast:

    Immortal Hulk OHC3 – BooksEtc – £17.94

  • #63217

    All right, time to crack open BWS’s Monsters….

  • #63229

    All right, time to crack open BWS’s Monsters….

    I started reading it last night too. I know some others have bought it as well – we should compare notes when we’re done.

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  • #63236

    The second volume of Criminal has arrived and looks great next to my volume one…Yep, nothing wrong with this at all 😰😂

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  • #63240

    Does it have the printing error the first edition had?

  • #63242

    At least you don’t have copies of both the initial printings and the new reprints of the OHCs on your shelf. I mean, if someone did that and bought both, then they’d really have a sickness, right?

    :whistle:

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  • #63243

    Does it have the printing error the first edition had?

    No, looks like they’ve fixed all the wordless pages.

  • #63244

    Thanks. Now can I evade feeling guilty over dropping £27-28 for 2-3 pages?

  • #63247

    I read Monsters last weekend and I thought it was stunning. It’s horrifying and heartbreaking in equal measure with BWS’s art was as accomplished as you’d expect. If you can squint you can see the bare bones of the original Hulk proposal (the father character particularly) but it moves far beyond that to deal with the potential monster that potentially lies within everyone.

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  • #63259

    The Secret Service: Kingsman TPB 

    After realising the other day that I’d still somehow never read this I ordered a copy and it arrived today. I picked it up after work and didn’t put it down again until I was finished. I think it’s one of Millar’s best and most entertaining books, and Gibbons’ art is great too.

    The Bond pastiche stuff all works, the class aspect is a nice twist that goes far beyond superficial dressing, there’s lots of good action and it’s very funny too – all the various sci-fi/geek references made me chuckle, especially the very funny opening scene.

    They should make a movie of this or something.

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  • #63260

    You might want to check out the Red Diamond sequel too.

  • #63261

    You might want to check out the Red Diamond sequel too.

    I missed that one when it came out as singles. How was it?

  • #63262

    You might want to check out the Red Diamond sequel too.

    Oh, it’s good then?

  • #63265

    Fun enough.  Williams and Fraser make for a good creative team.

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  • #63281

    The Bond pastiche stuff all works, the class aspect is a nice twist that goes far beyond superficial dressing

    The class aspect is what the second movie was missing. That’s to me the main thrust behind the idea and without it it just became a Bond pastiche which is something we’ve seen many times.

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  • #63284

    I haven’t seen either of the movies but it’s good to know that aspect comes through in the first one, at least.

  • #63285

    I’d recommend watching the first one. Egerton and Firth are very good in the roles and the action set pieces are a lot of fun.

    I think the problem the sequel had is the comic and first film basically end with the lead reaching his destination as a super spy, so you can’t really go back and replay that even though it’s the most interesting element.

    It’s a bit like Johnny Storm ‘growing up’ for the 376th time in the FF comics.

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  • #63289

    The first film is also a smart example of how much latitude adaptation allows for, while being true to the source material.

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  • #63301

    Sounds good.

    I had always planned to read the comic before watching the movie, which is part of why I haven’t seen it yet. Now I’ve done that I’m keen to give the movie a look.

    And it looks like it’s available on Disney+. Great.

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  • #63377

    100 pages into Monsters. It’s slow-moving, the focus has just shifted to the main character (Bobby Bailey, the military experiment subject), so still unsure what to make of it. What’s clear though is that this is a comic by an artist in complete control of his craft, pouring his heart and soul into each page. While I have issues with some of the dialogue (it can be a bit repetitive, I think it could’ve been trimmed down substantially) I am eager to see where the rest of this unpredictable narrative goes.

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  • #63479

    Today’s the 20th anniversary of the release of New X-Men #114, so I re-read the Grant Morrison run for the first time since it finished.

    xmen

    Still great, especially compared to what came immediately before and after, with a few bits that don’t quite hold up (the “Beast pretends to be gay” stuff is very odd). The art is more consistent than I remember: the Kordey issues are rushed, and I don’t think the Bachalo ones fit with the tone of the book, but Jimenez works great once he comes on.

    The big thing I noticed is how the transition to the climax of the story feels very rushed. It feels like he had those last two arcs planned out the same as they always would have happened, but there should be another dozen or two issues before we get to them.

    I’d forgotten how relatively minor a character Quentin Quire was in this run, and how completely different he is to the character who’s around these days. The Stepford Cuckoos come fairly fully-formed though, as does Glob Herman. I wouldn’t mind seeing some of the other students from this era show up on Krakoa now. I’m surprised we haven’t seen Ernst/Cassandra Nova at all.

    Anywhere, well worth revisiting.

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  • #63482

    Today’s the 20th anniversary of the release of New X-Men #114

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  • #63506

    100 pages into Monsters. It’s slow-moving, the focus has just shifted to the main character (Bobby Bailey, the military experiment subject), so still unsure what to make of it. What’s clear though is that this is a comic by an artist in complete control of his craft, pouring his heart and soul into each page. While I have issues with some of the dialogue (it can be a bit repetitive, I think it could’ve been trimmed down substantially) I am eager to see where the rest of this unpredictable narrative goes.

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    I’m at the same point now, around 100 pages in and the first act of the story has just ended. And to be honest I’m finding it really uneven.

    The art is fantastic but sadly the writing isn’t up to the same standard. It’s not just overwritten – BWS fills pages with about twice as many words as you need – but it’s also incoherent in places, especially when it comes to times and dates.

    For example, early on, captions tell us that a scene set in April 1964 is fourteen years after the previous scene, which was June 1949, so the caption is a year out; then after that, one character writes a letter that’s clearly dated ’65 rather than ’64, with no reason given. In another scene we’re told that a character is visiting the next day, but they then turn up a week later instead, again with no explanation for the change. All minor mistakes but together they feel confusing, like you can’t trust the book to tell its own story.

    Another thing that I’m finding grating is the regular device of having speech balloons overlap panels and lead from one to the next, but in a way that’s often really unnecessarily confusing in terms of what order to read the various speech bubbles. This kind of panel progression is very typical:

    And there are also some production errors where parts of the text have been cropped out altogether.

    This stuff is all a real shame as the art is really, really good – beautiful, detailed, refined pen and ink stuff. And when the art tells the story alone it really flows. I love this page, for example:

    But most of the time the writing (and lettering) feels like it’s really getting in the way of itself, and is undermining what should be a fairly straightforward story to understand.

    It’s a shame as I really wanted to love this.

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  • #63509

    This week, I bought the final volumes of and re-read another trade series I’d had hanging for ages: the post-Infinite Crisis Booster Gold series. This is the one that has him become “the greatest hero you’ve never heard of”, where he reinforces his public persona as an glory-hunting idiot so that no-one suspects him in his new role as guardian of the timestream. Across six volumes there’s three phases of this series.

    The first is by Geoff Johns and Jeff Katz. I don’t know if it’s the addition of Katz (who I’ve never heard of in anything else) but this is perhaps the only Geoff Johns book I like. His usual fetish for old DC continuity works for the time-travel premise of this book. The plots are good, the characters are interesting and it’s fun without being a joke (a danger that Booster always runs – more on that later). Johns even throws in some fourth wall breaking Doctor 13 cameos, which is nice given he’s the butt of some jokes/disdain in that series. The first volume is the best and sees Booster having to fix anomalies created by time-travelling villains and honestly, that could have easily worked as a longer, ongoing premise, Johns and Katz largely tie up their first story pretty quickly, moving on to a different time-travelling villain for the second volume. That’s ok – the Black Beetle is kind of interesting (though unfortunately there’s no real pay-off here for all his appearances – I don’t know if there is over in Blue Beetle). The bigger problem with the second volume is that it does another Johns trope (well, I assume it’s a trope. I’ve certainly seen him do it before and I’ve not read many of his comics) in that Booster ends up in an alternate timeline, after being tricked into saving Ted Kord from being killed by Max Lord. As soon as they arrive in that alt timeline, it’s obvious there’s only going to be one resolution to it, but the characters conveniently take ages getting to it so the story can hang out in some OMAC world, which isn’t as interesting as it thinks.

    The artist on the Johns/Katz run is Booster’s creator Dan Jurgers, which must have been a tad weird for him. After a couple of guests writers – Rick Remender (whose story isn’t collected in these trades) and Chuck Dixon, who does an ok Batman-centric story that doesn’t entirely make sense – Jurgens takes over as writer of the book and carries on with the same premise. Jurgens’ stories have perfectly decent plots, but there are two real issues the series has in this period. The first is that the book’s rules on time travel just sort of fall apart. Johns and Katz had set up some premises for time travelling – mainly the idea of solidified time. This is that certain events in the past will always happen and you can’t change them (which they then bent for the Blue Beetle story, admittedly). This is demonstrated with Booster trying to prevent Barbara Gordon’s paralysis in Killing Joke and never succeeding, which works ok. But solidified time is a bit of a limiting idea, which is maybe why the series tends to ignore it when it pleases. As the writers changes across the series, there’s no real consistency as to how Booster’s actions affect the timeline. Is his input the way things were always destined to happen? Can he ever actually make any change to history without completely breaking the timestream? If he goes back to a place where he was already does that create a paradox or does he replace the previous version of himself that visited? All of this seems to happen from story to story. This is hardly the only time travel series to not have any consistency on it – Doctor Who has gone nearly 60 years not particularly caring that much – but it’s more of a problem in a short comic series like this. It’s not helped by the fact that Booster’s ability to time travel seems to change from writer. With Johns and Katz he has to use Rip Hunter’s Time Sphere things, while Hunter also has a remotely operated Time Platform that can drag things through time. But other writers have him being able to time travel via something in his suit. It’s a frustrating lack of consistency that shows a slightly slack editorial hand.

    The other problem with Jurgens’ run is that it ends up circling back round on all the same themes as Johns and Katz, most notably the idea of not having the right to changing history by saving lives. Booster ends up in Coast City while it’s being destroyed by Mogul and Cyborg Superman and starts trying to stop them, despite Skeets telling him that he can’t. I get the emotional core of that story – not wanting to be powerless to save people at the whims of history – but Booster and the reader have already gone through that not that many issues previously. It’s very much a point that’s been made.

    After Jurgens’ the series is taken over by JM DeMatteis and Keith Giffen, who also have history with Booster. This is the volume I hadn’t read before now and I was a little dubious at the notion of these two taking the reins on Booster Gold again. Not that I didn’t like their Justice League stuff, but the character has moved well beyond that and I wasn’t sure they wouldn’t regress him back. In a way they don’t. They’re fairly true to Booster’s character growth (they don’t get Skeetz at all though and he undergoes a massive change in voice and personality, becoming essentially L-Ron from JLI). But they have him go back in time to the JLI era and getting stuck in a jape with Blue Beetle that runs six issues. It’s not a terrible story in and of itself, but it’s clearly an exercise in nostalgia for them rather than a true continuation of the series that Booster Gold actually is. They don’t quite seem to get the “greatest hero you’ve never heard of” concept, or just don’t care for it, as shown by having Booster use that line himself when he spends the first issue in 30th century Daxam. It’s completely meaningless for him to use there and it’s just a bit strange. The whole “time travelling hero” thing ends up feeling like an inconvenience to the story they want to do (while also happening to be a handy bit of plot convenience in places).

    It doesn’t help that they have the series work in the margins of Justice League: Generation Lost (which I’ve not read). There’s a big moment at the end of their first issue where it turns out Max Lord is alive again. Then suddenly, in the next issue, almost everyone on Earth (including, somehow Rip Hunter – who is reduced in this phase of the series to mostly just hanging around and being caustic) has forgotten who he is. Booster is ostensibly going into the past to get proof of his existence, but it feels like wheel-spinning for Generation Lost, frankly. The other weird thing is that they have Booster end up with a surrogate daughter of sorts, a young kid he saved from Daxam and is guilted into taking care of, which doesn’t work at all. This is partly because she’s given next to no room to do anything apart from the odd page here or there to remind the readers of her existence (and also Booster’s sister Michelle, who really gets short-shrift at various points throughout this series).

    The final volume ends with some fairly nothing comedy story of Booster ending up in WW2 Italy and encountering General Glory, who I guess is a Captain America parody from some bit of JLI I’ve not read. It’s a long way from the heights of the book and a pretty terrible ending. Although from just checking now it seems that wasn’t actually the end of the series, just the point at which DC stopped bothering to collect it in trades and there’s 9 more issues. I might check those out.

    Maybe.

  • #63520

    @DaveWallace yeah Monsters can be confusing in places. I like most of it but I’m often finding myself having to reread to pick up on a minor timing/plot point. The dialogue itself can be vague. When Sgt. MacFarland is tells his wife: “The story is he [Tom Bailey] went crazy and he shot up 4 of his buddies. Killed them all. Tom Bailey was Bobby’s father, and Janet’s husband, and he murdered Poppa.” I had to read that like 5 times to get that MacFarland was talking about his own father. I thought maybe BWS had left out the word “his” and meant that Tom had killed his (Tom’s) father.

    I wonder if he wrote a script beforehand–either full script or the detailed storyboards that many cartoonists do–or showed it to anyone before going to finished pages. Some of the mistakes seem like things I pick up in revision and after showing the work to friends/family. The clarity issues are all relatively minor but they add up.

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  • #63528

    Yeah, it feels like a book that could have done with a separate edit from a third party.

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  • #63599

    Alright, I’ve finished Monsters. The issues Dave and I mentioned persist through the whole thing–plot points/timing can be vague, there’s WAY TOO MUCH dialogue, the ordering of the speech bubbles can be tricky–but… BUT… this is still a gorgeous book, by one of the god tier masters of English-language comics.

    The story that is being told, although it could’ve/should’ve been sharpened, and maybe didn’t need to rely on such extensive flashbacks for every principle character (the Tom/Oskar flashbacks near the end should’ve been combined into either just Tom’s or just Oskar’s recollections imo), is often very moving. This is a story about the trauma of WWII on the men who fought it and their families, about how fate often separates us from the people we need most, and the solution BWS offers his characters is both tragic and, in a spiritual sense, hopeful. Maybe this is not the only world. Maybe we can make things right elsewhere.

    I’m glad this book exists. That BWS could’ve tinkered with it a bit more to achieve perfection will always be regrettable but sometimes the imperfect works by a master are the ones you go back to most often. I already feel like I want to reread it, now that I know the horrors driving these characters and where the story leads.

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  • #63616

    Yay, SpeedyHen have just sent off my copy of All New Wolverine Omnibus.

    Now will they be successful on the probably much harder to obtain Hulk Peter David Omnibus 3? Hard to say, as that’s classic X-Men level popularity and UXM4 they couldn’t get, decided not to wait on Inferno – cancelled and nabbed from BooksEtc instead.  Will keep an eye out.

    Don’t have the second one, but that might get reprinted next year.

  • #63618

    Yay, SpeedyHen have just sent off my copy of All New Wolverine Omnibus.

    They’ve just sent out my copy of Criminal Deluxe v2 as well. Huzzah!

  • #63619

    Yay, SpeedyHen have just sent off my copy of All New Wolverine Omnibus.

    They’ve just sent out my copy of Criminal Deluxe v2 as well. Huzzah!

    Hurrah. I gave up and got from Books etc. Now I feel disloyal to the hen!

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  • #63621

    I was so close to doing the same. If I didn’t have the £5 voucher on the order, I’d have done it weeks ago.

  • #63743

    Alan Moore’s 2000ad digital trades are on a half price sale at the 2000ad shop: https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/on-sale

    I suspect many have already read them but if not it’s a good price to pick them up.

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  • #63745

    I’ve never read the colourized Halo Jones, so I’ll check that out.

  • #63751

    Buy Immortal Hulk OHCs or wait for an Omnibus.

    Seeing as its unlikely to be a hulk movie, will we see an omnibus?

  • #63765

    How long do you want to wait for an unconfirmed but, if it happens, cheaper Omnibus? Even at RRP $125-150, it’ll be cheaper than buying 5 OHCs, but will be some time away.

    OHC4 is due in Sept

  • #63776

    I read Batman: Kings of Fear by Scott Peterson & Kelley Jones. Bought it for Jones but the story is pretty cool, Scarecrow doses Batman with a new fear gas and uses a hostage to force him to go under psychoanalysis. He gets Batman to envision a Gotham without Batman, where Bruce Wayne uses his wealth and influence to turn Gotham into a city of the future. Peterson bites off a bit more than he can chew though because he doesn’t really address that point satisfactorily after Batman gets his head straight and defeats Scarecrow. He does come up with a good fix for what use Batman is when his rogues gallery keeps coming back. Joker, Two-Face, Scarecrow, etc are the exception; the recidivism rate for Gotham criminals who get caught by Batman is under 2%.

    Jones is the real draw and he’s fantastic, especially paired with colorist Michelle Madsen who douses his Gothic linework in neon greens and purples. It’s just gorgeous. If I was in charge of DC, I’d have her recolor the Moench/Jones run from the 90s which was seriously let down by subpar early digital coloring.

    kof1

    kof2

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  • #63812

    I liked Kings of Fear. I think I said at the time I reviewed it that Peterson did a good job of capturing the feel and tonality of the Moench/ Jones/ Beatty run. It felt like it could almost be a part of that body of work; far more than Gotham After Midnight did, for example.

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  • #64367

    Hellblazer: City Of Demons TPB

    Picked this up as one of the few Murphy books I haven’t read yet.

    The story is ok – it revolves around a load of people getting transfusions of Constantine’s demonic blood and going all weird (is this a thing that’s been established before in the Hellblazer comics? It was a bit under-explained here) but the art is decent, there are some funny lines, the London setting is established nicely, and there’s a suitably adult tone to proceedings that puts this squarely in the Vertigo camp rather than the more family-friendly DCU version.

    Plus, this collection also includes a fun little Christmas-themed short text story with illustrations, all by Dave Gibbons.

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  • #64392

    The Twilight Children, featuring Darwyn Cooke’s last ever artwork, is a bit of a mixed bag unfortunately. Cooke’s art is great, and Dave Stewart remains his best colorist, but Gilbert Hernandez’s story is too vague to be satisfying. It’s a magical realist yarn about strange glowing orbs that appear in a small coastal town, periodically making people vanish, blinding people, and unleashing deadly blasts of energy. Meanwhile, a mute young woman with snow-white hair arrives in the town, and she seems to have some kind of connection with the orbs.

    Very little ends up being explained. There’s some connection between the orbs and the moon. The moon may have sent the orbs as revenge because one of the men in the town was once her lover–does this make him an alien? A spirit? Another celestial body? It’s unclear. I’m all for art that’s abstract and open to interpretation, my favorite artist in any medium is David Lynch after all, but there’s got to be some kind of entry point for the reader and here there just isn’t one. There doesn’t seem to really be any themes running through the work, the characters are sketches rather than full people, and at 4 issues the whole thing’s too short to build up a real sense of mystery. I usually love stories like this but, on the writing side of things, I was thoroughly disappointed.

    I also finally read Silver Surfer: Parable which is just excellent. Moebius’s art is as great ever, rendering images of pure awe in his simple, elegant style, and Stan Lee’s script is both bombastic and a heartfelt plea for humanity to think for itself instead of following self-serving leaders and religious fanatics.

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  • #64471

    The story is ok – it revolves around a load of people getting transfusions of Constantine’s demonic blood and going all weird (is this a thing that’s been established before in the Hellblazer comics? It was a bit under-explained here)

    The blood itself or people going weird from it? I don’t think we’ve ever seen the latter, but John’s blood has been used to do a lot of different stuff over the years, so, sure, why the hell not.

  • #64473

    Both really. There’s a quick faux-scientific explanation of the blood being unusual and then the craziness isn’t really explained in much detail, so I wondered if this was established Constantine lore (I only tend to dip into Hellblazer so I’m not familiar with much of it).

  • #64478

    I’ve not read a huge amount of Constantine either, but I think he gets a blood transfusion from a demon fairly early on in, as part of Delano’s run.

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  • #64479

    Ah, that would make sense then. Thanks.

  • #64491

    Looks like BooksEtc have copies of the reprinted/corrected Morrison Action Comic omnibus available for £34.

    Place your bets!

    https://www.booksetc.co.uk/books/view/-9781779513977

  • #64498

    Move fast, those can go quick.

  • #64588

    I’ve not read a huge amount of Constantine either, but I think he gets a blood transfusion from a demon fairly early on in, as part of Delano’s run.

    Yep, first storyline and it’s the demon Nergal. It’s only mentioned once more in Delano’s run though, I think, and nothing big comes of it; Ennis digs it up again though when the King of the Vampires tries to bite John and his half-demon blood burns his jaw clean off. Ennis does some more stuff with it, and since then it’s been part of the lore here and there, whenever a writer thinks of something interesting to do with it or wants to use it as a deus-ex-machina save.

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  • #64589

    Speaking of John, Spurrier’s second trade was awesome and while I’m glad the storyline was wrapped up, it’s still such a shame that he didn’t get to continue. John is left in a very interesting place at the end there.

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  • #64631

    I finished Usagi Yojimbo Saga v9 today, which is the end of an era really. Not only the last Dark Horse Usagi stories but also the last Usagi stories to be published in black and white. I’m not normally a fan of black and white comics – I can find hard to discern detail in a lot of them – but I’ve never had that problem with Usagi, so I was a bit disappointed that it was moving to colour for IDW.

    However, I have to say, this volume makes the case for it. The linework in these final black and white stories is increasingly sketchy and scruffy, especially compared to earlier volumes, where Sakai was a master of neat linework. It’s not bad by any stretch, but it does have a sense of feeling a tad rushed perhaps. Compare that to the Turtles cross-over story that this trade Saga double-dips on (which must surely have been a test for taking Usagi to IDW), which has the usual neat line and does feel enhanced by the colours.

    As for the actual stories, well, they’re good, but they’re not the best UY tales going. As mentioned, this Saga double-dips on the TMNT collection, so there’s only two digests of new material. Both see Usagi hanging around with Inspector Ishida, who is a fun character… in moderation. Whenever Usagi’s with him, it’s to do a mystery story, which is fine in the general mix, but two solid digests of that (and I think the tail end of Saga 8 was as well, IIRC) is a bit much. I was itching for Usagi to get back on the road.

    The first digest is a string of independent stories with a connective theme, one that isn’t resolved and I worry will get forgotten in the publisher move. The second digest is all one story, The Hidden. Usagi is no stranger to long epic stories, but while this is an epic in length at seven issues, it doesn’t justify that. It feels quite drawn out and padded. I wonder if that’s down to editorial interference – these issues had a numbering rebrand where the main series numbering was minimised and they promoted it almost as a mini-series.

    The subject matter of the story is a little outside my UY comfort zone too: it deals with the burgeoning Christian movement in Japan and its persecution, something UY has touched on before. While it is a valid historical element of the period, I always find a bit odd being brought into the series. It’s not that I’m Christian (or particularly anti-Christian) and I couldn’t tell you if Sakai is, but it’s just a bit odd to find out that Inspector Ishida is. I don’t know, maybe it’s because Usagi’s world is usually so foreign that having a staple part of my world enter it feels like it’s breaking the magic somehow. Either way, it doesn’t really warrant seven issues.

    Overall, it feels like the Dark Horse era of Usagi has gone out with not a bang but not quite a whimper. Maybe a fizz?

    Onward to the IDW series, I guess.

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  • #64634

    Outer Orbit TPB

    This was an OK read that grew on me a little bit the more I read it.

    A light-hearted mismatched buddy-comedy sci-fi space romp (in terms of tone, think something like Millar’s recent Space Bandits), the book is less about the core plot – which involves the two leads chasing after a femme fatale and a mysterioys idol macguffin while outrunning the law – and more about putting the characters in funny/silly/action-packed situations and wringing some laughs out of them.

    The division of labour for the creators is unusual – both Zach Howard and Sean Murphy write, and they also alternate art for different scenes depending on which of the two leads is most prominent, and collaborate on art for the framing scenes that run throughout. And while that sounds like it could be jarring, they’re actually similar enough in style that you barely notice the transition.

    Overall, it’s fairly frothy and insubstantial stuff, but it gave me a couple of laughs and the art has its moments. Disposable fun.

  • #64636

    Jealous of the Sean Murphy binge that you’ve been on Dave. Haven’t read Off Road or Outer Orbit. Or the Star Wars Tales thing. How/ where did you find them? Were they expensive?

  • #64655

    I’ve been waiting out a lot of this out-of-print stuff on ebay and elsewhere as I didn’t want to pay too much for them. Usually I find that if you’re patient even relatively rare stuff comes along at a decent price.

    I often use search sites like this one to compare prices without too much effort. Between places like ebay, Abebooks and Alibris you don’t usually have to wait too long.

    Oddly enough Music Magpie often turns up some hard to find stuff at a reasonable price.

    (As a guide for these books specifically, I think Outer Orbit was about £8, I paid just over £10 for Off Road, £7 for Hellblazer and about £4 for that Star Wars issue.)

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  • #64656

    Awesome! That site will actually be pretty handy for picking up text books for my uni course too :-) Thanks for this.

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  • #64660

    No worries. Yes, of all the price-comparison sites I’ve used, that’s the most straightforward and comprehensive. It doesn’t list Speedyhen though, so always worth double-checking there too.

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  • #64674

    The replacement printing of the Grant Morrison Superman omnibus is here…

    …now with added speech balloons!

    Well done to DC for correcting the initial error.

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  • #64723

    Haha wow, Sholly Fisch gets billed over Morales for writing some backups.

  • #64734

    Haha wow, Sholly Fisch gets billed over Morales for writing some backups.

    I think it’s because their name got missed off on the first print/edition.

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  • #64746

    Probably best to leave Fisch off, honestly. They didn’t bill Travel Foreman or Ben Oliver or Cully Hamner either. I get the writer-first billing is easiest and highlights who’s guiding the story/characters which is what most fans are there for, but it’s kind of silly to do it with a backup strip writer over the main series artist.

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  • #64755

    Haha wow, Sholly Fisch gets billed over Morales for writing some backups.

    I think it’s because their name got missed off on the first print/edition.

    Not only that, but when it was included inside it was spelled wrong.

    I think DC have pretty much addressed every criticism of the first version with this reprint. They’ve even reordered the issues to match the TPB reading order (rather than the initial release order of the singles) so it’s far more than just restoring the missing words from that page.

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  • #64785

    Rereading Garth Ennis and John Mccrea’s The Demon. Artwork is visceral but the rhyming couplets that all of Etrigan’s dialogue is in is pretty hard going at times. Overall though it’s fun to dip back into this.

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  • #64791

    Near Mint Condition revealed there will be reprints of popular Omnibuses towards the end of the year: Uncanny X-Men 4, David Hulk 1, New Mutants 1 – hopefully the likes of Excalibur 1, Hulk David 2 and War of the Realms gets added.

  • #64811

    Rereading Garth Ennis and John Mccrea’s The Demon. Artwork is visceral but the rhyming couplets that all of Etrigan’s dialogue is in is pretty hard going at times. Overall though it’s fun to dip back into this.

    I read the issues included with Hitman vol. 1 and remember thinking it felt pretty obvious Ennis didn’t have any interest in writing Etrigan’s dialogue that way.

  • #64904

    Rereading Garth Ennis and John Mccrea’s The Demon. Artwork is visceral but the rhyming couplets that all of Etrigan’s dialogue is in is pretty hard going at times. Overall though it’s fun to dip back into this.

    I read the issues included with Hitman vol. 1 and remember thinking it felt pretty obvious Ennis didn’t have any interest in writing Etrigan’s dialogue that way.

    He says in the intro to the first Demon volume that he bought a rhyming dictionary but didnt use it once. Also, I think one of the storylines in the second volume has Etrigan lose his ability to rhyme.

    I find the rhyming hard going as the rhythm and structure change pretty much from page to page.

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  • #64951

    For those after the book, SpeedyHen have just sent off my copy of Death Or Glory: Prestige Edition.

  • #64952

    For those after the book, SpeedyHen have just sent off my copy of Death Or Glory: Prestige Edition.

    I’m picking this one up too. Looking forward to it as I’ve heard good things.

  • #65020

    Well, with the combination of:

    – The rising price of Omnibuses, RRP of $125-150 is becoming more common, with discounted price being £60-70 if you’re lucky.  This is getting me to the limit of what I’m willing to pay for them.

    – Availability issues, they have become harder to get.

    – Quality of can be variable.

    – I tend to see 1300 pages as a practical max but DC are now putting out 1500-1600 volumes.

    It’s probably inevitable that Tynion’s new Bat-run gets Omnibus editions.

    But, as those are years away, might never happen, be very pricey if they do and, there is so much positive chatter around it, nabbing the hardbacks cheap, for a few quid more than the later paperbacks looks the far, far better option for cost, quality and ease of reading.

  • #65045

    Legion of Super-Heroes: Before the Darkness Vol. 2 Hardcover – Jan. 25 2022

    Experience the Legionnaires’ far-flung adventures leading up to the great darkness saga!

    The second volume of the Legionnaire’s incredible run is here!

    Discover the answers to these intriguing mysteries in Legion of Super-Heroes: Before the Darkness, an astonishing collection of action-packed episodes from acclaimed talents Gerry Conway, Paul Kupperberg, E. Nelson Bridwell, J.M. DeMatteis, Jim Janes, Steve Ditko, Jim Sherman, Frank Chiaramonte, Dave Hunt, and more! This second and final volume collects The Legion of Super-Heroes #272-283, The Best of DC: Blue Ribbon Digest #24.

    Final? Did a quick search and this catches up to two previously released Deluxe Hardcovers.
    LSH: The Great Darkness Saga (issues #284-296 and Annual #1) – Nov. 2010
    LSH: The Curse (issues #297-313, Annuals 2 & 3) – Sept. 2011

    I would order today, but both out of print and hard to get.
    Surely DC has plans to reprint these soon, right? Right?

    Then what of past that point? That’s up to the name change when the Baxter title started and #314-325 were Tales of the LSH. That’s a Hardcover right there.
    The Baxter series ran for 63 issues and 4 Annuals. 4 HC’s or 2 Omnibuses.
    You can have my money DC. But why do I get a headache thinking about it?

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  • #65089

    DC have a compendium of Tom Strong out in November: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1779510705

    Paperback, 952 pages.

    I’ve never read it, so I’ll probably give it a shot.

  • #65090

    Tom Strong is enjoyable. A less self-conscious book than usual for Moore, proper pulpy fun.

  • #65091

    Tom Strong is brilliant, probably top 5 Moore for me. I think it’s as deconstructive as a book like The Authority or Ultimates but optimistic rather than cynical. Tom has a wife and kid, a healthy sex life, he shares his technology with his city, current science informs the stories… It often gets labeled as “retro” but I think that’s doing it a disservice. It’s as forward thinking as anything else Moore’s written.

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  • #65099

    I have the two Deluxe Edition hardcovers already, but they only printed the Moore/ Sprouse issues. They never published a 3rd or 4th edition, even though there were some great high profile guest creators involved. Looking at the page count of the Compendium there’s enough there for the full series, but not enough for the spin offs and sequels. So it’s annoying that the product description is unusually vague on this. Hopefully the solicitations in a month or two will be more explicit about this.

  • #65100

    I have the two Deluxe Edition hardcovers already, but they only printed the Moore/ Sprouse issues. They never published a 3rd or 4th edition, even though there were some great high profile guest creators involved. Looking at the page count of the Compendium there’s enough there for the full series, but not enough for the spin offs and sequels. So it’s annoying that the product description is unusually vague on this. Hopefully the solicitations in a month or two will be more explicit about this.

    Yeah I’m in the same boat with having the HCs already.

    To be honest I think some of the best Tom Strong stuff is in the ABC short story titles, Terrific Tales and Tomorrow Stories, so it would be nice if at least some of that was included here.

  • #65103

    It could go either way I guess. Just have it a pure Moore collection, including the short stories from the anthologies. Or the full #1-36. Or maybe just all the Sprouse illustrated issues. I would almost be happy with either, but at the same time would be upset about what we didn’t get. The only logical answer is to expand the page count and stick an extra $25 on it.

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  • #65105

    I’m a big fan of Peter Hogan as a writer who did a chunk of the ABC spin-off stuff. I’ve never read anything by him I didn’t enjoy, he did an excellent Constantine spin-off in the 90s that’s one of my favourites.

    I think he’s always had different revenue streams as a writer and dips in and out of comics so has never really established a following but for someone little-known, if I see his name on a book I buy it.

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