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Are you tired of reading comics in short, monthly instalments?

Do you yearn for nice, smart books with spines, dustjackets and no ads?

Are you willing to pay ridiculously inflated prices for hardcover reprints of comics you already own in three different editions, just because the page size in the new version is ½” bigger?

Then this is the thread for you!

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  • #95497

    Ah, well, I did get a good amount of use out of that one!

    Thanks for the tip off Dave.

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  • #95507

    Monstress Book 2?
    Sorry, forgot to say something. I spotted that back in February.

    Releases on Dec. 13th (from Amazon, so a week earlier in comic shops).
    Contains Monstress #19 – 35, and Monstress: Talk Stories #1 – 2
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    Edit:

    Monstress Book Two Hardcover – Dec 13 2022 – Amazon.ca

    War between humans and the hybrid Arcanics is poised to explode across the Known World, but the wounds of the last war have yet to heal. Maika Halfwolf, a hardened Arcanic survivor, is on a mission to discover the secrets of her past — and to understand Zinn, the eldritch monster that lives beneath her skin. But to find those answers, she’ll have to figure out who she can trust — and who is poised to betray her.

    Collecting volumes 4-6 of the Eisner, Hugo, Harvey & British Fantasy Award-winning series by MARJORIE LIU and SANA TAKEDA, MONSTRESS, BOOK TWO is a deluxe, oversized hardcover brimming with more than 500 pages of art deco beauty and steampunk horror that will make an elegant addition to any fan’s shelf.

    Collects MONSTRESS #19-35 and MONSTRESS: TALK-STORIES #1-2.

    Publisher ‏ : ‎ Image Comics (Dec 13 2022)
    Language ‏ : ‎ English
    Hardcover ‏ : ‎ 528 pages
    ISBN-10 ‏ : ‎ 1534323147
    ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-1534323148
    Item weight ‏ : ‎ 788 g

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  • #95511

    No worries Sean, Amazon UK has the same listing but it’s not Image yet.  Think I’ll be using that to check on stuff now.

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  • #95571

    Recent reads

    The Bone Orchard: The Passageway

    I can agree with the criticism that the resolution but, at the same time, I’m also content to go along on the ride that Lemire-Sorrentino have created.

    The one thing that would have been good to have bundled with this is the Mythos prelude.

    Next are a pair of Black Label OHCs that really demonstrate the worth of the line and why it’s the strand of DC I’m most interested in.  Both are stories that could not be told in the way they are elsewhere.

    Suicide Squad: Get Joker

    This is a brilliantly bleak tale but also a very entertaining one as the squad are sent after Joker, with a couple of them having very personal reasons to off him.

    Azzarello is hit and miss for me, but here he’s in good form.  Maleev’s art is superb too.

    Joker / Harley: Criminal Sanity

    For anyone who liked Gotham Central, this is a must.  Rendering the Joker-Harley relationship as cat and mouse, criminal versus cop, is a very smart move.

    Add in a trio of artists with complimentary styles and a smart use of both black and white monochrome and full colour and it’s a both unique and great looking book.

    For all I can see why some found it inconclusive, I wouldn’t say it is.  There’s certainly enough fuel here for a second series but this one concludes well enough.

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  • #95573

    Suicide Squad: Get Joker This is a brilliantly bleak tale but also a very entertaining one as the squad are sent after Joker, with a couple of them having very personal reasons to off him. Azzarello is hit and miss for me, but here he’s in good form. Maleev’s art is superb too.

    Maleev? Sold!

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  • #95652

    There’s some new advance Marvel listings up on Amazon. Rich Rider: Nova omnibus, an omnibus of their old Planet of the Apes comics, a Carnage Epic Collection, a paperback edition of Donny Cates’s GotG run, Millar and Hitch FF omnibus (reprint?),  Planet Hulk Omnibus, T-Bolts omnibus v3, various Epic Collection reprints, a omnibus of Spider-Man Beyond. But most importantly, Namor Epic Collection v3(?) featuring the first appearance of Stingray. Get your orders in now, lads.

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  • #95655

    Millar and Hitch FF omnibus (reprint?)

    It was up on Amazon for pre-order in 2009, but never made it to solicitations.

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  • #95663

    This is an interesting one. It’s another of these gigantic Gallery Edition HCs, and I picked it up because (despite not being a huge X-Men fan in general) I’ve always quite liked GLMK as a quintessential mutant story that sort of sums up the whole franchise.

    And it still holds up well (albeit feeling a bit stiff and dated in places – mostly just because it’s of its time). The art in particular looks really good at this size.

    What I didn’t know, though, is that this edition – which is billed as an “extended cut” has new bookend scenes by the same creative team (which are pretty weak and don’t really add anything) but also features a couple of edits in light of modern sensibilities.

    Most notably, the redaction of this racial slur.

    And I can understand why – I doubt Marvel would ever dare publish a story like this with the word in today (and they made similar edits in the Miracleman reprints) – but it does kind of make that scene feel a bit toothless.

    There’s also a foreword by John Jennings which contains a fairly lengthy dissection of that scene and an explanation of why (despite the black character in that scene seeing Kitty’s point in the original story and saying she was right) Kitty was wrong to draw that comparison.

    (Which maybe kind of ignores Kitty’s Jewish heritage, but that’s something else altogether – albeit something that is addressed in GMLK via Magneto.)

    There’s also another small edit to language that Claremont highlights in his afterword – changing “chica” to “lady” in this scene.

    I didn’t realise that was offensive – to be honest it just registered as slightly clunky Claremont verbal characterisation. (I dread to think how much of his historical X-Men output might need to be similarly revised if there are these concerns about it!)

    Claremont talks about the edit in his afterword to this edition.

    Anyway, these oddities aside it’s a decent edition that also features a nice big interview with Claremont putting the book in historical perspective, as well as some nice art extras.

    But part of me does feel that it’s odd to reproduce a classic like this and then be apologetic that elements of it haven’t aged well.

    It feels a little bit George Lucas to me: I know that the recent omnibus reprints of this era of X-Men have reproduced the story intact as originally printed, so I assume this is a case of Claremont choosing to make the changes rather than having them pushed on him.

    I also wonder whether it’s a case of taking different approaches to books aimed at different audiences. This book is big but not hugely expensive and is the kind of thing that could probably find its way into the hands of more casual fans fairly easily. Whereas the omnibuses and masterworks HCs (that keep the scenes intact) are much more explicitly archival books for collectors, where there’s probably a bit more weight placed on reproducing the original comics as accurately as possible – and the audience for those expensive collections will likely already be aware of stuff like this and the historical context.

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  • #95666

    It’s interesting that Claremont says he thinks the use of the N word is still justifiable (and I’m not saying he’s right or wrong on that) yet it got censored anyway.

  • #95667

    It appears in a couple of other Claremont stories. Uncanny X-Men #196 and New Mutants #45, He uses the n-word with all the right intentions ( and every time from Kitty’s mouth, a different minority). It’s meant each time to hammer home a message of equality but I think sensibilities have changed and nobody will touch that word written or spoken from anyone not of colour.

    Alan Moore used it in Marvelman, again with a clear context of condemning it, but Marvel removed it in reprints.

    Personally I prefer the approach of giving the context of the time but I am not really anyone to make that call.

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  • #95668

    It’s interesting that Claremont says he thinks the use of the N word is still justifiable (and I’m not saying he’s right or wrong on that) yet it got censored anyway.

    I took it from that comment that he feels it’s a more arguable point than “chica”, but not necessarily that he opposes the change entirely.

    Also worth noting that this particular edition was being prepared for print immediately after the BLM protests of 2020 which may have made people take a fresh look at these aspects of the story.

  • #95674

    In the Mark Twain novel THE ADVENTURES OF HUCKLEBERRY FINN, the character Jim, the black slave that Huckleberry Finn traveled with in the book of the same name, is frequently referred to as “N***er Jim”. The book was published in 1884/85, when that word was in common usage, not just in the Southern US where much of the story place but (to a lesser but still large degree) throughout the rest of the country. Which creates the dilemma of whether contemporary re-issues of this historically significant book should keep the word intact, to maintain historic authenticity, or should it undergo editing/censoring to remove the offensive word.

    It’s a tough call; Charles Dickens wrote Fagin The Jew in OLIVER TWIST using anti-Semitic physical and moral/ethical stereotypes. Where do we draw the line?

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  • #95675

    It’s a tough call; Charles Dickens wrote Fagin The Jew in OLIVER TWIST using anti-Semitic physical and moral/ethical stereotypes. Where do we draw the line?

    l’d draw a clear distinction between books that are written from a racist point of view themselves – books that perpetuate those attitudes and stereotypes through the way that they’re written – and books like God Loves, Man Kills, which is about as clear and bold a statement against racism as superhero comics have ever made, but which (as part of that) depicts people voicing racist language to make a point about prejudice.

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  • #95680

    I’ve just re-read some Bryne FF issues with chants of N*****-lover in them and, wow, how did that get published? How did it get re-printed?

    Far less effective than Clairemont’s use (in my opinion)

  • #95681

    I was conflicted recently reading Flashman Takes The Charge, which is a pseudo-autobiographical historical novel set during the Crimean War, starring a sympathetic bastard and written in the 70s. There’s quite a few uses of the N word (along with various other racial epitaphs and stereotyping), usually casually than with direct spite. On the one hand, it fits the character (who you’re meant to grudgingly admire, I think, rather than love outright) and the attitudes of his time completely. One the other hand, it does feel somewhat gratuitous. Made for some uncomfortable passages.

    So I can see why Marvel would strike it out (but leave enough for you to know what it is).

  • #95908

    (along with various other racial epitaphs and stereotyping)

    Not to be that guy, but you mean epithets. An epitaph is what’s inscribed on a tombstone.

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  • #95913

    (along with various other racial epitaphs and stereotyping)

    Not to be that guy, but you mean epithets. An epitaph is what’s inscribed on a tombstone.

    You’re quite right. Although he is quite often talking about people who have just died horribly, so it almost works.

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  • #96200

    Dealer Alert

    Tom King Batman OHC6, a 3-trade collection, is going for £15.91 at BooksEtc

  • #96202

    I’m slightly losing faith in BooksEtc after I ordered the recent Brubaker Catwoman omnibus at a cheap price, then they hung around for two weeks before telling me they actually didn’t have any stock after all.

    With the way things are with the supply chain at the moment, I think I’d rather pay an extra couple of quid and know I’ll get what I ordered.

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  • #96203

    I’ve had it happen once or twice.  The way things are currently, SH or Blackwell’s will be very close in price.  Sometimes BooksEtc’s prices are too good not to give it a punt.

    For sheer speed, SpeedyHen live up to their name.

  • #96206

    Yeah Speedyhen are usually fast and reliable as well as decently priced. I have a lot of stuff on order with them.

    It’s increasingly becoming the case though that these bigger and more expensive books are in short supply (for understandable reasons), and even trying to get hold of them on release is tough.

  • #96214

    Yeah, some don’t even make it over here – think that happened on Batman No Man’s Land Omnibus 1.  But it’s very, very random as to which books get hit worst.

    Edit – Heh, I mention Batman No Man’s Land Omnibus 1 and it looks like it has had a reprint!  DC must have decided no one will buy volume 2 if they can’t get volume 1.

    BooksEtc have volume 1 for £52.78.  But volume 2 RRP has gone from £100 to £120, but SpeedyHen currently, as of time of posting, has it up for preorder for £57.99!

    Probably be out end of Aug / Sept.

  • #96834

    Recent reads:

    We Only Find Them When They’re Dead Volume 2

    Strange as it sounds, the recent news that this series concludes with #15 gives my confidence in it a boost.  As to this volume? It’s a very smart continuation.

    It also sticks with the very bold colour aesthetic of the opening volume and looks excellent.

    Nocterra Volume 2

    This is another good arc that builds neatly on the opener.  The concepts the story is built around work and it all looks good.

    Judge Dredd: The Citadel

    This suffers from a hyperbole loaded book blurb that the stories can’t deliver – and the book is better for it as you can appreciate the trio of stories for what they are.

    Which is a set of well-told tales of Mega-City One, past and present.

    Superman Vs Lobo OHC

    A nice, surprise OHC, this is a smart story with a subversive sense of humour.  Why hasn’t Lex Luthor been ragging on Superman via social media and Lex News? Seeley uses this to skewer social media’s tendency to render the perfect the enemy of the good enough.

    From there it only gets more absurd but in a very fun way.  Art is good too.

    ____________

    Away from reading, noticed this:

    New 52 Omnibus 2022 edition – RRP $175 / £140.  Best UK online price I’ve seen £70.56!

    Meanwhile the upcoming King in Black Omnibus from Marvel? RRP $150.  Now due April 2023 – Spiderman 2099 Omnibus 1 has gone up to RRP $150 too.

    What does this add up to for me? A very clear message of: Stop buying DC / Marvel Omnibuses.

    And I am getting through an exit strategy.  There’s currently only two on the hit list for the first quarter of 2023.

    Future ones expected are X-Factor Omnibus 3 – could go up to 4 or 5 in total, Devil’s Reign, A.X E.

    Marvel OHCs tend to be easier but seem to be lessening.  Might get Slott FF OHC4-5.  Maybe Zdarsky-Checchetto’s second Daredevil volume.

    They’re doing far more Omnibus editions than OHC.  In business terms I suppose it might add up, small increase in print costs versus able to charge 2-3 times more combined with a limited print run.

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  • #96857

    Definitely. I’m buying far fewer of these big books, not just because the publishers have got through most of their best material by now but also because the cost jumping from £45-ish to £65-ish over the last couple of years is a significant rise that makes them pretty unattractive to me. So it’ll just be the best stuff that I grab in omnibus now.

    Having said that, DC have put out a couple of recent volumes that I was keen to pick up so they are still out there.

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  • #96865

    I think having access to DC Infinite and Marvel Unlimited has broken the Omnibus habit for me too. It’s hard to justify spending that much money on a book with content that I already have at my fingertips. There are still a few that I’ll pick up, I’m sure. But I’m going to be far more selective going forwards.

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  • #96879

    They’re doing far more Omnibus editions than OHC.  In business terms I suppose it might add up, small increase in print costs versus able to charge 2-3 times more combined with a limited print run.

    I heard a retailer talking about it this week in response to a customer who said he hated 600+ page volumes because they were expensive and hard to read. (It was in reference to Sandman: Mystery Theatre being collected again in that format).

    He said the trend will probably continue because the major issue with smaller series of trades is the sales drop off with each volume. Lower print runs of bigger volumes are more likely to sell out and not leave unsold inventory.

    I have a little insight into this because Malaysia has a huge market in remainder books. We have one in Penang called BookXcess which takes up almost two entire floors of a shopping mall. I’ll add a picture to show I’m not exaggerating:

    They have one in Kuala Lumpur even bigger boasting a million books for sale:

    I know these exist to a smaller degree in places like the UK but asking around I was told the publishers prefer to send remaindered books (definition: books returned by bookshops because they didn’t sell) to Malaysia because it doesn’t cannibalise the full price market in the countries they are published – primarily the UK and USA – and the prices suit the overall lower income.

    Their graphic novel section is vast and it is rammed with primarily later volumes of Marvel, DC and Image softcover and OHC trades. There’s a shitload of this stuff that doesn’t sell and offloading it to somewhere like BookXcess to sell at 60% off cover price is a loss for the publisher but returns some of the outlay compared to pulping them.

    I know why fans can complain if a series is never fully collected etc but it’s visually very striking when you see 5,000 copies of unsold trades lined up on shelves. You will never see Watchmen, Saga or Sandman on those shelves. You’ll see a hell of a lot of things like volume 4 of Aquaman: Rebirth or some iteration of Venom or Runaways. Next time I’m there I’ll take a couple of photos to share the ‘hall of shame’ of books nobody bought.

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  • #96880

    I know these exist to a smaller degree in places like the UK

    I still miss the one that was in Cheltenham for a while. Glorious shopping experience. That whole chain’s gone now, I think.

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  • #96884

    Yeah the thing you can see with them is maybe 80% that these are books that just weren’t very popular. However the other 20% points more to shops in the UK and US that were shitty at ordering.

    There are some very popular authors and books that show up (including the likes of JK Rowling and Stephen King or Nelson Mandela’s autobiography) where you can see the reason they got returned was not nobody liked them but some bookshops thought they could sell 300 copies but the demand was more around 200.

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  • #96885

    There are a few UK remainder sellers on Ebay. I’ve found a few x-men OHCs on them (and some Y Last Man / Scalped HC). Good reminder that I need to take a look for any Hickman era OHC I don’t have.

    As for Sandman Mystery Theatre – anything that would get the series printed would be good. I’d like the same format as the Starman / Y / ex-machina / Scalped Oversized HCs – but I’ll take what I can get :)

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  • #97287

    Ghost Cage

    East of West was great but whatever happened to that Dragotta fella on the art? He went and did this rather neat three issue miniseries, co-writing and drawing it.

    It’s also one that sees him experiment with a black and white art, with some anime / manga influences.

    By opting for larger individual chapters, the story flows quite differently to standard 22-24 page comics.  Each chapter gas time to breath, it isn’t as compressed.

    And the story itself? In sone ways it reads very similar to a 2000AD tale.  A wry sense of satire, a messed future and an arsehole authority figure.  But what really sells it are the ither characters and the Sam-Doyle friendship.

    Well worth looking at.

  • #97470

    Reading the the Alan Moore Lovecraft books – Courtyard, Neonomicon, Providence. It’s been good stuff. Providence is taking a bit of time to read as there is a lot of text at the end of each chapter but it feels worthwhile reading it.

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  • #97502

    Reading the the Alan Moore Lovecraft books – Courtyard, Neonomicon, Providence. It’s been good stuff. Providence is taking a bit of time to read as there is a lot of text at the end of each chapter but it feels worthwhile reading it.

    Definitely. The commonplace book entries initially seem like they overlap a lot with the comic sections but they end up providing a lot of important material that isn’t shown in the comic story, not only connective tissue between chapters but also background information and insights into Robert’s frame of mind (which changes as the book goes on).

    Really I think Providence is a masterpiece and one of Moore’s best books, but it is incredibly dense and so is worth taking at a slow pace to get the most out of it.

    Also Bruce, I don’t know how much of a Lovecraft fan you are but my knowledge was fairly patchy, so I greatly appreciated the notes for each issue at the Facts In the Case blog, which explained a lot of the allusions and connections for me and really enriched the reading experience.

    It starts from issue #1 here:

    Providence 1

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  • #97505

    I’ve read quite a bit of Lovecraft over the years so have a half decent knowledge of the mythos. I definitely feel it’s helped. I searched for annotations to clear a couple of things up so that website will be useful. I’m going to read through without and, on a future reading, I’ll go through it reading the annotations simultaneously. I’ve done that in the past with League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and From Hell and while it both were rewarding endeavours it did have an impact on the pace and flow of the books.

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  • #97511

    That’s true – maybe the kind of thing that is best suited to a reread rather than a first read.

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  • #97640

    I’ll agree Providence is a masterpiece, and I think it’s important to acknowledge Jacen Burrows’ work on it. Crucial to making it work was getting the look of things just enough “off” that you could see things were wrong but could also see why the protagonist would overlook it, at least in the early chapters. A very fine line, that I think a lot of lesser artists would have stepped over. I don’t really know Burrows’ work other than this project, but he impressed me immensely. I think he was as important to this book as, e.g., Gibbons was to Watchmen.

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  • #97644

    Definitely, Burrows’ work is great and a big part of why the book works. (I especially like some of the creepy stuff he does with repeated/resized panels in The Courtyard, which is quite subtle but unsettling.)

    Some of the dream stuff in Providence really got under my skin to the extent I had disturbed dreams about it myself – a sure sign that a book has got under your skin!

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  • #97650

    Some of the dream stuff in Providence really got under my skin to the extent I had disturbed dreams about it myself

    That’s very interesting, because so did I. I was reading it in bed each night, and I think it was a bad idea. Books almost never affect me in that way, though.

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  • #97651

    Same, it’s unusual for my subconscious mind to be preoccupied with a book like that.

    Maybe Moore really is magical after all.

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  • #97655

    I had disturbed dreams about it

    so did I

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  • #97662

    It’s genuinely a very disturbing book, I can be third to say it carried over into dreams.

    Normally I don’t like Jacen Burrows much, he’s the best of the Avatar house style artists but I find his work stiff and undynamic. However for Providence that works out to be pretty much a perfect match. That eerie atmosphere is a lot about everything being slow and still and the horror is just to the side of everything.

    I really wish someone other than Avatar has published it, I think far too few people have read this book because of their amateurish setup and yeah it is a bit of a masterpiece.

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  • #97674

    Ok then, sold.

    SpeedyHen still have copies and when this one is gone, it’s really gone.

    Been a while since the Trades thread sold me a book.

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  • #97675

    The funny thing is Moore said he took the gig to get some cashflow to pay off a tax bill (because he was writing his epic Jerusalem novel at the time, writing over 1000 page novels for several years is not good for cashflow).

    I mean he could have written 6 issues of Batman and trousered a fortune but his ‘cash grab’ work was writing one of the best comics of his career.

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  • #97678

    Dealer Alert

    SpeedyHen preorder now active:

    American Vampire Omnibus 2 – £47.23

  • #97686

    Liam Sharp just tweeted that there’ll be an OHC edition of Starhenge via Image, not Kickstarter.

    With how great his art in Batman: Reptilian was I will grab this as soon as I can next year.

  • #97703

    The World of Black Hammer Library Edition Volume 5 Hardcover – April 25 2023
    Collecting Black Hammer: Visions #1-8

    The Sandman Universe: Nightmare Country Vol. 1 Hardcover – April 4 2023
    collects The Sandman Universe: Nightmare Country #1-6.

    The Sandman Mystery Theatre Compendium One Paperback – March 21 2023
    not to much info, says print length is ‘1000 pages’

    I missed these the first time around. looking forward to it (never read)
    Avengers By Jonathan Hickman Omnibus Vol. 2 Hardcover – Feb. 21 2023
    first one comes Dec. 27th

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  • #97707

    Oh, Nightmare Country has become hardback, thought it was paperback.

    Good to see Black Hammer continuing in Library format.

  • #97711

    Oh, Nightmare Country has become hardback, thought it was paperback.

    It’s a DC trade, you won’t know for sure until you hold it in your hands.

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  • #97712

    Ah yes.  ‘Tis DC.

    Edit – Blackwells are offering it for £12.10.  Looks a good bet to order now given where prices might be by next April.

  • #97745

    I’ve decided to do a big reread of the Giffen/Abnett/Lanning Marvel cosmic cycle, but expand it a bit and read some more recent GotG runs too.

    So I’ve started with the Star Lord:  Guardian of the Galaxy trade, which has been an education. First off, I could have sworn I’d read (well, skimmed) Star Lord’s origin story before. 70s, Claremont and Byrne, full colour, heavy on Spartax stuff. But nope, first issue and first appearance of Star Lord is some astrology heavy bit of junk by Steve Englehart. Very firmly outside the main MU too, set in the future.

    Claremont and Byrne do the next story though, which has a remarkable editorial thing at the head of it, that essentially says “Englehart’s the only one who understood the astrology stuff and he’s gone, so we’ve junked it, also we thought we might have Peter be likeable”. Which he really wasn’t in the first story. Just an absolute asshat.

    This second story is the one I vaguely recall, though where I saw it and (and why/how it was coloured) I don’t know. It’s better, but it has some of Claremont’s less palatable quirks, with the slightly icky relationship between Peter and “Ship” as well as Ship’s vaguely Irish accent. Also, Ship appears with no explanation and I don’t get why she doesn’t have a name.

    For all the lovely peak-Byrne art, it’s only ok. Claremont does a couple more stories with Carmine Infantino, which are also ok before the character gets kicked around and ends up with Doug Monech. He doesn’t tell particularly interesting stories and (rather pettily) goes out of his way to belittle Quill’s desire not to kill, which I’m sure made him feel like a real galaxy brain, but just reads as juvenile and cynical, to be honest.

    The volume is rounded out with the Timothy Zahn mini from the 90s, which has someone else become Star Lord.

    Overall, it’s all kind of underwhelming. Most of these stories come from Marvel’s “premium” b&e genre mags of the 70s, which I find tend to be pretentious more than anything. That they’re all so pleased with themselves for making “art” that they lose any sense of fun, which Star Lord is desperately in need of.

    It’s surprising how disconnected all this is from what I know of the character (which is his appearances in Annihilation onwards).  None of this is in continuity, it turns out and has been recently retconned (except it’s not really retcons when they’re replacing non-con) seemingly only when someone realised most of this doesn’t work in the MU and they could just shove all the MCU ideas in there instead. And it’s hard to be down on that because so much of this is clunky. Peter dedicating his life to becoming a NASA astronaut to get revenge on the aliens that killed his mum isn’t as punchy as him just quickly getting into space. The whole Master of the Sun thing is pretty limp (and then furthered ruined by Moench retconning it). None of the stories are particularly amazing, so no great losses to the character’s history. And “Ship” is just a bit weird (she was a sentient sun, apparently). Next to fuck all is done with Peter’s Spartax heritage, which really makes you wonder what the point was of it.

    The main thing I was expecting was something that would explain what happened between Peter and “Ship” that they split up and he’s avoiding her in Annihilation. I assumed it was some decades long dangling plot thread or somesuch. Turns out that’s actually stuff in Giffen’s Thanos series from just before Annihilation, so I guess that’s next on my list.

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  • #97781

    Dealer Alert

    Now going at BooksEtc:

    Battle Action Garth Ennis HC – £12.92

  • #97797

    Superman: Space Age
    Hardcover, 264 pgs. – May 2nd 2023

    Looking forward to this!

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  • #97799

    Lot of other DC stuff:

    Feb 2023

    The Joker HC3

    Batman: One Bad Day – Riddler HC

    Aquaman: Andromeda HC

    March 2023

    Superman / Batman: World’s Finest HC1

    Batman Zdarsky HC1

    Naomi Season Two HC

    Batman: One Bad Day – Two-Face HC

    April 2023

    Nightwing HC3

    Batman Who Laughs Deluxe

    Detective Comics HC4 Tamaki

    Batman: One Bad Day – Penguin HC

    Who Is Wonder Woman Deluxe – Maybe it’ll come out this time.

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  • #97804

    Annoying that DC have chosen to do individual hardcover for all the One Bad Day books, instead of a single collection. I could have been tempted by an omnibus where I have little interest in some chapters. Oh well. This is why I have DC Infinite.

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  • #97805

    Their pricing them reasonably smartly with RRP of £14.99, which I should be able to bag for £8-9, possibly a little less.

    …Well, I say that now but who knows what prices we’ll be looking by Feb 2023?

  • #97806

    Wait, so each issue that’s coming out as a softcover is then going to get a separate HC later down the line? Bizarre.

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  • #97807

    Yep.

    Thing is there are some creator combinations that would sell them.  If you can get a book version for a couple of quid more, a good few people would go for it.

  • #97816

    !? My copy of the Pulp OHC is on its way – all hail SpeedyHen!

    Hopefully this means they’ve got their stock in of Echolands Volume 1.

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  • #97827

    !? My copy of the Pulp OHC is on its way – all hail SpeedyHen!

    Same. Looking forward to this one.

    Hopefully this means they’ve got their stock in of Echolands Volume 1.

    Ditto!

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  • #97828

    With Brubaker saying it had had a low print run, I was wondering if they’d be successful on this one.

  • #97831

    With Brubaker saying it had had a low print run, I was wondering if they’d be successful on this one.

    I think that’s partly just a way of getting people to buy the book rather than wait on the decision. But yes, good to have it in hand either way.

  • #97835

    While you could read it as a marketing move, I think it’s more than just that.

    It’s known OHCs aren’t cheap to print and this is more of a niche item.  Add in the last couple of years of Covid causing merry hell for retailers and everyone else….

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  • #97838

    I think that’s partly just a way of getting people to buy the book rather than wait on the decision. But yes, good to have it in hand either way.

    Midtown Comics confirmed I’ll be getting mine on Wednesday. :yahoo:

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  • #97909

    Just received my copy of the Pulp Process Edition.

    Looks like a fantastic book, particularly for any fans of Brubaker & Phillips. Lovingly designed and full of great behind-the-scenes information and process stuff, which is the kind of thing I love.

    Looking forward to getting the chance to pore over the details at length.

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  • #97911

    Yep, happy I bought this now.  It’s a good looking volume.

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  • #97945

    Shaolin Cowboy: Cruel to Be Kin Hardcover – April 25 2023

    Amazon.com, Amazon.ca
    Don’t see at Australia or the UK, yet

    In order to keep a newborn Komodo dragon from joining the endangered species list, the Shaolin Cowboy must first make him an orphan and then adopt him into the ways of the “Intercepting fist” to keep their road trip from turning into roadkill.

    When social distancing isn’t enough, the Cowboy has plenty of booster shots and jabs to keep a new army of foes, both new and old, from turning the situation from ugly, to bad, and no good.

    “If Sergio Leone, Tsui Hark, Stephen Chow, and Sam Raimi could somehow have a child together and then disavow it, this book would be it…maybe.”—Geof Darrow

    Collects Shaolin Cowboy: Cruel to be Kin #1–#7.

    Print length 224 pages
    Language English
    Publisher Dark Horse Books
    Publication date April 25 2023
    ISBN-10 1506729207
    ISBN-13 978-1506729206

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  • #97947

    I’m reading that one in singles and it’s as batshit insane as ever, with artwork that’s as crazily detailed as you’d expect.

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  • #97948

    Oh yes! Good spot Sean.

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  • #97950

    This is interesting in Amazon fishing: Spider-Gwen “modern era epic collection”.

     

    The Epic Collections (ignoring the licensed ones) haven’t gone past the late 90s for anything yet, with Daredevil and Deadpool going the furtherest, I think. There seems to be the unwritten rule that they go up to either Heroes Reborn or Marvel Knights. So a “modern era” one opens up a lot of other possibilities.

  • #97985

    Hopefully this means they’ve got their stock in of Echolands Volume 1.

    So I got an email from SH today telling me that my order of Echolands had expired (because of their excellent system that deletes your payment data regularly) and I needed to replace it.

    I said that was fine as long as they could tell me how to place a new order at the old price (as I ordered it with the £5 discount voucher a couple of months back) and they just flat-out refused to honour the old price and said I had to place a new order at full price.

    It may be time to start shopping elsewhere…

  • #97987

    That sucks as previously they had done this.

    Thing is though – on Image OHCs, SH have been cleaning up while BooksEtc have really gone up in their prices.  So they are likely to still have the best price even without that extra reduction.  For a couple of hundred pages of JHW3 art, I might pay a bit more to get it without this kind of faffing around.

    Blackwells have been best on Image paperbacks though.

    Edit – Looks like the Hellboy duo I had preordered are going to bump to 29 Sept :( . So scrap that order too.

    While the price for each has gone up to RRP £22.99, BooksEtc has just got the latest Blacksad for £11.75! So might be the best alternative, with the trick being to get in at the start, just as they get stock.

  • #97988

    Yeah I might switch to BooksEtc once they have stock. I already read it in singles so I’m not in a rush for this one.

  • #97989

    Do you recommend it?

  • #97991

    I loved the art and it’s worth getting for that alone. The story is ambitious and its reach sometimes exceeds its grasp, but it’s a very fun mix of styles and ideas that ties into a central adventure story that really gives JHW3 the chance to show off what he’s best at.

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  • #97993

    Sounds cool.

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  • #98009

    BooksEtc has just got the latest Blacksad for £11.75!

    How recently was that? I’ve just had a look now and it’s out of stock (and weirdly has different RRPs between the new and old versions of the site).

  • #98013

    weirdly has different RRPs between the new and old versions of the site

    BooksEtc’s move to a new site does not seem to have been a roaring success. Keeping both versions running simultaneously with different prices and stock is especially baffling.

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  • #98027

    I’m still using the old BooksEtc site because the new one is an image-heavy, pain in the arse to even try to use.

    Hadn’t realised there was a difference in price and stock too.  Will try booting up the new site vis Edge on the XBX as that might be able to handle it.  My other devices it overloads.

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  • #98031

    Speedyhen have redeemed themselves by responding to my email querying their refusal to honour the original price, and sending me another £5-off voucher. So they’re back in my good books again.

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  • #98049

    weirdly has different RRPs between the new and old versions of the site

    BooksEtc’s move to a new site does not seem to have been a roaring success. Keeping both versions running simultaneously with different prices and stock is especially baffling.

    Yeah, I didn’t see anything wrong with their old site really and the new one still doesn’t seem to work properly. I did a search for something else while checking it earlier and it couldn’t even load up the search results page because it was bogged down by whatever widget they’re using to display images never loading.

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  • #98050

    Not even an XBX via Edge can easily load BooksEtc’s new site.

    It’s only substantive difference is wishlist ability, but is that worth the other aggro of it? I don’t think so.

  • #98083

    I had another look this morning and the new Blacksad was available again for £11.75, so snagged that.

    Also, the final volume of Young Justice is only £19 something on Hive at the moment. Out in November.

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  • #98085

    The thing with the BooksEtc co.uk site is there is a real “right place, right time” aspect to it.

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  • #98086

    https://media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/diamond/STL214/STL214847.jpg
    This was delivered today. I ordered the hardcover edition, although there is a cheaper paperback edition available too. It’s a sturdy, well made book, although sadly not in oversized format.

    The contents are pretty terrible, by today’s standards. It’s peak 1990’s bollocks. But, Silvestri’s artwork is gorgeous and that’s the main (only?) attraction.

    I was going to back this on Kickstarter last year, but the cost plus shipping would have cost me somewhere in the region of £100. I got this for just over £23, from Speedyhen with the recent discount code. I missed out on the exclusive signed dust jacket, but overall I’m definitely glad that I waited.

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  • #98088

    Not oversized but with a price that suggests it is, really don’t like companies doing that.

  • #98097

    To be fair, when they announced that the hardcover would be coming out simultaneously with the trade paperback, I kind of surmised that they would basically be the exact same book under the covers. I wasn’t wrong.

    The other thing that’s weird is that they have reprinted the books in publication date order. For the most part that’s fine, but at the end of the book it goes massively off the rails. Each issue of the 3 part Claremont/ Silvestri story arc is broken up with random other stories that have absolutely nothing to do with it. Very peculiar editorial choice.

  • #98098

    It’s peak 1990’s bollocks.

    Quote for the dustjacket.

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  • #98115

    But, to be fair, you know exactly what that means, don’t you? 😉

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  • #98116

    There is that nostalgia element with comics where some can take that as an endorsement. Art aside you know it’s pretty awful but there’s also an energy to it I think some people miss.

    That’s not me massively I have to say, just a small change in age can make a big difference, I was around 19/20 at the height of the ’90s bollocks’ era rather than 12 and it turned me away from those books. I didn’t buy any of the Image launch books, and picked up Spawn only when McFarlane hired Alan Moore for an issue.

    I always liked the artwork though, 80s US comics had some great artists but it was very conservative, most kept to a John Romita Snr template. I was used to reading 2000ad where styles were radically different strip to strip and some of that energy bled through to that era until editor started telling every artist to ape Jim Lee.

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  • #98117

    But, to be fair, you know exactly what that means, don’t you? 😉

    Definitely. I came to a lot of the 90s US stuff almost a decade late, it was in the early 2000s when I was working through a lot of it, but even though I didn’t experience it in real-time I still have a fair amount of nostalgia for some of it, certain artists and characters.

    Not this though. :rose:

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  • #98119

    The Absolute Jim Lee WildC.A.T.s is probably the most Image 90s style book I have.

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  • #98120

    Exactly! That’s another great example of the sub-genre. I’ve got that, this Cyberforce book, the recent Gen13 Deluxe Edition and the three Spawn Compendiums. All deeply, deeply terrible books, but I love them.

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  • #98121

    Well, not entirely terrible Alan Moore wrote some of those issues.

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  • #98122

    Even Alan would say that’s far from his best work 😂

    They do also have some Claremont, Miller, Gaiman and Morrison issues sprinkled within too. When those Image guys brought in proper writers (rather than siblings, friends, or random homeless persons) for an issue or two, they weren’t exactly shy about calling in the “big guns”.

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  • #98123

    True, but I reckon Absolute Top Ten would be in with a shot at it.

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  • #98125

    Not everything published in the 1990’s was shite 👍🏼

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  • #98126

    and the three Spawn Compendiums.

    Now you’re talking my language.

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  • #98333

    Just noticed this, a Black Hammer OGN – being published in the same size as the Library Editions:

    https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/Colonel-Weird-and-Little-Andromeda-From-the-World-of-Black-Hammer-by-Lemire-Jeff/9781506733821

    Currently due March 2023.

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  • #98431

    A big bit of X-Omnibus news just dropped:

    Uncanny X-Men Omnibus 5 due June 2023.

    The significance of this is that, when placed with the others – and this is the full list:

    Uncanny X-Men 1-4

    Excalibur 1-2

    New Mutants 1-2

    Wolverine 1

    Murant Massacre

    Inferno Prelude + Inferno

    X-Men 1-2

    This is the last piece of Claremont’s X-epic. In total? 14 Omnibuses!

    I’ll be buying less Omnis next year but this will be on the list.

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  • #98451

    Looking forward to it. Hopefully they’ll update the contents a bit before it comes out, or Uncanny X-Men Annual 10 remains uncollected. I know it’s in one of the New Mutant books, but it seems strange not to have it in the Uncanny omnibus series.

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  • #98452

    Oh, I got my copy of Blacksad: All Fall Down pt 1 yesterday from Books Etc. No idea when I’m going to read it though, as I’m in a big Cosmic Marvel re-read.

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