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Are you tired of reading comics in short, monthly instalments?

Do you yearn for nice, smart books with spines, dustjackets and no ads?

Are you willing to pay ridiculously inflated prices for hardcover reprints of comics you already own in three different editions, just because the page size in the new version is ½” bigger?

Then this is the thread for you!

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  • #89740

    I thought the same but I suspect they are doing this:

    – Volume 1

    – Fear State

    – Volume 2

    Complicated but very DC.

  • #89776

    War of the Realms Omnibus

    Been ages since I read a big Marvel event book.  Had previously read the main series but only that.  This? Makes for more satisfying read, with the fuller treatment delivering a far better pay off to Aaron’s run.  It is especially so for Malekith’s fate which, in the main series, is very curtailed.

    At the same time this does make an effective case for a split, dual Omnibus structure of main event + core tie-ins and a Companion volume.  Nor did the various tie-ins and miniseries tap the potential of the event to the full.

    Not cheap, but the far superior presentation of the main story justifies the price for me.

  • #89797

    Dealer Alert

    SpeedyHen code – £5 off order of +£25.

    ENJOY

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  • #89804

    Anyone used this website before?

    https://www.totalcards.net/

    They’re got the next Dredd Complete Case Files for a good bit cheaper than anyone else. Not “too good to be true” but still cheap enough to make me a bit suspicious. Trustpiolt reviews look ok but figured worthwhile asking if anyone has first hand experience with them.

  • #89807

    Sorry nope, haven’t used them.  Weird site – either doesn’t have or has a very well hidden search tool.

  • #89808

    They came up via the Google “shopping” tab which makes me hope theyvare the real deal. I’ve gone ahead and preordered the book with them. I got loyalty points for signing up for their news letter so that covered the P&P. I’ll be sure to report back on my experience when/if they fulfil the order.

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  • #89884

    Waterstones now holds blackwells (as well as foyles). Will the online stores/prices get levelled?

     

    https://www.ft.com/content/7a44695f-9fde-4a29-9564-f0cf01524165

  • #89885

    Well, shit. I hope not.

  • #89889

    Sounds like Blackwells will continue to operate as they are, let’s hope so.

    Meanwhile, a couple of comics masterclasses:

    Usagi Yojimbo: Volume 3: Tengu War

    This is exactly what you expect – anthromorphic samurai stories, perfectly executed.

    Reckless: Ghost of You

    This is another excellent take from one of the best creative partnerships in comics.

    It’s interesting how this kind of tale needs to be set in past to work as it does.  It couldn’t be the same in a world of mobiles and internet.

  • #89904

    Near Mint Condition don’t have a set release date for it but Excalibur Omnibus 1 is getting a reprint.

  • #89906

    Reckless: Ghost of You
    This is another excellent take from one of the best creative partnerships in comics.
    It’s interesting how this kind of tale needs to be set in past to work as it does.  It couldn’t be the same in a world of mobiles and internet.

    I was thinking about this over the weekend, how much of the Brubaker/Phillips work takes place prior to the 21st century (Criminal, Fatale, Fadeout, Pulp). They probably realize that modern communications and technology don’t mesh well with “noir”.

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  • #89938

    Nice House on the Lake Vol. 1 TP was enjoyable af.
    Didn’t know a damned thing going in but that worked in my favor.
    Couldn’t talk about anything as I hate to spoil and would take me too long too avoid things.
    Add me to the other people that like and if you trust them, this is a future purchase to you.
    There’s never a guarantee you’ll get a deluxe edition, but this is worthy.
    Pretty sure this is a 12 issue finite story, and hoping he sticks the landing.

    Department of Truth Vol. 2 TP was as enjoyable as the first.
    A little disappointing to hear some of you say it takes a dip soon of at least one or more issues, so I’ll prepare myself for that in the 3rd TP.
    Ah, I see that the first is 1-5, and this second one is 8-12. 3rd is #6-7, 14-17

    Something is Killing the Children Deluxe Edition.
    More Tynion, and this guy is pretty damned good.
    Read this on a recent trip at a cabin. Can’t get comfortable downstairs for reading with people around, so upstairs in my bed, bottom of a bunk bed.
    I like these Deluxe Editions for a lot of reasons, but honestly need to be read in a perfect chair (even then Tynion seems to love the use of two pages, so some things will have problems in the middle as I’m scared I’ll crack the spine). TP’s read easier and not as worried to take on a trip.
    Having said that, I really enjoyed that. Just short of saying I loved it, buy that is pretty damned good when you consider 15 issues and you do get a complete story (of an ongoing).
    Looking forward to more.

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  • #89951

    The third TPB of Department of Truth is a completely “Times Past” kind of deal. A collection of stand-alone one offs set in the past, featuring occasional characters from the present day storyline and dropping a few clues here & there of back story. Some of them are entertaining, some are pretty bad. I’d almost recommend you just skip to Vol 4 to be honest, where the main story starts again.

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  • #90334

    Dealer Alert

    SpeedyHen code – £5 off order of +£25.

    ENJOY

    I just found out you can use this multiple times for separate purchases.

    This is… dangerous.

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  • #90337

    Oh…. I will have to give it a try.

  • #90355

    I might have bought five separate books after finding out.

  • #90358

    This post just cost me £31 🤨

     

    Thanks 👍

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  • #90504

    Well, due to that SpeedyHen code that’s the bulk of May and June’s trades ordered!

    Recent reads:

    Proteus Vex: Another Dawn

    This was a bonkers read in the best way possible.

    It manages to construct a world that feels alien.  At the same time it has the density and economy of narrative that 2000AD is known for and lots of ambition.

    Time Before Time: Volume 2

    As a general rule, time travel stories are messy and this is no different.  But it builds well on the fresh perspective that the first volume established.

    Locke and Key: The Golden Age

    This has some one-shots and the inspired crossover with Sandman.

    That story is a lot of fun, despite Mary Locke being a walking stereotype.  It fits in very neatly into the Sandman mythos but works independently of whatever the reader knows of it.

    Rodriguez’ art is superb across the set of stories too.

  • #90523

    Avengers West Coast epic collection: Vision Quest

    This… is not particularly good. It starts with the tail end of Steve Englehart’s run and it’s fair to say he got screwed over by Marvel. He was clearly setting up for longer storylines by bringing Mantis back, among other things, and then has to tidy her away in one issue. He doesn’t even get to wrap up the rest of his threads, as Tom DeFalco comes over and does it for him. Khonshu randomly stops bothering to possess Moon Knight, who just ups and leaves. The Phantom Rider stuff is swept aside. It’s very reminiscent of what DeFalco did when he took over Fantastic Four after Simonson. Mind you, most of what I could remember about Englehart’s plots was from the last but one volume, not the previous, so maybe DeFalco and Howard Mackie had a point. Maybe.

    And then buckle up, kids, because here’s John Byrne to explain why everything you like is wrong. I’ve read the last issue of this arc before, in the previous Darker Than Scarlet collection (now the name of the next epic collection which has the bulk of it) and it is not improved for having the preceding ones. Very typical haughty Byrne, as he spends loads of time just undoing previous stories in the most “well ackshully” manner. I mean, having the Vision turn out to not be made from the original Human Torch is fair enough, but Byrne makes such a bloody meal of it and can’t help but throw in lines about “well the Torch is an artificial human but the Vision is just an android” (or maybe the other way around – the distinction seems so arbitrary to be pointless to me) so how could anyone possibly confuse them. Making the Vision a bland (in both visuals and personality) automaton really seems to completely miss the point of the character. His whole deal has always been that, despite being artificial, he’s essentially human. Byrne just craps all over that and to what benefit. He’s made Vision less interesting.

    And the annoying thing is that in all the time he spends doing this and erasing Wanda’s kids, he doesn’t actually get around to telling any good stories. He’s bizarrely terrible at juggling sub-plots especially. In his first issue, he sets up Tigra randomly becoming more feral. He drips that across a few issues, has Pym shrink her down to defend himself and then… doesn’t mention it again for several issues. One of the team is miniature and crazy, how are the rest of them just ignoring that?! USAgent is forced onto the team by the government and does next to sod all. Hank and Jan are suddenly acting like a couple again with no build up (and no mention of Hank’s recently recovered, mutated first wife – apparently that Englehart plot was swept away in Solo Avengers). It’s really frustrating.

    Perhaps the most interesting thing here is that you can see Byrne’s art really go to shit here. When he comes on the book, he’s not at his X-Men level of quality (perhaps might be if inked by Terry Austin), but it’s perfectly decent, if slightly let down by the inking. And then, across the first ten issues, it all really deteriorates into the scratchy mess that his art has been since. I don’t know if it was for speed or because he didn’t think it worth doing anything better given the inking or because he was trying to match the emerging Image style of Lee and Liefeld, but by the end of this volume, his art’s dreadful.

    Actually, the other interesting element of this is seeing the roots of plot elements for WandaVision, which did them much better.

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  • #90589

    Latest Humble Bundle is an early days of Image Comics set.

    https://www.humblebundle.com/books/image-comics-30th-anniversary-90s-books

    As someone who has nil nostalgia for these books am I likely to enjoy them or will I find them to just be poorly dated?

    I picked up the other comics bundle – the Terry Moore one – without too much deliberation as I very much enjoyed his Rachel Rising.

  • #90596

    When he comes on the book, he’s not at his X-Men level of quality (perhaps might be if inked by Terry Austin), but it’s perfectly decent, if slightly let down by the inking. And then, across the first ten issues, it all really deteriorates into the scratchy mess that his art has been since. I don’t know if it was for speed or because he didn’t think it worth doing anything better given the inking or because he was trying to match the emerging Image style of Lee and Liefeld, but by the end of this volume, his art’s dreadful.

    There was a definite decline in Byrne’s artwork as he went into the 90s. I remember dropping his Wonder Woman run as the art was very sketchy and backgrounds and even the writing was a long way off his best, I think most people forget that run ever happened, a stark contrast to his early to mid 80s work.

    I would quibble ‘ever since’ though as he did some stuff on Angel for IDW about 10 years back and the previews showed a return to being tight and detailed. Maybe as his ‘name status’ had dwindled he had to make a bit more effort.

  • #90597

    I would quibble ‘ever since’ though as he did some stuff on Angel for IDW about 10 years back and the previews showed a return to being tight and detailed.

    I’d love to be proved wrong on that. I think the most recent Byrne stuff I’ve read was All New Atom, which was still messy. Maybe something else since then too.

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  • #90610

    Rachel rising was good, and SiP was great back in the day… I’m tempted to get it as I’ve not got the old books any more… how big are the PDFs?
    One manga humble bundle, the file sizes were ridiculously huge and I asked for money back

     

  • #90611

    And looking at the Image humble bundle… meh. I’d just go and buy the single Astro-city collection and have a shower.

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  • #90632

    I’d love to be proved wrong on that. I think the most recent Byrne stuff I’ve read was All New Atom, which was still messy. Maybe something else since then too.

    This is an example of the Angel stuff. A level of detail and tightness I hadn’t seen since his 80s peak.

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  • #90644

    how big are the PDFs?

    Pretty big. The trades are about 200 to 500 MB. There are a couple art books and the are about 1GB each too.

  • #90646

    The Image bundles. I think the best thing on there is Astro City and that’s just one volume in the highest price one.

    The first Spawn volume is in the $1 bracket and that includes the Alan Moore, Frank Miller, Dave Sim and Neil Gaiman stories, so if you haven’t read them you can’t go wrong for about 80p.

    As much as I’m a big Ennis fan I think The Darkness is one of his lesser works and quite forgettable.

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  • #90648

    Thanks for advice folks. I might take a stab at Spawn at that low price point. I was tempted by The Darkness as I really enjoyed the two video games that were based on it. Looking at the preview tho the art looks ugly as fuck.

  • #90681

    I actually just bought the first two Spawn Compendiums (containing #1 – 100) so this Humble Bundle came a few weeks too late for me. I have read a bunch of this stuff before. They’re okay, but much like McFarlane’s Spider-Man, they can be a bit of a slog to read, whilst looking absolutely fantastic.

    I already have Witchblade and The Darkness from an earlier Bundle. They’re alright. Some fun stuff from Ennis, and nice art from Turner and Silvestri, but quite a bit of dross too.

    Astro City is wonderful. Genuinely. But buy the great Metro Book edition that just came out instead.

    That leaves the first 100 issues or so of Savage Dragon. I’m sort of tempted to buy it just for this. But I find I like the idea of Savage Dragon and Erik Larsen more than I like the finished product. I struggle to read more than a handful of issues at a time. I do keep coming back to it though, and 100+ issues in colour for £20 is cracking value.

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  • #90696

    Astro City is wonderful. Genuinely. But buy the great Metro Book edition that just came out instead.

    Still waiting for deluxe hardcover omnibuses…

    But every time I see something like the Metro Book edition, I think that’s less and less likely to happen.

  • #90698

    Busiek said in the recent one-shot that hardcover omnibii are planned.

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  • #90770

    Parker: Volume 2: Last Call – Martini Edition

    For a long time I thought this might not come out, it kept getting so severely bumped.

    Now it is and it is a top quality volume.

    It is also very much a celebration of Darwyn Cooke’s work and life.

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  • #90773

    Oh, I’ll have to grab that. Isn’t there a new Brubaker and Phillips story in there too?

  • #90776

    Yep.  Plus loads of other extras.  It’s a very special volume.

    A good price for it is £46 but you could nab it for £41-42 with the ENJOY code on SpeedyHen.

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  • #90889

    Venom OHC1 / Absolute Carnage OHC

    Practically one sustained story, this double bill works very well.

    The first six issues is Cates setting up a new status quo while introducing the reader to the character.  It’s a good mix.

    Where the event collection works is in its focus.  War of the Realms suffered from being too dispersed.  It was this big global story but felt a bit disconnected in its pieces due to that.  In contrast, this one is far more cohesive.

    Will, if I can get it at a decent price, nab the upcoming omnibus for King in Black.

  • #91013

    I finally picked up the fourth and final OHC of Revival recently and so re-read the whole series and then that today.

    It holds up really well over all. The third volume suffers a bit from a jarring acceleration of the plot in the middle, but the fourth stays on track as everything starts to dissolve into shit (for the characters, I mean).

    Although Em’s reaction to meeting the Amish ninja assassin perfectly mirrored my own to her introduction.

    7FADEBD2-2CEE-4FD0-BC99-92DC923D9E87

    But it’s a pretty cool character in the end, if it does feel a bit like they’ve been shipped in from a concept from a different series entirely.

    The series mostly sticks the landing with a decent resolution to the central mystery. It doesn’t quite explain everything why was Jesse Blackdeer involved with the scheme? How did he end up on the CIA payroll afterwards? Why was Dr Borchardt willing to kill her daughter? but it did enough.

    Slightly annoying to find the book is about 5mm deeper on the covers than all the other volumes though, so won’t sit flush with them in a bookcase. Yes, I know that’s pretty trivial, but it’s such a weird variance in size to pretty much any Image OHC, not just the Revival ones.

  • #91018

    Slightly annoying to find the book is about 5mm deeper on the covers than all the other volumes though, so won’t sit flush with them in a bookcase.

    Can’t you just pull the other ones out by 5mm?

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  • #91019

    Slightly annoying to find the book is about 5mm deeper on the covers than all the other volumes though, so won’t sit flush with them in a bookcase.

    Can’t you just pull the other ones out by 5mm?

    Alright, calm down, Dave. No-one asked for good, obvious solutions.

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  • #91046

    I finally picked up the fourth and final OHC of Revival recently and so re-read the whole series and then that today.

    It holds up really well over all. The third volume suffers a bit from a jarring acceleration of the plot in the middle, but the fourth stays on track as everything starts to dissolve into shit (for the characters, I mean).

    Although Em’s reaction to meeting the Amish ninja assassin perfectly mirrored my own to her introduction.

    7FADEBD2-2CEE-4FD0-BC99-92DC923D9E87

    But it’s a pretty cool character in the end, if it does feel a bit like they’ve been shipped in from a concept from a different series entirely.

    The series mostly sticks the landing with a decent resolution to the central mystery. It doesn’t quite explain everything why was Jesse Blackdeer involved with the scheme? How did he end up on the CIA payroll afterwards? Why was Dr Borchardt willing to kill her daughter? but it did enough.

    Slightly annoying to find the book is about 5mm deeper on the covers than all the other volumes though, so won’t sit flush with them in a bookcase. Yes, I know that’s pretty trivial, but it’s such a weird variance in size to pretty much any Image OHC, not just the Revival ones.

    I had started that series and last about a year or so. I ended up dropping it as it seemed like it was going to take forever to solve the mystery. It was good but not good enough to keep me hooked.

  • #91051

    It ran 47 issues in the end (plus a cross-over with Chew). It does punt the mystery off to the side a bit at times to focus on the ramifications of the situation and the characters, but I think on the whole it doles out enough clues and scraps as it goes along to not feel like it’s unduly dragging its feet.

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  • #91104

    I agree. I think sometimes it’s hard to tell with Image books where they are going and for how long, especially as quite a few have a ‘mystery box’ flavour to them. You can get strung along – Morning Glories the worst offender by miles.

    By the end of it though I think Revival did a good job.

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  • #91110

    Morning Glories the worst offender by miles.

    So say we all.

    Spencer looks to have repeated that on The Fix too.  Pity, it was a good book.

    I have to admit part of me is inclined to hold off until a Volume 2 turns up for new Image series.  Not that it guarantees continuance but the number of Volume 1s without any continuation is legion.

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  • #91121

    I heard Invisible Republic has been cancelled now and won’t be continuing passed vol 3. Which was a bit of a bummer, and doesn’t entice me to bother with vol 2 or 3 irrespective of how much I enjoyed vol 1.

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  • #91123

    Well, shit.  Thanks for sharing the news Vik.

    In other, better news, Deadly Class is getting a final 4th hardback next year.

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  • #91128

    Morning Glories the worst offender by miles.

    Worse than The Beauty? Gods that tangented!

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  • #91300

    The Department of Truth – Volume 3 – Free Country

    As fragmented, single issues that get in the way of the main story, I can see how this would be a frustrating experience.  As a set read as a block they are far better.

    This set of six issues acts as an origin story for the series.  One that uses a diversity of art styles and story structures to its advantages.

    Decorum

    This one has been a long time coming – was it worth the wait? Yes, it was.

    This is the most Hickman-style book from him in ages.  Diagram exposition dumps? Check.  Distinctive design? Check.

    But this also goes much further.  It weaves those elements in but also mixes up the art style too.  Black and white, grayscale, colour, full painted / digital colour.  It’s all here.

    Told in 20 chapters across eight issues, the story darts all over the place.  With a high degree of success, though what Master Morley’s dreams are about I couldn’t tell you.

    Above all, this book really celebrates what you can do in the comics medium.  It could not be told so effectively any other way.

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  • #91315

    I used the website Total Cards to preorder the latest Judge Dredd Complete Case Files.

    Pros: cheap price, packaged book wrapped in two layers of bubble wrap, in sturdy box, cushioned by significant amount of shredded paper.

    Cons: book was bashed on base of spine anyway, arrived a solid five days after estimated delivery date.

    I’d use them again but only if i was making a significant saving.

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  • #91524

    All hail the SpeedyHen!

    They’ve just despatched my copy of X-Men: Fall of the Mutants Omnibus!

    This means I just need there to be an Uncanny X-Men Omnibus 5 to complete Claremont’s run.  Hopefully next year.

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  • #91535

    Morning Glories the worst offender by miles.

    this is by the same guy that did this,

    Right? yep. He has been on the no-read list with Bendis and King.

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  • #91539

    Bendis and King do have some good stories to their credit – Spencer could have done that but decided to leave his series hanging.

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  • #91549

    Bendis and King do have some good stories to their credit

    Hard agree.

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  • #91628

    It is a manner of taste when it comes to Bendis and King for me. I just do not like the way they write.

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  • #92095

    King of Spies

    Hmm, masterpiece the books says, I don’t think I agree.  Oh, it’s a good enough read but Millar’s written better.  This is more in line with his other, provocative works.  With a dash of Pat Mills style rage against the world thrown in.

    The bigger draw for me was Scalera, whose work I enjoy a great deal.

    The problem with the book is wider than the book itself.  I think I’ve lost my taste for the “old violent bastard seeking redemption” story.

    Stories where you don’t care about any of the characters, stories that are about their destruction have their place. Get Carter is a cold bastard of a film for instance.  But do I still want that kind of story? After reading this one, I don’t think I do as much as I used to.

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  • #92213

    Dealer Alert

    Hickman Inferno OHC spotted at BooksEtc for £19.86

  • #92545

    preorders now active for:

    Reckless HC 4 – £15.92

    Perhaps you meant book 5? I just found out today, but here’s a link to the story I missed from Mar. 9th (@ Screen Rant)

    Follow Me Down: A Reckless Book Hardcover – Oct. 18 2022

    The FIFTH BOOK in the best-selling Reckless series is here!
    Bestselling crime noir masters Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips bring us another original graphic novel starring troublemaker-for-hire Ethan Reckless.
    In the wake of the 1989 earthquake, Ethan takes a trip to San Francisco to search for a missing woman. But almost immediately he finds himself going down a path of darkness and murder in her wake, in a case unlike anything he’s faced before.
    FOLLOW ME DOWN is the most intense of the Reckless books so far, and yet another hit from the most-acclaimed team in comics, creators of PULP, MY HEROES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN JUNKIES, CRIMINAL, THE FADE OUT, and KILL OR BE KILLED. A must-have for all Brubaker and Phillips readers!

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  • #92550

    Not if we’re talking SpeedyHen, their preorders only go active 2-3 months before release so it would be HC4.

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  • #92932

    For anyone after Marvel OHCs or Omnibuses in July and August – all of them look to have been bumped to Sept / Oct.

  • #93046

    In Forbidden Planet in Newcastle they had a shelf of heavily discounted Marvel Omnibuses — price stickers marked down from £100+ to £39.99. multiple copies of King Kull, FF vol 2 (only) … I forget the rest to be honest, but if this is a company-wide policy and not just this one store over-ordering, it might be worth popping into your nearest and having a look.

     

     

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  • #93049

    Batman: Reptilian HC and Batman: The Imposter HC

    I read a couple of new Batman HCs over the weekend – one of which I’d been looking forward to for a while and one of which was more of an impulse buy.

    Batman: Reptilian is one of those books where I picked up the first issue and decided to wait for the collection rather than follow it monthly. And I’m glad that I did, as there probably isn’t enough in each individual chapter to make it feel like a substantial read in singles, but overall it comes together quite nicely as an atmospheric horror-oriented Batman adventure.

    Ennis provides the kind of Batman you’d probably expect from him – tough and hard-edged with a mean sense of humour – and Liam Sharp offers up some stylised, moody, painted-style art that feels a little Simon Bisley and a little Dave McKean.

    While it starts as a bit of a murder mystery it ends up in more X-Files territory, but Ennis makes the story work and adds some nice weird details that give it a nicely creepy vibe throughout. Worth a look if you like Batman stories at the darker, weirder end of the spectrum.

    Meanwhile, Batman: The Imposter is no less dark but is in much more grounded territory – in fact, the Batman that it reminded me of most of all is the one of the most recent movie (and to a slightly lesser extent the Nolan films).

    This is a “realistic” urban Batman, and on top of that he’s a version who doesn’t have his usual voices of reason to help him keep things straight (Alfred and Jim Gordon are both very deliberately taken out of the picture here) and who often threatens to cross the line of reasonable vigilante behaviour – especially once a fake Batman appears on the scene and starts murdering people in Gotham, which is a decent hook for the story and provides a nice whodunnit-style mystery that runs throughout.

    Interestingly though, much of the story is told not from Batman’s perspective but from the point of view of the cops – particularly detective Blair Wong, a well-conceived new character who serves several purposes in the story and provides a refreshingly competent and very likeable foil for both Batman and Bruce Wayne. She’s the kind of character that I could see turning up in the movies and her realisation is probably the high point of the book.

    Otherwise though, the story suffers a little from the same problem I had with the recent movie – it’s just a little too serious and dark, to the point where it isn’t really that much fun as a reader.

    I don’t know Mattson Tomlin from his previous work, but this has the feel of a gritty cop drama more than a superhero story, and there’s very little levity or sense of escapism here to relieve the oppressive feel that hangs over everything.

    Andrea Sorrentino and Jordie Bellaire’s art is very good though – the book is worth a look if only for that. While it’s not as stylised or fantastical as some other takes on Batman and his city have been, it’s a decent conception of a modern, realistic Gotham with some nicely brutal action sequences and some arresting images that stick in the mind.

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  • #93065

    Imposter is a very different Batman story.  Can’t recall reading one like it before.

    Haven’t got to Reptilian yet.

  • #93084

    I read Invaders: Complete Collection v1 recently. I’d read a bit of the series years ago in the previous collections (Invaders Classics) and wasn’t that taken by it. Confusing stories and ugly art as I remember it. But this time around, in this Epic collection sized beast, it really grabbed me.

    Not that I was entirely wrong in my original assessment. Some of Roy Thomas’s stories are pretty weird, like the one early one where the Invaders end up fighting pseudo-Germanic gods who are really some aliens that a Nazi has sort of brain-washed and remodeled. It’s odd. But generally, the series does a good job of giving a slightly revisionist take on the Golden Age, with less racism (although there’s no Japanese characters at all so far, so who knows how they’ll turn out) and more super-villains, which was his stated aim (along with a tonne of self-indulgence, as you might expect from Roy Thomas doing Golden Age characters). And that aligns with what I wish the Golden Age had been.

    And the art is kind of ugly. Pencils are almost entirely by Frank Robbins, who has a slightly deranged style. Very high action, but the characters very frequently look like they’re on the edge of having a hysterical episode. This is tamped down a bit by the first inker, Vinnie Colletta, but once he’s replaced by Frank Springer, it really kicks into gear. I can see why I didn’t like it last time, but I kinda dig it now.

    A pleasant surprise this. Hopefully I can find the second volume for a reasonable price some time.

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  • #93123

    Oo. I was just idly Amazon fishing and spotted this, which has popped up amongst titles that have been listed for a while.

    Ant-Man/Giant-Man Epic Collection v2: Ant-Man No More (1302949659)

    Progenitor of the famous Pym Particle, biochemist Dr. Henry Pym started off his super-heroing life as the tiny Ant-Man and then burst into a new role as Giant-Man. The Avengers co-founder’s adventures with the Wasp continue in our second Epic Collection as they beat back the Beast of Berlin and battle other adversaries big and small. After their starring roles in Tales to Astonish and Marvel Feature conclude, there’s a new Giant-Man on the block—Pym’s friend and lab partner Bill Foster becomes the Black Goliath in a series all his own. Last, but far from least, we present the debut of Scott Lang as Ant-Man, the small hero who has made it big both in Marvel’s comics and on the silver screen!

    Tales To Astonish (1959) #60-69, Iron Man (1968) #44, Marvel Feature (1971) #4-10, Power Man (1974) #24-25, Black Goliath (1976) #1-5, The Champions (1975) #11-13 And Marvel Premiere (1972) #47-48

    Finally! I’ve been waiting ages for the rest of Ant-Man to get collected. I wasn’t expecting them to put Black Goliath into these but it makes sense. I guess it means they can stretch out into a third collection with more of Scott’s appearances in Micheleine’s Iron Man (which made up most of the Ant-Man: Scott Lang trade they put out a few years back), but I’m not sure how you’d fill out an entire volume after those few issues, unless you went right up to modern day, but the Epics tend to stop around Onslaught.

     

  • #93285

    A quartet of recent reads:

    The Magic Order Volume 2

    After King of Spies I considered cancelling the preorder but it’s Immonen, the man always does good work.  But the same cannot be said of the story he’s required to polish.

    I had a look at the reviews, which were praising this to the skies.  Why they did I don’t know because this isn’t great.  It feels like Millar doing a “how’s it going fellow kids”. It’s bad, it’s not pretty and it doesn’t work.

    Magic Order 3? Another story of one bunch of bastards screwing over another bunch of bastards? Nope. There comes a time when a writer no longer does it and that is certainly so with Millar for me.

    Primordial HC

    The creative partnership of Lemire and Sorrentino is becoming one of my must buy indicators.  It doesn’t matter if I don’t entirely understand the story or its conclusion.  It’s always an intriguing experience.

    Like with Gideon Falls, I can’t tell you what happened at the end, yet neither do I feel cheated.  Onto The Bone Orchard!

    Batman: Reptilian HC

    I have been wondering if I’m growing out of Batman stories.  But if this is any indication what I was after was better Bat-stories because this one is superb.

    It’s also a great example of hiw the Black Label books should work.  This story could not be done as a mainline story.  The character bodycount is sky high for instance.

    Separate to this is Sharp’s glorious painted art.  It’s amazing to look at and DC should have issued this as an OHC.  Oh well, it is DC after all.

    Really looking forward to reading Sharp’s upcoming Starhenge – probably early next year.

    The Sarge Volume 1

    British war tale? Check. Restores material? Check. Very compact storytelling? Check. Garth Ennis intro? Check. Quality production values? Oh yes.

    This was a fun, good read – hopefully there’ll be a volume two.

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  • #93859

    Random, But Intentional

    This was the week where Penguin Random House was quietly making some moves, it seems.

    On Wednesday, it was announced that Marvel with expanding its relationship with Penguin Random House Publisher Services, with the latter company taking on exclusive worldwide sales and distribution rights for Marvel’s bookstore and book market customers starting in April 2023. The move ends Marvel’s longstanding deal with the Hachette Book Group, which took over bookstore distribution from Diamond Comics Distributors back in 2010, and arguably drops the other shoe that people have been expecting since Marvel announced that it would be exclusively distributed in the direct market by PRHPS back in March last year.

    While the new deal has seemed an inevitability for the last year – after all, why not consolidate all distribution with one company, especially when that company has extensive bookstore experience? – I’d be shocked if Marvel’s historically poor performance in the bookstore market reaching a new low last year didn’t play some kind of part in the decision to try and shake things up in terms of distribution.

    According to NPD Bookscan figures, Marvel didn’t actually place a title in the top 800 best-selling graphic novels in the book market from 2021; in fact, they didn’t even place in the top 890 best-sellers – the first appearance of a Marvel-published title was at #892, where The Infinity Gauntlet shows up. This isn’t the first appearance of a book featuring a Marvel character, because both Scholastic and IDW chart higher up with licensed product, but still, come on. This is one of the most dominant pop culture brands, and arguably the most dominant comic book brand, on the planet right now, and it gets outsold by 891 different titles? That’s just a disaster.

    Also a disaster is the long term bookstore performance of Marvel in the book market. While the publisher’s overall sales rose in 2021 compared with the previous year – it bumped up an impressive 46.55%, in terms of dollar value – last year was also the first time Marvel sales had risen in year-on-year comparisons since 2018; that’s right, in 2020 and 2019, Marvel’s bookstore sales fell compared with previous years. They fell by a lot, as well; 2020’s bookstore sales were 20.77% down on the previous year, which was itself down 11.47% on the year before*. By comparison, 2020’s overall bookstore sales were up 21.18%, and 2019’s 36.46%.

    You know all this, anyway; I wrote about it a couple of months back, wondering what was going to change if Marvel wanted to salvage its bookstore presence**. Perhaps switching its distribution options is the answer, in the short term.

    At the very least, it almost certainly couldn’t hurt; PRHPS currently handles bookstore distribution for a number of other comic book publishers, including DC, Archie, Dark Horse, IDW, Seven Seas, and Kodansha, all of which outperform Marvel in the book market. It would suggest they have at least some idea of what they’re doing, and maybe some of that luck/experience [delete as applicable] can rub off on Marvel.

    It wasn’t just the bookstore market where PRHPS was switching things up, though; retailers who use the company for direct market shipments of Marvel and IDW comics received an email this week letting them know that there’s going to be all-new new packaging for comics starting next week, in the latest attempt to rebuild retailer trust after a series of unfortunate packaging errors early on in its direct market exploits***. As the email put it, “The feedback we received expressing concerns about our original shipments last Fall has been immensely valuable in evaluating the effectiveness of our fixes. Since then we have been continuously looking into packaging improvements.”

    That’s an understatement. The announcement of a new shipping solution is the second such announcement since PRHPS took over distribution for Marvel last year. On October 8 – just a week after it had started distributing Marvel’s comics – the company announced that it was already revising its packaging with shipments later that month, and released a statement that said in part, “We expect to widely implement material packaging improvement with the shipments arriving for October 20 on sale, and to keep continuously evolving the process.” I’d been told that PRHPS had been quietly experimenting with other options across the past few months, something the company admitted in the email to retailers when detailing how it arrived at its new solution.

    “First, we worked to design several different carton configurations which were put through rigorous UPS testing, including drop testing and vibration testing,” explained the impressively detailed message. “We then chose the best packaging to conduct an initial round of testing with a subset of both domestic and international customers in the direct market. Our team met with these testing partners to understand each customer’s unique inventory review process and received overwhelmingly positive feedback on the packaging solution. After these results, we broadened the test to ship the new cartons to an additional 500 retailers around the world and requested feedback via an online survey. These survey results were also overwhelmingly positive.”

    On the one hand, this likely feels like much ado about nothing to many people reading this; why should they care about boxes and shipping, as long as the titles arrive on time****? Bad packaging and bad shipping can render issues unsellable for retailers and fans alike, though, and if distributors and publishers don’t accept that product as officially damaged, then it becomes dead stock that the retailer has to shoulder the cost on… and it’s not as if many comic retailers have a lot of money to waste at the best of times.

    That PRHPS had to do something to correct its admittedly flawed shipping packaging was unavoidable, and it should be applauded for continually exploring potential avenues to the best possible outcome. This week’s message to retailers said that the company’s “handling and package-engineering practices will continue to evolve, as necessary and appropriate,” suggesting that experiments will keep going until morale improves.

    I cynically wonder if the company is also trying to get everything in order before trying to reach out to other publishers for direct market distribution deals in the near future. I mean, you don’t really create an entire shipping apparatus, and specific web portal (and catalog), for comic book retailers just for two publishers alone, do you?

    Somehow, we’re back to waiting for the other shoe to drop… or, at least, wondering how many shoes are up there, in the first place.

    * While 2018’s bookstore performance saw an increase for Marvel on the previous year – up 5.14% – it’s worth noting that, in 2017, Marvel’s bookstore sales had dropped 10.19% compared with 2016’s numbers.

    ** In response, a handful of retailers suggested that Marvel’s overall approach to collected editions was changing as evidenced by the number of reprints and “new editions” of out of print collections that have been solicited in recent months. There was even a suggestion from some that this might have been at the behest of PRHPS, which might have been quietly pushing Marvel to increase its own bigger ticket, evergreen selection in addition to outsourcing such things to other publishers.

    *** How bad was it? “Most books in every box is damaged because it’s shipped UPS with no protection” bad, as retailer Ryan Higgins tweeted in the first week of PRHPS shipping.

    **** Indeed, many PRHPS shipments have been arriving early, from what I’ve been hearing, which likely falls under the “nice problem to have” header for everyone except stores that have little space to keep embargoed material in the back, unseen and unsold.

  • #93875

    Marvel have always seemed to put out trades because they have to.  They don’t care that much about them in comparison to their competitors.

    Currently they are going all in on Omnibuses, whacking up production to a degree that will overload their audience’s spending ability.  They are putting out multiple Omnibuses monthly.

    Talking of….

    Dealer Alert

    For anyone after the Excalibur Omnibus 1 there appears to have been a stealth reprint recently.

    BooksEtc are getting copies for £58.87.  It will sometimes display as out of stock, so keep an eye on it.

     

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  • #93943

    This arrived today:

    It’s a nice oversized hardcover collection of all six issues of Murder Falcon, as well as the previously uncollected Skybound X short story, along with all the covers (including variants) and a great sketchbook/original art gallery section too.

    Fingers crossed we get something similar for Extremity eventually!

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  • #93944

    Currently they are going all in on Omnibuses, whacking up production to a degree that will overload their audience’s spending ability.  They are putting out multiple Omnibuses monthly.

    The quality of Marvel omnibuses has also dipped lately. The paper is so thin that you can see a lot of bleedthrough from the other side of the page, especially when there’s a fair amount of white space. Which is poor for what should be a premium product.

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  • #93952

    I would hope it isn’t permanent, I was listening to Ed Brubaker speak recently and say supply chain stuff is really messing with comics. He said the last Reckless book had lower quality paper stock because that was all that was on offer and then the printers added 50 cents a copy to the price out of the blue he just had to soak up.

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  • #93955

    I would hope it isn’t permanent, I was listening to Ed Brubaker speak recently and say supply chain stuff is really messing with comics. He said the last Reckless book had lower quality paper stock because that was all that was on offer and then the printers added 50 cents a copy to the price out of the blue he just had to soak up.

    Yeah the current paper shortages/costs are likely part of the problem. It’s hit a few Kickstarter projects that I’ve backed too, leading to very long delays. Printed comics are really struggling with it at the moment.

    But then at the same time, you have to wonder if it’s worth putting out a supposedly high-end book altogether when the pages look like this:

     

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  • #93957

    That the Hickman FF Omnibus reprint?

    I wouldn’t say it’s a new issue.  Marvel got a load of flak around the Infinity OHC they did years ago.  They’ve always pushed it, relying on people caring more about than the production values.

  • #94117

    Picked up this new gallery edition hardcover of Weapon X recently, and have hugely enjoyed reading it through again. The art has been remastered and the colouring dialled down so it’s not as bright and more closely matches the original issues. And it looks fantastic.

    I didn’t love this when I first read it, but over the years I’ve come to appreciate it as one of the best things Marvel has ever published. This also features a few bonus BWS Wolverine bits and pieces too, so a nice collection.

    It’s also gigantic – around twice the size of a regular comic.

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  • #94120

    There are loads of original art scans in the gallery section at the back too, which look incredible.

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  • #94121

    You lucky bugger! I’ve not been able to get a copy and that looks lovely.

  • #94123

    You lucky bugger! I’ve not been able to get a copy and that looks lovely.

    It seems to have been scarce in the UK and I think the whole printing has now sold out sadly. I had to get a copy from eBay although luckily didn’t have to pay over the odds for it.

  • #94143

    Surprise omnibuses from Marvel for 2023:

    Peter David Hulk Omnibus 5

    Maestro Omnibus

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  • #94252

    My copy of The Bone Orchard: The Passageway OGN has arrived.

    It is a very nice hardback, now I just have to work up the nerve to read it.

    I do wonder, with costs going up, if we’ll see more standard size HCs over OHCs.  If the quality is high, I’m no longer minding the smaller size.  The Reckless series is a good example of how to do them too.

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  • #94284

    I’m currently reading Thor: Heroes Return omnibus, which is (the start of?) Dan Jurgens run.

    These are not good comics.

    There are some good ideas in here – a pantheon of dark gods that have conquered Asgard, a different take on Thor having a human alter ego by him having to assume the identity of man who died on sidelines of a battle with the Destroyer – but none it comes together well. The Dark Gods are empty ciphers with bad designs, the bigger story of them having conquered Asgard and enslaved everyone but Thor doesn’t entirely make sense (Asgard was already abandoned and in ruins when Thor unwittingly freed the main Dark God guy), Thor having to be Jake doesn’t have enough depth and the art, by John Romita Jr, is largely pretty terrible.

    And yet, despite all that, I really love the general feel and aesthetic of these comics. Well, late 90s, post-bankruptcy Marvel in general. The computer colouring that had stop trying too hard to show off, the back to basics feel of most characters status quos after the disruptive mid-90s, even the Comicraft fonts (I even used an id app to get the name of the main one – Meanwhile). It just really appeals to me, even when part of pretty rubbish comics like these.

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  • #94318

    Bone Orchard Mythos: The Passageway

    Ultimately I found this a bit disappointing. I think it starts well and creates a decent atmosphere and sense of creeping horror, but it doesn’t build towards a satisfying ending.

    I feel a bit like I felt about the same creative team’s Primordial – a load of weird shit is intriguing up to a point, but I feel like (especially in an OGN like this) you ultimately have to deliver an ending, and there’s not enough sense of that here for me.

    A shame as I really quite enjoyed the FCBD issue.

  • #94441

    Dealer Alert

    BooksEtc are flogging the second hardback of the Tamaki-Mora Detective Comics run for £13.25

    On a related note, Nightwing: Fear State arrived.  So the trades will go v1, FS, v2.

  • #94704

    I’m two-thirds into the Thor: Heroes Return omnibus now and it’s gone from being bad to just infuriating. Specifically the end of the long running plot about Jake Olsen, Thor’s human alter ego.

    Olsen is introduced in #1 as a dedicated paramedic, torn between his fiance and his work, who ends up dying to save a woman trapped under a car due to a supervillain battle. Thor is, for reasons not worth going into, forced to take up Olsen’s life.

    Almost immediately we learn that Olsen’s partner, Demetrius, is crooked, selling drugs from the ambulance and hospital on the side. We learn this from a panel showing him exchanging a bag for an envelope of cash to someone in a car and another panel with a thought bubble where, learning that Jake hasn’t died, he laments losing his “perfect patsy to pin this dirty business on.” A few issues later, the hospital notices that drugs are going missing and that it tallies with Olsen’s shifts. Set-up for a classic misunderstanding plot where Thor has to try and get himself out of trouble despite not knowing all the facts himself (he took Olsen’s life with no knowledge of it), discover his sort of best friend is corrupt etc

    Except, for some reason, Jurgens completely screws up his own sub-plot. It’s strung along for a bit until Demetrius is revealed to be an undercover cop. That could still be spun into him being a corrupt one, but apparently he’ s undercover to investigate the missing drugs (yet this would have had to have started months before the hospital even noticed). And it turns out, despite him *being shown selling drugs* he’s on the level. And, contrary to all evidence we’ve been presented of him, it turns out Olsen was actually stealing and selling drugs from the hospital.

    It’s like they swerved to the most shocking and unexpected resolution not realising it’s unexpected because it’s absolutely stupid and contradictory.

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  • #94810

    Dealer Alert

    For those after it, SpeedyHen’s preorder for Seven to Eternity OHC has gone active.

    Elsewhere, Blackwell’s looks to have had a catalogue update, with these turning up:

    Jan 2023

    Seven Secrets Volume 3

    20th Century Men Volume 1 – from Deniz Camp, ex-MillarWorld poster.

    Feb 2023

    Bitter Root OHC – From David F Walker who co-wrote Naomi with Bendis

    March 2023

    Do A Powerbomb

    Starhenge Volume 1 – Liam Sharp’s creator-owned space Arthurian epic.

    May 2023

    The Gods on Sunday Morning – an Astro City OGN!

    Plus a slew of trades for the Massive-verse across Feb-Apr.

     

  • #94811

    The Gods on Sunday Morning – an Astro City OGN!

    It’s from the Astro City creative team, but seems to be its own thing:

    Immortality isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. Meet Manny, an ancient, near-forgotten god living in a crummy motel in L.A. It’s not much of a life, for him or the other forgotten gods he meets for breakfast every Sunday. But something’s brewing, something that will change the gods’ destiny forever…or end it.

    The award-winning ASTRO CITY creative team brings you their first original graphic novel, a contemporary fantasy that does for mythology what ASTRO CITY does for superheroes.

    Sounds very American Gods-y. I’m interested.

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  • #94812

    I missed that detail! Even so, still sounds well worth checking out.

    On a different note, despite online listings having it as paperback, next month’s, Pulp: The Process Edition is an OHC.

  • #94813

    Dealer Alert For those after it, SpeedyHen’s preorder for Seven to Eternity OHC has gone active.

    And you can still use the code ENJOY to get £5 off.

  • #94815

    I missed that detail! Even so, still sounds well worth checking out.

    On a different note, despite online listings having it as paperback, next month’s, Pulp: The Process Edition is an OHC.

    I’m still on the fence about that. I’d normally be all over a Brubaker-Philips OHC, but for a story that’s only 72 pages, I think, it’s a high price. I’m not sure I’m that interested in process stuff to warrant the price tag.

  • #94816

    It is pricey, no doubt about that.

    It being hardback helps but the main sell part of this is how much you are or aren’t interested in the creative process for comics.

    I’m not so interested as to go for the very expensive artist editions IDW and others put out.  I did nab the Gallery edition of Star Wars: Dark Times that DHC put out before they lost the license as it was far more affordable.

    This feels similar.

  • #94817

    I missed that detail! Even so, still sounds well worth checking out.

    On a different note, despite online listings having it as paperback, next month’s, Pulp: The Process Edition is an OHC.

    I’m still on the fence about that. I’d normally be all over a Brubaker-Philips OHC, but for a story that’s only 72 pages, I think, it’s a high price. I’m not sure I’m that interested in process stuff to warrant the price tag.

    I’m definitely picking it up as it’s a creative team that I rate highly enough to make all that process stuff fascinating. It definitely feels like a just-for-fans book though.

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  • #94921

    On a related note, Nightwing: Fear State arrived. So the trades will go v1, FS, v2.

    Mine too, though I was slightly annoyed as the Amazon listing says it’s 84-88 and the annual, but it’s only 84-86, the annual, and they’ve thrown in an anthology story written by Tini Howard (sigh).

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  • #94922

    I can’t really complain due to the price I got it for – £11.06, but really want to see how the single image issue that is #87 works.

    Ah well, December it will be.

    Although the second Son of Kal-El HC will be out by then too – it might sync up neatly.

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  • #95031

    This was another enjoyable volume of Once & Future – the story is still fun and moves quick, and Mora’s art is great (with Bonvillain’s colours getting more wild and vivid than ever in this arc).

    But I do feel a little bit like the book is spinning its wheels without a huge amount of forward progress – I feel like we’re seeing signs of the story being stretched beyond its natural lifespan just to keep the series going.

    That said it’s still an entertaining read, it just feels a bit like it’s going in circles. Hopefully the character who shows up towards the end here will shake things up a bit.

  • #95045

    I thought I read that vol 5 (#30) is the last.

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  • #95047

    Ah that’s good to know. Hopefully that bodes well.

  • #95050

    I thought I read that vol 5 (#30) is the last.

    I didn’t know that. The last issue seemed to burn through plotlines at high speed so that explains it.

  • #95069

    In what looks to be a very crappy move Marvel appear to have changed the just released Jane Foster: Valkyrie from an OHC to a standard size paperback while keeping the price the same!

    I’ve queried it with SpeedyHem but the ISBNs match, so I suspect Marvel of foul play.

    The big problem here is that they’ve done this on this one, what other items, advertised as OHC, are they going to change to paperback on the sly?

    Edit – It was not solicited as an OHC, but the presentation that it was went everywhere and did not change to match.

    Still a mess.  I suppose, in the end, I’ll gamble on the next few OHCs and hope they are OHCs.  There’s not many now.

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  • #95121

    Picked up the two Parker Martini Editions for £42 apiece courtesy of Speedyhen and ENJOY.

    I’ve already read the first volume previously, so I’m looking forward to Last Call in particular.

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  • #95124

    Last Call hits particularly hard on an emotional level, while also being a great looking book.

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  • #95240

    I read both complete collection volumes of Gillen’s Journey Into Mystery this past week or so and, well, meh. Bit pretentious.

    No, I’m knowingly playing into some of his defensiveness against criticism his work often gets (the term pretentious that is. People saying “meh” on message boards was in a rather good joke he made in a bit about spells.)

    I came out of this thinking of it the same as I do with much of Gillen’s work: it has interesting ideas, but they’re expressed in a somewhat self-satisfied, and yes occasionally pretentious, manner. I struggled to really care much about it and Loki, even in the somewhat rushed finale.

    Part of that is because the book never gets to feel like more than a sideshow to Fraction’s Thor run (which I’ve read a bit of and didn’t like). After two sizeable volumes, it didn’t feel like I’d read a cohesive and whole story, but threads of a bigger one.

    Doesn’t help that he’s saddled with a real mixed bag artwise. Doug Braithwaite is great, Richard Elson proved to be even better, but then a good chunk of the series is drawn by Carmine Di Giandomenico, whose art is very murky. Imagine planning a cross-over story, being told that Alan Davis is going to draw it but then it turns out to just be the other series’ issues, not yours.

    Most baffling is that the second volume ends with an issue of Thor that kinda fits with what’s been going on but doesn’t directly connect with Loki, so really doesn’t demand a place here more than any other issue of Fraction’s Thor, and then a Thor annual by JM DeMatteis that is just completely irrelevant to JiM and just seems to be there to waste 40 pages or whatever, I guess to pad out the price? Weird.

  • #95449

    Seems to have been a couple of rogue Image trades online.  There may be others but neither of these have a release date on Image’s site:

    Redneck Volume 6

    Monstress OHC2

  • #95490

    My copy of The Legend of Luther Arkwright has arrived.

    It is an excellently produced volume, all the better to show off and match to the art within it.

    Also have a couple of DC Black Label OHCs plus the second Nocturnals Library Edition.

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  • #95492

    I am sad to announce the passing of the Speedyhen ENJOY code. It was taken from us too soon.

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