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Attempting to kick off a new version of this as Ben’s one disappeared.

A MW tradition, and the cause of many an empty wallet!

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  • #18103

    My LCS had a copy of Heavy Liquid, I’ll post my thoughts in a few days…

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  • #18136

    Just got my copy of the final WicDiv OHC, so re-reading that’ll eat up some time:

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  • #18170

    Rebellion have put up Judge Dredd Case Files vol 5 (including the Apocalypse War) digital edition for free.

    https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/GRN281

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  • #18390

    Talking of excellent value buys, this arrived today:

    It’s a big, hefty volume at a bargain price and the art still looks gorgeous – I know I wondered about that given the size of the Hawk collection I have, but it looks fine.

    Also, it has an intro from Liam Sharp – I didn’t know he and Chris Weston were apprentice artists to Lawrence.

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  • #18433

    Ive been quite interested in the Trigan Empire. I might have to take the plunge on it depending on what you make of the storytelling Ben.

    I bought the new Dredd trade from my local comic shop. Mechanismo: Machine Law only has teo stories in it but it’s a tight John Wagner scripting and John Macrae and Colin MacNeil on art so the result is just:

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  • #18442

    I enjoyed the Tales Of volume I read a long time ago.  It is that much older British comics style of fitting a story to a handful of pages per week.

    I think the new volumes are going to blow people’s minds, that art like this was being done in the 60s.

    Likely will hold off and read the quartet as a set in about 18 months

  • #18632

    Just got my copy of the final WicDiv OHC, so re-reading that’ll eat up some time:

    Yep same here.

    Dealer Alert

    If you have a SpedyHen preorder for Batman: Creature of the Night HC, keep it because the RRP has gone up from the expected $24.99 to $29.99, meaning the SH price of £13.51 is a bargain!

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  • #18643

    If you have a SpedyHen preorder for Batman: Creature of the Night HC, keep it because the RRP has gone up from the expected $24.99 to $29.99, meaning the SH price of £13.51 is a bargain!

    Thanks for this, I’ve got this on at SpeedyHen so will stick with it. Have been keeping an eye on Book Etc for it but it probably won’t beat that if the price has jumped.

  • #18658

    It won’t, might go as low as £13.84 but SH still wins.

    BE’s prices have become more volatile. Harleen is at the £22 mark, but they have the Batman Universe HC for just under a tenner.

  • #18668

    Hopefully that Trigan Empire hardback will be waiting for me in my LCS on Wednesday

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  • #18675

    It’s a paperback Lorcan, albeit a very nice one.

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  • #18779

    I though the Trigan Empire was just being sold via Treasury of British Comics / 2000AD’s webstore. I’m avoiding the comic shop but phoning them up every week to pay for what’s in my standing order (to contribute to their cash flow during a time when people are social distancing) and I think I’ll ask them to pop a copy of this aside for me too if stores are selling it.

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  • #18856

    There was a limited edition hardback available through the 2000AD website but the paperback is available through bookstores (and is in stock on Amazon now).

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  • #18859

    If you have a SpedyHen preorder for Batman: Creature of the Night HC, keep it because the RRP has gone up from the expected $24.99 to $29.99, meaning the SH price of £13.51 is a bargain!

    Thanks for this, I’ve got this on at SpeedyHen so will stick with it. Have been keeping an eye on Book Etc for it but it probably won’t beat that if the price has jumped.

    It won’t, might go as low as £13.84 but SH still wins.

    Just saw this – I presume Books Etc. didn’t implement the price update yet as they have it on for £12.49.

    https://www.booksetc.co.uk/books/view/-9781401280635

  • #18863

    No, they have – they’re flogging it half price!  It’ll go fast.

    I’m inclined to not worry about £1.05 difference given the freed up cash by trades ceasing for the next month or so.

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  • #18867

    Yes but it’s the principle! :rose:

  • #18893

    Associate link for Trigan Empire

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  • #18917

    Just gave in and nabbed the Batman HC – as on this one a day or two could make all the difference.

    Emailed SH – flagged they might not be able to get hold of stuff so easily.

  • #19135

    Talking of excellent value buys, this arrived today:

    It’s a big, hefty volume at a bargain price and the art still looks gorgeous – I know I wondered about that given the size of the Hawk collection I have, but it looks fine.

    Also, it has an intro from Liam Sharp – I didn’t know he and Chris Weston were apprentice artists to Lawrence.

    I haven’t got this yet, but a friend has and is disappointed with the book’s dimensions and I think he said paper quality too. He was hoping for something much larger to show off the art nearer the original size.

  • #19152

    I don’t know what your friend was expecting here, it’s a good quality low cost paperback.

    I don’t think anyone would issue a mass market paperback at original size, it’d end up too expensive

  • #19273

    Little bit of Amazon fishing (with, I think, affiliate links for all the products. I think. You might want to check Gar. Feel free to edit if they’re not working).

    Acts of Vengeance tpb

    Eternals by Kirby Complete Collection

    Spider-Man The Gauntlet Complete Collection v2

    Conan (original Marvel series) Epic Collection v1

    Ditko Is Strange – “King size” OHC of Ditko’s Dr Strange run

    Whedon/Cassaday Astonishing X-Men Omnibus

    Wolverine Enemy of the State

    Avengers: Live Kree or Die – this is a mix of mid-90s and post-Heroes Return Avengers

    Avengers by Hickman Complete Collection

    X-Men: Reload (the Chuck Austen run)

    The Many Lives Of Carol Danvers – basically a trade filling the gaps between the Epics they did of Ms Marvel and her later solo series.

    Thor by Jason Aaron v4 OHC

    Steranko Is Revolutionary King size OHC – his Nick Fury run.

    Young Avengers by Gillen and McKelvia complete collection

    Batman Brave and the Bold omnibus v3

    DC Universe by Len Wein

    Sandman Books of Magic Omnibus v1

    Doomsday Clock Complete Collection

    Superman’s Pal Jimmy Olsen by Fraction and Leiber

    Super Sons Expanded Edition

    Super Friends Omnibus 2

    Batman Golden Age Omnibus v9

    DC Through the 80s: The Experiments

    Hercules Unbound

    Absolute Transmet v1

    Nightwing New 52 Omnibus (don’t know why that warrants one, but ok).

    New Teen Titans Omnibus v5

    Wonder Woman Golden Age Omnibus v5

    Superman Golden Age Omnibus v7

    Lucifer Omnibus v2

    Justice League by Scott Snyder Deluxe v2

    EC Archives: Saddle Justice. What a great title.

    Usagi Yojimbo Origins v1 – This is the IDW colouring in of the original Usagi stories. It’s 192, so it’s going to take a quite a while for them to get through all the material Fantagraphics, Mirage and Dark Horse published. (Still no sign of a final UY Saga from Dark Horse to finish their run :negative: )

     

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  • #19368

    I unpacked and disinfected the hardcover of Gillen’s Peter Cannon: Watch.

    I don’t think the pen work suits the oversize edition, but it gave me big positive feels when reading it in digital single issues, so I’m looking forward to reading it in one go.

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  • #19373

    I recently reread that in HC myself. I agree that the art looks chunky and thick in the oversized format but that also helps emphasise the differences with the art change later, so it still works for me.

    I enjoyed it a second time but I think nothing can recapture the process of realisation that you go through as a reader the first time.

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  • #19471

    Prepare to be annoyed…. For Hachette have just put up the listing for the long awaited Uncanny X-Men Omnibus 4:

    COLLECTING:

    UNCANNY X-MEN (1981) 176-193,

    UNCANNY X-MEN ANNUAL (1970) 8,

    KITTY PRYDE AND WOLVERINE (1984) 1-6,

    X-MEN AND ALPHA FLIGHT (1985) 1-2,

    material from MARVEL FANFARE (1982) 40

    So UXM #200?  Have to be in Uncanny X-Men Omnibus 5, coming in…. who knows when?

    No sign as yet of that expected New Mutants Omnibus either.

     

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  • #19477

    Vol 5 has got to be the missing issues of Uncanny (leading up to Mutant Massacre), the return of Jean Grey, and the early issues of X-Factor then. Right?

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  • #19479

    Vol 5 has got to be the missing issues of Uncanny (leading up to Mutant Massacre), the return of Jean Grey, and the early issues of X-Factor then. Right?

    I hope so!  It’d be neat and about the right size.

  • #19495

    Other news, UK online shops status:

    • BooksEtc / Amazon / Wordery / Book Depository – Operating at slower pace
    • SpeedyHen – Temporary close, will reopen at a later date

     

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  • #19497

    Prepare to be annoyed…. For Hachette have just put up the listing for the long awaited Uncanny X-Men Omnibus 4:

    COLLECTING:

    UNCANNY X-MEN (1981) 176-193,

    UNCANNY X-MEN ANNUAL (1970) 8,

    KITTY PRYDE AND WOLVERINE (1984) 1-6,

    X-MEN AND ALPHA FLIGHT (1985) 1-2,

    material from MARVEL FANFARE (1982) 40

    So UXM #200?  Have to be in Uncanny X-Men Omnibus 5, coming in…. who knows when?

    No sign as yet of that expected New Mutants Omnibus either.

     

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    Vol 5 has got to be the missing issues of Uncanny (leading up to Mutant Massacre), the return of Jean Grey, and the early issues of X-Factor then. Right?

    Looks like they’re splitting up Asgardian Wars as well, it was X-Men/Alpha Flight, New Mutants Special (Annual 1, basically) and Uncanny Annual 9

  • #19499

    Looks like they’re splitting up Asgardian Wars as well, it was X-Men/Alpha Flight, New Mutants Special (Annual 1, basically) and Uncanny Annual 9

    Yeah I noticed that too. Slightly unusual choice but I suppose they have an upper limit on the pages and the X-Men/Alpha Flight story is meant to also stand alone.

  • #19501

    Given rather more home time, I’ve taken time to plan some reading material. I’ve been surprised how unavailable omnibuses and similar are, post release.

    Even recent reprints like Daredevil seem to be out of stock and unavailable just over a month from when they got released?

    Are these things like floppies now? Pre-order or pick up the week they come out or its aftermarket prices.

     

     

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  • #19504

    Generally, it’s always been the best strategy to know when an omnibus / OHC is coming out and plan how to get it way in advance.

    Reason being that these editions, especially any by Marvel, can go out of print astonishingly fast.

    Though, this tends to be not the case on mid-tier and less successful material, I recently bagged the Legacy OHC for £5.95

  • #19518

    I’ve been surprised how unavailable omnibuses and similar are, post release.

    It’s always been pretty much that way and with some knowledge of publishing I know why. An omnibus or absolute addition will have:

    1. Very high production costs

    2. Very high storage costs due to size

    3. A limited audience that is willing to shell out circa $100 for a book.

    So basically if they print much beyond obvious demand there’s a real risk of posting heavy losses for the editors involved. So instead they tend to be very conservative in the numbers they put out compared to regular trades with much lower unit costs.

    I’m not saying there isn’t room to improve in how they do it, they could go to 2nd prints faster but I don’t think anything will fundamentally change in these products being essentially designed to never be printed above demand.

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  • #19530

    Just got the second trade of Kieron Gillen’s “Die”. This is such a nerd comic book. It’s about a group of fantasy rpg players whose pen-and-paper round of a game one of them developed himself turned, when they were teens, into reality for them – or more accurately, they were transported to this fantasy world, and had to fight their way out. But one of them was left behind, and years later, as adults, they have to go back now because they find out he’s still alive.

    And so on. You know the drill. But it’s a fun, somewhat meta, fantasy story by Kieran Gillen, who is by turns taking this seriously (with some extremely bleak moments) and just having fun with it. It’s good stuff.

    Also got the third trees, which I have to say I wasn’t exactly expecting to come out anymore :)

  • #19536

    Given rather more home time, I’ve taken time to plan some reading material. I’ve been surprised how unavailable omnibuses and similar are, post release.

    It’s the unavailability of the Epic Collections that bugs me. Most of them are selling out and going out of print incredibly quickly these days. But it’s meant to be Marvel’s “always available” base format for the back catalogue.

  • #19547

    Well, that’s Marvel all over.

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  • #19548

    True enough, for all of my logical defence of the omnibus thing they are rather piss poor at handling their back material anyway compared to the other publishers.

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  • #19629

    Anyone here read Once & Future or The Hero?  Interested in a recommendation on either.

    https://www.comixology.com/Once-Future-Vol-1/digital-comic/834366

    https://smile.amazon.com/dp/1616556706/?coliid=I3QKIQYMRDSF0&colid=1GS88AKFI0KCR&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

  • #19714

    This arrived today.

    Been looking forward to this for a long time, what with all the delays.

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  • #19716

    My copy of Batman: Creature of the Night arrived too, also have the Batman: Universe HC.

  • #19736

    I’ve always heard that Marvel doesn’t like to keep backstock in inventory — probably for the reasons you stated, so they set their print runs close to the pre-order numbers, and that’s why this stuff goes out of print so quickly.

    I would think that they would see that some stuff is going to be evergreen, and attempt to keep it in print.

    And I think that having previous volumes in a series be unavailable would harm the sales of new and future volumes of a series.

  • #19793

    I would think that they would see that some stuff is going to be evergreen, and attempt to keep it in print.

    They really don’t.

  • #20743

    Bought the first softcover “definitive edition” of Queen & Country.

    IMG_20200404_165921_905

    Damned good comics there.
    Theres only one minor downer is the art change in the last third. It’s not a bad switch in terms of quality but the main character, changes from being a normal, average woman to one with a wasp waisted, big busted superhero physique – it’s quite jarring with the real world perspective the book tries to portray.

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  • #20762

    Just got the second trade of Kieron Gillen’s “Die”. This is such a nerd comic book. It’s about a group of fantasy rpg players whose pen-and-paper round of a game one of them developed himself turned, when they were teens, into reality for them – or more accurately, they were transported to this fantasy world, and had to fight their way out. But one of them was left behind, and years later, as adults, they have to go back now because they find out he’s still alive. And so on. You know the drill. But it’s a fun, somewhat meta, fantasy story by Kieran Gillen, who is by turns taking this seriously (with some extremely bleak moments) and just having fun with it. It’s good stuff. Also got the third trees, which I have to say I wasn’t exactly expecting to come out anymore :)

    Isakai and RPG-lit is big in Japan. The idea of getting sucked into the world of a fantasy RPG usually tops the lists of the most popular anime, manga and light novels over there while here it is still very niche.

    However, the original D&D Saturday morning cartoon was exactly that. A group of kids playing D&D get transported magically into the world of the game. Whoever is in charge of rebooting D&D on film would be an idiot not to go in that direction.

    I caught up with Warren Ellis’ THE WILD STORM TPB #4. It’s fascinating but, like how he tried to reboot Marvel’s New Universe, is more about ideas than story (characters and action). His CEMETERY BEACH has some similar ideas and more action, but nothing he’s written lately has been much different and definitely no better than what he wrote a decade ago.

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  • #20766

    Queen & Country.

    If you decide to read the whole run don’t overlook the novels.

    The first goes between trades 7 and 8 I think and the next two are after the comics end but tie some significant plots and character arcs.

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  • #20771

    I caught up with Warren Ellis’ THE WILD STORM TPB #4. It’s fascinating but, like how he tried to reboot Marvel’s New Universe, is more about ideas than story (characters and action).

    I think that’s deliberate in many ways. The original run was touted as the originator of widescreen comics, everything was huge in scope and double paged. It’s rippling muscles and striking designs.

    The reboot is the exact opposite, it’s really small and internalised. Stuff happens in bedrooms, nobody outside the groups involved really knows anything is going in, it’s a spy story in many ways.

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  • #20795

    SpeedyHen have reopened, with a limit of 1 book per order.

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  • #20974

    Button Man: Get Harry Ex

    Although I’d heard people talk for years about Button Man as being one of the high points of 2000AD’s output, it wasn’t until a recent conversation here about Arthur Ranson that I finally got the push I needed to check it out. And I’m glad I did, as I really enjoyed it and read through it very quickly. It deserves its reputation.
    What I found most interesting about it was the extent to which Ranson’s stunning art dictates the feel of the book. You could have this same script drawn by a more cartoonish illustrator and it would feel like a completely different comic – it wouldn’t take much to turn this story (about hired hit-men competing in a killing game for the pleasure of their rich backers) into a big, brash, outlandish action-fest featuring ridiculously exaggerated beefy tough-guy characters, a range of lazy stereotypes, and a raft of impossible action sequences. And some of the non-Ranson covers and illustrations collected at the back of this volume bear that out.
    But with Ranson as artist, the whole thing gains a much more grounded, realistic texture that turns it from what could have been yet another cartoonishly violent crime comic into something that feels more akin to a gritty 1970s thriller like Get Carter or Death Wish (Charles Bronson even gets a cheeky cameo here, among a few famous faces seemingly used as reference).
    Ranson’s detailed, textured art gives everything a lived-in, kitchen-sink quality that makes the characters feel like real people you could meet and makes the locations feel like places you almost feel you recognise. Whether it’s the UK environs of the first story or the more US-based locales of the second and third stories collected here, everything – the houses, the cars, the weapons, the people – feels so detailed and true-to-life that you feel like they could step off the page.
    I haven’t talked about Wagner’s writing much yet, but it’s a solidly-written story that moves at a pace and feels like it has very little fat on it. And unlike some collections of weekly 2000AD short strips, there isn’t a stop-start quality to it due to its episodic nature – it all flows really well when collected as a whole, and you can’t see the seams. I’d struggle to pick out where one episode ended and the next began for most of this book.
    And unlike some successful strips that return for follow-ups, the second and third stories collected here are pretty much just as good as the first. While the US setting of the sequels is a little jarring at first, it actually works to set the follow-ups apart from the first story, with all three having their own strengths and being enjoyable in their own right. So at a little over £12 for three great stories, this represents excellent value.
    It’s at this point that I have to ask about the fourth story, with Frazer Irving on art, which isn’t collected here. Is it worth picking up? Or is it only going to detract from what is a pretty perfect trilogy as it stands?
    Or to put it another way, is it Toy Story 4, or is it Kingdom Of the Crystal Skull?
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  • #20987

    I haven’t talked about Wagner’s writing much yet, but it’s a solidly-written story that moves at a pace and feels like it has very little fat on it

    This really is the skill that Wagner has. None of his stories are overtly clever or show off at all, he just has comics storytelling completely nailed down. I was discussing with Bruce the last run he did on Strontium Dog and in many ways you could argue it was just a fairly standard sci-fi adventure strip but along with Carlos Ezquerra (rest in peace) it just struck me how beautifully formed it was. Compared to all the other strips, many I liked a lot, they just didn’t have anywhere near the clarity of storytelling those two.

    In a lot of comics there are clunky bits that don’t flow, or a bad piece of dialogue or confusion over what’s going on, never in a Wagner comic.

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  • #20994

    In a lot of comics there are clunky bits that don’t flow, or a bad piece of dialogue or confusion over what’s going on, never in a Wagner comic.

    I don’t have much experience of Wagner’s writing as I’ve only dipped in and out of 2000AD over the years, but this book definitely exemplifies what you’re saying here. The plot and action are always totally clear, you’re never lost or confused and so you stay totally engaged throughout.

    He knows when to stay ‘quiet’ and let the art carry the story too. I don’t know how tightly he writes and how much latitude Ranson had to choreograph the action but it all feels very clear and there’s a strong sense of exactly where people and things are in relation to each other. Again it helps to make it feel cinematic and really move.

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  • #21003

    By all accounts I’ve heard on the 2000ad Thrillcast his scripts are very sparse but artists seem to love getting them. That probably reflects in the ‘no fat’ aspect.

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  • #21045

    So has anyone read the fourth story? Worth a look? I like Irving’s art but I imagine it would be quite a contrast to Ranson.

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  • #21057

    So has anyone read the fourth story? Worth a look? I like Irving’s art but I imagine it would be quite a contrast to Ranson.

    The fourth book is good but its not at the same standard as the Ranson ones. Worth reading but with the caveat that I’d agree with the decision not to include it in the edition you posted about.

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  • #21059

    So has anyone read the fourth story? Worth a look? I like Irving’s art but I imagine it would be quite a contrast to Ranson.

    Read it a long time ago, Bruce’s assessment sounds right.

    It’s rare to read a bad Wagner comic, but sometimes you get a merely very good one.

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  • #21060

    a solidly-written story that moves at a pace

    Typical Wagner. Though, another thing that may help the first part keep the relentless pace is the fact it was originally written to be published one page at a time (i can’t remember where
    but I’m certain it says that in the intro to the first volume I’ve got).

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  • #21062

    Oh, I wasn’t aware of that. Interesting.

  • #21068

    You’ll notice in the legalese in the volume that unlike 99% of 2000ad products it is creator owned. It was meant to appear in Toxic but after Ranson had got as far as drawing 6 episodes when the editorial team decided they didn’t want it. In truth it’s very atypical of what was in that comic so I’m not sure how it got that far. Ranson in the foreword though to the original printing doesn’t seem to agree with Bruce.

    “Button Man was originally written for a British creator-run comic called Toxic. Its policy was to be as controversial and “in your face” as the name implies. My lawyer, if I had one, would advise that the less said about my relationship with the comic, the better. After I had drawn sixe seven page episodes, Toxic decided not to publish my work.”

    “Button Man was published in seven-page episodes, but from the first we thought of it as a graphic novel, and I certainly made no concessions to its serialisation in layout or timing. In fact I was drawing it to split anywhere, seven, twelve or even one-page instalments, if it had to be divided.”

    The latter paragraph probably what Bruce is remembering.

     

  • #21069

    In truth it’s very atypical of what was in that comic so I’m not sure how it got that far.

    It also seems pretty atypical for 2000AD – is that fair? I’m used to there being some kind of strong sci-fi, fantasy or horror angle to 2000AD stories, but this is a more grounded story that could happen in our world.

  • #21074

    Ranson in the foreword though to the original printing doesn’t seem to agree with Bruce.

    What the hell does Ranson know? I mean its not as thought I’ll have mis-remembered the foreword from a book I’ve packed away in storage. Is it…? 🤦‍♂️

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  • #21078

    It also seems pretty atypical for 2000AD – is that fair?

    Yes. Especially at the time. I think nowadays they are a bit bolder in running a less sci-fi/fantasy strip if it’s good enough but it’s hard to think of much beyond Button Man that doesn’t have a fantastical element in there somewhere. Probably why Wagner and Ranson didn’t take it to them to begin with even though they were both working there.

    With Toxic I don’t know what they were expecting, the comic was pretty short lived, it lasted only 7 months so it’s likely they were working on it before anyone saw an issue. It was mainly like 2000ad but dialled up to 11 on bad taste and shock value.

  • #21080

    I remember Crisis but I don’t think I ever read Toxic.

  • #21091

    Put it like this, Marshall Law was one the subtler strips in the book.

    One called ‘The Driver’ just had 6 pages, no dialogue, of a five mile long truck carrying toxic waste mowing down an entire town in graphic detail because the brakes had failed.

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  • #21092

    In fairness, if Geof Darrow drew something like that I’d probably love it.

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  • #21098

    Sadly it was less Geoff Darrow and more Darrow County Primary School.

     

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  • #21590

    I Hate Fairyland book 2

    pretty much more of the same as volume 1, although Young is wise enough to know that it’s not a concept with long legs and so starts to build towards a conclusion from the start of this second OHC, wrapping everything up by the end.

    It’s perfectly decent, but not particularly deep and I can’t see it holding much appeal for repeat readings. I had hoped the ending would surprise me more rather than going for the fairly obvious option of “Gert gets home and realises the real world sucks”, but at least it only took 20 issues to get there, long before the joke ran thin.

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  • #21714

    Batman: Creature of the Night HC

    Having always loved Kurt Busiek and Stuart Immonen’s Superman: Secret Identity, I was keen to see how this Batman-based counterpart turned out – but wanted to wait until the whole series was complete so I could read it through in one go.

    Now that the HC is finally out, I was surprised to discover that, aside from some conceptual similarities (this story revolves around a kid in a more real world than the DCU who is aware of Batman as a comics character and who shares his name – well almost, this is Bruce Wainwright), this and Secret Identity are very different types of story altogether.

    While the Superman book was all about growing up and coming to terms with yourself as a person and your own sense of identity, this is a slightly less universal and accessible story about the child of murdered parents growing up and being unable to live a well-balanced life, ultimately willing into existence a version of Batman who in many ways acts as the monster of the story.

    I don’t want to say much more than that, as there are some interesting twists and turns here that are best left unspoiled, but it all makes for a slightly less accessible read than the Superman series – albeit one that still works well enough on its own terms.

    Busiek being the thoughtful writer of superhero comics that he is, he finds a lot to mine from the story concept. There are some interesting musings here on Batman and his character and how it has evolved over the years; on the healthiness (or not) of Batman as an adolescent power fantasy, both for readers and for himself; and on what the character represents in terms of our psychological urges.

    There are also plenty of cute touches throughout for Batman fans. As well as this story featuring an Alfred, a Robin and a Gordon of its very own (among other characters) there are also occasional fun references to specific Batman comics or movies that help to set this clearly apart from an in-universe Batman comic.

    But it also tilts fairly heavily towards the supernatural and fantastical, so it isn’t like it’s hugely grounded either. This is just an alternate world that allows for a fresh take on Batman in a more psychologically plausible context.

    It’s a world that’s brought to life very well by John Paul Leon’s art, which drips with atmosphere and darkness with its heavy inks and thick lines. That’s not to say it isn’t precise and detailed when it needs to be, but it’s a style that allows for a lot of oppressive darkness and black areas when necessary, and it serves Busiek’s story well. Batman here is a suitably demonic and imposing figure, and some of the compositions of him against the city backdrop (Boston, here, rather than Gotham) are pretty stunning.

    This regular-sized HC collects all four issues of the series along with some nice bonus material in the form of a short afterword that includes the original series pitch, and also some penciled and inked pages of art and cover roughs.

    While as a whole it didn’t blow me away like Secret Identity did, it’s still a very polished and well-conceived story that approaches Batman in a fresh and original way and actually has something to say about the character. I’m glad I picked it up.

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  • #21919

    League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen IV: The Tempest HC

    Having read this series as it came out and having also picked up the hardcover when it came out late last year, I’ve been waiting for the right moment to plough through it all in one go. And a quiet Easter Monday turned out to be the perfect opportunity.

    This book is maybe the densest series of LOEG yet – despite being only six issues long it took me many hours to read today – but it’s also one of the most satisfying. Pretty much every major thread of the series is addressed in some way, and the whole thing builds and builds to such a climax of successive climaxes that it’s hard to imagine a way in which it could have gone out any bigger.

    The flipside of that is that it would be borderline impenetrable for a newcomer, and can be pretty difficult to keep track of even for a fan. Certainly it was in individual issues at least, with the long gaps leading me to lose the thread of one or two of the subplots a little bit. Thankfully though it all joins up a lot more clearly when read as a single volume.

    What I like about LOEG is that it’s always been unashamed pulp-y fun, and there’s some brilliantly silly and funny stuff here that can’t fail to raise a smile (Moore’s keen sense of humour is sorely underrated). And there’s also some formal experimentation that pulls the book in multiple different directions, with each issue apeing a different type of British comic. It feels like a return to the ethos of the Black Dossier book after the relatively ‘straight’ Century and Nemo trilogies.

    O’Neill’s art is spectacular too, sometimes cramming the panels with cameos and gags and references, sometimes perfectly playing up to the joke (as with the scene-stealing appearance at one point of a character called Infinity) and sometimes providing genuinely spectacular visuals for big moments of action and incident, especially when aided by dazzling 3-D effects that really do enhance the reading experience and serve as far more than just a gimmick (and are very well executed – this works better to my eyes than most 3-D I’ve seen).

    As Moore and O’Neill’s swansong, this was always going to be a somewhat bittersweet book, but they manage to make it feel more like euphoria than eulogy; a celebration of their careers, of LOEG and of comics in general, rather than just a curtain call and a farewell.

    And this smart HC is a fitting format for that final celebration, collecting every single piece of content from the singles – the covers, the potted histories of famous creators, the back-cover pin-ups, the letters pages, even the barcodes – along with a short epilogue story that’s unique to this hardcover volume and caps everything off very nicely.

    It’s also one of the few books for which I went out of my way to get a signed copy. And I’m glad I did – not only is it a lovely little bookplate, but it’s also nice to have a special version of a book that marks the end of two great comics careers.

    Until their next comic, anyway…

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  • #22225

    A couple of new arrivals today:

    Sara has been on my list for a while, and it’s a nice big oversized softcover.

    And I’ve never read Rising Stars but I found that the first couple of TPBs were dirt cheap online so I thought I’d give it a shot.

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  • #22228

    Sara has been on my list for a while, and it’s a nice big oversized softcover.

    That cover says SDRD.

    Let us (me) know if it’s any good, I’m always keen on anything written by Ennis.

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  • #22232

    Sara has been on my list for a while, and it’s a nice big oversized softcover.

    That cover says SDRD.

    Let us (me) know if it’s any good, I’m always keen on anything written by Ennis.

    I read the first issue when they made it available for free and I really enjoyed it (it’s still free on TKO’s website if you want to have a look). Epting’s art doesn’t hurt either, it’s as good here as it was in Velvet.

    The only reason it’s taken me this long to get around to reading it is that TKO’s distribution for physical books has been a little patchy outside the US.

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  • #22263

    Sara is brilliant. I enjoy all of Ennis’ war stories, but this is one of my favourites. Very well done, with a cracking ending.

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  • #22266

    Very well done, with a cracking ending.

    Sold!

    Speaking of cracking endings, did anyone catch Punisher: Soviet by Ennis? I really, really, really loved the ending. Not only the skinning, but the drink at the end was really fitting. I don’t care that it breaks Ennis own continuity (Frank shared a bottle of whiskey with his mate from the SAS in the Man of Stone arc in Punisher: Max), it was so damn well done anyway. Ennis is the definitive Punisher writer, and it is going to take years and near-miracles for someone to take that away from him.

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  • #22304

    The last issue of Punisher: Soviet is one of those books Diamond decided not to supply to comic book stores in the UK. So, unfortunately I still haven’t read it. I did order a copy from the US, which is on its way, but who knows when that will arrive given current circumstances.

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  • #22307

    I’m in that same boat with a couple of books from late March. I haven’t yet taken the step of ordering from the US but I might give it a try if they don’t come through to the UK soon.

  • #22316

    Oh shit guys, sorry. I hope I didn’t spoil too much.

  • #22322

    No probs, Anders.

    There were a lot of great books due out that last week of March. It would have been far better if they had shipped before the shut down, so that everyone was on a level playing field globally.

    I was due to pick up something like 8 or 9 books that week. I ordered 4 of them from the US, at a premium with international shipping; but, I wasn’t going to miss out on the last issues of Soviet and Curse of the White Knight, for example.

    I’ll pick up the rest (and extra copies of the ones I ordered online too) from my local, if it ever reopens. Sadly, there’s no guarantee of that.

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  • #22328

    Where did you order from Vikram?

  • #22344

    http://www.mycomicshop.com

    I’ve bought stuff from them before and never had any problems, which is more than can be said for some of my eBay purchases.

    I also bought a few back issues that I wanted in order to justify the international shipping cost. It’s not ridiculously expensive, but it’s enough to make you question yourself. That’s why I only did it for a couple of guaranteed winners, rather than everything on my shopping list.

  • #22348

    Ah yeah I’ve used them a lot over the years. They’ve always provided a very good service. And they’re usually pretty reasonably priced.

    I tend to do the same as you and save up a few things in my basket to buy all at once to justify the shipping costs.

  • #22360

    I’ll pick up the rest (and extra copies of the ones I ordered online too) from my local, if it ever reopens. Sadly, there’s no guarantee of that.

    Sad news but can’t say I’m surprised – Cartoon Shop was always going to be hard hit by this.

  • #22437

    It’s not a done deal, Ben. The last time I spoke to him John said he would try to stay open for as long as he can. But, who knows right? When will he be allowed to reopen? When will deliveries restart? Will any of his customers (other than me, obviously) come back?

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    Ben
  • #22445

    I think maybe a positive thing is most of the plans for phased lifting of lockdowns I’ve seen are starting with small shops below a certain amount of square feet, to avoid the kind of big crowds we see at shopping malls etc. Those have been proposed in Poland, France and Germany so far.

    That should include all the comic shops if that approach is taken in the UK. There’s probably only 2 I can think of that could be counted as at all large (Forbidden Planet Shaftsbury Ave and Nostalgia and Comics) and they are pretty small relative to most chain stores.

    I’m a little concerned that all the funds raised from #creators4comics though are going to a US only charity, even from the overseas creators.  I hope the stores in places like the UK and Australia aren’t completely overlooked. They seem to be raising a decent amount of cash especially after some Hollywood comic fans like Lindelof and Patton Oswalt have chimed in and bids are in the thousands on single items.

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  • #22521

    Reading Justice these days.

    I like Alex Ross, but are all Ross’ material redeemed
    by his artwork? Kingdom Come, some of the Paul Dini tabloid
    material and now I am reading Justice.

    Does his artwork make up for that much?

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  • #22541

    I finally got round to reading Planet Hulk in OHC. It is a page turner of an epic storyline, but funnily enough reading it in one hit robs it of something, I think. The Hulk’s journey from slave to gladiator to resistance fighter to king seems too short and truncated in just 14 parts. Read in real time over the course of a year, I think it would be far more effective.

    Greg Pak’s story is very plot driven, and a little light on meaningful characterisation. I recognise that some of this was deliberate, as the focus was on the Hulk finally being let off the leash to smash his way across the planet. However it left me feeling detached from what was happening to him, and just biding my time until the next inevitable plot twist. Still, it was fun in a summer blockbuster kinda way.

    The artwork by Pagulayan, Lopresti, and Frank held together  nicely, with a consistent and cohesive look across all the artists.

    The OHC was also quite impressive, with lovely thick paper. Unfortunately the end paper and back cover has come detached from the main book, so it will need a repair at some point in time.

    I followed that up with re-reading World War Hulk for the first time since it was originally published (my first time in the OHC edition). It works a lot better as a sequel to Planet Hulk than it does as a standalone summer event. With all the heavy lifting of what, why and how covered by the earlier story, you can just sit back and enjoy the fireworks.

    John Romita Jr and Klaus Janson are astonishing on this book. Their artwork is suitably epic and larger than life. The Hulk has never looked so imposing and the beat downs he gives the other heroes along the way are suitably earth shattering. The work looks especially good in the larger format of the OHC, with Christina Strain’s gorgeous colouring popping off the page.

    The OHC is rounded off with a couple of great, insightful interviews with both Pak and Romita Jr. It’s a great package overall.

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  • #22547

    I remember quite enjoying World War Hulk at the time for the art, although the story was a little bit lost on me as I hadn’t read Planet Hulk beforehand.

    My main memory of it was that it used a sound effect that included the word “bathroom” in it.

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  • #22558

    a sound effect that included the word “bathroom” in it.

    Not only that, it says “krakk a bathroom”, I guess “krakk” is just like “crack” but very, very loud.

     

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  • #22559

    In fairness the Hulk has form.

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  • #22573

    Reading Justice these days.

    I like Alex Ross, but are all Ross’ material redeemed
    by his artwork? Kingdom Come, some of the Paul Dini tabloid
    material and now I am reading Justice.

    Does his artwork make up for that much?

    I found Braithwaite made the bigger impact on the art for Justice.  Ross’ colours are good but its the former’s imagery that makes it fly.

    The superhero one-shots with Dini are excellent single character examinations, where Ross’ can really go all out in the painting.

    Ross has worked with skilled writers who know how to best use his skills – Busiek, Waid, Dini, is quite the set of collaborators.

    It’s not a done deal, Ben. The last time I spoke to him John said he would try to stay open for as long as he can. But, who knows right? When will he be allowed to reopen? When will deliveries restart? Will any of his customers (other than me, obviously) come back?

    Thanks Vik.  Years ago circumstances stopped my buying monthlies and then later, when they receded? I just never restarted and that’s the challenge for the local comic shops. I don’t know what the answer is.

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  • #22673

    A couple of new arrivals today:

    Sara has been on my list for a while, and it’s a nice big oversized softcover.

    And I’ve never read Rising Stars but I found that the first couple of TPBs were dirt cheap online so I thought I’d give it a shot.

    Oh, where did you nab Sara from?

  • #22680

    Picked it up from FP.com, it was still a bit pricey at £14.99 but I was buying other stuff too which mitigated the extra postage cost that would have been added to it on its own.

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  • #22697

    A couple more lockdown reads arrived today.

    The second volume of Rising Stars, and Unstable Molecules which has been on my to-read list for years now.

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  • #22732

    I may need to reread Rising Stars at some point. In my memory, it was very, very good at some points but didn’t quite become great in the end. (Plus, the art really wasn’t my cup of tea – too nineties Top Cow.) It’ll be interesting to hear what you say when you’ve read the entire thing.

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  • #22758

    The finale of Rising Stars had Brent Anderson on art, so any accusations of flashy 90’s art can be forgotten about when you get to the third act.

    I remember liking Midnight Nation a whole lot more.

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  • #22770

    Midnight Nation is nicely contained so it doesn’t suffer the usual JMS drop off in interest towards the end.

    They were all really exciting books when they started though, his early 2000s stuff. Has anyone read his more recent work? I didn’t want to take the risk due to his poor record in finishing projects (or finishing them well).

  • #22774

    I read the first issue of his new Resistance book. It’s ok but it suffers from having to set up an entire line of books and doesn’t really have much in terms of story or characters to get hold of yet. Deodato’s art is quite nice though.

    It’s partly what spurred me to check out Rising Stars for the first time, and also to reread this, which I just picked up again:

    Resistance is broadly a similar concept of lots of super-powered people emerging into a realistic world, so it’s interesting to compare these variations on a theme from the same writer.

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  • #22779

    Ten Grand was very good. A spiritual successor to Midnight Nation.

    Apocalypse Al was alright, but it was played for laughs, and JMS isn’t really funny.

    His Terminator: Salvation was actually quite good for a throwaway tie in series.

    A little older, but his short run on the Brave & Bold is probably the best thing he did at DC, by far.

    Edited to add: he didn’t leave any of his latest Joe’s Comics hanging. All of those concluded their initial “seasons” before he walked away from comics. Sidekick; Dream Police; Protectors, Inc. I have them all in my unread ComiXology pile

  • #22783

    How you do decide what trades to display in your bookshelves. I assume most of you, like me, have a lot of TPBs and HCs; if you’re like me, you have TOO many TPBs and HCs, certainly more than you can fit in your bookcase. So which books make the cut? Do you display your copies of WATCHMEN and KINGDOM COME because they are considered masterpieces? Or do you display your entire collection of THE WALKING DEAD because, well, you f*@#king loved that series?

    Personally, I have about three shelves devoted to the books of Mike Mignola, including the Hellboy Library Editions, all the BPRD and Abe Sapien HCs, and various other TPBs, prose paperbacks and hardcovers. I also have half a shelf of Brubaker/Phillips HCs, and another half-shelf of HCs collecting Jack Kirby’s 1970s work at DC. But for one reason or another, my collection of books for other titles that I’m always raving about (Savage Dragon and various WildStorm books, for example) are still sitting in boxes in my basement. I suspect it is because those collections are incomplete, because the publishers didn’t bother to put all the printed issues into TPB or HC format.

    Probably overthinking this waaaaay too much, but I’m curious how the rest of you deal with this.

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  • #22785

    This conversation needs photos, Jerry. :rose:

    My shelves are arranged so that my favourite creators are most easily accessible, so mostly Moore, Miller and Morrison (who almost fill a bookcase on their own). There’s also a separate Brubaker/Phillips shelf that has a few other bits and pieces on it too.

    Then I have a load of other shelves dotted around the house for various bits and pieces by a wider range of creators, including a couple of shelves for my ‘to-read’ pile that seems to endlessly expand.

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  • #22788

    Easy peasy Jerry. Build more bookcases. I just so happen to know a girl who’s a dab hand at making bookshelves from various odds and ends. There were also other attempts at carpentry but we don’t talk about that. If you’re still at a loss for space: chop up all non-essential furniture and make more shelves. You can always lounge around on beanbags or cushions or something. Kitchen cupboards too full of pots and pans – hang them from the ceiling.

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  • #22790

    My shelves are organised by creator, by trim size, by character, chronologically.

    For example, all the Brian Azzarello books are on the same shelf; within that Batman/ Deathblow, Luther, and Joker are all next to each other, before Broken City, First Wave, and so on.

    But, it almost doesn’t matter. I also have doors on my cupboards to protect them from the sunshine, and the grubby mitts of curious visitors and children :)

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  • #22803

    Seems like there’s copies of the Batman Last Knight on Earth HC floating around – Amazon / BD are flogging it for around £18.

    Might be SpeedyHen is able to nab a few too.

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