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To be fair I don’t think anyone is in favour of abortion. Whatever angle you come from it’s the worst method of birth control.
Like prohibition though it won’t just not stop sex, it won’t stop abortion, it’ll make it back room and more dangerous for all.
Imagining women or even men will just keep the pants on is a pipe dream. It’s never actually happened, if you study history or read Victorian literature it is filled with ‘siblings’ and ‘cousins’ that are really children disguised by paperwork.
Controlling societal behaviour primarily via the legal system doesn’t have much to back it up as very successful. The US imprisons more people than any other country, you’d imagine therefore it would have the lowest violent crime or drug use rates, it falls far short.
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Imagining women or even men will just keep the pants on is a pipe dream.
I am afraid that illegal procedures involving coat hangers in dark isolated rooms will make a comeback.
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Agreed Al. They will.
In truth it’ll likely be a bit more sophisticated now than the 50s and 60s. Someone will make a lot of untaxable money smuggling the right drugs in, mixed with gin or whatever, basically no different end result but a less regulated approach.
It’ll be my mantra, you cannot make societal change via the legal system. Politicians swear you can and are proven wrong time after time.
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Also, banning abortion won’t stop people from having sex any more than Prohibition stopped people from drinking.
This, the things that are proven to reduce abortion rates are access to contraceptives, comprehensive and open sex education, and good healthcare – especially maternity care and paternity support. Banning abortion just increases septicemia rates and will cause the US’ abyssal maternity fatality rates to get even worse.
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Oh fuck these people. Regardless of wether I agree with the rules, really I have respect for people following corona rules, but when some politician makes these types of rules and then breaks them…that’s the lowest of the low.
San Francisco Mayor Breed at nightclub without mask, report says – Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)
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It’s always the same weird combo in the US of wanting to ban both abortion and birth control. Clearly many believe Every Sperm Is Sacred…. or it’s a load of blokes not happy about women having sex.
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The commotion about what Milley may or may not have done around this January 6th business is interesting. Right wingers claim to be angry about Milley not following the “chain of command”, going against the president and negotiating things with China around the president’s back, and possibly even taking away Trump’s control of the nuclear launch codes, according to who you believe.
Yeah, I mean, if anyone seriously challenged them and just say “so, you would’ve been okay with a nuclear war” then a few of them would have shut up about it.
Honestly, that is the most interesting element of the story. Our military leaders here are still so paranoid and driven by M.A.D. thinking even 60 years after the Cuban Missile Crisis that a nuclear war is still a very serious risk. It feels like that’s a much more significant story here than anything to do with Trump.
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The whole “would you press the nuclear button” gotcha question to politicians is reflective of this macho mindset.
Anyone with any sanity will do everything possible to not get near to ever having to press the button.
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The whole “would you press the nuclear button” gotcha question to politicians is reflective of this macho mindset.
Anyone with any sanity will do everything possible to not get near to ever having to press the button.
“He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
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It is somewhat funny, but we were watching the documentary series Slow Burn about the many crazy and forgotten details of the fall of Richard Nixon, and it starts Martha Mitchell wife of John Mitchell who Nixon appointed as Attorney General. She was kinda surprised that Nixon could just appoint his best friend to a major government office blatantly in return for his aid with the campaign. “What about his qualifications?” she asked.
My response was, “well, to be honest, John Mitchell was more qualified to be Attorney General than Nixon was to be president.”
That is where almost every hierarchical organization breaks down. What are the qualifications to be a decision maker and does the organization develop good decision makers? The overt qualification to be president is that they win elections. However, there are few qualifications to vote and to win elections a candidate needs to be able to raise money and to be able to sabotage his opponents.
In Slow Burn, there is a big section where Nixon’s dirty tricks wing of his campaign – already with the strangely revealing acronym C.R.E.E.P. – would run sabotage on all the Democratic candidates except McGovern because Nixon knew that he could beat McGovern but maybe not Hubert Humphrey or Edmund Muskie.
However, the qualifications a person needs to win elections – a mass of people voting for you, raising money and frankly lying a lot – are certainly not the sort of qualifications the job of actual good government requires. In fact, probably closer to the exact opposite.
So, as a reward to the winning candidate, here is the power to essentially destroy the world. We should just give all the presidents, senators and legislators trophies, tell them to sit in the office and let some actual adults keep the trains on time. Unfortunately, every organization chooses its leaders in at least as perverse a process so even the unelected officials and the bureaucracy that grows up as a result are as bass-ackwards.
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Also, banning abortion won’t stop people from having sex any more than Prohibition stopped people from drinking.
It also won’t stop women from having abortions; sadly, it will just make it more dangerous, difficult, and expensive than having access to legal procedures performed by qualified medical people.
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And replace them with what?
Don’t replace them.
They were only necessary for a World War and as a result they’ve kept us on a military footing for another world war ever since. The idea that these institutions are or should be permanent is a decades old social sickness and one that consumes a vast majority of the nation’s – and the people’s – treasure. Also, it means that the power of government is held by those departments and institutions that are not elected, not representative and in many cases entirely invisible to any democratic oversight while even the power to go to war which should only be held by our representatives is often decided entirely by officials not answerable to the people and often working with private interests profiting from war.
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In other news, to celebrate Britain’s freedom from the EU, Imperial measures will return!
First it was blue passports, now this bollocks. Next it’ll be banana liberation.
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Woohoo
Because we all loved memorising the 12 and 16 times tables at school.
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Though I wonder if being forced to deal with that stupidity on a daily basis meant we were better at mental arithmetic as a nation than we are now? Somebody ought to study that…
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And you’re talking to who here Arjan?
Or is it just blatant shit stirring?
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Might have been better in the pictures thread.
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I think it’s a fair political statement.
It is and it isn’t. Like it’s worthwhile having a healthy distrust of your government because unchecked power is a dangerous thing. But the idea that you can never trust your government is libertarian claptrap.
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It is and it isn’t. Like it’s worthwhile having a healthy distrust of your government because unchecked power is a dangerous thing. But the idea that you can never trust your government is libertarian claptrap.
In a sense, trust should not be relevant to government. It is a legal creation that should be open and transparent to the governed. No one needs to trust the government or should distrust the government if it is following the laws and rules of its foundation and under public oversight that will reasonably catch and correct any violations.
It’s when that’s not the case that distrust and suspicion naturally arises. In some cases warranted and in others, often, it is misguided. I wouldn’t say there is any more need for trust in government than trust in anything else more relevant to our lives like grocery stores and restaurants. There are government regulations on the food we eat, but there are also many violations of those regulations that the government will never catch. However, we don’t often worry about it because reasonably the people selling and making our food know that if they don’t do their jobs and especially if they actually poison somebody, then they will go out of business (and maybe go to jail).
It’s when people or government agencies can get away with violations of the law or with unfairly harming people without any consequences that distrust starts to grow.
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No fan of McConnell, but anyone Trump picks to oust him would undoubtedly be worse. The man is allergic to competence.
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In a sense, trust should not be relevant to government. It is a legal creation that should be open and transparent to the governed.
It should be, but it never is. A tiny proportion of the government’s process is open to scrutiny. Meetings occur on a daily basis behind closed doors that we will never know the content of. My feeling is that that every government meeting, from the Cabinet down, should be recorded and instantly accessible to any voter. And yes the counter argument is “national security blah blah”, and yes that’s a valid concern, but in reality what portion of government business involves talking about the disposition of our nuclear fleet or whatever? (And any nation that wants to know our defence secrets probably already knows them anyway.)
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No fan of McConnell, but anyone Trump picks to oust him would undoubtedly be worse. The man is allergic to competence.
Trump is an idiot. This is petty, vindictive and an incredibly stupid waste of time. McConnell is a terrible human, but basically all the things Trump managed are because of McConnell. All the Supreme Court appointments. All the lower court appointments. Hell, Trump likely avoided conviction from the insurrection impeachment because McConnell was content to let him slide on it (probably the dumbest move McConnell ever made).
Add to that, the Senate isn’t the House where you can very easily see lots of turnover and the rise of a bunch of Trump kooks. McConnell has spent damn near 40 years in the Senate building relationships and consolidating his power and influence. But I suppose I’m happy enough to see Trump try it. Let the GOP waste time and money on infighting.
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Mark Hamill is a treasure:
Yesterday's so-called "Justice For January 6th" Rally was a complete flop. I've seen bigger crowds at meetings of the Star Wars Holiday Special Fan Club. pic.twitter.com/uv0BSVE5sn
— Mark Hamill (Mar🐫) (@HamillHimself) September 19, 2021
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It’s hazy for me how the Pentagon and the military leadership are different entities. Nevertheless I think all these institutions have power that can possibly control the president.
Just to quickly remove any level of security anyone may feel. There is no check that can prevent a sitting President ordering a nuclear strike, he can do it on his own with a phone call and immediately actioned by missile command.
Radiolab did a great episode on it interviewing one of them who was in charge of the launch controls.
The issue is that if Russia decided to launch first there’s 20 minutes before they reach the US. So in order to give a retaliatory attack it has to be initiated within minutes, so the system has the President able to give the codes and they fire there and then.
The fascinating one in the UK is ‘the letter’. Britain’s nuclear arsenal is all kept offshore in nuclear submarines and nobody knows where they are at any given time. So even if the country has been destroyed the arsenal remains active. At which point the captains read the letter, which is the first action of a PM when place in office to write, which says to launch back or not.
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I saw this on Instagram and thought of Lorcan:
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In “fool for a client” news:
U.S. judge allows accused Capitol rioter to act as own attorney
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So the complete sham of an audit in AZ is releasing results today, but the draft is already out there and shows just how much of a waste of time and money we all knew it would be. It found no evidence of fraud and even had a vote count with 99 more votes for Biden. Next up we get to find out where the Trumpers will move the goalposts to next.
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So the complete sham of an audit in AZ is releasing results today, but the draft is already out there and shows just how much of a waste of time and money we all knew it would be. It found no evidence of fraud and even had a vote count with 99 more votes for Biden. Next up we get to find out where the Trumpers will move the goalposts to next.
The goalposts are being moved to Texas: Texas county officials call election audits an unnecessary partisan ploy while voicing confidence in 2020 results
I fucking hate Republicans.
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And, of course, they’re only “auditing” counties Trump lost. Because Republicans are shamelessly pathetic. Texas already got their voter supression bill, but the GOP isn’t content until they burn it all to the ground. What an enormous waste of time and money. How I wish it would actually be possible for this shit to backfire in Texas. I know it won’t because they’ll gerrymander, suppress and outright cheat if possible…but a guy can dream.
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A “righteous strike” against terrorists… oh, wait, sorry, innocent children and families.
Pentagon Acknowledges Drone Strike Killed Afghan Civilians : NPR
Pentagon reverses itself, calls deadly Kabul strike an error (apnews.com)
Why did we go to war? One started by a Republican president and escalated by a Democratic president – somewhat the reverse of Vietnam that started under Kennedy and really got going under Nixon.
This might explain why we kept with it even after all political will had left:
Military contractors and the profits of war – Marketplace
War is such a racket and we seem to fall for it every time. The Iraq War had the biggest anti-war protests across the world, but you didn’t see that reported on the news, and despite all the opposition, it still went forward.
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A “righteous strike” against terrorists… oh, wait, sorry, innocent children and families.
Pentagon Acknowledges Drone Strike Killed Afghan Civilians : NPR
Pentagon reverses itself, calls deadly Kabul strike an error (apnews.com)
Why did we go to war? One started by a Republican president and escalated by a Democratic president – somewhat the reverse of Vietnam that started under Kennedy and really got going under Nixon.
This might explain why we kept with it even after all political will had left:
Military contractors and the profits of war – Marketplace
War is such a racket and we seem to fall for it every time. The Iraq War had the biggest anti-war protests across the world, but you didn’t see that reported on the news, and despite all the opposition, it still went forward.
“Virtue signaling” is something that the Right likes slam the Left with but they are just as guilty of it as well. The Right’s “virtues” tend to be Christianity, patriotism, and the military/law enforcement.
“Support our troops!” and “Thank you for your sacrifice” are meaningless phrases that, in their own way, help support military spending. It also leads to the needless but “valiant” maiming and killing of young people so the military-industrial complex can keep making money.
There is so much more good that could be done with those funds, like saving the fucking planet, improving education, and ending poverty. The military is a huge waste of money.
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More “words of wisdom” from a Trump rally:
A little scary, but it brings to mind what was said about how the education system failed a lot of people or vice versa.
I know that secular education has its critics saying it is too much a liberal slant (liberal arts), BUT do you think we would get the above if more people applied themselves to… Say… critical thinking?I have to say that I guess the politicians who at first were “Never Trumpers” eventually saw his huge following of these people and Cruz, Graham, McConnel, and others read the room and fell in line to support. Deep down inside, they know Trump is a rank amateur and doesn’t know what he’s doing but you can’t beat his huge following.
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“Virtue signaling” is something that the Right likes slam the Left with but they are just as guilty of it as well. The Right’s “virtues” tend to be Christianity, patriotism, and the military/law enforcement.
I would put that Christianity in quotes as it is their interpretation. It has been known that they have quoted some Scripture passages way out of context to justify their actions, saying that the passages say to respect government authority. In the past, they used it to justify slavery.
How can they uphold guns when the passage say you must not murder? I don’t even want to get into abortion.
I also want to make this clear to show the mentality: There are those who say that since God told Noah in the Bible that He won’t allow the Earth to be flooded again, therefore we don’t have to worry about sea levels rising over global warming.
The Religious Right, the “Moral Majority”… It has been said that America at its most segregated time is Sunday mornings when white churchgoers attend their church and blacks to theirs. The only time both integrate together on the same page is during the NFL football playoffs and the Super Bowl.
——————-I know some want to point to the Taliban and other fanatical groups and cults’ belief system and say that they are backwards and behind. But then again, these conservatives with some of their beliefs that they want to impose aren’t exactly in the 21st century either…
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I know some want to point to the Taliban and other fanatical groups and cults’ belief system and say that they are backwards and behind. But then again, these conservatives with some of their beliefs that they want to impose aren’t exactly in the 21st century either…
Or even secular nations like the Soviet Union or PRC that still promote very conservative cultural traditions.
Back when people were still searching for Bin Laden, I read an article on the possible influence of science fiction and books like DUNE and Asimov’s THE FOUNDATION on Al Queda (which in certain translations means either “Foundation” or “The Base” as in Dune’s Usul meaning “The Base of the Pillar”). There was an interesting conversation in the book BODY OF LIES based on actual intelligence operations in the Middle East where a character (the bad American) says that the terrorists realized they were fighting “men from the future” so they stopped using electronic communications. That gave the impression that the Islamic extremists were “backwards” or “medieval,” but the truth was that their leaders were and usually are very well-educated and often educated in the Western nations as well. The tactics do not indicate a misunderstanding of the technology, but a better understanding of it than the people that depended upon it.
I think the error is that the people supposedly fighting Islamic extremists – or even domestic terrorism – is that they assume radical reactionaries or ultra-conservatives are stuck in the past when the reality often is that they have a stronger vision of the future and are more dedicated to it than many of us have for the present or the past.
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Feels like this is an eternally relevant image.
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Well the truth is a lot of those racist conservatives want the country to go back to the Jim Crow era, subjugate women and their bodies, build a wall to keep out foreign people of color, and so many other things. Add to all that communities like the Amish and so on.
That’s not exactly 21st century modern thinking or realizations.
They have the nerve to point the finger to the Taliban for their interpretation of an ancient religious book made centuries ago…
The pot calling the kettle black.
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BuT tHe LeFt ArE jUsT aS vIoLeNt As ThE rIgHt
A man who had been part of a far-right group that wants to foment a civil war admitted in federal court Thursday he traveled to Minneapolis from the San Antonio area to sow chaos after the police murder of George Floyd.
After shooting at the building, Hunter was recorded on video high-fiving another person and yelling “Justice for Floyd!” Investigators matched the skull mask Hunter was wearing in the video to a photo on his Facebook page.
Prosecutors say Hunter came to Minneapolis in the days following Floyd’s murder after corresponding on Facebook with Michael Solomon of New Brighton, Minn., and Benjamin Teeter of Hampstead, N.C. The men had been part of the “Boogaloo Bois,” a group that exploits tensions to further violence.
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Honestly, leftist, liberal. far-right or conservative, when I see individuals committing violent actions during protests, I first suspect they are either undercover or working with the authorities to undermine the movements.
Protestors are rarely as ready to use violence as the governments targeted by the protests.
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BREAKING UP WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY – ANDREW YANG
But would he really have any more impact than any other independent party politician?
It’s kinda hard to have less impact.
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There is apparently a schism with the Dems between the moderates and progressives with regards to this infrastructure bill.
In fact, it has gotten to the point where some Dems actually voted against removing the filibuster, a legal political tactic that has been used extensively against civil rights, any progressive agenda, and against the Democrats themselves!
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On a side note: The narrative of the Dems vs. GOP is the good guys vs. the bad guys. It is really the lesser of the two (I won’t exactly say evils.)
It is a touchy thing, but if all the Dems, progressives, and liberals were on the same page and got Hilary in office, she would have put in a different three judges in the Supreme Court instead of Trump. Also, a lot of nonsense in those 4 years would have never happened. But as you know, some were fickle, wishy washy, some who grew up in the 90s with the Clintons in the White House had it in for her, and so on.
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Why did we go to war?
Don’t need to read anything further… it’s always about money, as it’s always been… (or I suppose I should say “wealth”, which in today’s context is money, but just in case)
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Good coverage of the current social media controversy. To sum up, Facebook and other platforms are essentially profiting from selling anger and negativity. Ironically, this controversy itself is going to just become another product on that assembly line.
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Regarding the electorate:
When the people are down, someone will come with a message of “hope” to return to some “glory days” of the past when the country was prosperous. That person will say nostalgic things that pull at the people emotionally and stir their sentiments. It is usually with some message that only they are a special people on a special homeland/country and some “Keep out” slogan to others in the country that aren’t them.
This can be applied to so many countries in the past and present…
————————–I don’t agree with everything this guy says, but what he said in the video about the midterms, GOP people in key swing states rigging the voting, making sure the next POTUS will be GOP is a little scary but you can’t say it definitely won’t happen:
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Fiona Hill says January 6 was a “dress rehearsal” for future political violence
H. Rap Brown said it best: “Violence is American as apple pie.”
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Doesn’t he always think this way about the black vote?
His plan has always been to raise skepticism and suspicion about the minority voting districts and to only count the white votes.
It really is like that Maher video “A Slow Moving Coup”
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And it continues:
Trump supporters not voting does sound very good
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One of my local MPs, David Amess, Southend West, is dead, following being stabbed multiple times at a constituency surgery.
While not public info, death threats to MPs are way up.
Probably too much to hope that this makes those behind the increasingly brutal political rhetoric of recent years reconsider.
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Southlake school leader tells teachers to balance Holocaust books with ‘opposing’ views
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/southlake-texas-holocaust-books-schools-rcna2965
Christ, Texas really wants to ensure it’s a breeding ground for white supremacists for generations to come, don’t they?
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One of my local MPs, David Amess, Southend West, is dead, following being stabbed multiple times at a constituency surgery.
While not public info, death threats to MPs are way up.
Probably too much to hope that this makes those behind the increasingly brutal political rhetoric of recent years reconsider.
It’s deeply sad news. Whatever your political leanings I think everyone can agree that MPs should be able to go about their business without fear of attacks like this. What an awful time for his family and people close to him.
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One of my local MPs, David Amess, Southend West, is dead, following being stabbed multiple times at a constituency surgery.
My pedantic head says you can’t have ‘one of MPs’, they are either your MP or not.
It’s also irrelevant really. The biggest concern here and we’ve now seen it from both left and right that this role is dangerous. If you look at 2 MPs being murdered in the last 5 years (there are only 650 in total) it is clearly m0re dangerous than signing up to armed forces.
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Technically, pedantic one, he isn’t, but Southend West is very close by. It’s only a few miles that-a-way.
It’s that weird effect where places you know being affected hit harder than those you don’t. The London Bridge attacks were similar.
It’s all awful regardless but emotionally there’s a sharper edge to places that are known.
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Let’s check in on the state of the free world!
Oh…never mind.
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Yes, let’s
MIAMI (WSVN) – A Miami school that made headlines for saying it would penalize teachers who got the COVID-19 vaccine is now requiring students who get vaccinated to remain home for 30 days after each dose.
Parents of students at the Centner Academy recently received a letter from its Chief Operating Officer that read in part, “…if you are considering the vaccine for your Centner Academy student(s), we ask that you hold off until the Summer when there will be time for the potential transmission or shedding onto others to decrease.”
The letter also spelled out a quarantine rule for parents who still choose to vaccinate their children.
“Because of the potential impact on other students and our school community, vaccinated students will need to stay at home for 30 days post-vaccination for each dose and booster they receive and may return to school after 30 days as long as the student is healthy and symptom-free.”
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Madness.
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There are parts of the US where the vaccination rate is below 30%, and it’s all because of dipshits like that police union chief.
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MIAMI (WSVN) – A Miami school that made headlines for saying it would penalize teachers who got the COVID-19 vaccine is now requiring students who get vaccinated to remain home for 30 days after each dose.
Parents of students at the Centner Academy recently received a letter from its Chief Operating Officer that read in part, “…if you are considering the vaccine for your Centner Academy student(s), we ask that you hold off until the Summer when there will be time for the potential transmission or shedding onto others to decrease.”
The letter also spelled out a quarantine rule for parents who still choose to vaccinate their children.
“Because of the potential impact on other students and our school community, vaccinated students will need to stay at home for 30 days post-vaccination for each dose and booster they receive and may return to school after 30 days as long as the student is healthy and symptom-free.”
Telling healthy people to quarantine is bad, agreed.
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MIAMI (WSVN) – A Miami school that made headlines for saying it would penalize teachers who got the COVID-19 vaccine is now requiring students who get vaccinated to remain home for 30 days after each dose.
Parents of students at the Centner Academy recently received a letter from its Chief Operating Officer that read in part, “…if you are considering the vaccine for your Centner Academy student(s), we ask that you hold off until the Summer when there will be time for the potential transmission or shedding onto others to decrease.”
The letter also spelled out a quarantine rule for parents who still choose to vaccinate their children.
“Because of the potential impact on other students and our school community, vaccinated students will need to stay at home for 30 days post-vaccination for each dose and booster they receive and may return to school after 30 days as long as the student is healthy and symptom-free.”
Telling healthy people to quarantine is bad, agreed.
They’re telling vaccinated people to quarantine because they believe a conspiracy that the vaccine is contagious. You know, the kind of lies that pig you were defending upthread is spreading.
The kind of bullshit you’re posting here, as it happens.
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It bores me how much this nonsense is politicised and polarised as with anything.
I think it’s perfectly valid to question vaccine mandates. It is a valid question of rights about the primacy of choice on your own body, very similar the abortion argument. It’s also tough to argue with a ruling that says if you are working in a care home full of high risk over 80s your rights may be secondary to their safety. Nor every job is the same, you won’t get an intrusive criminal record check if you want to work in a bar but you will if you want to teach primary school kids. I am a parent of a primary school kid and go to bars, I am happy that is a sensible approach for both based on risk.
The problem is the vaccine argument is often mired in a lot of bullshit and misinformation and political agenda. A perfect example is people getting angry at people choosing to wear face masks where the use is voluntary (as it is in most of the US and UK). Why do you care?
I get a libertarian argument for being told to wear one but a libertarian argument is also wear one if you want, if you feel it protects you and others. This has been the norm in my part of the world since SARS even after the panic died away, you often saw masks at airports, I didn’t choose to wear one but I don’t have an issue if others did. It does make sense, pandemic or not it’s not unusual to get ill after international flights, when people from all over are sharing recycled air.
I don’t want to be in a pro-anti lockdown and mask debate, I want to look at the evidence and science as it develops.
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Opinion | Don’t rant about short-staffed stores and supply chain woes – The Washington Post
Just fucking get used to empty stores!
The US is being purposely collapsed, and idiots are cheering it on. Demoralized people will welcome their conqueror.
I’m not sure I understand what people expect with regards to supply chain issues. We’re still in the middle of a pandemic. Of course there are issues stemming from it. Does it suck? Yeah, but is it in anyway unexpected? I’d argue no.
Do I think there are entities trying to destroy the US? Yeah, but it’s basically Fox News and their ilk who are determined to prolong this pandemic in order to own the libs and fine anyway to promote class/xenophobic/racial warfare.
As for police unions or health care workers getting fired and/or told to stop spreading misinformation? Good. Healthcare worker who don’t believe in medicine shouldn’t be healthcare worker and police officers who don’t believe in doing what’s best for public safety shouldn’t be police officers. This is addition by subtraction.
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Let’s check in on the state of the free world!
Telling healthy people to quarantine is bad, agreed.
Just fucking get used to empty stores! The US is being purposely collapsed, and idiots are cheering it on. Demoralized people will welcome their conqueror.
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It bores me how much this nonsense is politicised and polarised as with anything.
I think it’s perfectly valid to question vaccine mandates. It is a valid question of rights about the primacy of choice on your own body, very similar the abortion argument. It’s also tough to argue with a ruling that says if you are working in a care home full of high risk over 80s your rights may be secondary to their safety. Nor every job is the same, you won’t get an intrusive criminal record check if you want to work in a bar but you will if you want to teach primary school kids. I am a parent of a primary school kid and go to bars, I am happy that is a sensible approach for both based on risk.
The problem is the vaccine argument is often mired in a lot of bullshit and misinformation and political agenda. A perfect example is people getting angry at people choosing to wear face masks where the use is voluntary (as it is in most of the US and UK). Why do you care?
I get a libertarian argument for being told to wear one but a libertarian argument is also wear one if you want, if you feel it protects you and others. This has been the norm in my part of the world since SARS even after the panic died away, you often saw masks at airports, I didn’t choose to wear one but I don’t have an issue if others did. It does make sense, pandemic or not it’s not unusual to get ill after international flights, when people from all over are sharing recycled air.
I don’t want to be in a pro-anti lockdown and mask debate, I want to look at the evidence and science as it develops.
My problem is that the anti-mask and anti-vaxx people are bleating on about freedom, when it comes to wearing a piece of cloth or getting a jab in order to keep yourself, your family, your friends and your community safe during the biggest pandemic to hit the planet in a hundred years.
But not one of them has talked about how the new abortion restrictions are one of the opening volleys in a campaign to destroy the federal protection for reproductive rights across the nation. Or the draconian anti-protesting laws instituted in the US in recent years or the UK this year. Or the utter shitshow that is Poland right now. Because it’s not about freedom, it’s about selfishness and being smug towards quote unquote liberals.
It’s an insult to those of us who have sacrificed so much in the last couple of years because they continue to fuck it up for the rest of us.
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Yup exactly my point, that it rarely is about any real principle or vision of the world, it’s culture wars. Complain about government over-reach in one area and cheering it on somewhere else (usually where it doesn’t affect you).
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The Freedom to Vote Act is almost certainly doomed
https://www.vox.com/22736509/freedom-to-vote-act
It’s meant to stop the GOP from screwing with voting rights. Of course, they’re gonna try to block it.
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Remember, Republicans are bigots and fascists. They don’t give a shit about anyone except wealthy white men.
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