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Here’s where we can discuss the new books that come out each Wednesday.

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  • #46427

    Not many books would have me rushing to my LCS on release day, but for this creative team it’s always worth it.

     

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  • #46438

    Interesting Batman week.

    The Batmans Grave ended. And like a lot of Ellis comics, it just ended. There is a slight ambiguity to the ending, which I found nice, but it still felt somewhat subpar to this series. I like the fact that Ellis let Hitch tell a lot of the story through the artwork here, moreso than in the previous issues. All in all, The Batmans Grave is no masterpiece, but it was a fun read worth the time.

    In the regular Batman title we get a conclusion of sorts to the current arc about the Ghost Maker. And it ended on a very surprising note, at least to me. I did NOT expect that to happen. I get a sense this was rushed or forced or maybe editorially mandated but either way, I’m keen to see where the Batman/Ghost Maker-relationship is going.

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  • #46465

    Not many books would have me rushing to my LCS on release day, but for this creative team it’s always worth it.

    Because of the impending snowstorm in the NYC area I won’t be picking mine up until Friday… B-)

  • #46471

    Really didn’t like Batman’s Grave. It was a nothing story with all of Ellis’ bad writing ticks.

    I did like David Niven as Alfred though, that worked well.

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  • #46536

    I agree. Batman’s Grave was weirdly disappointing. Hitch’s artwork was spectacular, but Ellis’ story lacked his usual bite. This very much felt like a standard WFH job for him; something his heart wasn’t really in to. Compare the writing here to other recent WFH work like Wild Storm. It’s like night and day.

    Batman #105 was weirdly anticlimactic. The ending was unexpected. Need to see where Tynion takes it from here when the book continues in March.

    Superman #25-28 is Bendis’ final arc on this book, and it’s alright. Part of the conceit of this story was Clark faced with an alien threat unlike any he’s faced before. Bendis achieved that disorientating feel very well, I will assume intentionally :) Unfortunately, even though Bendis tries hard to highlight the mythological importance of Superman he falls into the trap of telling through narration rather showing through actions, which robs the story of much of its intended impact.

  • #46574

    Cyberpunk 2077: Trauma Team was good in a really, brutal violent way. Best Cyberpunk anything I’ve seen in years.

    Just caught up with We only find them when they’re dead. It’s a weird Sci-Fi story about ships that strip mine the corpse of dead gods. It’s not clear what’s going on yet but I haven’t read anything like this premise before, I’m in.

  • #46589

    Not many books would have me rushing to my LCS on release day, but for this creative team it’s always worth it.

     

    I started this yesterday and finished it tonight. Unsurprisingly, it’s very good. A really solid pulp noir thriller that captures the 80s setting nicely and features plenty of great twists and turns – including one particular moment that really made me sit up and take notice, and provided a page-turn shock in a way that only comics can.

    I wasn’t sure about the slightly looser art style at first but by about halfway through it gelled for me and I appreciated its roughness, which works for the story being told (and the character). Looking forward to more Reckless books to come.

    And I love the format – it allows for a proper, chunky story to be told without the limitations of monthly comics.

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  • #46601

    Caught up on a few books today.

    Batman’s Grave #12 was a damp squib of an ending. I had hoped it would give the series a better shape in retrospect, but if anything it just makes it worse. Ellis somehow manages to end an issue halfway through a scene even when it’s the final chapter.

    Crossover #2 feels like it’s already treading water, which isn’t a good sign. Hope it kicks up a gear soon.

    That Texas Blood #6 brings a nice end to the first arc. Interesting to see that the next one will jump back in time.

    Blade Runner 2029 #1 is a good start, but very much a continuation of the 2019 series.

  • #46637

    That Texas Blood #6 brings a nice end to the first arc. Interesting to see that the next one will jump back in time.

    I was happy to read that news; it will be interesting to learn about Sheriff Joe Bob back when he was just a deputy. I guess Condon and Phillips are using the same template that Brubaker and Phillips use on their CRIMINAL series to give more depth and background to the central characters in their books.

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  • #46834

    Gave the new Batman: Black & White a try and thought it wasn’t bad, although uneven like all anthologies. The Tynion story is decent and the JHW3 story has nice art and touches on a contemporary issue in a surprising way. The others are a little less memorable though. I’ll stick with it for now as there are some decent names on upcoming issues.

  • #46835

    Strange Adventures #7 was quite an important issue in some ways, and sheds some interesting light on earlier parts of the story. In its own right it’s a decent read, and the art is still really nice. I still feel like the book as a whole hasn’t quite come together though.

  • #46836

    Talking of which, three issues in Rorschach is another Tom King book that reads well enough in singles but there isn’t enough connective tissue to really give you a strong handle on the big picture yet. You just have to have faith it will all come together. Which is fine for a short series, but (like Strange Adventures) at 12 issues I feel like it might try my patience a bit.

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  • #47052

    I read this today, which I picked up for Hitch’s art. Have to admit to being pretty baffled by it. I know DC love their universe-altering stories but this seems to be an alternate reality take on what was already an alternate reality in the first place, and not being that familiar with either Dark Multiverse or Flashpoint a lot of the details were lost on me.

    That said, it’s a pretty simple story and I was able to follow the gist of it. Plus the art was nice. But as someone who doesn’t dip into DC Universe comics very often this made me think that was probably the right choice.

  • #47053

    I really liked Rorschach #3. It was very much of the moment. An engrossing read, with great art. No idea what the point of this series is yet, but the last two instalments have been fantastic.

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  • #47063

    No idea what the point of this series is

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  • #47178

    First day of my Christmas holidays. Thought I’d spend it reading comics. As you do.

    Maestro #5 wraps up the first mini-series, and I have to admit that it’s a little disappointing. The story started strong, but lost its way over the last couple of issues. Banner goes from hero to despot almost overnight, with very little substance behind it. The art’s nice, and the character moments still work, but I’m left confused by the abruptness of the overall plot. Hopefully with the new mini- series starting next month, Peter David can slow things down a bit and get into Banner’s psyche a little more. That’s where the drama is. The short Dale Keown back ups have been awesome throughout.

    The Death Metal – The Secret Origin special is basically the redemption of Superboy- Prime. Geoff Johns does the heavy lifting in this story, with a handful of different artists. It’s alright, I suppose, if you like the character. Limited appeal or importance for anyone else.

    Gideon Falls #27 is a super sized finale to Lemire/ Sorrentino/ Stewart’s epic science fiction horror series. It’s a fast paced, action heavy issue, that leaves you satisfied yet wanting more. There are certainly enough unanswered questions for the creative team to return to in future, should they wish to.

    Action Comics #1025 – 1028 wraps up Bendis and Romita Jr’s year long run on the book, the underlying Invisible Mafia storyline, and also resolves dangling plot threads from the recently cancelled Young Justice series too. There’s a lot going on! It was fun reading a bunch of issues back to back like this, but this would have been a frustrating read issue to issue. I certainly get Anders’ problems with the last few issues.

    However, whatever criticism I may level at Bendis, he has my undying gratitude for bringing back the Connor Kent Superboy, and shining a pretty huge spotlight on him over this run. I’ve missed him! The ending with the Kent family in Smallville made me smile like a loon.

    The artwork Romita Jr/ Janson/ Anderson was also fantastic throughout. I realise that he’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but for my money, this run was the best work that JRJr has produced at DC (so far). It was a joy to just stop and stare at these pages.

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  • #47182

    the redemption of Superboy- Prime

    Okay, I gotta read this now but man if that isn’t the redemption not a single reasonable person in the world asked for.

  • #47183

    the best work that JRJr has produced at DC

    Are you taking the PEE AYE ESS ESS mate?

    Not that I ever hate JRJRs art but the last few issues of Talking Heads Action Comics is some of the least enjoyable I’ve ever seen from him. It’s rough, coarse, irritating and all over the place. Okay, maybe not sand-level bad but it does look lazy or rushed in comparison, and I’m not even comparing it to what I think is his best work (ASM with JMS)! Superman: Year One? All-Star Batman? That stuff was miles beyond this (although I would admit that the art in Superman: Year One had some weird perspectives and geometry).

    All that said, maybe it’s just up to different tastes. I don’t like sand.

    With that out of the way, I too enjoyed this arc as a whole. Or, at least the ending of it. Like I said earlier, it was a bit boring. The last issue especially had some unusually nice touches for late-stage Bendis, it was wholesome. The very last page/panel with Lois desk made me happy too, as in while it is normal to talk directly to the reader in the last issue of a run, it’s rare to see someone do it within the story itself and to make it work. A bit cheesy? IDGAF, I liked it anyway.

    The ending with the Kent family in Smallville made me smile like a loon.

    Yes, me too!

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  • #47187

    I think it’s the different inkers you’re reacting to rather than Romita’s pencils. Superman: Year One and All Star Batman were both inked by Danny Miki. Action Comics by Klaus Janson. They both have very different aesthetics. I like them both, but I prefer the looser rougher scratchier Janson inks.

    I do agree that JMS era JRJr Amazing Spider-man work was wonderful though. Scott Hanna did the inks back then, and his work was always incredible.

    I think the only other inker whose work looked better over JRJr was probably Al Williamson. On Daredevil and some of the pre-JMS Spider-man books.

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  • #47188

    For me, JR jr’s best DC work was the Dark Knight Returns: Last Crusade special about Jason Todd. That was great stuff.

  • #47189

    I do agree that JMS era JRJr Amazing Spider-man work was wonderful though. Scott Hanna did the inks back then, and his work was always incredible. I think the only other inker whose work looked better over JRJr was probably Al Williamson. On Daredevil and some of the pre-JMS Spider-man books.

    Agree with this on both counts.

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  • #47192

    I like them both, but I prefer the looser rougher scratchier Janson inks.

    Angry Anakin (@revengeanakin) | Twitter

    Jokes aside, I’m (obviously?) in the opposite boat. I like it tight, clear and crisp.

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  • #47193

    For me, JR jr’s best DC work was the Dark Knight Returns: Last Crusade special about Jason Todd. That was great stuff.

    I gotta go back to this, because (and I am slightly ashamed to admit it but) I seem to have forgotten it altogether.

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  • #47195

    the redemption of Superboy- Prime

    Okay, I gotta read this now but man if that isn’t the redemption not a single reasonable person in the world asked for.

    Quite so.  Johns has indulged a good few characters over the years, but SBP is easily the most indulged going.

    Worked fine in Infinite Crisis and later in Sinestro Corps but after that? Very diminished returns.

  • #47204

    the redemption of Superboy- Prime

    Okay, I gotta read this now but man if that isn’t the redemption not a single reasonable person in the world asked for.

    Quite so.  Johns has indulged a good few characters over the years, but SBP is easily the most indulged going.

    Worked fine in Infinite Crisis and later in Sinestro Corps but after that? Very diminished returns.

    Having now read the issue at hand (Dork Knights Death Metal: Secretion Ovaltine) I get the feeling he’s closing the book on Superboy Prime and that, at least, is very welcome. I hope we don’t hear from him again until he gets his own movie.

  • #47253

    Where he punches the audience?

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  • #47254

    Where he punches the audience?

    Maybe. It’s unlikely he’ll make a dent in the box office anyway.

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  • #47269

    I think the only other inker whose work looked better over JRJr was probably Al Williamson.

    No probably about it, that was a marriage made in heaven.

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  • #47522

    Department of Truth #4 was a fantastic issue. In X-Files terms this would be a “mythology” episode. There’s a lot to digest about the overarching plot, and some dramatic moments that help things move forwards. It’s also a very politically charged episode without actually taking sides. A fine balancing act given by the state of US politics right now. Great stuff.

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  • #48438

    I was talking about Valiant in another thread and I just wanted to give a review of Rai#10. Dan Abnett has been writing a great post apocalypse story and it continues here. It is not a great jumping on point(in fact I think it going a hiatus) but It has an unbelievable fight scene. Juan Jose Ryp does this fight scene over 4 pages that reminds me of a movie fight. 6 panels per page. Swords, fists, and feet flying. There should be a collection coming soon and I would highly recommend it. If you know anything about the Valiant Universe the cliffhanger is really cool.

     

     

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  • #48442

    Hopefully it gets an OHC to go with the first series.

  • #48816

    Dork Kniggits Deaf Meathead is finally over with issue seven being released today.

    This whole thing is just a pisstake, isn’t it? Scott Snyder telling the DC offices to go fuck themselves and pissing on their practices and stories over the last few years.

    Crisis-Energy, Anti-Crisis Energy? REALLY?

    Barry saying to Metron-Wally “You’re just a bad idea”. You got that right.

    The not-Wonder Woman saying that this new multiverse is going to come “at a great cost”? LET ME GUESS: It’s going to cost about $4.99 per issue and it is going to cost the DC headquarters some of their best talent.

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  • #48826

    So, you didn’t like it?

  • #48829

    I like that it’s over.

  • #48835

    I loved Snyder when he started at DC, that claustrophobic horror tinged stuff was so good.

    I hate the Metal stuff, it’s the worst indulgent style of comics, you can nod and wink as much as you want but writing for your best mate artist to be able to draw ‘whoah crazy!’ Batman riding a dragon is a bullshit approach that never produces anything of worth. I’m really in the mood for these things to stop navel gazing and ‘commenting on the genre’ and try and just tell a bloody good story.

    In 1985 some editor or other asked DC to find some multiversal way to to stop writing cop-out Earth 2 stories. They’ve been cogitating on that rubbish for 35 years when the rational response would be ‘just stop writing cop-out Earth 2 stories’. Put me in charge of DC and my first action would be to ban the word ‘crisis’ like the comics code banned ‘FLICK’ in the 50s in case the type ran on the page.

     

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  • #48837

    I loved Snyder when he started at DC, that claustrophobic horror tinged stuff was so good.

    I hate the Metal stuff, it’s the worst indulgent style of comics, you can nod and wink as much as you want but writing for your best mate artist to be able to draw ‘whoah crazy!’ Batman riding a dragon is a bullshit approach that never produces anything of worth. I’m really in the mood for these things to stop navel gazing and ‘commenting on the genre’ and try and just tell a bloody good story.

    In 1985 some editor or other asked DC to find some multiversal way to to stop writing cop-out Earth 2 stories. They’ve been cogitating on that rubbish for 35 years when the rational response would be ‘just stop writing cop-out Earth 2 stories’. Put me in charge of DC and my first action would be to ban the word ‘crisis’ like the comics code banned ‘FLICK’ in the 50s in case the type ran on the page.

     

    I am very much with you in all respects here.

    I somehwat like the pisstaking element of this particular sets of navels gazed into, but if I’d paid for it I guess I would feel a little insulted that it got past editorial.

    Over in Future State The Next Buttman, extremely mild spoilers as this is on the literal first page, I can’t tell if this kind of sentence has aged well or badly.

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  • #48840

    I loved Snyder when he started at DC, that claustrophobic horror tinged stuff was so good.

    I hate the Metal stuff, it’s the worst indulgent style of comics, you can nod and wink as much as you want but writing for your best mate artist to be able to draw ‘whoah crazy!’ Batman riding a dragon is a bullshit approach that never produces anything of worth. I’m really in the mood for these things to stop navel gazing and ‘commenting on the genre’ and try and just tell a bloody good story.

    In 1985 some editor or other asked DC to find some multiversal way to to stop writing cop-out Earth 2 stories. They’ve been cogitating on that rubbish for 35 years when the rational response would be ‘just stop writing cop-out Earth 2 stories’. Put me in charge of DC and my first action would be to ban the word ‘crisis’ like the comics code banned ‘FLICK’ in the 50s in case the type ran on the page.

     

    *Orson Welles clapping gif*

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  • #48842

    DC is overhauling its multiverse? Must be time for me to check the oil in my car.

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  • #48855

    Generations shattered is the only book I’ve read from DC this week that isn’t shite (for those who can’t read between the lines: Future State Bad) but I’ve got a question.

    Time Trapper makes a brief appearance. Isn’t he supposed to be Superboy Prime?

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  • #48857

    DC is overhauling its multiverse? Must be time for me to check the oil in my car.

    You change the oil in your car that frequently?

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  • #48865

    You change the oil in your car that frequently?

    Dave is unusual in having a weekly service.

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  • #48889

    Generations shattered is the only book I’ve read from DC this week that isn’t shite (for those who can’t read between the lines: Future State Bad) but I’ve got a question.

    Time Trapper makes a brief appearance. Isn’t he supposed to be Superboy Prime?

    Who knows? Who cares?

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  • #48892

    Who knows? Who cares?

    The answer to at least one of those questions is probably Vikram.

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  • #48898

    Hah! There have been at least three reboots of the DCU since Johns’ retcon. It’s anyone’s guess who’s under the hood now.

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  • #48899

    So what we are dancing around is the fact that Vikram is the Time Trapper.

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  • #48915

    I’m late, but glad to see that The Batman’s Grave responses here are in line with my own.   Why do I ever think Ellis will be able to finish a story?

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  • #48923

    I just read the massive Wikipedia summary for Death Metal and all the tie-ins and…. Jesus Christ.

    Jeeeeeeeesus Christ.

    I love zany superhero bullshit but this sounds just awful. I’ll stick to Multiversity and the original COIE for my multiversal nonsense thank you very much

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  • #48953

    Time Trapper makes a brief appearance. Isn’t he supposed to be Superboy Prime?

    That was four multiversal reboots ago. Try to keep up.

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  • #48954

    Time Trapper makes a brief appearance. Isn’t he supposed to be Superboy Prime?

    That was four multiversal reboots ago. Try to keep up.

    That point was already made four posts ago, Meadows. Try to keep up.

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  • #48968

    Why do I ever think Ellis will be able to finish a story?

    Thishful winking. I, too, am a victim.

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  • #48969

    Time Trapper makes a brief appearance. Isn’t he supposed to be Superboy Prime?

    That was four multiversal reboots ago. Try to keep up.

    That point was already made four posts ago, Meadows. Try to keep up.

    Oh my god! David Meadows is David Meadows!! This is huuuuge!

  • #48970

    Multiversity

    It’s interesting that you should bring that up because while reading issue #7 of Deaf Metal I was thinking how Multiversity managed to comment on the genre from a very odd, fresh and interesting perspective, “The hand is empty”, and how Snyder was trying to do something similar, as far as having empty hands that haven’t been a part of plotting the course of the universe come in and tear it to shit, but comparing the execution felt like comparing Spielberg to Wiseau.

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  • #48999

    Guys, I’ve made a mistake.

    I read the last couple of issues of Amazing Spider-Man.

    I didn’t think it was possible, but this is worse than Sins Past. Inconcievably (am I using that word right?) bad.

  • #49010

    Guys, I’ve made a mistake.

    I read the last couple of issues of Amazing Spider-Man.

    I didn’t think it was possible, but this is worse than Sins Past. Inconcievably (am I using that word right?) bad.

    Spoilers please!

  • #49012

    Harry Osb0rn aka Kindred has magic maggot powers and Norman Osborn is a good guy working against himself and with Mayor Fisk to take down / help Spider-Man who is dead but also alive.

    Oh, and Sin-Eater was back but he had a magic gun that fired Ghost Rider bullets and he just killed people who had to be killed and the occasional hobo. And he wasn’t the Sin-Eater.

    If anyone here is currently reading Amazing Spider-Man and feel I’m misrepresenting the latest couple of arcs, feel free to write your own succinction of it. I would, and I say this unironically, love to read something that makes some actual sense.

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  • #49020

    I didn’t think it was possible, but this is worse than Sins Past. Inconcievably (am I using that word right?) bad.

    is the guy who created Hydra Cap(spencer) still writing it? if so, shame on you. why would you expect any better than the guy who wrote “Secret Empire”?

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  • #49021

    Finally, something good. Eternals by Kieron Gillen and Esad Ribic. There’s nothing I can say about this issue that isn’t said better with Ikaris’ ass:

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  • #49024

    I didn’t think it was possible, but this is worse than Sins Past. Inconcievably (am I using that word right?) bad.

    is the guy who created Hydra Cap(spencer) still writing it? if so, shame on you. why would you expect any better than the guy who wrote “Secret Empire”?

    -bzzt- I-have-no-idea what you are talking about

    <if=Hydra Cap;Secret Empire;Nick Spencer>

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  • #49025

    I didn’t think it was possible, but this is worse than Sins Past. Inconcievably (am I using that word right?) bad.

    is the guy who created Hydra Cap(spencer) still writing it? if so, shame on you. why would you expect any better than the guy who wrote “Secret Empire”?

    And abandoned Morning Glories and The Fix

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  • #49027

    In case anyone ever wondered what the eternals version of “the shits” is:

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  • #49030

    Multiversity

    It’s interesting that you should bring that up because while reading issue #7 of Deaf Metal I was thinking how Multiversity managed to comment on the genre from a very odd, fresh and interesting perspective, “The hand is empty”, and how Snyder was trying to do something similar, as far as having empty hands that haven’t been a part of plotting the course of the universe come in and tear it to shit, but comparing the execution felt like comparing Spielberg to Wiseau.

    Yeah, I actually read the last few pages of Death Metal #7 in the shop yesterday and was a bit annoyed Snyder was running with an idea Morrison had introduced in Multiversity, that the DC multiverse is just a “local multiverse.” I was hoping Morrison would get the chance to explore that in Multiversity 2 but it sounds like Morrison’s out at DC after TGL and WW Earth One vol 3.

    With Morrison the Monitors, the Gentry, and the Empty Hand were about how commercial interests flatten art and sap the fun kinky weirdness out of comics. The refrain in Multiversity of “be careful what you let in your head” was a warning about how bland corporate art limits your imagination, which I think we’re seeing right now across mediums as nostalgia reboots and militarized superheroes push out smaller, odder stuff.

    From what I’ve read it doesn’t look like that commentary is really present in Death Metal, or is merely being gestured toward.

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  • #49031

    So, I read Death Metal #7 last night … it was a bit of a mess, I agree. I enjoyed some of the specific story beats, and I do like where we’ve ended up continuity wise, but the series just got lost up it’s own arse. It became about continuity and the nudge nudge wink wink meta context rather than the characters. It’s just pieces moving around on the board. There’s no emotional hook or connection. It could have and should have been great; there’s some lofty intentions behind the narrative, but it doesn’t stick the landing.

    Hopefully this is the last time Snyder tries to outdo Morrison and goes back to the type of storytelling he is much better at.

    I did like Capullo’s art though, so it’s not a total loss.

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  • #49259

    I just read the massive Wikipedia summary for Death Metal and all the tie-ins and…. Jesus Christ.

    Jeeeeeeeesus Christ.

    I love zany superhero bullshit but this sounds just awful. I’ll stick to Multiversity and the original COIE for my multiversal nonsense thank you very much

    Honestly…….Death Metal has been tremendous fun.

    I am opposite of the general sentiment on this thread, however I have been careful not to read any spoilers so I cannot go into a detailed discussion on any events from issues 6 & 7 until next week.

    Death Metal has been one of my favourite books of the year though. Making mainstream comics fun, dense reads again is a positive in my book. It’s so unlike anything else I’ve read which is also a massive positive. It’s not easy to come up with new ideas for these characters and events, so the fact that Snyder and Capullo fit crazy off the wall ideas on almost every page is refreshing to me.

    Snyder has a habit of not sticking the landing and I didn’t enjoy the latter stages of Metal, so I might still end up disappointed, but the 5 issues I’ve read have been a helluva lot of fun.

    I also really enjoyed The Last Knight on Earth which benefited from a really focussed read of all 3 issues together.

    Death Metal is pretty much a signing off on my interest of the DCU going forward other than the Jurgens series, although I am picking up Future State.

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  • #49262

    I’m glad you’re enjoying it Chris, I really should have added a caveat that of course ideas that sound wrong at first can be executed well in the end product. I do like Capullo a lot too (even if I don’t share his passion for metal music, which seems to be what got this whole ball rolling in the first place) and I can imagine it’s fun to see him draw all this crazy stuff.

    I read Generations: Shattered out of curiosity, it’s pretty fun and has great art from Reis, Nowlan, JRJR, Lupacchino, etc but does it mean that Dan Jurgens is the main architect of the post-Death Metal DCU? Wouldn’t they have gotten one of their bigger names still around for that–Bendis, King, or Tynion?

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  • #49263

    Not to worry you, Chris, but I enjoyed Death Metal a lot until #5 or thereabouts. #6 was alright, but I found #7 a bit of a mess. I still had a good time overall, but the bumpy landing has soured things for me somewhat. Be interested in hearing your thoughts when you catch up.

    But, let’s be honest, if nothing else it’s always going to be the book that saved Wally West so I was never going to hate it.

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  • #49264

    I think this Generations thing is a bit of a placeholder, Will. It’s a way of using some of the material that Didio dreamt up for the next big relaunch before he was fired. Jurgens is just pulling it all together. I don’t see him being the DC architect going forwards.

    That’s definitely fallen to Tynion for the Gotham based books, and it sounds like Williamson is going to be master minding the main Infinite Frontier initiative (based on Snyder’s comments in a recent interview).

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  • #49267

    Not to worry you, Chris, but I enjoyed Death Metal a lot until #5 or thereabouts. #6 was alright, but I found #7 a bit of a mess. I still had a good time overall, but the bumpy landing has soured things for me somewhat. Be interested in hearing your thoughts when you catch up.

    But, let’s be honest, if nothing else it’s always going to be the book that saved Wally West so I was never going to hate it.

    I think I’m going to read it again from scratch when the issues arrive next week – so I’ll be giving it every chance by reading all 7 issues together. See how it goes

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  • #50097

    I’ve now read most of Future State. I have mixed feelings about these titles, as could be expected since they’re all completely separate titles by different creative teams but there seems to be two-three overall themes. They’re set in the future. They’re a bit What If-y. And lastly, they’re varying degrees of trash.

    I could go on a lengthy rant, and I’m tempted to, but I’ll digress and say this instead: The only title I liked was Future State: Dark Detective. Good art and an interesting story. It definitely has a cyberpunk vibe to it, and putting a Batman who’s lost everything but his memory in the middle of a neon-lit police-state futuristic Gotham City does make for an interesting contrast to the usual darker tones of the bat-titles.

    It’s still a kinda dark story, what with the authoritarian themes and Batman getting shot multiple times and Bruce Wayne being dead and all… But it’s dark in that classic Cyberpunk-style. Colorful darkness. Neon-lit gloominess. I liked this.

    Before I let go of this weeks DC stuff I just have to point out the art in Future State Green Lantern. I used to like Tom Raney. But what the hell is going on in this issue. It’s not all bad but like… look at this body proportions in the panel below (the speech bubbles remain spoiler-free after a quick edit).

    Why is his head so BIG? Is blue man made out of Jello? If not, how did he dig his fingers so deep into his arm?

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  • #50108

    (the speech bubbles remain spoiler-free after a quick edit).

    Ohhhh.

    I honestly assumed Bendis had scripted the issue.

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  • #50115

    It’s not all bad but like… look at this body proportions in the panel below

    To be honest I’ve always felt that way about Raney’s work from when I first saw it on the X-Men and never really understood why so many people like it. Look at Colossus’ head compared to the rest of him.

  • #50116

    Future State is just another Future’s End type event, right? Another possible future of the DCU, that the regular titles will drop not-so subtle hints and allusions to for a while – “Look, over here, remember that thing we told you happened in that issue that time? Well this is where you see how that started, or what the real story behind it is!” Future’s End ultimately came to naught. This will too.

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  • #50117

    Future State is just another Future’s End type event, right? Another possible future of the DCU, that the regular titles will drop not-so subtle hints and allusions to for a while – “Look, over here, remember that thing we told you happened in that issue that time? Well this is where you see how that started, or what the real story behind it is!” Future’s End ultimately came to naught. This will too.

    I don’t mind that “they don’t count” aspect if the stories are good.

    While I’m not a big DC guy I do plan on checking out some of the Future State books based on the artists involved – the ones with Joelle Jones, Dan Mora and Nicola Scott.

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  • #50118

    And, that’s fair enough if they appeal to you. I bought Convergence tie in mini series, after all 🙂 I do like some of the artists involved with these, but none are a “must buy” for  me, and as the over arching event certainly isn’t appealing in the slightest, I’m a hard pass on this occasion.

     

  • #50123

    Yeah fair enough. It’s one of those situations where the lack of continuity ties is actually an attraction for me and a good chance to check out a few comics without feeling like I might have to be up to date with goings-on in other DC books.

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  • #50156

    To be honest I’ve always felt that way about Raney’s work from when I first saw it on the X-Men and never really understood why so many people like it. Look at Colossus’ head compared to the rest of him.

    My liking of Raney may be informed by teenage nostalgia. The art you posted is worse than the art in this issue to my eyes. Liefeldian proportions.

  • #50157

    Dan Mora

    His art in Dark Detective is great.

  • #50162

    Tom Raney provided strong visual support to Warren Ellis’ reboot of the StormWatch series that served as a prelude to the Authority series.

  • #50171

    Yeah he drew those and I didn’t like it then. Some bits are better than others but to me his stuff has always had weird looking heads, people standing at bizarre angles and weird perspectives that don’t make sense. You could write an essay about this randomly Googled one:

     

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  • #50194

    Well, that one’s not taken from Ellis’ run. I’m with Jerry and Anders insofar as I only know Raney from Ellis’ Stormwatch run and always thought he was great in that. I was particularly impressed with issue 44 in which Ellis’ homaged different eras of comics in telling Jenny Sparks’ life story, and Raney used the according art styles.

    Around the time of Change or Die, he had developed a style that was a tiny bit cartoonish, which I quite liked:

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  • #50204

    I was particularly impressed with issue 44 in which Ellis’ homaged different eras of comics in telling Jenny Sparks’ life story, and Raney used the according art styles.

    Yeah, that whole issue is brilliant.

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  • #50212

    I’m with Jerry and Anders insofar as I only know Raney from Ellis’ Stormwatch run and always thought he was great in that.

    It’s a personal taste thing, probably like my lack of understanding why people rate Paul Gulacy for much the same reasons. I liked those comics despite Raney than because of him, it’s his better stuff but still often weird and out of proportion in a way I find off. When it’s not because it’s stylised but because it’s inconsistent. Jenny Sparks’ chin appears and disappears, this guy has some lump growth on his chin in the first panel that disappears the next.

    I understand the affection for those comics but to me it’s why he’s been primarily a fill in artist since.

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  • #50218

    probably like my lack of understanding why people rate Paul Gulacy

    There’s a lot to admire about Gulacy’s work, but the faces… aside from the bizarrely long noses, it’s the whole dead-eyed thing. Same with Herb Trimpe – their people just look like mannequins. It’s creepy!

    This needs its own thread – Much Loved Artists That You Just Don’t Get.

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  • #50252

    I liked how the big guy’s right bicep to talking to his left ab. I think I actually dropped Stormwatch during his time because of the art.

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  • #50257

    It looks a bit like one of those books for children with empty settings and stickers with characters you can attach any way you want.

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  • #50314

    The Wrong Earth is back!

    Been longing for this title to continue and TWE: Night and Day is finally here! Yay!

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  • #51048

    I read the first issue of Future State: Wonder Woman and thought it was pretty good. Joelle Jones is a great artist (and her art was the main draw for me) but I liked her writing too – it was more fun and light and silly than I expected, and completely accessible to someone coming to it cold.

    It’s not outstanding stuff, and it takes a while to get going but it’s enjoyable enough. I’ll definitely pick up issue #2.

    (Oh, and after that conversation in the DC thread, the creators names are indeed on the final cover.)

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  • #51049

    future state: the next Batman 1

    3 comic book length strips in 1 64 page issue.

    Really good art, average scripts throughout

    the first story written by john Ridley art by nick Derrington is fine in concept but Ridley’s dialogue is quite boring to read. The American Way was similar. I don’t think he has a good enough ear for dialogue or conversation to be a top comic book writer.

    Basically masks are outlawed in Gotham and Bruce Wayne is away with Tim Fox taking on the mantle of the bat. I think Ridley tries to add interest by adding some family drama but it’s all rather stilted and hackneyed stuff. It’s not bad comics, it’s just not going to have anyone rushing out for the next issue.

    The art on the other hand is absolutely superb. We know Derrington is great, but he’s getting even better. His art is getting looser and his sequentials are getting tighter. This guy is the real deal and is obviously working hard at his craft

     

    The next story is pretty mediocre stuff featuring the Outsiders. It’s hard to summarise because very little happens. Thankfully the art from Kumar again is very good. Some striking panels and a really fun 2 page spread. The story picks up a bit towards the end and adds an element to make it more interesting. I don’t know if I’d pick up the second issue of this if I hadn’t Pre ordered it.

     

    The third strip by Jenkins is a bore to read although Herbert’s art and character designs are quite nice in places

     

    Overall this is a 7/10 with the art doing most of the heavy lifting. The concepts are fine but the execution by all 3 writers is not the most engrossing

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  • #51058

    Future State: Harley Quinn

    Stephanie Phillips & Simon Di Meo

    If someone handed this to you as your first comic you would never read comics again.

    Horrible script that’s been farted out in about 10 mins and misjudged art and colours that I feel I’m looking at through the wrong end of telescope.

    It has an animated style but it’s murkey and distant and there some really terrible choices on the layouts, camera angles and distance in the panels.

    I had to make a real effort to keep reading this cliched drivvel and it’s put me off reading comics for the rest of the night.

    The scarecrow has captured Harley and is using her to lure in other villains.

    3/10

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  • #51066

    OK, we have a competition: Meadows vs Chris – who will DC hack off most? Place your bets now!

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  • #51082

    OK, we have a competition: Meadows vs Chris – who will DC hack off most? Place your bets now!

    Add Vikram to the competition. I believe DC has done some stuff lately that hasn’t sat well with him.

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  • #51108

    Meadows all the way for me. The love he purs into his hate for bad LoSH-books makes his reviews read like poetry, incredibly nuanced and subtle scathing sprinkled with sublime disappointment.

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  • #51118

    That’s a shame about Future State: Harley Quinn. I am sort of tempted by the series relaunch in March by the same writer – mostly because of Riley Rossmo’s artwork. Sounds like I should maybe rethink that.

    Anyone read Robin Eternal (Tim!)? Or Dark Detective (Grifter!)?

  • #51122

    I have Dark Detective on my pull list (for Mora’s art) but my LCS hasn’t sent it out yet.

  • #51123

    I read Dark Detective, review upthread. The review is bad but the book was solid. Haven’t read the Grifter backup yet. Not a big fan of Grifter.

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  • #51125

    C’mon man. Grifter is just like Gambit. But, you know, good.

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  • #51126

    C’mon man. Grifter is just like Gambit. But, you know, good.

    Gambit has to be the worst comic character of all time.

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  • #51128

    What I never got about Grifter is, I never saw him grift anyone. Just shoot them. A lot.

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  • #51130

    C’mon man. Grifter is just like Gambit. But, you know, good.

    So he’s awful in everything from design to accent to character, but somehow… good?

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  • #51134

    I read the first issue of Future State: Wonder Woman and thought it was pretty good. Joelle Jones is a great artist (and her art was the main draw for me) but I liked her writing too – it was more fun and light and silly than I expected, and completely accessible to someone coming to it cold.

    I ordered the WW issues on a whim without knowing who the creators were, but this news makes me happy. Joelle Jones’ single page stood out from the crowd in the multi-artist mess that was Legion of Super-Heroes #8, never heard of her before but don’t at all mind seeing more of her work.

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  • #51135

    C’mon man. Grifter is just like Gambit. But, you know, good.

    So he’s awful in everything from design to accent to character, but somehow… good?

    Yep. Exactly.

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