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So the idea is probably they’re harvesting The Child’s blood to get his fucking midochlorians and they’re using some form of blood transfusion to create force-users. Force-using super soldiers. It’s a pretty cool idea, and it’s nice to finally have a bit of a shape of the overarching plot of the series.
There was a plot in one of the Jedi Knight games that was pretty similar, Jedi Outcast, IIRC they were using crystals that were infused with the Force through another plot device to create “shadowtroopers”.
Here: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Shadowtrooper
‘Star Wars’ Fans Urge ‘Mandalorian’ to #FireGinaCarano After Controversial Tweets
‘Star Wars’ Fans Urge ‘Mandalorian’ to #FireGinaCarano After Controversial Tweets
So the idea is probably they’re harvesting The Child’s blood to get his fucking midochlorians and they’re using some form of blood transfusion to create force-users. Force-using super soldiers.
Isn’t this basically QAanon?
‘Star Wars’ Fans Urge ‘Mandalorian’ to #FireGinaCarano After Controversial Tweets
‘Star Wars’ Fans Urge ‘Mandalorian’ to #FireGinaCarano After Controversial Tweets
Finally a twitter campaign to sign up on!
Speaking of twitter, this is perhaps better for the Star Wars thread but what the heck…
I speak from experience: Never tell him the odds. https://t.co/3OUamWXYcj
— Mark Hamill (@HamillHimself) November 23, 2020
Yeah, didn’t work for me either. It’s one of those things that maybe looked like a good idea on paper, but they should’ve noticed that this episode’s sidequest actually is about getting frog lady to her goal and that we have to emphasise with her and that the kid eating her fucking babies is neither cute nor funny but absolutely horrifying.
Yeah, it almost came off like Baby Yoda uncaringly committing an act of genocide.
Maybe it’s just me bringing in baggage from other sci-fi series, but Baby Yoda eating the eggs reminded me of the old Star Trek episode “Devil in the Dark,” where miners on a remote planet were being killed by a horrific monster, but it turned out that the horrific monster was just a mother protecting its eggs, which would hatch into the last members of its species. I wonder if, subconsciously, some people may be drawing a parallel between the two story, and react with revulsion when Star Wars treats the idea of destroying the eggs of an endangered species like a joke. (I don’t think Frog Lady was the last of her species, but it still feels the same.)
Yeah, it almost came off like Baby Yoda uncaringly committing an act of genocide.
It came off more like Baby Yoda being hungry and eating the eggs because he didn’t know any better.
Bryce Dallas Howard directed the episode with the Chicken Walker last season.
Yeah, it almost came off like Baby Yoda uncaringly committing an act of genocide.
It came off more like Baby Yoda being hungry and eating the eggs because he didn’t know any better.
From a certain point of view…
The problem is that there are immoral activities that are out of the normal milieu of Star Wars’ ‘justifiable’ immorality, and they’re light-hearted moments in the episode. You’ll accept the slaughter of Stormtroopers because they’re literal faceless goons. But The Child eating Frog Woman’s eggs is at odds with her being played as a sympathetic character who’s motivation is to fertiliser said eggs; and similarly last week having the blue-skinned alien being an indentured servant and it was played for laughs, while one of Star Wars’ greatest tragedies is tied to Anakin and his mother being slaves.
It’s the kind of thing that’s amusing or cute on a surface level, but the more you think about it it stands out as wrong for the setting and/or the story.
It’s the kind of thing that’s amusing or cute on a surface level, but the more you think about it it stands out as wrong
That’s Star Wars all over though I think. I don’t really think any of it stands up to scrutiny once you start to pick it apart.
It’s the kind of thing that’s amusing or cute on a surface level, but the more you think about it it stands out as wrong
That’s Star Wars all over though I think. I don’t really think any of it stands up to scrutiny once you start to pick it apart.
Well, yeah. But there’s the stuff that falls apart under scrutiny, and then there’s the stuff that makes you go “wait, what?” after a few seconds.
It’s the kind of thing that’s amusing or cute on a surface level, but the more you think about it it stands out as wrong
That’s Star Wars all over though I think. I don’t really think any of it stands up to scrutiny once you start to pick it apart.
Well, yeah. But there’s the stuff that falls apart under scrutiny, and then there’s the stuff that makes you go “wait, what?” after a few seconds.
Han just shot that poor bounty hunter in the cantina!
Well, yeah. But there’s the stuff that falls apart under scrutiny, and then there’s the stuff that makes you go “wait, what?” after a few seconds.
Yeah, I think that’s it. This wasn’t a thing where you go go “Oh, I’ve never thought about it like that before!”, it was an instant what-the-fuck moment. (Which was literally my kid’s reaction, by the way. Which I suppose is the difference between watching this with smaller kids and with a teenager.)
There was a plot in one of the Jedi Knight games that was pretty similar, Jedi Outcast, IIRC they were using crystals that were infused with the Force through another plot device to create “shadowtroopers”.
Here: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Shadowtrooper%5B/quote%5D
Interesting! Those actually look a lot like the suits we see at the end of the episode. Googling it, there is of course speculation that it’s Shadowtroopers we see in that shot:
https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/mandalorian-dark-trooper-moff-gideon-snoke-palpatine
‘Star Wars’ Fans Urge ‘Mandalorian’ to #FireGinaCarano After Controversial Tweets
I’d be happier if she wasn’t a nutcase but, man, I don’t see how being a Trumper is a problem with her playing a minor character on a Disney show. Hounding people and trying to get them fired for their political opinions isn’t helping anybody.
Hounding people and trying to get them fired for their political opinions isn’t helping anybody.
Eh, it’s not like anyone is listening to this noise anyway. Can anyone think of the last time this kind of thing got any real traction?
Eh, it’s not like anyone is listening to this noise anyway. Can anyone think of the last time this kind of thing got any real traction?
James Gunn getting fired?
I’d be happier if she wasn’t a nutcase but, man, I don’t see how being a Trumper is a problem with her playing a minor character on a Disney show. Hounding people and trying to get them fired for their political opinions isn’t helping anybody.
I think being anti mask, Covid is fake should be landed on with a ton of bricks, there’s a lot of people dead and more going to die over this bullshit.
The anti trans stuff is pretty mild compared to that imo. (But still shitty)
Eh, it’s not like anyone is listening to this noise anyway. Can anyone think of the last time this kind of thing got any real traction?
James Gunn getting fired?
- This reply was modified 4 years ago by Uncle Retrospective.
So two and a half years ago. And even then he was unfired again.
Yeah poor Gunn… not only he didn’t lose his job, he got more work… I’m sure everyone would love to be fired in the same way… =P
I think being anti mask, Covid is fake should be landed on with a ton of bricks, there’s a lot of people dead and more going to die over this bullshit.
It should. In the sense of, enforcing mask rules at work and in public, arguing against the nonsense every step of the way, and so on.
Not firing people from jobs that have nothing to do with public safety or political responsibility.
I do love the idea that most people in the world are living their pandemic lives according to the teachings of Gina Carano.
We are, unfortunately, living in a world where anything stupid read on the internet becomes the absolute truth for a lot of people. One need look no further than the “Flat Earth” movement, which is attacking science that has been settled for well over two thousand years, or the way QAnon bullshit has been spreading like wildfire for the past three years.
When she amplifies stuff about masks like that, it’s just for more confirmation for the dipshits out there.
I enjoyed this week’s episode, although not so much for all the Extended Universe type stuff which I can pretty much take or leave.
But it was a nice mix of all the elements that make Star Wars feel like Star Wars (a samurai movie mixed with a western mixed with space opera is pretty much the formula!) and I thought the guest cast were decent. I enjoyed seeing Michael Biehn.
I do love the idea that most people in the world are living their pandemic lives according to the teachings of Gina Carano.
We are, unfortunately, living in a world where anything stupid read on the internet becomes the absolute truth for a lot of people. One need look no further than the “Flat Earth” movement, which is attacking science that has been settled for well over two thousand years, or the way QAnon bullshit has been spreading like wildfire for the past three years.
When she amplifies stuff about masks like that, it’s just for more confirmation for the dipshits out there.
That’s true, but she’s fairly minor in the grand scheme of things and I don’t think it’s something she deserves to lose her job over. If people are listening to an actress from a Star Wars tv show over advice from healthcare professionals and scientists then that’s on them to some extent.
I do love the idea that most people in the world are living their pandemic lives according to the teachings of Gina Carano.
We are, unfortunately, living in a world where anything stupid read on the internet becomes the absolute truth for a lot of people. One need look no further than the “Flat Earth” movement, which is attacking science that has been settled for well over two thousand years, or the way QAnon bullshit has been spreading like wildfire for the past three years.
When she amplifies stuff about masks like that, it’s just for more confirmation for the dipshits out there.
That’s true, but she’s fairly minor in the grand scheme of things and I don’t think it’s something she deserves to lose her job over. If people are listening to an actress from a Star Wars tv show over advice from healthcare professionals and scientists then that’s on them to some extent.
I would agree. She should lose it over how bad her acting is.
Bad acting has no place in Star Wars!
Bad acting has no place in Star Wars!
Hayden Christiansen would disagree.
He’s be wrong, of course, but he’d still disagree.
For me, this was the best episode of the series to date. The visuals and sound were superb. As I never watched Clone Wars and Rebels, Ahsoka was just another character to me. Still, the story and pacing were very good. Nice action sequences, especially at the beginning. I really loved the atmosphere of this episode.
Grogu? Sure. Fine. Whatever. A couple of times I misheard it as Goku and Grouper.
And Mando continues to be the least interesting character of the series. They really need to do something to inject some personality into the character. It’s never a good sign when the guests outshine the star.
Meh, the episode was a bit drab… kind of underwhelming all things considered and a surprising amount of padding, not that I’d like these episodes to be shorter, but if they’re just gonna fill them with nothing, then there’s no real point to it being 45 mins.
Anywas, the jedi lady was nice… I’ve seen pictures of the character, Rosario Dawson looks very much like an older her, so it was a great fit. The action did look a bit too TV-like unfortunately, but hey at least the shodown was nice. I didn’t realise beskar couldn’t be cut through by laser sabers… guess that’s what makes it so valuable…
I was really wishing we’d get rid of the fuckin baby yoda so we could see some mando-related stories, but I guess we’re stuck with the toy advert and relying on guest characters…
Loved it. That’s how Jedi (though she isn’t really) should be. That name drop offers so much. One of the two standout characters from the start of Zahn’s trilogy now given a third life by Filoni. Can hardly wait to see how cool he could be in live action. Michael Biehn was a cherry on top. Beskar showing its worth. Just let Filoni do the next movie trilogy for gods sake.
I really didn’t like this one. The Mandaorian is increasingly leaning into the MCU formula of being more interesting in advertising the next breadcrumb in a vague future story than telling an interesting one right now. And dear Bob this week’s story was not interesting, even though it had all the elements to do so right there. Nobody has a personality, nobody has motivations, I don’t care about any of them.
At least the fights look good this time. Micheal Biehn’s blaster shotgun was pretty cool too.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CII-VvEgNEs/?utm_source=ig_embed
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To understand Ahsoka Tano, is to understand what she means to people.Millions of people are meeting Ahsoka for the first time after watching her in The Mandalorian and I’m excited for them to hopefully go back and watch her journey in The Clone Wars and Rebels. Millions of fans already know Ahsoka and her presence has come to mean more to them than words in a script.
In Star Wars The Clone Wars, Ahsoka became the eyes of the audience. Viewers experienced the show through Ahsoka, and even though these stories happened in a galaxy far, far away, her feelings and emotions are very relatable to our everyday lives. Ahsoka’s strength has inspired, changed and literally saved millions of lives all over the world.
In turn, Ahsoka has become a beacon of hope, light and genuine goodness. Everyone’s relationship with Ahsoka is very different because she triggers the memory of a certain point in a person’s life where she’s inspired them. Even in the darkest of times, Ahsoka brings people joy and that’s what truly matters.
Ahsoka taught us that, “You don’t need to carry a sword to be powerful…” and Dave Filoni reminded me that kindness is powerful. After 12 years (and hopefully many more to come!) of having Ahsoka in our lives, #AhsokaLivesInAllOfUs now. I am blown away by everyone’s kindness. I’ve read all of your messages, DM’s, comments, text messages and emails and to say “thank you” does not even feel adequate enough to express what your kind words mean to me.
It’s my wish that Ahsoka continues to bring people joy, light and most importantly hope. This is the way of Ahsoka Tano.
#starwars #ahsokatano #ahsokalives
I really didn’t like this one. The Mandaorian is increasingly leaning into the MCU formula of being more interesting in advertising the next breadcrumb in a vague future story than telling an interesting one right now. And dear Bob this week’s story was not interesting, even though it had all the elements to do so right there. Nobody has a personality, nobody has motivations, I don’t care about any of them.
At least the fights look good this time. Micheal Biehn’s blaster shotgun was pretty cool too.
There is going to be a lot to tie together and I’m not confident it will work.
Starbuck and Co. are after Gus Fring and his Darksabre. Gus Fring wants Baby Goku for his Super Soldier Program. A-Shock wants General Prawn because.. reasons… and a possible spinoff? And Mando is proving to be the worst foster parent by taking Baby Goku on a road trip through the shittiest part of the galaxy to find a marginally decent parent figure to dump him with. To be fair, Mando is doing that because he has no personality and poor decision making skills.
I don’t see a lot of resolution any time soon as Disney wants the show to run for a few more years. We’ll get some bits of story closure the “saga” will keep going.
The more I think about the character of Din “The Mandalorian” Djarin, the more I see how badly conceived and written he (and the show) is.
In this quest with the Child, he always gets sucked into terrible deals with him doing something wildly dangerous to only get some minuscule bit of information to take him to the next bad deal. In a lot of the situations, he comes across as a few steps behind and has to force his way out. He rarely seems to have any agency.
And when he does manage to have a bout of competency, it feels like the writers just say, “Mary Sue Powers Activate!” It feels forced and out of place.
I do wonder if Mando not having his helmet on all the time would help the development of the character. I can see in maybe a season finale his helmet is forcibly removed and everyone sees his face. This sets off an identity crisis for him.
I’m just relieved that everyone who was upset by a character eating eggs and Stormtroopers being shot at was absolutely fine with the multiple humans shown suffering in Electrical Torture Booths this episode.
Wow you’re still hung up on that thing?
Funny thing is, last episode made the whole egg eating thing even worse than it already was, because it turns out goku was an intelligent being all along, fully aware of his surroundings and his actions and the actions of others… so it means that he was fully aware that he was eating someone’s babies… so yeah, that shitty merch ad turns out to be a fuckin asshole, and a murderous one at that.
I’m just relieved that everyone who was upset by a character eating eggs and Stormtroopers being shot at was absolutely fine with the multiple humans shown suffering in Electrical Torture Booths this episode.
The people were being tortured by the villain of the piece. Djarin and Ashoka Tano went there to save them. Unless you’re saying that Grogu’s morality should be placed on the same side as the people Djarin is usually fighting against?
Wow you’re still hung up on that thing?
It’s not just that, but it’s the best example (and to be clear I’m not just talking about reactions on this board but in the wider reviews of and reactions to Mandalorian that are floating around).
I think it’s all a little bit artificial and not really reflective of people’s true feelings.
But to some extent these things are now a product of the online environment. There’s clearly an impetus to analyse things in such a way as to find any possible controversy and highlight it upfront – partly due to concern over anything that remotely risks being seen as Problematic but also – in the case of the reviews – to put any positive sentiments you have beyond reproach from people who might find problems with it. A kind of anticipating-the-backlash thing.
It’s why I’ve seen reviews of the latest episode that talk as much about lawsuits against Rosario Dawson and the campaign against Gina Carano as they do about the story itself. Or of the previous episode that talk about the horrible violence done to that little weasel-puppet thing. Because what once would have been background noise and niche complaints have been spotlighted to the extent that they become major talking points over and above what is happening in the show itself. It’s the social media/twitter effect where tiny things get blown out of proportion.
In the case of baby Yoda and the eggs specifically, it’s taking a silly cutesy moment that’s on a par with Chewy barbecuing a Porg or the Ewoks tying up Han Solo and roasting him over a fire (or any number of silly moments of humour from the Star Wars movies) and taking it overly seriously, then amplifying it and daring anyone to disagree.
It’s not an inherently offensive moment (unless I guess you’re watching with very small kids who don’t grasp the humour of it) and I think the vast majority of people would find it funny rather that upsetting, and very much in line with the cutesy-but-sometimes-cruel humour that has shown up throughout Star Wars. But today, for various reasons, I think there are people who are deliberately interpreting moments like that in the most Problematic context possible.
I’m just relieved that everyone who was upset by a character eating eggs and Stormtroopers being shot at was absolutely fine with the multiple humans shown suffering in Electrical Torture Booths this episode.
The people were being tortured by the villain of the piece. Djarin and Ashoka Tano went there to save them. Unless you’re saying that Grogu’s morality should be placed on the same side as the people Djarin is usually fighting against?
Oh, I’m not thinking about it in the context of the morality of the show itself but more in terms of the real-world implications.
I learned from a lot of the controversies around shows like 24 (and my understanding is that it’s still the case) that whenever torture is shown on-screen as part of entertainment, Amnesty International write to the producers to emphasise that torture is something that unfortunately still happens to people in the real world and that making it part of entertainment undercuts people’s understanding of what a serious and unpleasant problem it is in the real world and leads to greater acceptance of it as a military and intelligence tool.
You would think that if someone had a problem with a show that depicted baby Yoda eating eggs and a weasel getting hit then they would definitely share the kind of concerns that Amnesty International has over real-world torture, but I guess everyone makes their own individual judgements on these things.
I’m just relieved that everyone who was upset by a character eating eggs and Stormtroopers being shot at was absolutely fine with the multiple humans shown suffering in Electrical Torture Booths this episode.
The people were being tortured by the villain of the piece. Djarin and Ashoka Tano went there to save them. Unless you’re saying that Grogu’s morality should be placed on the same side as the people Djarin is usually fighting against?
Oh, I’m not thinking about it in the context of the morality of the show itself but more in terms of the real-world implications.
I learned from a lot of the controversies around shows like 24 (and my understanding is that it’s still the case) that whenever torture is shown on-screen as part of entertainment, Amnesty International write to the producers to emphasise that torture is something that unfortunately still happens to people in the real world and that making it part of entertainment undercuts people’s understanding of what a serious and unpleasant problem it is in the real world and leads to greater acceptance of it as a military and intelligence tool.
You would think that if someone had a problem with a show that depicted baby Yoda eating eggs and a weasel getting hit then they would definitely share the kind of concerns that Amnesty International has over real-world torture, but I guess everyone makes their own individual judgements on these things.
Are you familiar with my good friend, the Logical Fallacy of Relative Privation?
Are you familiar with my good friend, the Logical Fallacy of Relative Privation?
Yes, because as part of my legal studies I had to learn about lots of adversarial debating tactics including crooked thinking and faulty logic, and learn how to recognise it and counter it.
I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at though because in this instance my argument doesn’t fall under that description. In simple terms, the relative privation fallacy would apply if I had tried to justify something bad as being acceptable because it could be worse (or vice versa – complaining about something good as being poor because it could be better).
I’m not making the argument that baby Yoda eating eggs is fine because real-world torture exists. I’m making the argument that if people are getting upset about something trivial like that but not getting concerned about something much more serious like the torture aspects then perhaps their reactions are not as proportionate and rational and well-calibrated as they think.
(Amnesty’s argument doesn’t fall under that logical fallacy description either – it’s based on research that shows the general effect that depictions of torture in entertainment have on society’s acceptance of torture as a tool of conflict and lack of concern about real-world examples.)
Just to be clear, I’m not personally upset about the depiction of torture in the episode, but I’m surprised that those who have shown concern for far less problematic elements of the show are unconcerned about it. Perhaps it makes Amnesty’s point that we’re actually more desensitised to that kind of thing than we might like to think.
Are you familiar with my good friend, the Logical Fallacy of Relative Privation?
We have met on numerous occasions but are no longer on speaking terms.
I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at though because in this instance my argument doesn’t fall under that description. In simple terms, the relative privation fallacy would apply if I had tried to justify something bad as being acceptable because it could be worse (or vice versa – complaining about something good as being poor because it could be better).
But you are arguing that people can’t complain about Grogu eating the eggs of a sentient life form because other characters are doing immoral acts.
I’m not making the argument that baby Yoda eating eggs is fine because real-world torture exists. I’m making the argument that if people are getting upset about something trivial like that but not getting concerned about something much more serious like the torture aspects then perhaps their reactions are not as proportionate and rational and well-calibrated as they think.
And like I said upthread, that ignores every scrap of context in the stories, the milieu Star Wars exists in, and that yeah, in a lot of ways Grogu eating Frog Lady’s eggs is worse than torture.
Let’s say, for example that you’re watching a western. There’s a gruff gunslinger and a precocious child. And the child is eating soup in one scene. The gunslinger asks the kid what he’s eating, and the kid says “unfertilised human ova”, smiles and a little bit of the soup trickles down his chin The scene is played for laughs in terms of the line delivery and shot composition. Is that scene acceptable in an adventure story? Is it more or less acceptable if the rugged gunslinger shoots someone dead? Is it more or less acceptable if the person the gunslinger shot dead kicked a cat? Or if the person that got shot was cruel and heartless in other ways? What happens when you discover that the ova are from a woman who can no longer carry children and represented her last chance at having children?
The idea that the villain, and I’m going to repeat this the fucking villain in a story did a bad thing and people didn’t complain that the villain who got their comeuppance in the same episode did the bad thing means that they’re not allowed to complain when one of the protagonists did a bad thing and faced no moral repercussions is not an argument that I can put any credence in.
This is even leaving aside that Grogu eating Frog Lady’s eggs was played for laughs while the torture of the villagers was not.
You can argue that Grogu eating the eggs isn’t that bad, I guess. But to continually argue that Grogu eating the eggs is OK because of immoral acts that are performed by the antagonists of a story; or immoral acts that are considered acceptable by the virtue of the show’s settings is not a good argument. It ignores that Grogu is meant to be a hero, and that as best we can tell, eating the eggs of a sapient life form is not considered acceptable in a Star Wars story in the same way gunning down Stormtroopers is.
It’s also worth noting that shows like 24 pushed torture to get information as a good thing for the protagonists to do. I’m pretty sure a lot of the people who didn’t complain about the villagers getting tortured this week wouldn’t be too pleased if Din Djarin started beating… I dunno, a Bothan senseless and then taking a pliers to his fingers in order to find out where the Jedi Temple or whatever his next fucking quest marker is.
You can argue that Grogu eating the eggs isn’t that bad, I guess. But to continually argue that Grogu eating the eggs is OK because of immoral acts that are performed by the antagonists of a story; or immoral acts that are considered acceptable by the virtue of the show’s settings is not a good argument.
It’s a good job I’m not arguing that then. (Are you familiar with my good friend, the Strawman?)
I’ve been pretty clear above but my observation is that people have got disproportionately and unreasonably upset about a scene that was clearly played for laughs in the context of the show, with a childlike innocent character eating the other character’s eggs because it didn’t know any better, a scene that has lots of very similar precedents in Star Wars. And I think it’s interesting that when much worse stuff happens in the show, they aren’t so bothered, because a big online fuss hasn’t been whipped up about it.
I’m not making any arguments about the relative merits of people’s various actions in the show and using one to justify another, in-universe. I’m talking entirely about the reaction outside the show.
You can argue that Grogu eating the eggs isn’t that bad, I guess.
This is literally it.
But look, I’m aware that this is making a mountain out of a molehill, and not even a molehill that I’m particularly invested in. To stretch a metaphor. I’m happy to drop it at this point and never mention the eggs again.
(Watch it now become a major plot point in the finale.)
(Watch it now become a major plot point in the finale.)
The eggs have gestated in the chest of Grogu, to be continued in “X-Men: Brood Bro”, in cinemas 2029
I’ve been pretty clear above but my observation is that people have got disproportionately and unreasonably upset about a scene that was clearly played for laughs in the context of the show, with a childlike innocent character eating the other character’s eggs because it didn’t know any better, a scene that has lots of very similar precedents in Star Wars. And I think it’s interesting that when much worse stuff happens in the show, they aren’t so bothered, because a big online fuss hasn’t been whipped up about it.
I don’t think you’ve understood at all why people are upset about it.
Daddy, daddy, don’t fight no more please!! I’m getting Parker-Lorcan-Rogan flashbacks!
I hope I know Lorcan well enough at this point to feel that we can have a discussion like this without it being at all personal – there’s no bad feeling intended from me.
And look, someone has to debate the key issues facing the world today.
I hope I know Lorcan well enough at this point to feel that we can have a discussion like this without it being at all personal – there’s no bad feeling intended from me.
And look, someone has to debate the key issues facing the world today.
Personally, I feel quite bad about having to defend this stupid TV show.
Don’t know what the hell you all are arguing about. I’ve been watching this show that gives me 40 or so minutes of entertainment on a weekly basis. Nothing wrong with that, as far as I can see.
“Man rolling in money has no need for moral philosophy.”
unfertilised human ova
I know what I want for breakfast!
Don’t know what the hell you all are arguing about. I’ve been watching this show that gives me 40 or so minutes of entertainment on a weekly basis. Nothing wrong with that, as far as I can see.
Oh cool, I could do with an entertaining TV show. What’s it called?
Don’t know what the hell you all are arguing about. I’ve been watching this show that gives me 40 or so minutes of entertainment on a weekly basis. Nothing wrong with that, as far as I can see.
You’re lucky that you’re getting entertainment from it…
I’m making the argument that if people are getting upset about something trivial like that but not getting concerned about something much more serious like the torture aspects then perhaps their reactions are not as proportionate and rational and well-calibrated as they think.
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Just to be clear, I’m not personally upset about the depiction of torture in the episode, but I’m surprised that those who have shown concern for far less problematic elements of the show are unconcerned about it. Perhaps it makes Amnesty’s point that we’re actually more desensitised to that kind of thing than we might like to think.
Well, I don’t know about all those people getting incredibly upset about this issue, who I am sure must be around somewhere. Personally (and I think this goes for most of the people in this thread at least), I was a bit dumbfounded because – and I think I mentioned this before – I don’t like bad storytelling, and having your cute co-protagonist eat the nice lady’s spawn really isn’t that well thought-out to me, but rather quite a what-the-fuck moment. As opposed to, you know, showing the bad guys doing bad stuff and then getting killed for it, which isn’t exactly revolutionary, but it’s a solid way to go for a space adventure show. The difference being that in the latter instance, the viewer gets the satisfaction of seeing terrible actions punished, and in the former, getting put into the position of being supposed to laugh heartily of what is actually a pretty terrible action. Just doesn’t work narratively.
Whether showing torture in fiction is something to get upset about is… well, it’s a completely different issue. Personally, I am all for showing torture provided it serves a good story purpose and one that isn’t inherently politically problematic (compare e.g. Martyrs to Ron Marz’s woman in the refrigerator, or the aforementioned discussion about the use of torture in police procedurals or 24, which I agree is at least something to be discussed.)
I really don’t think the two things are connected in any way at all. I wouldn’t have minded Moff Gideon eating the frog lady’s eggs, I swear I wouldn’t.
(Though I did hate that scene in which Denethor was eating his dinenr, fat running over his lips, set to a battle montage in which his son is killed, because Denethor in the books was many things, but he wasn’t a fucking sadistic hedonist, Peter Jackson! How did you manage to get everything so right in the first movie and so many things so badly wrong in all the other ones!)
Don’t know what the hell you all are arguing about. I’ve been watching this show that gives me 40 or so minutes of entertainment on a weekly basis. Nothing wrong with that, as far as I can see.
Oh cool, I could do with an entertaining TV show. What’s it called?
I think he’s talking about Fargo.
Don’t know what the hell you all are arguing about. I’ve been watching this show that gives me 40 or so minutes of entertainment on a weekly basis. Nothing wrong with that, as far as I can see.
Oh cool, I could do with an entertaining TV show. What’s it called?
I know it’s not Discovery, that much is certain.
I know it’s not Discovery, that much is certain.
Oh, so now we’re talking Star Trek in the Star Wars thread, are we? Cats and dogs living together, eh? A friend has lost his friends hammer? This is complete anarchy and the reason why we can’t have nice things! Nice job, Christian!
Don’t know what the hell you all are arguing about. I’ve been watching this show that gives me 40 or so minutes of entertainment on a weekly basis. Nothing wrong with that, as far as I can see.
Oh cool, I could do with an entertaining TV show. What’s it called?
I know it’s not Discovery, that much is certain.
DISCO has its flaws, but I’ll take it over Mandalorian any day of the week
I’ll take the egg-chomping over all the crying any day of the week.
As for myself, I’ll just say this… I’m not morally outraged about a fictitious creature eating another fictitious creature’s eggs… It’s just that it was a badly written scene, and no amount of discussion is gonna change my mind about that… they wanted to do something for laughs and ’cause it’d be “cute”, but in the end it was extremely cruel to the guest character. I entirley blame the writers for doing a bad job… mind you, it’s not the only instance of bad writting, or even the worst, in this show.
That’s it.
I’ll take the egg-chomping over all the crying any day of the week.
I’m sure they’ve eaten eggs in Discovery. It’s just they were replicated instead of being the last hope for a character to have a family.
I’ll take the egg-chomping over all the crying any day of the week.
Oh fuck yes, no doubt about that… god, I hope the don’t fuck up the Expanse and I’m glad it’s coming out soon ’cause both “high profile” sci-fi shows right now are rather shit in the writing department… and I kinda need my dose of well written sci-fi.
Just watched it, an OK episode that seemed to be all about clearing up the Baby Yoda mystery. Do the answers work? I’m not sure they do.
Dropping in Thrawn is all well and good but there’s a track record here of plenty of teasing and no delivery. One of the books left a plot hanging of a pirate Super Star Destroyer – nothing’s been done with it for years.
I agree with Lorcan that they are going to try to apply the MCU style to SW, but I’m not convinced it’ll work. I’m even sceptical it’ll work for MCU phase 4, but that won’t stop Disney strip mining the hell out of the method.
Don’t know what the hell you all are arguing about. I’ve been watching this show that gives me 40 or so minutes of entertainment on a weekly basis. Nothing wrong with that, as far as I can see.
Oh cool, I could do with an entertaining TV show. What’s it called?
Frasier.
Don’t know what the hell you all are arguing about. I’ve been watching this show that gives me 40 or so minutes of entertainment on a weekly basis. Nothing wrong with that, as far as I can see.
Oh cool, I could do with an entertaining TV show. What’s it called?
Frasier.
lorcan_nagle wrote:
njerry wrote:
Don’t know what the hell you all are arguing about. I’ve been watching this show that gives me 40 or so minutes of entertainment on a weekly basis. Nothing wrong with that, as far as I can see.
Oh cool, I could do with an entertaining TV show. What’s it called?
I think he’s talking about Fargo.
Yeah, that’s a good one too.
lorcan_nagle wrote:
njerry wrote:
Don’t know what the hell you all are arguing about. I’ve been watching this show that gives me 40 or so minutes of entertainment on a weekly basis. Nothing wrong with that, as far as I can see.
Oh cool, I could do with an entertaining TV show. What’s it called?
I think he’s talking about Fargo.
Yeah, that’s a good one too.
OK, taking notes… Fargo… Frasier…
While we’re arguing about the morality of Grogu munching on frog-lady’s eggs and villains tortuting people, did everyone forget that it was strongly implied in Solo that Chewbacca had been eating POWs?
He was a POW himself, not like the Commanders XO.
While we’re arguing about the morality of Grogu munching on frog-lady’s eggs and villains tortuting people, did everyone forget that it was strongly implied in Solo that Chewbacca had been eating POWs?
Huh. Must’ve blocked out that part. He did?
Huh. Must’ve blocked out that part. He did?
The troopers threw Han down to him with the implication that Chewie was going to eat him, and one of them saying Chewie hadn’t eaten in three days.
I’ve been watching this show that gives me 40 or so minutes of entertainment on a weekly basis.
I agree with Jerry.
I loved Rosario Dawson. She did a great job with Ahsoka and looked amazingly like the toon.
I realize it may be out of your comfort zone but hey instead sitting at a computer complaining go watch Clone Wars and Rebels and learn more about her.
Thrawn was the main villain in the last few seasons of Rebels so that might be why his name was dropped.
Filoni was in charge of both those cartoons and has been mentioned to be the main source of Star Wars info on the Mando.
I also loved the tweet from Ashley Eckstein(the original voice of Ahsoka)
as to the argument involving Grogu and the villain.
simply put Grogu is supposed to be a good guy. Good guys are heroes and public figures and held to a higher standard.
As far as the torture goes, the general public is desensitized. the current generation of children have seen things that would horrify previous generations of children.
Huh. Must’ve blocked out that part. He did?
The troopers threw Han down to him with the implication that Chewie was going to eat him, and one of them saying Chewie hadn’t eaten in three days.
Ah, right. Yeah, that was also daft and would grate if anyone stopped to think about it. (Which I assume pretty much nobody did.)
<span style=”caret-color: #222222; color: #222222; font-family: Raleway, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;”>Dropping in Thrawn is all well and good but there’s a track record here of plenty of teasing and no delivery. One of the books left a plot hanging of a pirate Super Star Destroyer – nothing’s been done with it for years.
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The books let Kevin J Anderson write a trilogy so they were never on the highest ground ( which I understand is important). Filoni has 2 series that shows he pays off his long term plans.
Well, I wasn’t expecting that…
The last episode was OK, but something felt off. Part of it was the whole Ahsoka versus the Stormtroopers sequence, which could also be said to illustrate why the PT has robot enemies. A Jedi slaughtering everyone feels off. There was also some rather blatant plot armour for the main adversaries too, especially the Magistrate.
This one, however, yeah, this one worked by playing against what the viewer might have thought in a way that felt fair. In particular the whole meet-up and resolution with the main characters, with it not being a punch-up.
The rest of the episode also took some chances in a major way and they paid off. The future direction for the final two episodes is obvious, but I suspect the execution may deliver some surprises.
Just watched this week’s episode. It didn’t entirely work for me, a bit too much of a live-action cartoon at times, but it had its moments. And then when I saw it was directed by Rodriguez, I was like… of course. It’s all very him.
uhh Boba Fatt… =P
I’m assuming there’s a canonical reason why his face is all fucked up… kind of a meh episode, but that shot of agent of shield jumping off and shooting was pretty sweet, not gonna lie. The CGI dark troopers were kind of a let down though, they looked fake and weren’t even that cool looking. Pretty disappointed with that design.
Also, Darth Gustavo needs a helmet or something, I just can’t take him seriously when he just looks likeEdgar Fring with a moustache, that’s not the best casting they’ve done… the dude’s got only one mode, and it’s very good in the right setting, but it just doesn’t work for me in here, with his silly plastic costume and that weirdo moustache.
Couple of SUPER dumb things though: 1) “Drop the jetpack”???? Seriosuly? The guy’s got guns and wrist rockets but it’s the jetpack he needs to put down? I’m sorry that’s just the laziest type of writing. 2) Why would he go spring whatshisface from prison when he KNOWS that the much cooler and probably efficient Bo Katan & her mando buddies are also looking for Darth Fring? 3) when you just got knocked down by a force field, the best option is to do the exact same thing again… Seriously, I really think Mando has brain damage… no one is that dumb.
Lastly: If we don’t get a guest by Sebastian Stan as young(er) Luke by the end of the season, I’m gonna be sorely disapointed.
As to Fett’s face no reason has been set yet. It’s expected to be due to Sarlacc stomach acid.
I mean, I’d say that makes sense but mando got into a dragon’s stomach in the premiere and it looked like his armour protected him so, who knows…
Also, meh, I dunno, I don’t see how bringing Luke in unbalances anything more than all of the guests they’ve had so far, and even the baby yoda itself… but it was just a thought, I doubt they would use such an a-list character…
I found this episode incredibly frustrating, because it was 50% excellent and 50% the same old bullshit IMO. The opening sequence of Din Djarin and Grogu in the cockpit of the Razor Crest was probably the most characterisation Djarin has had, the sequence of Boba Fett taking out the Stormtroopers looked great, Ming-Na Wen’s character got to actually be a badass this time – but at the same time Djarin’s basically bumbling around with a forcefield he couldn’t get through over and over again. And then the episode structurally is the same as the penultimate episode form last year – Djarin goes on a job, winds up teaming up with former enemies and then Grogu ends up in Gideon’s hands at the end of the episode.
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Just wait until next episode where it’s 35 solid minutes of him filling out the insurance forms for the Razor Crest.
filling out the insurance forms for the Razor Crest.
If that means we get to see more of Slave 1, i’m willing to deal with the loss of the Razor Crest( i always thought that was a silly name and kept reminding me of the 80s prime time soap FalconCrest. all those shows back then seemed to be copies of Dallas, )
i’m willing to deal with the loss of the Razor Crest( i always thought that was a silly name and kept reminding me of the 80s prime time soap FalconCrest
Thank goodness no other major Star Wars spaceships are reminiscent of that name.