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Both Enterprise and DISCO are set in the past before TNG. I would like to have seen what the Andorians, Gorn, etc. are up to in the TNG era. Also, when the Klingons broke the Organian treaty in the DS9 episodes, where were the Organians? Or even in that episode “Yesterday’s Enterprise where the Federation and Klingons were at war?
The writers flagrantly ignore continuity, like in Voyager when they went they time traveled back to the 90’s, no mention of Khan or anything.
The lack of prominent TOS-era aliens in TNG and DS9 was conspicuous.
The Gorn would likely be problematic from a production standpoint; they would need an updated design and more articulation, and would probably be budget busters. Most of the alien designs from the TNG/DS9/VOY period came down to a funny-looking noses, foreheads, or ears.
The redesigns of the Gorn and Tholians in Enterprise were done with CGI; the Gorn was more lizard-like and the Tholian was a full-bodied crystaline entity.
I wonder if the lack of others, like Orions, Tellarites, and Andorians, came down to someone like Berman or Piller thinking they looked silly.
The Eugenics War is something they’ve kind of danced around. When it was introduced in “The Space Seed,” it was only three decades away in real time, and we’ve since passed that time period. I seem to recall an episode of DS9 seemed to mention it as happening two hundred years ago, which it retcon near Enterprise‘s era. That was, of course, before Enterprise was even a gleam in Berman and Braga’s eyes.
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The lack of prominent TOS-era aliens in TNG and DS9 was conspicuous.
For TNG at least, the producers wanted to blaze their own trail to some degree and that was why they only rarely had Vulcan crewmembers, to reduce comparisons with Spock.
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There were a few Vulcans serving aboard the Enterprise-D, though most of them only made single appearances and weren’t recurring characters.
Dr. Selar comes to mind; she was featured prominently in one second season episode, and made no more appearances, though she mentioned in several later episodes. (Too bad Selar wasn’t Crusher’s replacement in season two; Pulaski never seemed to click with crew.)
And then there was Taurik from “Lower Decks,” in season seven.
I’m sure there were a few others that I can’t recall at the moment.
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For TNG at least, the producers wanted to blaze their own trail to some degree and that was why they only rarely had Vulcan crewmembers, to reduce comparisons with Spock.
…and instead created a new character with basically the same personality traits and emotional dilemma. Which worked brilliantly, though, one has to admit, in no small part due to Spiner’s performance.
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For TNG at least, the producers wanted to blaze their own trail to some degree and that was why they only rarely had Vulcan crewmembers, to reduce comparisons with Spock.
…and instead created a new character with basically the same personality traits and emotional dilemma. Which worked brilliantly, though, one has to admit, in no small part due to Spiner’s performance.
The decision not to have a Vulcan main character was a correct one. Spock’s shadow loomed large, and including a Spock 2.0 in TNG would have been a mistake.
Data was a clever alternative, having a machine who wanted to be a man instead of a man who wanted to be a machine. TMP gets shit on a lot, but it does present Spock with an interesting arc, where V’ger presents sort of an ideal for Spock, a paragon of perfect logic that he aspires to be, but he learns that V’ger is ultimately unfulfilled with its existence.
Spock had a great character arc throughout TOS and the films. By the final film, Spock had made peace with who he was, embracing both his Vulcan and Human sides.
I found Data’s character arc, which (maybe?) ended in the first season of Picard to be both horrifying and touching. Data was always striving to be human, and part of being human is dying, which he chose to embrace, even though he could have been immortal. I kind of hated it, but I think it did make sense for the character.
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He is back
"The trial never ends." ✨ #StarTrekPicard #FirstContactDay pic.twitter.com/42ey4IyN2y
— Star Trek (@StarTrek) April 5, 2021
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"We are not in this alone."
Star Trek: Discovery season four, coming soon ✨ #StarTrekDiscovery #FirstContactDay pic.twitter.com/ZRoI2QRNqp
— Star Trek (@StarTrek) April 5, 2021
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Lower Decks Season 2 time:
LOWER DECKS! LOWER DECKS! LOWER DECKS!
An all-new season is beaming in later this year 🙌 #FirstContactDay #StarTrekLowerDecks #StarTrek pic.twitter.com/L0Zg7jT1Ls
— Star Trek (@StarTrek) April 5, 2021
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First look at Janeway in Prodigy, she will be a Emergency Training Hologram, and the series is set in the Delta Quadrant.
Primer vistazo a Janeway en #StarTrekProdigy , que será un Emergency Training Hologram pic.twitter.com/ewJNfdWlar
— Eduardo Blake (@edublake) April 5, 2021
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Paramount+ has handed #StarTrekLowerDecks an early renewal for a third season https://t.co/JF7Zcaz6hI
— Deadline Hollywood (@DEADLINE) April 5, 2021
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I’m going to make an obnoxious fanboy demand here, but they absolutely need to include a live-action scene in Lower Decks at some point where the voice actors play their characters in real life.
I want a transporter accident where Mariner, Boimler, Tendi, and Rutherford get transported into the fourth dimension…
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"We are not in this alone."
Star Trek: Discovery season four, coming soon ✨ #StarTrekDiscovery #FirstContactDay pic.twitter.com/ZRoI2QRNqp
— Star Trek (@StarTrek) April 5, 2021
Very considerate of them to make it clear in the trailer that the show is going to be just as nauseatingly over-emotional and corny as the last season. No thanks.
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A New STAR TREK Feature Film Is Coming in June 2023 (yahoo.com)
…First off, the film set to be directed by Fargo and Legion’s Noah Hawley has been cancelled, so it’s not likely going to be that one. According to The Hollywood Reporter, Hawley’s script would have dealt with a galaxy-wide pandemic. In these coronavirus times, it would have felt more than a little tone-deaf. Hawley’s take would have also featured a new cast of characters, which also possibly made Paramount a bit nervous.
Meanwhile, the script The Revenant’s Mark L. Smith wrote for Quentin Tarantino to direct is apparently still in play, despite rumors to the contrary. It seems QT has moved on from the notion of directing that one however. That script is taking place in “largely earthbound in a 30s gangster setting.” This suggests a reimagining of the classic series episode “A Piece of the Action,” or maybe even “The City on the Edge of Forever.” The third script is a reuniting of the cast from the J.J. Abrams trilogy for another adventure. These last two seem the most likely…
In regard to stories about pandemics, I always think it’s funny that studios are afraid to give the go ahead to scripts like this because we are going to see a whole slew of pandemic films next year, I’m sure. After Katrina, we got a bunch of weather related disaster movies. After 9/11, we got a bunch of movies with buildings being knocked over. It takes a year at least for movies to be made and then scheduled for release. Whatever is in the news now will not still be as hot or touchy a year from now. It’s silly.
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I am just SO ANGRY that they dicked around and wasted Noah Hawley’s time, the fucking fucks. I want to get as much content as possible out of that man before it turns out he’s a terrible asshole like everybody else and has to go away.
God, I hope that Alien series happens.
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I am just SO ANGRY that they dicked around and wasted Noah Hawley’s time, the fucking fucks. I want to get as much content as possible out of that man before it turns out he’s a terrible asshole like everybody else and has to go away.
God, I hope that Alien series happens.
In the near future, everyone will be famous for fifteen minutes, then get milkshake ducked.
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The third script is a reuniting of the cast from the J.J. Abrams trilogy for another adventure
I would love to see that cast back together. Especially Urban as Bones. I like to see actors return to roles after they have a breakout as another type of character. To me, I would love to Bones McCoy played in the style of Billy Butcher.
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To me, I would love to Bones McCoy played in the style of Billy Butcher.
“Fuck it Jim, I’m a wanker not a cunt.”
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Riker always struck me as the kind of man who very much enjoys watching.
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And this letter doesn’t even get to every casting option. Billy Campbell from The Rocketeer was a popular contender for Riker as well at one point.
It’s interesting to see how many actors that read for a lead on TNG came back in other roles, like Rosalind Chao as Keiko, Billy Campell as Okona, Julia Nickson as a bridge officer early in TNG and then in DS9, Tim Russ guested in TNG and DS9 before landing the role of Tuvok, Kevin Peter Hall guested in TNG…
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For TNG at least, the producers wanted to blaze their own trail to some degree and that was why they only rarely had Vulcan crewmembers, to reduce comparisons with Spock.
While they did have Klingons out the wazoo in TNG. And they kept showing up in the original cast Star Trek movies of the 80’s as well.
Romulans were also a big part of the Next Generation, actually. I’d say Klingons and Romulans probably really came into their own there. Honestly, it would be interesting to see a Star Trek show entirely from the point of view of a Romulan crew as they contend with the interference of the Federation and the Enterprise.
Something that isn’t really explored or even demonstrated with Romulans is that even though they are essentially the same species as the Vulcans, the shows don’t take into account that they would be just as superintelligent as Vulcans. It’s not logic that makes the Vulcans smart, but their natural cerebral capacity. Really, Romulans should all be like Khan simply from natural evolution.
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While they did have Klingons out the wazoo in TNG. And they kept showing up in the original cast Star Trek movies of the 80’s as well.
Romulans were also a big part of the Next Generation, actually. I’d say Klingons and Romulans probably really came into their own there. Honestly, it would be interesting to see a Star Trek show entirely from the point of view of a Romulan crew as they contend with the interference of the Federation and the Enterprise.
While the Klingons were fairly common antagonists in TOS – they had 7 appearances- the Romulans only had 2, with a mention in a third episode. TNG would do some weird things with them both that don’t really get discussed very often, especially in the context of fans getting worked up about the Klingons being different in Discovery. In TOS, especially in their first appearance the Romulans are closer to the archetype of the noble warrior, while the Klingon episodes are frequently grounded in realpolitik-inspired battles of ideology and influence backed up with arms – such as Errand of Mercy and A Private Little War. There’s little of the honour-obsessed martial culture we see from TNG onwards on display here, and it’s quite telling when Kor, Koloth and Kang show up on DS9 and have a blood oath.
Part of this was the decision to have a Klingon regular in TNG, to represent the detente between the US and the Soviet Union, and Roddenberry’s ideals for Trek had sorta ossified by the time – a desire for the Enterprise crew to be paragons of virtue meant that Worf had to have positive traits as a former enemy, so he became an honourable warrior archetype. The Romulans then kinda morphed over time from noble enemy to more underhanded one, with their use of cloaking devices changing from a metaphor for submarine warfare to pervasive observation. Interestingly as TNG and later DS9 would expand on Klingon culture (by which I mean Ron Moore would do this), Gowron would seem to embody a lot of the older elements of the species portrayal, especially when he would come into conflict with Worf, Picard and Sisko.
All that said, it’s not incompatible with the reasons they didn’t have a Vulcan in the TNG cast or indeed didn’t feature them very often in the show. Having Worf as a character allowed them to tie TNG to TOS by having an iconic alien race on the bridge that wasn’t just a guy in pointy ears, and explore a different dynamic than logic vs emotion. The same way they did have an emotionless character in the show but was Spock’s polar opposite.
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Anyway, he is back in season 2 of Picard. That should boost ratings somewhat and be a plot device as he could change the show with the snap of a finger.
True – though it would be strange for Q to do anything that significantly knocks the story out of its normal trajectory. Q’s entire M.O. was to force Picard to see his situation from a different perspective, but not to change anything permanently. The outcome always depended on the choices that Picard and the crew made. Though he seemed much more interested in Picard and Data than anyone else.
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The outcome always depended on the choices that Picard and the crew made.
The episode “Tapestry” is a great example of this.
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It does make sense that Q would be involved. Certainly, I don’t think the continuum would have lost interest in humanity or its android progeny. However, it does seem they want to see the “natural” development of the species rather than to actively guide them. The Q lost their innovative spirit so their action seem more toward experimentation to learn more than active interference toward a specific goal.
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Also the different uses of the transporter as a plot device:
Split Kirk in two personalities
Combined Neelix and Tuvok
Turned crew into kids
Time travel (Gabriel Bell episodes ds9)
Travel to alternate reality ( Mirror, Mirror and DS9 episodes)
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Travel to alternate reality ( Mirror, Mirror and DS9 episodes)
Also Discovery, a similar transporter error was how Prime and Mirror Lorca swapped places to begin with.
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While warp speed has never been precisely defined (smart), scientist James O’Donoghue (via Science Alert) did some calculating and concluded that warp one is essentially light speed, and warps two through ten are just … faster, somehow. All well and good (though he goes on to demonstrate that at warp one, it would take the ship a disappointing four years plus just to go from Earth to Pluto), but the real problem is in the details. Consider an exciting action sequence in the Star Trek universe. The Enterprise is chasing a Klingon ship at warp one. The Klingons drop out of warp, and one second later, so does the Enterprise. But one second later puts the Enterprise 186,282 miles away. Even a fraction of second puts the ships tens of thousands of miles apart in the emptiness of space.
Someone made a boo-boo. If warp one is the speed of light, it would take about five hours to reach Pluto, not four years. I think they might have meant Alpha Centauri. I would assume that’s an error on the part of the writer of the article, and not scientist James O’Donoghue. It only took New Horizons about nine years to reach Pluto.
The Star Trek writers and producers are wise to keep the specifics of both warp speed and the locations of planets vague. Otherwise, keeping track of this stuff would be a nightmare.
Warp Speed is already sketchy enough as it is, especially when Voyager specifically stated that it would take seventy years to return to Federation space after they were dumped in the Delta Quadrant. Of course, we have seen ships constantly zipping between worlds like Bajor, Earth, Qonos, Vulcan, et al within the span of a year, which would probably be pretty similar to the distance across the galaxy. I’m sure the Enterprise-D probably had at least 75,000 light years on it when it crashed. And, of course, Kirk’s Enterprise went to the center of the galaxy and back within the span on one movie.
I have a simple rule for both Star Trek and Star Wars should always follow:
Never ask:
* How far away is it?
* How long does it take to get there?
* How much does it cost?Any answer you give to those questions will fuck up decades worth of continuity.
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Alternative rule: Any time any fanbase gets hold of numbers, bad things happen.
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Alternative rule: Any time any fanbase gets hold of numbers, bad things happen.
Karen Traviss quit writing for Star Wars because she was asked to write an article about the Clone Army for the official magazine, and some of the numbers-obsessed fans decided to hassle her incessantly because the Lucasfilm-mandated numbers in it didn’t match what they felt the true size of the army should be. They even claimed to have counted the number of people in that one scene in Attack of the Clones and it apparently had more people in it than the article said were in the army.
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Oh, that infamous 1.3m affair didn’t help, but it was Lucas changing the Mandalorians, via The Clone Wars cartoon, in a way that killed her entire series – or so she saw it that way – that saw Traviss quit writing SW.
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How big was the Clone Army supposed to be?
If the “1.3M affair” is supposed to mean 1.3 million clones, then that seems like a terribly low number. I think that something ten million Americans fought in WWII, so if we’re looking at a war on a galactic scale, you’re probably looking at billions of clone troopers.
War on that scale would be almost unimaginable…
And who’s paying for it?
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How big was the Clone Army supposed to be?
If the “1.3M affair” is supposed to mean 1.3 million clones, then that seems like a terribly low number. I think that something ten million Americans fought in WWII, so if we’re looking at a war on a galactic scale, you’re probably looking at billions of clone troopers.
War on that scale would be almost unimaginable…
And who’s paying for it?
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The former. it’s basically Sci-fi Writers have no Sense of Scale again. but this time it was someone in LucasFilm who decided that 1.3 million sounded like a huge army, and basically handed Traviss a list of company-mandated facts to work into an article that sounded authentic, her having a military background and all.
She then got it in the neck from… neckbeards
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The Enterprise is chasing a Klingon ship at warp one. The Klingons drop out of warp, and one second later, so does the Enterprise. But one second later puts the Enterprise 186,282 miles away. Even a fraction of second puts the ships tens of thousands of miles apart in the emptiness of space.
This isn’t a problem when you assume that phaser beams travel faster than light so distance isn’t an object. And remember that in the origianl series starships would fire at each other from so far away that they were mere dots on the (magnified) viewing screen.
It’s a problem in later ST series when starships would stupidly dogfight like WW1 fighter planes, flying a few dozen yards apart. I blame the Star Wars influence for that. Dogfights might look cool but they have no place in proper science fiction.
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proper science fiction.
what is proper science fiction? what makes science fiction improper? semantics rears its head. Maybe you might be referring to HARD science fiction. I’m not a fan of words like proper. I’ve spent much of my life being told to behave more properly.
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what is proper science fiction?
I can’t define it, but I know it when I see it.
I fully realise it’s a controversial term, but I stand by it. There are lots of things that pretend to be SF but aren’t.
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I fully realise it’s a controversial term, but I stand by it. There are lots of things that pretend to be SF but aren’t.
ok , but i believe that starship dogfights are SF………. Space Fantasy
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I’m fine with dogfights, but it was fantastic to see more realistic space battle for once in The Expanse.
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I’m fine with dogfights, but it was fantastic to see more realistic space battle for once in The Expanse.
I haven’t seen the TV show, but the book had possibly the best descriptions of space combat that I have ever read.
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I’m fine with dogfights, but it was fantastic to see more realistic space battle for once in The Expanse.
I haven’t seen the TV show, but the book had possibly the best descriptions of space combat that I have ever read.
The show dramas the action up a bit – the fights are a lot more close quarters than in the books, and it tends to tone down the clear implication in the books that the UN and Mars are basically playing at war because… well, what Marco does in book/series 5.
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How come Worf isn’t in that photo?!
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How come Worf isn’t in that photo?!
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he is, it’s just from a time period where he was hit with the augment virus.
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y u hatin on Dorn!
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With everything moving to streaming, and my fearing Paramount Plus (formerly CBS All Access) will try to make better inroads into Canada, found out some good news.
CTV To Air Two New Star Trek Series
CTV has announced their new series for the 2021/2022 series and included will be two new Star Trek shows, which will air on the CTV Sci-Fi Channel (formerly Space) in Canada.
Joining Star Trek: Discovery, Star Trek: Picard, and Star Trek: Lower Decks will be Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, and the animated Star Trek: Prodigy.
_____________________________________Rebecca Romijn Teases TOS Easter Eggs And Fun With Spock On ‘Star Trek: Strange New Worlds’
…they are currently in production on the seventh episode of the 10-episode first season. The Toronto-based production started in February, so this seems to confirm Mount’s comment from May that the show is off to a “smooth start,” despite new pandemic protocols…
“I can’t say anything else because there are so many Easter eggs on this show, but we are very, very, very excited to introduce this show.”
…is expected to arrive… in 2022.
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The voice cast of Prodigy beyond Mulgrew, revealed:
https://intl.startrek.com/news/meet-your-star-trek-prodigy-cast
Ooh Jason Mantzoukas?
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It’s the logical outcome of the invention of Instagram influencers.
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Someone could make a fortune shifting hair dye to the Vulcans.
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Time has been broken. #StarTrekPicard season two, coming 2022 💫 #StarTrek pic.twitter.com/OjqarMnFBr
— Star Trek (@StarTrek) June 16, 2021
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https://intl.startrek.com/news/season-2-of-star-trek-picard-drops-first-trailer
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Sorry for all the pics but as they say a picture is worth 1,000 words. 😂
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Nice touch incorporating Charlie Brown’s unrequited crush on the little red-haired girl.
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I’m a nerd.
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