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  • #90505

    I think that randomness (as far as this thread is concerned) doesn’t necessitate every post being a new topic or random comment.

    Bollocks! I guess I was confusing random with

  • #90514

    people will do what they want to satisfy themselves.

    They will but that also means convenience and fairness over just helping themselves. I currently have a Netflix and Disney + sub, I know perfectly well how to get all of that for free but I want to be fair and it is nice to click 2 buttons on my smart TV over downloading torrents or streaming sites filled with malware.

    That was the lesson learnt in the Napster to iTunes switch. You had to pay for iTunes but it was relatively cheap and easy to use (buying a single download today is still cheaper than what I paid for my first physical single in 1981).

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  • #90607

    Fucking twitter is giving me tweet after tweet about Elon Musk, fuck that guy. I actually got a tweet earlier that said “Elon Musk is the greatest living American”.

     

    I am just on twitter for the porn you assholes.

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  • #90627

    Blue is my favorite colour.

    Did you know, Nicolas Cage considered Nicolas Blue for a name before settling on Cage?

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  • #90649

    Blue is my favorite colour.

    Did you know, Nicolas Cage considered Nicolas Blue for a name before settling on Cage?

    Just imagine, you could have ended up obsessed with Blue movies.

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  • #90656

    Insisting on randomness…

    Well, next week will come the annual Star Wars puns (May the 4th be with you), then the Mexican Cinco de Mayo celebration. And let’s not forget the new Dr. Strange movie!

    This reddit site is good and bad. The desktop wallpaper section got some great postings!

    We made mention of illegal  cable boxes back in the day that gave you all the cable movie channels. The cable companies developed some tech that tracked down each cable box they issued and they were able to find out which household were using a hotbox by the signal.

    I don’t know how they will crack down on these special firesticks these days but I take it they are working on it! VPN and torrenting is another matter, but it just raises their suspicions for now.

     

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  • #90660

    This[?] reddit site is good and bad.

  • #90661

    VPN is incredibly difficult to control because it is a necessary and very accepted method of enabling secure remote access. Pretty much every multinational company uses it for work from home. In my last job even the staff in China had full access to Facebook and other banned sites because the parent company and servers were in the USA. So if China can’t shut it down it’s not going to happen elsewhere.

    Similarly Firesticks are just another Android platform, by creating an app your ISP has no idea where the traffic is going, unlike open website which are always trackable.

    I think you have to accept at times the tech is always going to be a step ahead, you just make the legal options more attractive.

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  • #90669

    you just make the legal options more attractive.

    Such as by increasing fees, eliminating multiple-user subscription, and introducing advertising to the streaming service? SOLD!!

  • #90671

    I can remember some selling the hotbox for about $200 in the black market. Then there were sites instructing how to build your own descrambler device. A lot of these superintendents and maintenance people in buildings would try to snatch up boxes when a tenant moved out. Now it all changed.

    Remember in the movie “American Pie” where the kid played with the wiring to view the porn channel even though it was scrambled?

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    We were talking about consumer behavior and those economic charts. I can remember the model of what a consumer would do given a budget, choices and time. It was described diminishing returns, ie. you may be satisfied and refreshed with a glass of water and it would mean a unit (a util) with a certain number value, but the 2nd and 3rd glass would be given less numbers. Similar to watching a movie or listening to a record a second and third time. So each consumer decides something like ” Will spending the next 2 hours watching this movie again be worth it, or will doing my other options give me more satisfaction?” Consumer behavior explained theoretically.

    Then there is the situation of being a billionaire like a Bezos or a Gates where if these models were a video game you would be in god mode. Theoretically with an unlimited budget, since everything is affordable, the satisfaction reaches a saturation point and accumulating more billions doesn’t really matter. Even buying a huge mansion estate with dozens of rooms, etc. brings its own problems as you have to pay for the upkeep of the whole thing.

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  • #90700

    This story suggests Netflix may not be the only ones to worry:

    British households have cancelled their streaming subscriptions in record numbers so far this year as families continue to grapple with the rising cost of living.

    A little more than 1.5 million video on-demand accounts were scrapped in the first three months of 2022, according to figures from market research firm Kantar, leaving platforms such as Disney+, Apple TV+ and Now concerned.

    Netflix and Amazon Prime, on the other hand, were found to be “the last to go when households are forced to prioritise spend”.

    More than half a million cancellations were attributed to “money saving”, with households budgeting for higher prices and energy bills instead, Kantar said.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/cost-of-living-crisis-uk-streaming-netflix-b2060295.html?r=36276

    It does somewhat back up what I have thought, that the breadth of material on Netflix makes it more of a mainstay for families.

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  • #90709

    I’m surprised Amazon Prime is relatively safe – it’s a pretty crap platform in terms of what you get for your subscriptions – though I suppose the other Amazon benefits beyond the streaming service might play into that.

  • #90710

    Yeah Amazon is a different thing really, to some extent it’s a shopping service that happens to have a streaming video component bolted on to it. If it was solely being judged on its streaming content then it wouldn’t hold up in the same way.

    I suspect that as Disney+ goes on it will be seen as ‘safer’. In terms of quality content it already rivals Netflix (in the UK anyway, with all the extra stuff that’s rolled into the service here) and there’s obviously a huge family component there too.

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  • #90714

    This[?] reddit site is good and bad.

    During covid I got into other sites and reddit is good for desktop wallpaper.

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    Amazon Prime has The Boys and Bezos bought up MGM which has James Bond even though it is a somewhat fading franchise. When GoT was riding high, Bezos wanted to get the next show that would have the GoT buzz about it. So they developed LoTR series which is slated to start 9/2/22

  • #90718

    I suppose the other Amazon benefits beyond the streaming service might play into that.

    Yeah quite a few, as well as the shipping stuff you get access to a lot of  books and music, you can read the first volume of pretty much ever trade series with Prime and all the Comixology originals. They also have live sport which none of the other streamers do.

    It’s all quite clever. I was reading about them buying the rights to rugby internationals that happen every November, even though the 6 Nations in spring gets much higher ratings they were aligning it with getting people to sign up just before Christmas and see the benefits of cheaper/faster shipping for Christmas gifts and stay with them.

  • #90728

    Prime Gaming seems quite decent too. Lots of free consumables and content for games like FIFA, League of Legends, Fall Guys and whatnot every month plus actual free games (some of which are actually pretty good – Control Ultimate Edition a few months back, Monkey Island 2 this month). Most of those require using Amazon’s proprietary Steam-a-like though.

  • #90753

    Which would be easier/more effective? Blowing up a vault or directing an EMP at a cryptoestablishment?

  • #90764

    Why choose between them?

  • #90856

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  • #90857

    Back in the 90s, Manga Mania did a little size comparison chart along the same lines, starting out with some small-ish mechs like the Ingram from Patlabor, then your normal 10-20 metre tall guys like the Gundam, and then Gunbuster and the Macross like here – but their bigger than the Galaxy entry was Dodekain, from a manga Antarctic Press were publishing at the time

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  • #90870

    It is May 1st and usually in the beginning of the month, there are online articles on what will be streaming on each major streaming link.

    You get the rundown of Netflix, HBOMax, Disney+, Paramount, Hulu and on and on.

    Sounds like a lot?

  • #90884

    This is the Batman we need:

    https://www.instagram.com/reel/CdCGxi9gdOH/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

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  • #90900

    Why choose between them?

    Well, I think Crypto is stupid and if it was much easier to make crypto currency to disappear and of course there is less collateral damage with an emp, then people would realize that is an unsafe form of currency. I believe I have read that we no longer have have enough gold reserves but at least it is something. What is the basis of cryptocurrency?

  • #90901

    Crypto looks to be entirely market driven, with no investment security at all.

    In terms of collateral damage, I don’t think EMPs are yet precision weapons in the way explosives can be.

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  • #90999

    The “value” of cryptocurrencies is basically anchored by the cost of the electricity used up in their minting, but the prices they claim to be selling for are entirely based on customer confidence, they’re very much an asset rather than a currency, it’s nigh-on impossible to actually buy stuff with them in a practical situation, like this example: https://web3isgoinggreat.com/?id=first-crypto-burger-purchase-at-bored-ape-restaurant-illustrates-why-people-dont-widely-do-this

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  • #91064

    Well it happened to Dave Chappelle

    https://amp.tmz.com/2022/05/04/dave-chappelle-tackled-slammed-ground-hollywood-bowl/

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  • #91071

    Stand-up comics are probably gonna have to start packing now.

  • #91077

    Wow, the security team really fucked that guy’s shit up.

  • #91084

    Wow, the security team really fucked that guy’s shit up.

    The problem is, they should have stopped him before he got to Chappelle.

    Whoever was working security should be fired.

  • #91092

    It is a bit worrying if this becomes a copycat thing, comedy gigs (or awards shows) don’t really have a pit fronted by security like music gigs do. If they don’t have that setup then I have to say I can’t blame security in the same way, they moved quick but unless you arrange them between crowd and artist then that’s as much as they can do.

    That guy’s arm was really fucked up in the photos, I have no sympathy for him as he jumped someone while carrying a fake gun, he could have been shot. However there may be legal accusation there of excess force.

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  • #91102

    Whoever was working security should be fired.

    The Hollywood Bowl is supposed to have security measures including metal detectors, so someone obviously wasn’t paying attention when this guy walked through.

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  • #91131

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  • #91152

    Headline’s already changed.

    Dave Chappelle Attack Suspect Charged With Four Misdemeanors
    “This alleged attack has got to have consequences,” City Attorney Mike Feuer said about the incident at the comedian’s Tuesday Hollywood Bowl set.

    Also, this:

    This run ties Chappelle with Monty Python for the most headlined shows by any comedian at the Hollywood Bowl

    I will now assume that the guy was a disgruntled Monty Python fan.

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  • #91507

    Christopher Guest, who played Nigel Tufnel in This is Spinal Tap, also played Count Rugen in The Princess Bride.

    If you add up all of his fingers, they go to 11.

     

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  • #91582

    I heard about this, and then I read about this domino affect of the Timberlake Janet Jackson thing:

    (Its been said that it was Timberlake’s attempt to one-up Britney kissing Madonna at the VMA’s a few months before).

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2015/02/01/how-janet-jacksons-super-bowl-wardrobe-malfunction-helped-start-youtube/?sh=1792ae0e19ca

    How Nipplegate Created YouTube

    Basically YouTube started on the idea of providing the footage some people missed and that spiraled into more videos. Then that idea of streaming video spread to Netflix who at the time were about DVD rentals and shipping. The rest is history, all from that incident. Go figure.

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  • #91590

    I heard about this, and then I read about this domino affect of the Timberlake Janet Jackson thing:

    (Its been said that it was Timberlake’s attempt to one-up Britney kissing Madonna at the VMA’s a few months before).

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2015/02/01/how-janet-jacksons-super-bowl-wardrobe-malfunction-helped-start-youtube/?sh=1792ae0e19ca

    How Nipplegate Created YouTube

    Basically YouTube started on the idea of providing the footage some people missed and that spiraled into more videos. Then that idea of streaming video spread to Netflix who at the time were about DVD rentals and shipping. The rest is history, all from that incident. Go figure.

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  • #91702

    One of my favorite memes was

    “I don’t like going bowling with people who are good at bowling. Like Relax bro!”

    I feel that way with bowling and playing pool.

    But chess… I played Arjan online years ago.(We split two games) and I get into it now and then for the problem solving and thinking ahead. As for memorizing the set sequences of openings like the Ruy Lopez, Sicilian Defense, Nimzo-Indian… that is a bit too much for me. To each their own.

  • #91777

    One of my favorite memes was

    “I don’t like going bowling with people who are good at bowling. Like Relax bro!”

    I feel that way with bowling and playing pool.

    But chess… I played Arjan online years ago.(We split two games) and I get into it now and then for the problem solving and thinking ahead. As for memorizing the set sequences of openings like the Ruy Lopez, Sicilian Defense, Nimzo-Indian… that is a bit too much for me. To each their own.

    If you go to this link, we can play a game Al, (if you’r eonline).

     

    https://lichess.org/Bu4ovZXw

  • #92420

    Ok Arjan. I will let you know

    Apparently the Savage Land has been discovered:

    https://www.businessinsider.in/thelife/news/chinese-cave-explorers-discovered-a-630-foot-deep-sinkhole-containing-a-massive-ancient-forest/amp_articleshow/91664036.cms

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  • #92451

    Apparently the Savage Land has been discovered:

    Did they spot any red-haired she-devils in bikinis? Asking for a friend…

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  • #92559

    There’s a bunch of ducks that hang out by the water in front of my house, but they’re all male ducks, they all have the green head. Haven’t seen any pair of ducks with ducklings there.

     

    Are they the ducks incel club?

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  • #92560

    4 Ways Disney Managed To Aggressively Raise A Generation Of Furries

    https://www.cracked.com/article_33996_4-ways-disney-managed-to-aggressively-raise-a-generation-of-furries.html

  • #92566

    I haven’t clicked the link, but I assume at least two reasons are just their animated version of Robin Hood.

  • #92594

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  • #92662

    Didn’t the Anno Dracula books already do “The Queen of England as a vampire” as a story?

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  • #92797

    I keep thinking of Patrick Bateman when I see David’s original post “discuss anything Huey Lewis and the News related” atop the news thread.

     

     

     

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  • #92895

    This Woman Made AI Portraits Of “Game Of Thrones” Characters The Way They’re Supposed To Look, And I’m Stunned

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/andyneuenschwander/ai-portraits-of-game-of-thrones-characters

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  • #92925

    15 Matt Berry Moments We Just Had To Share

  • #92929

    15 Matt Berry Moments We Just Had To Share

    Outraged that this isn’t among them.

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  • #93083

    Remember that story of that teen girl who wore that Asian dress (qipao) to her prom? Some Asian women objected to it on Twitter saying “My culture is not your prom dress.” They were trying to “gatekeep” its use to make sure that it wasn’t used as a gimmick. 

    I’ve taken this out of the music thread.

    Al – how can I forget? This item has appeared now maybe 15 times.

    That some Asian women objected may be inevitable, there are a lot of them, it is the most populous continent by some way. You will get every opinion available, especially on Twitter where arguing is an artform. One notable quote you gave us was an Asian American woman speaking with an American accent and wearing western clothing designs – cultural exchange I am very happy about.

    I also know, from living in east Asia for nearly 20 years most find wearing a cheongsam to be compliment to their culture. You may know this as this is a circular point you revive every few weeks. I also know that some have said afterwards the girl was actually racist, maybe so and she’s a piece of shit if she is, but you have to divorce the act of wearing the dress from her as a flawed individual because merely wearing the dress was the issue.

    It is not a sacred item of deep significance, it is a very flattering design for east Asian women because it shows a lot of leg as they generally have very little body hair (true for East Asian men too) and small breasts. It’s pretty clear she wore it because she looked very good in it. I don’t understand or like where this purity call ends. I don’t understand that anyone looking at a western woman in cheongsam could ever imagine a lack of acknowledgement of origin, we all know that’s a Chinese design. Did anyone in the world not living in a cave imagine she invented that on that day?

     

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  • #93086

    I came here for something else and then I see this part of that thread transferred here by @garjones

    It is really a situation with Americans (mostly white Americans) and their “borrowing” as it were. Others get very annoyed about it, like the Indian people about the henna. It lends to the general consensus that those Americans feel entitled to everything and can do whatever. It involves an imbalance of power.

    As for all the rest including gatekeeping… (Remember my “burka” moment?) I have to say that these videos say it much better than I can:

    With that dance thing, one of the “impostors” was at the NBA show, “teaching” the cheerleaders and acting as if she was the choreographer. The NBA was so embarrassed afterwards when the truth came out.

    I am not a keyboard sjw, and if you feel this is no big thing about these imposters… Did you feel that way about Milli Vanilli years ago when the truth came that they were impostors in that situation?

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  • #93102

    It is really a situation with Americans (mostly white Americans) and their “borrowing” as it were. Others get very annoyed about it, like the Indian people about the henna. It lends to the general consensus that those Americans feel entitled to everything and can do whatever. It involves an imbalance of power.

    It’s not just an American thing, it’s a western thing borne out of the luxury to waste time. Something can always be argued logically regardless of where it resides.

    Nobody in India cares if someone has a henna tattoo, in fact I know as I’ve lived there they will nag you to go and get one done and be proud of sharing part of their culture. Nobody is imagining a white girl on Instagram created the cheongsam or henna tattoos. It’s a stupid thing to get enraged about that has zero negative effects on anyone in the world.

    It’s also impossible in most cases to do anything useful about it and I think in your initial example there were claims that probably are guilty of the same offence. You claimed having a ‘dance beat’ behind songs was appropriation but the electronic dance beat being added to disco music (instead of until then strings and guitars) was done by this record:

     

    The instrumentation was done by Giorgio Moroeder, a white Italian man, in collaboration with Donna Summer because in real life segregation is not a good thing and would deny us the wonder of that record. If you gatekeep a dance beat then every band after him needs to hand their music back. While the power balance is 100% key to the argument it doesn’t morally justify a stance of being able to take everything you want from one culture and nothing else in return. The power balance is also negated by one of the video examples you give, if someone is from Pakistan they have no power imbalance, can they have dreadlocks? Can black people use chopsticks but not whites?

    Now that applies to these extremes of the ‘appropriation’ argument not a denial it happens and is something that should be fought for.

    My interest in Tik-Tok dances on a scale of 1-10 hovers below zero but I do agree they have a point, basically it is IP theft but something that has traditionally been very hard to enforce with dance and movement. We discussed that recently where the ‘moonwalk’ was used by several people before Michael Jackson (although to be fair to him he paid Jeffrey Daniel to show him how to do it). If someone wants to do it they should 100% reference the original video or are morally wrong.

    With the native American imagery I referred to with the rugby club they were using a cartoonish version of a culture which was insulting. The war bonnet headdress is a ‘sacred item’, it can only be worn by those that earn the right, like military medals. So some gammon running around wearing it is also morally wrong. So now they have been forced to change.

    I think it is best to analyse where the claims are logical than just accept they are because someone complained on Twitter, everyone complains on Twitter all day. Gatekeeping everything seems to me to be a cause in itself with no real purpose or end goal other than that.

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  • #93105

    Heh…I think there is something similar I noticed in Western Buddhist groups. Some people just like to play around with the trinkets, the Tibetan amulets etc while reciting mantras, just mixing things up out of context and keeping the actual Buddhism superficial. I don’t think it’s really offensive, they don’t try to mock it or anything…it is just a kind of “cultural escapism” I think. While others get more into the meaning and underlying thought of Buddhism.

     

    I think in general “cultural mixing” is a good thing, it makes everything richer. But don’t do it in a disrespectful way.

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  • #93116

    Heh…I think there is something similar I noticed in Western Buddhist groups. Some people just like to play around with the trinkets, the Tibetan amulets etc while reciting mantras, just mixing things up out of context and keeping the actual Buddhism superficial. I don’t think it’s really offensive, they don’t try to mock it or anything…it is just a kind of “cultural escapism” I think. While others get more into the meaning and underlying thought of Buddhism.

    I saw this in the 80s when it became a big thing for people to wear crosses when they were not practicing Christians.

     

  • #93121

    I saw this in the 80s when it became a big thing for people to wear crosses when they were not practicing Christians.

    Are you suggesting that Madonna was not a good Catholic girl?

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  • #93162

    @garjones

    At the very least, those online articles and videos are out there presenting the matter. And you understand from your own example citing the rugby team. You also mentioned what Led Zeppelin did before.

    I get the examples you mentioned about electronic dance beat which was a collaboration. But collaboration is one thing, the other thing has already been posted. And you are right about looking into a matter further than just what was complained on Twitter. That is critical thinking. When it comes to those complaints though, you can see a frustration and anger towards those who nonchalantly do things that border on a form of sacrilege. And that was the point.

    My example of adding more bass to songs in the past was from the days of Britney, Timberlake etc. Adding more bass in itself doesn’t really mean… you know, but going further and cosplaying like some in that YT video would be insulting. Miley, Mark Wahlberg, etc and the pictures are all online. It has been used to break into music, to jump start a career, to shed their previous image, and then quickly discarded once they get what they wanted from it. It’s not just in music that some use a cosplay act to make it big, like Awkwafina is a prime example.

    When that dance stuff came out, it changed TikTok and with the backlash came all this social commentary about US history,
    especially how rock and roll was “hijacked” and millions was taken. (Fwiw, both of those TikTok dance “imposters” got million dollar movie and streaming show deals, national TV appearances, endorsement deals, while the originals still live with their parents barely making 50K.)

    Anyway it is all out there online either through YouTube search, Google etc.

    I did my best to not mention CA, which I am sofa king tired of typing about right now. 😂

  • #93190

    Anyway it is all out there online either through YouTube search, Google etc.

    Sure but just because something is out there on the internet doesn’t make it incontrovertible fact, it’s still opinion.

    Saying that I think think there are good points in the second video and it explains the points with a lot more nuance than we’ve got so far. Really he makes the same delineation I have of cultural exchange versus exaggeration that crosses into mockery (‘why some white rappers are accepted’ as he says). It also has some muddled thinking though when he opens with a non-white person and then claims it’s an example of ‘white privilege’. That’s why I mentioned in the last post that if you are another minority then the power imbalance doesn’t apply so the debate changes.

    I’ve not been someone arguing the existence of CA but am more interested in the nuance of it because the flat out ‘you can’t ever do anything from this place of origin’ is not really realistic, sustainable or healthy. In some cases it isn’t even accurate as with the dance beats that originate in Germany and Italy.

    In truth a large part of his point, even if he doesn’t say it specifically, is actually authenticity. He says you can use/be inspired by African American culture if it doesn’t extend to caricature or also ‘ethnic tourism’ if someone like Miley embraces it for a purpose and then walks away.

    That was part of my discussion about Adele Jamaican flag thing, but better put when written by a black journalist:

    I remember at the time there were mixed feelings about her homage to Jamaica; some were offended by her wearing Bantu knots, a hairstyle traditionally worn by the African-Caribbean community, but others were indifferent, not seeing the issue in her celebrating the culture.
    Alexandra Burke and Popcaan, who are both Jamaican, actually supported and endorsed her outfit.
    For me personally, I fell somewhere in the middle of the two. It was frustrating to see a non-Black person so freely wear a traditional hairstyle for which many Black people have been prejudiced against. A hairstyle which, like braids or our natural Afro hair, would have us sent home from many a school or workplace for being ‘inappropriate’ for the environment. Sometimes when a non-Black person wears it, it can feel like our culture is reduced to fancy dress and only accepted when not worn seriously.
    However, it’s important to also recognise the intent behind it. Adele wanted to celebrate the culture which she had grown up surrounded by in London, whereas others have actively appropriated it as their everyday persona.

    Adele was raised in Lambeth where half her classmates and neighbours were from Afro-Caribbean background, so that’s why there’s some support for her as well as criticism because she grew up around West Indian culture, more so than some of her critics. Context can change whether something is, forgive the pun, just black and white.

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  • #93193

    I’m not sure why this discussion is still going on, as Al and Gar seem to be agreeing with each other :unsure:

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  • #93194

    I’m not sure why this discussion is still going on, as Al and Gar seem to be agreeing with each other :unsure:

    I’m outraged that they’re appropriating each other’s opinions.

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  • #93198

    I am finding it easier to understand Al’s points when he’s using someone else’s video to explain them.

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  • #93208

    I am finding it easier to understand Al’s points when he’s using someone else’s video to explain them.

    Well there you go… I had a feeling. Not that I was … you know… someone else’s videos.

    It did not escape my notice though, that you are against the formal definition of “gatekeeping” as mentioned in those videos, but you did a form of it when you told me about burqas in the Middle East, Indian people and henna, Hello magazine, and Adele’s background. That was telling me in a way to “stay in your lane”.😂

    There is so much more material online regarding all this, but I just picked what I felt were the short succinct ones. I could have posted more on pop culture, Billie Eillish, the Kardashians, social media influencers, the minstrel entertainment history, but…

    Fwiw: When the choreographers all decided to boycott and no longer post their new dances, the followers and then the endorsement revenue of the others went down because there was nothing to siphon from. Now, the original choreographers are into the laws of getting their creativity acknowledged with whatever royalties involved, so there is progress.

    I understand that some aren’t that much into pop culture in general as opposed to say, hard rock or classic rock. But these issues raised and implied that go beyond just the face value of the entertainment.

    Back in the MW days, I asked questions and started threads to in part offset so much talk on comics and vs. threads. Some members liked it and they got to be known as “Thought Provoking Threads”. I asked questions and everyone joked that I was a robot or something… It was all fun and some of those threads carried over to here.

  • #93215

    It did not escape my notice though, that you are against the formal definition of “gatekeeping” as mentioned in those videos, but you did a form of it when you told me about burqas in the Middle East, Indian people and henna, Hello magazine, and Adele’s background. That was telling me in a way to “stay in your lane”.

    I don’t think that’s quite fair. “Gatekeeping” in the sense that you mean it is about choosing who should and shouldn’t have certain rights to things. That’s different from someone with a more informed opinion sharing that information to help explain their point.

    We have to acknowledge in these debates that some people will sometimes have a more informed opinion than others. Otherwise how can we hope to learn anything new that might help shape our own opinions?

    (Lord knows we’ve heard enough times on this forum that people who aren’t from the US shouldn’t comment on US matters because they couldn’t possibly understand the situation.)

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  • #93217

    (Lord knows we’ve heard enough times on this forum that people who aren’t from the US shouldn’t comment on US matters because they couldn’t possibly understand the situation.)

    I don’t think I have ever done that and if i have I apologize. I personally think, as a country, we can be simultaneously arrogant and ignorant. Although I will mention that Trump is less of a problem than others may think outside the country. Candidates supported by him did not do well in the midterm primaries.

  • #93221

    (Lord knows we’ve heard enough times on this forum that people who aren’t from the US shouldn’t comment on US matters because they couldn’t possibly understand the situation.)

    Not that we ever accepted that premise.

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  • #93222

    It did not escape my notice though, that you are against the formal definition of “gatekeeping” as mentioned in those videos

    Where did I say that? I said ‘gatekeeping everything’ was an issue.

    After watching the second video it was quite clear he wasn’t in support of gatekeeping everything, just where it entered into a form of caricature. It’s not for me to decide where that line is, it is not my culture being caricatured, but it seems a lot more reasonable than any use at all.

    I’m also wary that the internet fosters a ‘gotcha’ culture and the lower the bar you set for ‘offence’, for example wearing a dress in a normal manner because it looks good, then the more people you can ‘get’.

    In that respect I have mentioned his book before but asking someone to read a while book is maybe a bit much so here’s a 15 minute video distillation of Jon Ronson explaining about ‘shaming’. Watch and see if you get the angle.

  • #93223

    It did not escape my notice though, that you are against the formal definition of “gatekeeping” as mentioned in those videos, but you did a form of it when you told me about burqas in the Middle East, Indian people and henna, Hello magazine, and Adele’s background. That was telling me in a way to “stay in your lane”.

    Well that’s just an open discussion…nobody should be saying you can’t have an opinion on something, but others can say you’re wrong and they may be more in a position to know the truth, because they studied it or they live in a certain country. That doesn’t mean you have to accept being corrected, you can just go:

     

     

    “Gatekeeping”is more like saying you are not allowed in a certain group or profession because of who you are.

     

     

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  • #93284

    The internet does foster a gotcha culture and along with it all this expose postings like the real truth behind whatever, its true origin, how something was originally started and was either hijacked/appropriated and rebranded to what is out there now.

    Some of it rings true and a lot of people get intrigued by “finding out” whatever

    It is a wide range of things like:

    Christmas and Easter
    The US police department
    Rock and Roll
    Welfare program
    Pilates
    New Age
    Various fashion and cultural trends

  • #93296

    Yeah and some of my concern is the ‘gotcha’ culture ends up creating its own circular chamber where everything becomes more and more trivial. Which with my conspiracy hat on could even be intended to distract from the real and most pressing inequalities. It is hard to argue in many ways that someone like Kim Kardashian is borrowing or emulating black styles and culture but you also have to keep in perspective what the end results of that are.

    I’ve mentioned in the past about Graham Linehan and JK Rowling getting obsessed and spending all their time on the risk of self identifying trans women using that to abuse women in safe spaces but it’s a risk that is either extremely rare or even so rare it is hypothetical.

    Meanwhile there are over 43,000 recorded sexual assaults by CIS men every year in the UK with a pathetic 1.3% conviction rate. It’s an overwhelming argument that if you want to protect women spending your time concerned about trans offenders is a clear waste of your efforts. I mean if you wanted to rape someone you could go through a convoluted process of claiming to be trans or not bother because none of these spaces are protected by security and your chances of being convicted are tiny. Anyone familiar with business improvement knows the 80/20 concept, that 80% of your problems are caused by 20% of your processes. Spending your focus on the low impact issues is a very bad use of your time.

    Similarly since Covid assaults and killings of East Asian people have increased massively, yet probably twice as many videos have gone up about someone wearing a dress a small minority didn’t like.

    My response to the henna tattoo is that the only named people in the Post Office scandal that were jailed were South Asian (i.e. Indian and Pakistani). There are probably zero videos on that but if I as an individual had a stake in that, and as many people in the UK and Malaysia do I have close friends from that background, I would give zero shits about someone embracing my culture clumsily compared to a higher risk of being sent to jail because of my skin colour or accent.

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  • #93300

    Thank you so much. I was trying to describe and put as plainly as I could the stealing and plagiarism. I know some
    aren’t that interested, but it is still good to get some knowledge of it.

    I blame you know who for getting me into all this. Maybe it was a reverse psychology…

    In comic books, there was an outrage over Greg Land and his “tracing” and that being “counted” as artwork. He was considered
    a fraud in many forums and on MW.



    @garjones
    , you might like the following videos as you said you understand my points better when I use them.

    The first one immediately talks about Adele in the Bantu knots.

    This one talks about Miley, with additional footage of Iggy, Katy, Stephani, Timberlake etc.

    Then this article on Mike Wahlberg’s past before he got into rap to get into entertainment.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/mark-wahlberg-racist-hate-crimes-wikipedia-george-floyd-protests-a9553911.html?amp

    It is a problem…

    PS: Oh… And I remember what I said about Quentin Tarantino and his borrowing elements from the 70s blacksploitation movies and using some of it in Pulp Fiction. I don’t consider that CA for the record 😂😂😂

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  • #93303

    The concept of “cultural appropriation” really upsets me. The people who are talking about it might try to reason and explain and motivate, but what they are saying is still this:

    People should or should not be allowed to do things based on the color of their skin!

    And I do not agree with that at all.

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  • #93305

    People should or should not be allowed to do things based on the color of their skin!

    And I do not agree with that at all.

    If that was taken to its extreme, that would mean for example that only Asians are to watch the martial arts action movies and that would throw out the Matrix, Cobra Kai, etc. Also, only black people can enjoy hip hop, r&b, rock, and only Hispanics can enjoy salsa, merengue.

    Same with going to restaurants if you apply that reasoning.

    That of course, is all nonsense.

    —————————–

    Who was it who said There is nothing new under the sun?

    Its been said that Generation Z is really just whitewashed black culture for the most part. I can see that point the more all this in unearthed.

    Billie Eillish wearing those baggy outfits with the acryllic nails are really from what she grew up with and seen like early Missy Elliot, The Brat and so on. Now there is a backlash from her own fans for showing more skin and swimsuit outfits. This all happened after she turned 18 for what it is worth…

    That video of Miley in her living room hanging out and twerking with her black girlfriends. Billie Eillish has a similar video, Taylor Swift, Christina Aguilera did it. etc. It is all from the same playbook/marketing strategy.

    Ariana Grande appearing pale on Vogue covers and then getting so tanned and practically darker than Nicki Minaj when she is on stage with her. What exactly is she getting at? Same for Iggy Azalea and many others.

    It appears that to get into music, you have to be “edgy” and have this “Urban” vibe. You don’t really see a Jennifer Lawrence or a Julia Roberts starting out wearing grills, Kangol hat, and hip hop gear because that is not what is needed to get into the movies. I mean Jennifer Lopez got into both, and look at what she did to get into music as compared to her approach to the movies. Also, do you even think she is the same way with Affleck as she was with P Diddy?

    I still get upset with Akwafina. She grew up in Forest Hills, Queens. I used to go to Forest Hills to see my pediatrician and I can tell you firsthand that it is not the Hood. Where did her accent come from? Now that accent is all gone once she got bigger roles like Shang Chi. Her hypocrisy is amazing!

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  • #93404

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/jun/04/mariah-carey-being-sued-over-all-i-want-for-christmas-is-you

    Mariah Carey is being sued for $20m (£16m) for alleged copyright infringement over her hit song All I Want for Christmas Is You.

    The singer and her co-writer Walter Afanasieff are both named in the lawsuit, which is being brought by the songwriter Andy Stone.

    Carey released the song in 1994 as part of her album Merry Christmas and it has gone on to be recognised as one of the most well-known festive hits.

    In legal documents filed at the US district court in the eastern district of Louisiana, Stone claims he co-wrote the song in 1989 and has never given permission for it to be used.

    The documents, obtained by PA Media, state that Carey and her collaborators “knowingly, wilfully, and intentionally engaged in a campaign” to infringe Stone’s copyright for the song.

    They allege the defendants also committed “acts of unjust enrichment by the unauthorised appropriation of plaintiff’s work and the goodwill associated therewith”.

    Merry Christmas was released by Columbia Records on 1 November 1994 and became the best-selling US Christmas album of all time, selling more than 15m copies worldwide.

    What took him 28 years to realise?

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  • #93405

    What took him 28 years to realise?

    Maybe he began reading David Foster Wallace’s Infinite Jest in 1996, and it took him this long to finish it, so…

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  • #93422

    Too much music talk

    Get more random people…

    With more feeling!🤣🤣🤣

  • #93423

    A fundamental rule of the random thread is nobody can go off topic.

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  • #93426

    A fundamental rule of the random thread is nobody can go off topic.



    @garjones

    Ok… but you must use the thread randomizer device in your utility belt more often!🤣🤣🤣

  • #93430

    Too much music talk

    Get more random people…

    With more feeling!🤣🤣🤣

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  • #93554

    https://twitter.com/AshcanPress/status/1532511438304051209/photo/1

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  • #94039

    I’ve just read the left-handed George McFly theory and my mind is blown.

  • #94056

    I’ve just read the left-handed George McFly theory and my mind is blown.

    What is that?

  • #94060

    McFly the Lefty – An Overlooked Change in Back to the Future? from FanTheories

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  • #94061

    If I remember right the idea of George being a repressed left-handed person is alluded to in the commentary on the DVD, so not so much a fan theory as a subtle detail.

  • #94072

    I’d never noticed that. From what people said about Crispin Glover it seems absolutely like the kind of small, intentional detail he’d put in.

  • #94097

    I also like it because I can relate more to George. The implication of this theory is that being forced to use his right hand by the school system was in some small part responsible for screwing up his life. I’ve read in the past that suppression of handedness contributes to emotional problems, though I’ve never been sure if there’s evidence for that or its just a crank theory.

    I was “trained” to use my right hand at school, even though I was naturally left handed. Thinking about parallels with George McFly, I wonder how much it affected me? For example, my handwriting would presumably have been slow and I know it was really messy — and in my early years, I wasn’t considered a bright kid (“no McFly ever amounted to anything in the history of this school”) even though later years proved I obviously was well above average. Was this just because I couldn’t write properly with my right hand? Obviously there’s no way I can know. But there’s more than that: I couldn’t (still can’t) throw or catch a ball with my right hand, and when you’re a little kid this makes you an object of ridicule, and you pretty quickly learn not to play any sports, and you become the non-sporty outsider that the others pick on.

    I’m now in a position that I explain as “ambidextrous” because I use different hands for different tasks, but the reality is that I’m really left handed, I was just trained to favour my right. And try as I might, I simply cannot write with my left now, even though (according to my parents) I wrote naturally with my left before I started school.

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  • #94114

    My right hand is my dominant hand for writing and other everyday actions like opening a door, using the remote, taking off my glasses, etc. But for sports and similar activities like throwing a ball, swinging a bat or a golf club, or even opening a jar, I’m left-handed. And as I’ve discovered through conversations with others, I’m not the only person with this “condition”.

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  • #94122

    My right hand is my dominant hand for writing and other everyday actions like opening a door, using the remote, taking off my glasses, etc. But for sports and similar activities like throwing a ball, swinging a bat or a golf club, or even opening a jar, I’m left-handed. And as I’ve discovered through conversations with others, I’m not the only person with this “condition”.

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  • #94146

    But Todd, I didn’t even mention what hand I masturbate with!!

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  • #94147

    But Todd, I didn’t even mention what hand I masturbate with!!

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  • #94215

    A kitten born with an extra pair of ears:

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  • #94219

    That I didn’t know this before tonight hurts me. I feel like a bad fan.

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  • #94367

    Getting back into chess (I haven’t forgotten about you @arjandirkse 🤣)

    So I found out from this nearby store that they charge $80/hr for a tutorial.
    So I will go downtown to the parks where the Chess hustlers play and some of the
    NYU students hang out. I can just kick a $20 to one of them and play for an
    hour or so.

    Once in a while, a tournament professional will sort of disguise themselves, play dumb
    and play a game. Something like this:

    One thing: When I was a kid, I used to set traps that were too obvious and my friend told me
    “I am not stupid to go for that!” Kind of like just walking into the Crane Kick in the Karate
    Kid movie.

  • #94430

    A kitten born with an extra pair of ears:

    cute my ass. this is what I see in that picture

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  • #94585

    Electricity payments in the UK are really weird.

    Here in my home in Malaysia it is all pretty simple, I use electricity (there is only one nationalised provider), at the end of the month they send a bill, I pay that amount and all is good.

    In my flat in the UK my electricity was provided by SWALEC, without me noticing it got reassigned to SSE. I pay by direct debit and it was for many years it was fine, went up occasionally as inflation decrees but reasonable. So suddenly last year SSE kept whacking up the direct debit, going from £50 to £70 then £120 and then asked me for a meter reading, which I assumed would adjust it back down as they do everything on predicted usage. Instead they sent a note saying it would go up to £170, which is massive for a single occupant flat. Making me wonder if my tenant was mining crypto. 😂

    I queried via email and they suggested a ‘smart meter’ so I arranged with my tenant to get that done. Email arrives after the installation with yet another Direct Debit increase to £190.

    Anyway as I was about to query all that I get my next notification from a new provider OVO. The direct debit would be £120 again. Then a mail came in today saying it was about to deduct £170 but OVO suggesting I check their direct debit calculator. Their website is a million times better than SSE and I can see full detailed usage and I find I am over £1000 in credit, the actual bills this year have varied between £40 in the summer and £100 in winter. My DD set at £170 when the predicted minimum payment needed to cover the year was £28. So I changed the setting for them to take less.

    What a farce, why not just measure the usage and charge the next month?

     

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  • #94840

    It’s 35 degrees in Northern Poland and 22 degrees in Southern Spain…wtf.

  • #94842

    About that YT video of the young girl chess expert playing in the park:
    In the past, like in that Netflix series “The Queen’s Gambit”, there were
    women players like the Polgar Sisters, even this young girl’s mother, and others
    who went through a LOT because of sexism and misogyny.

    It has gotten a little better. Yet there is this young woman, these two young
    sisters with the last name Botez, etc. who are taking advantage of social media
    and the following to make serious money branding themselves. Something like what
    Anna Kournikova did with her tennis presence.

    Hey whatever works. There are more opportunities to cash in on looks and personality
    than before thanks to social media. More than being a hostess or a waitress struggling on tips…

  • #94846

    Yeah I did see some of those, there is a subculture of pretty young women hustling people at chess on Youtube.

    I mean it is amusing, if you’ve seen it once though that’s enough for me.

    I did have a very amusing night in the pub once, a close friend of mine’s mother was manager of the Wales women’s pool team. We were having some drinks with her friend Angie, who was at that time European rank #1 in 8 ball pool. Some arsehole blokes in their early 20s barged in and said they wanted to play on the table. Angie said they could if they could beat her, she lost, asked them for a rematch for £10, lost again, asked for a rematch for £100. They accepted and she promptly potted all the balls and the black off the break, they never even got a turn.

    It was beautiful and we did very well to all keep our poker faces during the hustle as we all knew she could kick their arses in her sleep.

     

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  • #94847

    When I was a teenager, my mom was driving me and my friends somewhere. At a red light, some young guy in a red Porsche starting revving his engine as if to say, “wanna race?” My mom drove a a big old 1969 Buick Electra 225. That thing was like a cross between a tank and an aircraft carrier.

    Well, the light turns green and my mom floors it. We are a block down the road the Porsche guy was barely crossing the intersection. She smoked his ass. The jaws of my friends and I just dropped. My mom NEVER did things like that. It was unreal. My friends and I thought that was utterly cool.

    Never underestimate a mother of three behind the wheel of a car with a Big-Block V-8 430. 😜

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  • #94864

    I did have a very amusing night in the pub once, a close friend of mine’s mother was manager of the Wales women’s pool team. We were having some drinks with her friend Angie, who was at that time European rank #1 in 8 ball pool. Some arsehole blokes in their early 20s barged in and said they wanted to play on the table. Angie said they could if they could beat her, she lost, asked them for a rematch for £10, lost again, asked for a rematch for £100. They accepted and she promptly potted all the balls and the black off the break, they never even got a turn. It was beautiful and we did very well to all keep our poker faces during the hustle as we all knew she could kick their arses in her sleep.

    Are you absolutely, 100%, positively sure that you’re not confusing your real life with an episode of Fresh Prince Of Bel Air?

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