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A place to talk about anything to do with comics that doesn’t belong in the other threads.

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  • #90532

    I should say the actual channel is ‘Cartoonist Kayfabe’.

    https://www.youtube.com/c/CartoonistKayfabe

  • #90537

    Sounds like you got suckered by the YouTube algorithm Al.

    Maybe.. or Maybe not

    I don’t agree with everything he says, just a few things.

    He does get into what titles are selling well…

    I have seen the rehashing, repackaging. We all have.

    I know Alfred will come back. Some cosmic reset will come.

     

    Does bitterness start to grow on you as you get older? Makes me wonder.

    Quite honestly reading anything that you’re not enjoying out of some notion of loyalty to character or company will probably make anyone bitter.

    The only book I’ve followed from start to finish still going now is Astro City.  I still enjoy it immensely.  Others I bailed on because I wasn’t enjoying them.  The Great Fables Crossover managed to kill my interest in that stone dead.  Unwritten’s mid-series finale did similar.

    There’s entire strands of Star Wars, old and new, that I dislike.  So I don’t focus on those.  Ditto for the X-books which have had some terrible periods.  Some of those though I like quite a bit.

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  • #90612

    Aaron on Avengers gets a lot of flak but what I’ve read of it has been fun. Sure, it lacks a cohesive identity due to linking with numerous events, but the same was true of Bendis’ run.

    As for Jason Aaron, I remember mentioning the Heroes Reborn storyline with Mephisto using the SS etc… and no one here cared.

    Lately I have been watching on YT some John Byrne interviews from his home (his figurine/statue collection and all the trades in his den… Incredible).

    He talked about his time at Marvel, his collab and clashes with Claremont on Xmen, all the behind the scenes politics and editorial changes at Marvel, move to DC etc.

    Marvel wanted the original 5 so they wanted Jean back. That forced an awful retcon, Scott became a d*ck for leaving his wife and kid to go with Jean and so on…

    One interesting thing was Jean Grey paid for killing those asparagus people (D’Bari) in that Dark Phoenix storyline, yet Galactus was near death and revived by Reed Richards to later on eat the Skrull homeworld. Lilandra took Reed and then was that big trial… Galactus (for all the worlds he ate up and billions he thereby killed) has clout. 😂

    Older creators like him, Claremont, Frank, can go back to the 30s and 40s of their childhood in ways that the younger creators can’t readily refer to. Byrne’s take on Kal-El and the changes he made… How Clark shaves himself, a new take on Lex, Lois,
    Funny how as advanced as Krypton, they had to have been objective to have been that way, yet they were so stubborn to believe the planet would blow up. Byrne had a nice take on Krypton. Byrne came from England, Canada, and the US, and it changed him for the better than if he remained in one place. He put that in with Kal-el that being raised on Earth made him better than if he was on Krypton.

    Great videos…

    Reading some of those old runs during the Jim Shooter era …

    It is a little strained to read the dialogue where the character goes out of his/her way to either state vocally (or in a thought bubble) give their origin and powers.

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  • #90616

    Where Heroes Reborn 2021 is concerned I can’t say that I’m that hooked by it right now.  It’s a reality reweave story invoking an earlier that I had no interest in.

    It was the links to Aaron’s Thor run that saw me look at OHCs 1-2, how much further I’ll go with it I’m not sure.  The Blade arc was fun.

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  • #90662

    Heroes Reborn 2021 wasn’t a bad story. It was very self contained except for 2 items  Spoilers——–Nighthawk refused to go away with the rest and it was a Mephisto story in the end. Aaron’s Avengers currently is in a Multiversal phase. Especially Avengers Forever. I believe Aaron will bring Mephisto back in that storyline.

     

    p.s. it had NOTHING to do with the original Heroes Reborn. it was all Squadron Supreme.

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  • #90673

    Heroes Reborn 2021 wasn’t a bad story. It was very self contained except for 2 items  Spoilers——–Nighthawk refused to go away with the rest and it was a Mephisto story in the end. Aaron’s Avengers currently is in a Multiversal phase. Especially Avengers Forever. I believe Aaron will bring Mephisto back in that storyline.

     

    p.s. it had NOTHING to do with the original Heroes Reborn. it was all Squadron Supreme.

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    Yes….Aaron will bring back Mephisto(s)….

    The agent Coulson was twisted and made a deal with Mephisto to alter the timeline. The SS in the story were actually created by Mephisto.

    Now that the timeline is restored, that SS is scattered here and there. Some are depressed that they lost and their reality is all gone. etc. The Avengers #50 had a few pages on where a few of them are. They know now they are creations by Mephisto and that they were used. There are other appearances here and there… if you continue with the Avengers title.

    Basically, Aaron gave himself some things he can develop down the road if he or the editors want.

  • #90750

    I believe Aaron will bring Mephisto back in that storyline.

    good thing I am not a forecaster because i missed this. Mephisto returned in Avengers #55. Tony uses a variation on Chief Brody from Jaws famous quote after Mephisto appears.

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  • #90765

    good thing I am not a forecaster because i missed this. Mephisto returned in Avengers #55. Tony uses a variation on Chief Brody from Jaws famous quote after Mephisto appears.

    That was a fun line. And the view they saw of all the Mephistos from the Multiverse all planning together after they saw what could be done given Heroes Reborn… Are the Avengers scared much? 😂

  • #91125

    I’m watching an episode of Maverick at the moment, from 1958. Bart has been led into a forbidden, sacred Sioux burial ground area, from which there is no return for white men. It’s called the Wakanda.

    Anyone know if that’s a legit native American term? Or is it just a creative coincidence?

  • #91437

    This is an interesting one. As many know from about 1973 until 1995 Marvel UK operated, mostly reprinting US comics, usually on cheaper paper, often with no colour. As such these comics have never really kept any value outside of maybe keeping up with inflation (some with original material do but not the all-reprint ones).

    Suddenly this one has started booming in price:

    Yes it’s the reprint of the first Wolverine appearance in Hulk#181 but the oddity is it is the original cover artwork. The cover on the US edition was redrawn to alter the Hulk’s head for whatever reason.

    Compare here:

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  • #91451

    It’s an interesting little quirk, but I can’t quite see why it’s commanding triple digit prices.

  • #91474

    I’m watching an episode of Maverick at the moment, from 1958. Bart has been led into a forbidden, sacred Sioux burial ground area, from which there is no return for white men. It’s called the Wakanda.

    Anyone know if that’s a legit native American term? Or is it just a creative coincidence?

    There is a town in Kansas called Waconda Spring, translated from Native American as “Great Spirit” spring. The Native American concept of a universal “Great Spirit” has various names depending on the tribe: in Lakota tradition it is called “Wakan Tanka”.

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  • #91475

    there’s also some small info in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakanda#Name

  • #91484

    I’m watching an episode of Maverick at the moment, from 1958. Bart has been led into a forbidden, sacred Sioux burial ground area, from which there is no return for white men. It’s called the Wakanda.

    Anyone know if that’s a legit native American term? Or is it just a creative coincidence?

    There is a town in Kansas called Waconda Spring, translated from Native American as “Great Spirit” spring. The Native American concept of a universal “Great Spirit” has various names depending on the tribe: in Lakota tradition it is called “Wakan Tanka”.

    Years ago, I was watching a Charlie Chaplin marathon on Turner Classic Movies and one of the films was “A Dog’s Life” (1918). In the film, the name the dance hall where some of the story takes place is The Green Lantern! The name is clearly shown on the outside of the building a couple of times and even mentioned on an intertitle.

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  • #91491

    It’s an interesting little quirk, but I can’t quite see why it’s commanding triple digit prices.

    Me neither but the collector market seems to have boomed massively since 2020.

    It is funny how this used to happen, it must be related to how Marvel US transferred the material to the UK office. There’s also the Cody Sunn-Childe story in the Star Wars comic where they censored the ending of JM DeMatteis’s story and he only found out a couple of years back (nuch to his delight) that the UK Star Wars title printed it at the time with his original ending.

  • #91531

    the name the dance hall where some of the story takes place is The Green Lantern! The name is clearly shown on the outside of the building a couple of times and even mentioned on an intertitle.

    I grew up a mile or 2 outside of the village of Fairport, NY. On Main street in Fairport was this house.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_DeLand_House Henry DeLand House also known as the Green Lantern Inn

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  • #91568

    This is a nice interview with Glyn Dillon, brother of the late Steve Dillon, that touches on Steve’s death and how it has informed his subsequent work.

    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2022/may/12/steve-dillon-death-comic-book-preacher

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  • #92390

    Eisner nominations are out.

    2022 Eisner Awards Nominations Announced, led by DC and Image

    Some decent books and creators in there, as well as some slightly more questionable nominations.

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  • #92473

    I follow a Twitter account called ‘The Claremont Run’ which goes into huge detail on his initial 16 year X-Men stint I have made no secret is one I love in comics.

    Anyway they posted something about Jim Shooter commenting that he tried to broker a deal for a small royalty for letterers and colourists, who I believe still get no royalties, just page rates. He asked writers and artists at Marvel if they were willing to hand a very small percentage over and they said no. However Chris Claremont was very precious with his work, when Shooter was second in command he re-wrote a lot of stuff but he said Claremont never accepted that, he’d rather Shooter send him what he wanted him to change and he’d do it but he wanted his words on the page. In addition to that even though the group decided not to go the royalty route he valued Orzechowski and Oliver/Wein doing his lettering and colour so much he paid them out of his own royalties.

    That’s interesting but it took me to the source of the quote and it’s a nearly 8 HOUR! interview with Shooter covering his entire career. He’s old now, a lot of the people he’s talking about are dead so a lot of it looks very candid and honest.  I’ll look forward to ploughing through it over a few days.

    Even the small bits I looked at gave a new perspective on things, like he is effectively the first proper EIC of Marvel really. Stan wrote almost everything when he was there in the 60s but they were limited to 8 titles. He moved on as that limitation lifted by moving distributors and it seems pretty chaotic.

    https://comicbookhistorians.com/jim-shooter-biographical-interview-by-alex-grand-jim-thompson/

    https://comicbookhistorians.com/jim-shooter-biographical-interview-by-alex-grand-jim-thompson/

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  • #92654

    21562E65-6F00-43CC-977B-081F4C5794F3

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    We’re moving house at the moment, and I finally get my own ”purpose built” home office/ library. First thing I did was head to IKEA and pick up a bunch of new Billy bookcases. This is about 90% of my collection, excluding 20+ long boxes in the garage. Took a whole weekend to just move these! I may have a problem.

    #ShelfPorn

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  • #92660

    Nice job, Vikram!

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  • #92883

    On TV the weather forecaster says “It’s foggy and misty outside”. I respond “Foggy Nelson and Misty Knight”.

    Across the room my wife stares at me like I have dementia.

    Only comics fans understand.

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  • #92926

    On TV the weather forecaster says “It’s foggy and misty outside”. I respond “Foggy Nelson and Misty Knight”.

    Across the room my wife stares at me like I have dementia.

    Only comics fans understand.

    Well, to be fair, you do have dementia.

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  • #93009

    New Punisher Comic Features Him Standing Around Outside of Shooting for 40 Minutes Before Acting

    Disclaimer: Slight chance that the article linked above may possibly perhaps be entirely satirical. Mayyyyybe.

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  • #93177

    Just had an email from Amazon telling me that they’re now removing the option for Comixology users to make in-app purchases on Android (I know it’s been gone on Apple devices for some time now).

    Great to see the “improvements” continuing!

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  • #93233

    I just tried to buy a comic on the Amazon Shopping app and it did not let me. :negative:

  • #93234

    I honestly haven’t logged on since the changes. I have thousands of comics on there so will eventually but I’ve moved now pretty much to all subscription model. I have Marvel, DC, 2000ad and Scribd which does all Image trades and Boom! day and date.

    It is significantly cheaper, even considering I only bought on Comixology after price drops.

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  • #93236

    I honestly haven’t logged on since the changes.

    Same. It didn’t help that the new version of the app no longer works on my tablet (which is old, but not that old).

    My initial instinct would be to say “fuck em”, but that sentiment is mixed with a sadness that Amazon have essentially done what a lot of people predicted would happen back when they first bought Comixology: they’ve taken a popular, well-functioning and cheap way of accessing digital comics and they’ve run it into the ground.

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  • #93242

    That is what they do.

    The amount of bureaucratic crap Amazon creates for itself is amazing.

    I stopped selling via them because they brought in a requirement for all post to be sent signed for.  Problem there is most of my buyers were fine with first class post.

    Recently they emailed me saying there were now special permissions needed to sell DC Comics items.  Obviously, I’m not tempted to resume.

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  • #93246

    It is an inherent problem with technology, it naturally builds monopolies. A usurper takes some of Facebook’s market share, they just buy it.

    A very good comics platform was created. It doubled up a lot of functions Amazon already had so they will eventually absorb it with none of the care the originators actually had for comics themselves.

    Technically the market is open, I could open a replacement to Comixology but the odds are stacked so far against you. Even if ‘GarSoft’ offered everything Comixology used to I have over a thousand comics purchased via Comixology I can’t port over. So you’ll just put up with what they have.

    It’s ironic the original worry was  all about the ability to download but most I bought was from Image who had no DLC. I could go in and spend hours saving them all to a device or just spend 8 quid a month and read them all, and new stuff, off Scribd.

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  • #93247

    GarSoft

    Does this have something to do with erectile dysfunction?

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  • #93254

    That is what they do.

    The amount of bureaucratic crap Amazon creates for itself is amazing.

    I stopped selling via them because they brought in a requirement for all post to be sent signed for.  Problem there is most of my buyers were fine with first class post.

    Recently they emailed me saying there were now special permissions needed to sell DC Comics items.  Obviously, I’m not tempted to resume.

    Yes, I got that email about needing special permission to sell DC trades too. Absolute madness. Just don’t understand the need for it. I didn’t know about the signed delivery requirement. Can’t say I’ve noticed it on the buying end. I only ever sent things second class because it was the only way to not make a loss on postage.

    Fortunately, I’d already thrown in the towel with Amazon Marketplace after they threatened to close my account and accused me of selling bootleg products – they decided the *Amazon exclusive* version of Doctor Who s3 DVD I had a second hand copy of listed was something I’d made up and added to the site myself and wasn’t legit (they put it back up with the name “Doctor Who” removed from all product info). Talking to their seller support was like headbutting a brick wall. That and they were taking the piss with the ever creeping fees. I took everything off and moved it to eBay. Not perfect, but easier and more transparent.

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  • #93256

    I probably ought to try Ebay, sounds more straight forward – do have the trades to sell.

  • #93257

    I probably ought to try Ebay, sounds more straight forward – do have the trades to sell.

    Ebay take a fair chunk of cash for the privilege but it’s all fairly straightforward. I shift a lot of stuff that way.

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  • #93260

    Yeah, it’s 10.66% plus VAT and a small flat transaction fee, which is at least easy enough to work out compared to the myriad fees on AMP. Plus you can (mostly) set postage charges that reflect what it’s actually going to cost.

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  • #93271

    As I was going through the May and June Previews catalogs, I noticed that IDW was no longer in the Premier section (front of the book) with Image, Boom! Studios, Dark Horse, and Dynamite. They are with the rest of the comics publishers. Did something change at the company? Are they experiencing problems, or is this simply a cost saving measure? It surprised me as that it’s rare for a Premier publisher to go through “demotion”.

  • #93913

    Tim Sale admitted to Hospital

    “Severe Health Issues”

    https://comicbook.com/comics/news/batman-the-long-halloween-artist-tim-sale-admitted-to-hospital/

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  • #93915

    Sad news. Let’s hope he recovers.

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  • #93950

    Yeah it’s worrying, the way Jim Lee posted that did not sound positive at all but medical science can beat the odds so finger crossed for Tim Sale.

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  • #94164

    So I’m playing the Guardians of the Galaxy game and – spoilers here I guess, but I’m not going to tag it – Magus shows up. Cool cool. But I was a bit perplexed by how it’s pronounced by everyone. “Mag-us” with a hard g. That can’t be right? Surely it’s “mage-us” given the whole “Warlock” connection?

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  • #94190

    I always read it as Mag-us to be honest.

    There’s only one definitive answer, go searching for how Chris Claremont says it.

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  • #94211

    Oh, it’s the *other* Magus (and Warlock – Adam, I mean), so presumably down to how… Roy Thomas? Jim Starlin? says it.

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  • #94216

    But I was a bit perplexed by how it’s pronounced by everyone. “Mag-us” with a hard g. That can’t be right? Surely it’s “mage-us” given the whole “Warlock” connection?

    I always read it as “may-gus.”

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  • #94217

    From dictionary.com: Magus

    mey-guhs

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  • #94234

    From dictionary.com: Magus

    mey-guhs

    From dictionary.com: Magus mey-guhs

    Still, the question is whether the “g” is a guh with a hard emphasis and the back of the throat or a “juh” with the emphasis on the tongue.

    I personally prefer “My Juice” as the pronunciation. :bye:

  • #94254

    From dictionary.com: Magus

    mey-guhs

    From dictionary.com: Magus mey-guhs

    Still, the question is whether the “g” is a guh with a hard emphasis and the back of the throat or a “juh” with the emphasis on the tongue.

    I personally prefer “My Juice” as the pronunciation. :bye:

    If you click on the hyperlink, you can click on an icon to hear the pronunciation.

  • #94297

    Oh, it’s the *other* Magus (and Warlock – Adam, I mean), so presumably down to how… Roy Thomas? Jim Starlin? says it.

    I’ve always assumed it’s pronounced like the Latin, hard G, because when he’s introduced the dialog makes it pretty explicit that Starlin was thinking of the meaning of the Latin word. (That’s assuming Starlin knew how to pronounce classical Latin of course, there’s no guarantee of that :-) .)

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  • #94301

    Oh, it’s the *other* Magus (and Warlock – Adam, I mean), so presumably down to how… Roy Thomas? Jim Starlin? says it.

    I’ve always assumed it’s pronounced like the Latin, hard G, because when he’s introduced the dialog makes it pretty explicit that Starlin was thinking of the meaning of the Latin word. (That’s assuming Starlin knew how to pronounce classical Latin of course, there’s no guarantee of that :-) .)

    Ah, interesting! I’ve not actually read Starlin’s Warlock.

  • #94313

    I suspect may-gus and mah-gus too is somewhat dependent on accent. Americans use the ‘ah’ sound a lot less than Brits, the merry/marry/Mary scenario – where in standard American all 3 sound the same, in British they all sound different.

    I pronounced Thah-nos when reading the comics as a kid buy was actually surprised the movies didn’t use Thay-nos because that would be the US default. However that would also depend on where Starlin got his inspiration – if he was dipping into the classics as suggested – then he may follow that tradition rather than his own.

  • #94314

    the merry/marry/Mary scenario

    We had a parish priest years ago from Haiti, who pronounced Jesus’ mother as “Murray”.

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  • #94317

    I had a chuckle at the iFanboy podcast because they included an ad for a shaving products company every week. I assumed for months they were promoting hairies.com as that fits with shaving but all along it was Harry’s.

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  • #94370

    Titan Comics Takes Over Conan The Barbarian Publishing Rights from Marvel

    Titan Comics has taken over the publishing rights for Conan the Barbarian.

    According to The Hollywood Reporter, Titan Comics has nabbed the publishing rights to Conan the Barbarian. The rights previously belonged to Marvel Comics, who acquired the rights in 2018 and then started a new Conan the Barbarian run in 2019. In May, Marvel decided not to renew the rights to the property with Conan Properties International, which is owned by Heroic Signatures.

    Titan Comics’ deal with Heroic Signatures covers graphic novels and re-mastered archives. The publisher will begin putting out a new Conan the Barbarian ongoing series in May 2023, followed by a handful of miniseries starring other recognizable characters, including Solomon Kane and Dark Agnes.

    “We have been working with Titan for a year on the prose side and established a good foundation for expanding our business together,” Heroic Signatures President Fredrik Malmberg said. “When it became clear that Heroic Signatures would publish our own comics, it was natural to partner with a team that we have known for decades. Their expertise in publishing is stellar, and we couldn’t be more excited to launch a barbarian horde of titles like Conan, Solomon Kane, Dark Agnes, and many more together.”

    Initially created by Robert E. Howard, Conan the Barbarian has starred in comics since the 1970s. The earliest licensed comics were published by Marvel up until 2003, which included runs such as a 275-issue run of Conan the Barbarian, 1974’s Savage Sword of Conan and more. The initial run also introduced the popular character of Red Sonja, created by Roy Thomas and Barry Windsor-Smith, in 1973’s Conan the Barbarian #23.

    Dark Horse Comics acquired the rights to Conan in 2003 and launched a new Conan series by Kurt Busiek and Cary Nor. Several other Conan-related series followed from Dark Horse in the coming years before the rights when back to Marvel in 2018. Along with new solo comics, Conan also stars in Marvel’s Savage Avengers series that launched in 2019. The series is currently releasing its second volume, with Savage Avengers #3 scheduled to release July 13.

    Jason Aaron and Mahmud Asrar’s King Conan #6, which releases July 6, marks Marvel’s final entry in the Hyborian Age. “We enjoy a great relationship with Marvel and hope to do crossovers and that Conan will appear now and then in Savage Avengers but nothing is planned as of this moment,” Malmberg previously said.

    Interesting that Marvel chose not to renew the rights. I guess he wasn’t moving the needle enough for them.

  • #94374

    I’m sure they’ll have more success with their new dated license, Planet of the Apes!

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  • #94375

    I’m sure they’ll have more success with their new dated license, Planet of the Apes!

    You may have been joking, but I really enjoyed the original POTA magazine-sized comic from Marvel in the 1970s, particularly the stuff from Doug Moench and Mike Ploog.

  • #94377

    I’m sure they’ll have more success with their new dated license, Planet of the Apes!

  • #94381

    Titan Comics Takes Over Conan The Barbarian Publishing Rights from Marvel

    Titan Comics has taken over the publishing rights for Conan the Barbarian.

    According to The Hollywood Reporter, Titan Comics has nabbed the publishing rights to Conan the Barbarian. The rights previously belonged to Marvel Comics, who acquired the rights in 2018 and then started a new Conan the Barbarian run in 2019. In May, Marvel decided not to renew the rights to the property with Conan Properties International, which is owned by Heroic Signatures.

    Titan Comics’ deal with Heroic Signatures covers graphic novels and re-mastered archives. The publisher will begin putting out a new Conan the Barbarian ongoing series in May 2023, followed by a handful of miniseries starring other recognizable characters, including Solomon Kane and Dark Agnes.

    “We have been working with Titan for a year on the prose side and established a good foundation for expanding our business together,” Heroic Signatures President Fredrik Malmberg said. “When it became clear that Heroic Signatures would publish our own comics, it was natural to partner with a team that we have known for decades. Their expertise in publishing is stellar, and we couldn’t be more excited to launch a barbarian horde of titles like Conan, Solomon Kane, Dark Agnes, and many more together.”

    Initially created by Robert E. Howard, Conan the Barbarian has starred in comics since the 1970s. The earliest licensed comics were published by Marvel up until 2003, which included runs such as a 275-issue run of Conan the Barbarian, 1974’s Savage Sword of Conan and more. The initial run also introduced the popular character of Red Sonja, created by Roy Thomas and Barry Windsor-Smith, in 1973’s Conan the Barbarian #23.

    Dark Horse Comics acquired the rights to Conan in 2003 and launched a new Conan series by Kurt Busiek and Cary Nor. Several other Conan-related series followed from Dark Horse in the coming years before the rights when back to Marvel in 2018. Along with new solo comics, Conan also stars in Marvel’s Savage Avengers series that launched in 2019. The series is currently releasing its second volume, with Savage Avengers #3 scheduled to release July 13.

    Jason Aaron and Mahmud Asrar’s King Conan #6, which releases July 6, marks Marvel’s final entry in the Hyborian Age. “We enjoy a great relationship with Marvel and hope to do crossovers and that Conan will appear now and then in Savage Avengers but nothing is planned as of this moment,” Malmberg previously said.

    Interesting that Marvel chose not to renew the rights. I guess he wasn’t moving the needle enough for them.

    Given the amount of Conan omnibuses Marvel has put out in the last few years, Conan made bank for Marvel.

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  • #94442

    Primarily for @jrcarter who I see also visits Byrne’s site.

    But the rest can look on as well. 🤣

    Byrne-Comments

    I get it that when you see someone do something so well, you really don’t want the person to leave it.

    Like an actor to move on to another role,  a singer to move on to other songs…

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  • #94445

    I’m not quite clear how on one hand he can say that the relationship with readers isn’t a dialog for the artist but a monolog, and then on the other hand complain about the shitty reactions he got from his audience.

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  • #94483

    I read it as he thinks it *should be* a monologue. The creator should be free to create what he feels is right. If he starts creating solely to please a vocal audience, he’s compromising his vision. But the audience thinks it should be a dialogue, and that they should have a say in what he creates.

    In reality, the only say they have is to buy or not to buy. Anything else they say is pure entitlement.

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  • #94485

    He says that readers feel like it’s a conversational dialogue (ie. that there is some kind of back and forth between creators and audience) but that in reality for the creators it is a monologue (ie. they are broadcasting and the audience is receiving, with no travel in the opposite direction).

    For him to be aware of (and griping about) the fans’ reaction to his work suggests that isn’t the case.

    Which is fine, of course. Interactions between fans and creators have long been a part of comics, even going back to the letters pages of old. It’s part of what makes the creator/audience relationship come to life and most creators seem to enjoy that interaction.

    It’s also somewhat ironic that he’s moaning about the idea that he should have pleased his fans by staying on X-Men, when I gather that he now spends most of his time courting his remaining fans by writing knock-off unofficial X-Men comics.

    Don’t get me wrong, I like Byrne’s work quite a bit, but there’s a constant air of arrogant superiority and dismissiveness about him (that I think you can get away with when you’re at the top of your game, but which feels a bit sad when the industry and readers have moved on).

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  • #94495

    I genuinely love some of Byrne’s work at his prime and have even enjoyed his X-Men fanfic project albeit I think mainly powered by nostalgia.

    He is just a moaning old bloke nowadays though.

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  • #94497

    He is just a moaning old bloke nowadays though.

    Aren’t we all? :-)

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  • #94516

    Well, you lot maybe…..

  • #94542

    I was into Byrne in the 80s and all that. Byrne is talented, but he is arrogant and said some controversial things regarding
    Kirby’s axe to grind, and Byrne’s back and forth with Marvel editorial and with DC during his Superman and Wonder Woman runs.

    I have to say that the following a creator/entertainer/etc. gathers is invested in the product or work as the consumer.
    Some of the following can be demanding in their wishes ie. wanting him to stick to the X-title, an actor to stay in a role,
    or in music wanting an entertainer to stick with a sound.

    To @davidm point… Does the creator owe it to the following to do what the audience wishes or just move on in their artistic pursuits? It goes a little beyond comics in that sense.

    Some can see Byrne’s contradictions, but overall it is a fair question about it being either a dialogue or monologue.

  • #94552

    To @davidm point… Does the creator owe it to the following to do what the audience wishes or just move on in their artistic pursuits? It goes a little beyond comics in that sense.

    In general, I would say a creator owes nothing to the audience. This is true in all fields of art. A creator should create what he wants to, and the public can choose to buy it or not buy it. Of course, if the public chooses not to buy it and the creator wants to eat, he may have to compromise his art.

    This gets a bit more complicated with a long-running serial like a comic. The audience has already bought the start of the serial, so you could say that the creator owes it to the audience to continue, and to make the end the same quality as the start. Imagine — well, you don’t have to imagine, we’ve all done it — spending $100s on a long-running story, waiting for the next issue, and finding it’s been cancelled. I think you can justifiably complain that the $100s you’ve spend so far give you a right to demand a satisfactory end.

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  • #94553

    Byrne as an artist was perhaps the best comic book artist of the late 70s and early 80s. And as a writer, he was the best comic book artist of the late 70s and early 80s.

    If it wasn’t for Frank Miller coming up around the same time, I think Byrne would have given all artists-turned-writers a bad name considering the massive chip he had on his shoulder that progressed from “I can write better than these fools I’m paired with” to “I can fix all these bad stories people made before me”. Some Byrne comics (I’m thinking of his WCA run in particular here) are more like tracts on why previous stories were bad and you were stupid for liking them than actual stories in their own right. He’s like the anti-Kurt Busiek.

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  • #94554

    Yeah. I like a lot of Byrne’s work, but his continuity meddling and “fixing” on Wonder Woman was a real chore.

  • #94558

    On a completely different note, I just saw this EV do the Goodwood hill climb and it’s like a classic Batmobile turned into a modern hypercar. It’s got fans at the back to aid in creating downforce, giving it tremendous speed. If it was a bit more elegant to get into, it would make a brilliant Batmobile in something or other.

  • #94559

    I think that WCA stuff is really the start of his ‘grumpy old man phase’ (and the simplification and deterioration in his artwork). His Star Brand when he came back to Marvel was basically a handful of issues shitting on what Jim Shooter set up in the book because he didn’t like Shooter.

    His FF and Alpha Flight though I think were well written and innovative (albeit the FF starts a bit clunky as his first proper writing work). After his first stint at DC ended Byrne’s days at the top had passed for me.

  • #94562

    I think I like Byrne’s FF the most out of all his work that I’ve read. It has a classic feel to it without feeling purely like a Lee/Kirby retread.

  • #94610

    give you a right to demand a satisfactory end.

    An investment spanning years where the audience demands a good ending.

    Like Game of Thrones? Star Wars (when the prequels were made)? and so on…

    To your point, George Lucas owed nothing to the audience in making the prequels his way.

    Neither did those two showrunners in the last few seasons of the show, and for that matter the author GRRM to even finish the book.

     

    But who is really missing the point? The invested consumers and their demands or the creator?

  • #94814

    Death of the author Al, death of the author.

    A certain level of mass, mass success does tend to tip that a certain way too.

    Which is why directors doing a Lucas and insisting on one version is rare, see Ridley Scott and Blade Runner for the polar opposite approach.

  • #95055


    Pandemics aren’t bad for comics sales

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  • #95056

    The full report makes for interesting reading:

    https://www.comichron.com/yearlycomicssales/industrywide/2021-industrywide.html

    Looks like print/collected editions were way up, with digital stagnating. Interesting.

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  • #95058

    Pandemics aren’t bad for comics sales

    “Daaaaaaad! All the movie theatres are closed but I wanna see some Marvel heroes!”

    “Well, son…”

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  • #95059

    We should probably be wary about assuming that it’s US superhero comics driving the increase.

    Anecdotally I’m seeing a lot more Dog-man style comics for the book market, and it seems to be that channel that most of the growth is coming from.

    Manga is also huge in bookstores and is very popular among younger readers so could be driving some of that growth.

  • #95061

    What’s Dogman style?

  • #95062

    What’s Dogman style?

    This series, which has been massive.

    A comic series aimed at the under-10s, by the guy who did Captain Underpants books, and on the shelves in pretty much every bookstore.

    They’re fun, silly kids comics.

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  • #95063

    He means bookstore marketed comics to kids, like the popular Dogman series. My son loves those books.

    Actually on reading the full report it does seem the increases were generally in all areas, albeit some more than others, direct market sales increased over the previous year. Manga sales had a huge boost. John Hendrick recently did a podcast where he said he has never done better business as an LCS than 2021, they had to recruit more staff. The Diamond charts are now next to useless since Marvel and DC largely stopped using them but there are oddities like Spawn (and spinoffs) now sells loads of comics.

    The only area they report a dip is newsstand sales in the ‘other’ category, which is hardly surprising as they’ve been in terminal decline for decades, but that was offset by bigger revenue in crowdfunded works.

    The grey area in digital comics may be how many people like me have moved to the subscription model. I don’t know how you can ever record that as ‘sales’ but I read all my Marvel and DC now by renting it essentially.

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  • #95590

    MAD Magazine turns 70 today, according to reddit. I tried verifying the publication date, but couldn’t find much.

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  • #95638

    MAD was an early fave for me – I did occasionally buy CRACKED too, but always felt it was the inferior publication. I think I learned so much about world politics, and culture, and humour from MAD – iconic.

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  • #95645

    Two things I loved about MAD: Sergio Aragones’s little doodles in the margins throughout each issue, and the inside back cover that you had to fold in thirds to find the secret image and answer to the question. If LIFE magazine had those things they’d still be publishing today. :-)

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  • #95646

    Two things I loved about MAD: Sergio Aragones’s little doodles in the margins throughout each issue, and the inside back cover that you had to fold in thirds to find the secret image and answer to the question. If LIFE magazine had those things they’d still be publishing today. :-)

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  • #95659

    MAD always made it into UK newsagents in the 80s, which was unusual for a US title but I guess the magazine format made it easier. US comics distribution was massively random and sketchy in comparison.

    I have to admit while I liked the art, the caricatures were spot on,  I never found the movie parodies very funny and they took up a big chunk of the magazine. I did love anything Aragones though and Spy V Spy (and the foldable covers Jerry mentions).

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  • #95673

    Another high point of those old MAD magazines were the musical parodies, where they would change the lyrics of a popular song to fit the theme of the story. My brother and I used to memorize them, and to this day I can still (more or less) remember the words of one of them:

    (Sung to the tune of “Battle Hymn of the Republic”)
    Off we go into the lunchroom yonder,
    Pushing girls out of the way.
    Forward, boys! Start moving down the counter.
    Grab your grub! Fill up your tray!
    Taste the beans (they were prepared last Friday)
    And the meat (tough as a mule)!
    The soup is cold
    The bread’s got mold
    YUCK!
    Anything beats the lunchroom at school!!

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  • #95679

    Another high point of those old MAD magazines were the musical parodies, where they would change the lyrics of a popular song to fit the theme of the story. My brother and I used to memorize them, and to this day I can still (more or less) remember the words of one of them:

    (Sung to the tune of “Battle Hymn of the Republic”)
    Off we go into the lunchroom yonder,
    Pushing girls out of the way.
    Forward, boys! Start moving down the counter.
    Grab your grub! Fill up your tray!
    Taste the beans (they were prepared last Friday)
    And the meat (tough as a mule)!
    The soup is cold
    The bread’s got mold
    YUCK!
    Anything beats the lunchroom at school!!

    I remember when Mad would include floppy vinyl records. There was one (IIRC “Makin’ Out”) that had lyrics that have stuck with me since childhood:

    I don’t mind, I don’t care.
    My mind’s blown and so’s my hair.

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  • #95682

    Mad would include floppy vinyl records

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  • #95691

    Mark Waid teases Irredeemable returning?

    Might be a movie/tv-series type thing. Seeing as how it ended ([insert: puke emoji]) that seems to me the most likely way to return to the character of Plutonian. But who knows, it might just be a continuation in that universe but not focused on Plutes.

  • #95692

    Probably a Homelander style audience for Plutonian but that’s not what Waid would be after.

  • #95693

    what Waid would be after

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  • #95720

    Mark Waid teases Irredeemable returning?

    Might be a movie/tv-series type thing. Seeing as how it ended ([insert: puke emoji]) that seems to me the most likely way to return to the character of Plutonian. But who knows, it might just be a continuation in that universe but not focused on Plutes.

    It’s a Kickstarter for a deluxe reprint. Not live yet, but I got a Facebook ad for it.

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/boom-studios/irredeemable

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  • #95723

    I sincerely hope it fails. I really hate that ending, and I think a lot less of Waid for it.

  • #95725

    I never read these books, but they did come out during that phase in his career when he seemed to lean into the “grumpy old man” persona. I’m tempted to back the physical editions but $160 + shipping is quite the ask. $250 for signed editions even more so. Would make a lot of sense, I feel, to offer them separately rather than as a set.

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  • #95800

    Actually, Irredeemable is returning in 2023

    Mark Waid and Peter Krause Tease Their Irredeemable Reunion in New BOOM! Series (Exclusive) – ComicBook.com

    A new installment of Irredeemable is in the works from creators Mark Waid and Peter Krause. 24 hours after BOOM! Studios teased something “Evil” for Mark Waid and announced a Kickstarter campaign to celebrate the 10-year anniversary of the Eisner Award-winning Irredeemable, the publisher revealed plans to launch a new series in 2023 after the Kickstarter surpassed $100,000. The Complete Irredeemable Delux Edition Library is now live on Kickstarter for pre-orders, and spans Irredeemable, Incorruptible, and Insufferable. The new Irredeemable series set for 2023 will be Waid and Krause’s return to BOOM! for the first time in a decade, and we’ve got all the details on the reunion.

    ComicBook.com spoke to Mark Waid and Peter Krause ahead of the Irredeemable Kickstarter’s launch to find out what they have cooking for the new series, how it feels to step back into this universe after 10 years, the upcoming Netflix adaptations of Irredeemable and Incorruptible, and much more.

    more in link

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  • #95802

    I never found the movie parodies very funny

    I don’t think I ever actually laughed at anything in the magazine, but still appreciated the film parodies as they were still a way to get the gist of some of these grown-up titles that I’d not seen. I certainly read the Godfather parody long before I watched the movie.

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  • #96319

    This year’s Eisner winners have been announced.

    SDCC ’22: 2022 Eisner Award winners, top moments, and more!

    Maybe it’s me but it doesn’t feel like there’s a huge amount to get excited about there. Kind of a thin year overall.

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  • #96320

    This year’s Eisner winners have been announced.

    SDCC ’22: 2022 Eisner Award winners, top moments, and more!

    Maybe it’s me but it doesn’t feel like there’s a huge amount to get excited about there. Kind of a thin year overall.

    Happy to see Phil Jimenez get some wins, been a fan of him for ages, and his Wonder Woman book looks gorgeous.

  • #96321

    That’s true, that Wonder Woman issue was very good. So was the second issue with Gene Ha art. Kind of weird that a #1 issue can win for best one-shot but I guess it was fairly standalone.

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