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BBC Radio 6, 19:00 tonight (Friday 4th):

The legendary comic book writer shares two hours of his favourite music and chats to producer and writer Richard Norris about the important part it’s played in his life and work.

Expect tracks from Captain Beefheart, Joni Mitchell, X-Ray Spex, The Residents, Patti Smith and Sleaford Mods. Plus some of the music he’s made himself over the years.

See if you can guess who it is before you click the link:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0008yp0

Then Sunday at 13:00, is this one easier to guess?

The author of **** amongst much else, picks some of the music that’s shaped him. With tracks from Bowie, Dusty Springfield and Tori Amos.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00093q6

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  • #34248

    The fun thing with Maxwell the Magic Cat is Moore started it when he was unknown and the paper paid him ten quid a strip but he carried on doing it even when he was really successful at DC. He was doing it concurrently with Watchmen and didn’t stop in 1986 because he felt he was too big time for a 3 panel strip for a tenner in the local paper but because he disagreed with some editorial they put out. If I remember correctly it was a homophobic piece.

    I read a few of them around that time as the Speakeasy fanzine (which by then had grown out of being a fanzine really and was stocked in WH Smith) reprinted a few every month and broke that shock story of his resignation from the Northampton Post.

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  • #34271

    Tom King really screwed the pooch.

    So that’s what killed Jae Lee’s pet? The plot thickens…

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  • #34272

    Currently King’s most recent tweets from the last few days (just before Lee’s statement) are about him spending time with his dog. I’m sure it’s an unfortunate coincidence but this whole thing feels like it’s turning into his own personal episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm.

     

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  • #34340

    I don’t quite know what took him so long but he has now posted a full apology with no excuses.

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  • #34349

    Okay, that’s a proper apology.

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  • #34370

    New IDW publisher placed on administrative leave after five days on the job

    IDW Publishing has placed its publisher Jud Meyers on administrative leave, five days after his promotion to the position was announced.

    “IDW Publishing has decided to put Jud Meyers on administrative leave,” IDW’s chief executive officer Ezra Rosensaft told The Hollywood Reporter on Monday. “President Jerry Bennington will assume his responsibilities as interim publisher at this time.”

    The publisher did not specify the reason for putting Meyers on administrative leave.

    Jud Meyers’ appointment to publisher was among a wave of promotions at IDW following the departure of long-time chief creative officer/publisher/president Chris Ryall.

    “To say that the shoes we’ll be stepping into will be hard to fill is the mother of all understatement,” Meyers tweeted on July 22 after the promotions were announced.

    In the press release announcing his promotion, IDW described the publisher position as overseeing “all aspects of production and publication” of IDW’s comics.

    Meyers joined IDW in August 2019 as global sales director, following a short stint in a similar position at Humanoids.

    Prior to that, Meyers had a long track record as a comics retailer, working for Forbidden Planet in London, consulting in Virgin Megastore UK’s first comic store, managing (and co-owning) Earth-2 Comics in Los Angeles, and later co-founding an L.A. comic store named Blastoff Comics.

    Jerry Bennington, who was promoted to president last week at the same time Meyers was promoted, has been named acting publisher.

    For the past eight years, he had been IDW’s vice president of new product development. Prior to his start at IDW in 2012, Bennington worked in the specialty merchandise market for companies including the Upper Deck Company, Krome FX, and 3 Point Entertainment.

  • #34577

    Alan Moore’s ‘last’ words written in comics:

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  • #34584

    Alan Moore’s ‘last’ words written in comics:

    There’s a nice additional epilogue in the LOEG: Tempest hardcover, but I won’t spoil it other than to say it stars both Moore and O’Neill in comics form.

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  • #34627

    Edmonton man featured in Guinness World Record 2020 book for most Marvel tattoos

    An Edmonton man is in the Guinness World Records for “most Marvel comic characters tattooed on the body.”

    Rick Scolamiero has 34 tattoos, including Spiderman, Black Widow, The Hulk and Thanos. The tattoos cover his entire body from the neck down.

    “It started in 2011 with a tattoo of Spiderman on my forearm. I was going to get a sleeve of Marvel characters,” Scolamiero said, referring to a style of tattoo that encompasses someone’s entire arm.

    “I figured maybe I would get the odd Marvel character here and there.”

    After wondering if his feat could be a Guinness World Record, Scolamiero reached out to Guinness and the company said they would create a title for him.

    Scolamiero estimated he’s spent about 400 hours being tattooed, heading to get inked about once a month for about seven years.

    “This is for life. It’s something I enjoy. It’s something I’m passionate about. I still have love for Marvel and the tattoos. It was a great investment.”

    Scolamiero was featured in the Guinness World Record 2020 book and said it was an exciting moment for him.

    All but one of Scolamiero’s Marvel tattoos have been done by Edmonton tattoo artist Tony Sklepic. According to Scolamiero, the duo are now best friends.

    “His artwork is in my house. We’ve been to California, he’s tattooed me in Las Vegas at Comic Con. It’s a great friendship,” Scolamiero said.

    The Edmontonian also has Stan Lee’s signature tattooed on his wrist, after the comic book legend signed it in sharpie at an event.

    Scolamiero also collects other comic related items. His home is filled with various memorabilia.

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  • #34726

    Bill Sienkiewicz on his reaction to the flashback sequence in Into The Spider-Verse:

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  • #34890

    Apropos of nothing, does anyone know what has happened to Steve McNiven? His art was everywhere for a while and it felt like he was going to be massive. But I don’t think I’ve seen anything from him in a couple of years now.

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  • #34915

    from Neil Gaiman’s twitter. art and dialogue done by Marc Hempel

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  • #34941

    Latest comicsgate title looks good:

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  • #34943

    EVS is emulating Liefeld, I see.

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  • #34945

    I can already hear Linkara exclaim, “This comic sucks!”

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  • #34950

    It looks like a deliberate Liefeld pisstake to me. If it’s not then it’s a pretty funny coincidence as it has a lot of his tics.

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  • #34954

    It looks like a deliberate Liefeld pisstake to me. If it’s not then it’s a pretty funny coincidence as it has a lot of his tics.

    Oh, a lot of these people see that era of comics as actually good.

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  • #34959

    Latest comicsgate title looks good:

    Is that the new Milo Manara book?

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  • #34962

    Oh, a lot of these people see that era of comics as actually good.

    Where is Ronnie anyway?

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  • #34964

    Latest comicsgate title looks good:

    Is that the new Milo Manara book?

    Manara might be an absolute horndog, but at least he can actually draw a properly proportioned and believable naked person.

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  • #34971

    Manara is a pretty wonderful artist I think, even if known for T&A.

    This on the other hand looks like utter arse, made by tits.

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  • #34996

    Oh, a lot of these people see that era of comics as actually good.

    I do too, but I can tell that this is real crap.

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  • #34997

    I do too, but I can tell that this is real crap.

    It’s very very poor artwork. Liefeld has his problems with anatomy and daft poses but his stuff has real energy and was original and fresh when he did it.

    This is bad in every way, not just the ridiculous muscles and tits but it’s just very amateurish, the composition is dreadful. I never had dreams of becoming a comics artist because I realised pretty early on I had no skills in the field, try as I might I wasn’t any good at drawing, however given enough time I could probably do something better than that.

    It’s why they have to keep stirring up the controversy because otherwise nobody’s going to fund this shit.

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  • #34998

    Speaking of artwork, this is a piece by Chris Foss, famed for his sci-fi book covers over the decades. A Judge Hershey for 2000ad.

    He’s not great at drawing people is he? (The spaceship looks good).

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  • #34999

    Also, that gun looks slightly impractical.

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  • #35025

    Image

    The X-Men were supreme in 1980 -taking pretty much every American award. The funny thing is in the best British writer category, we now know that TB Grover is a pseudonym for John Wagner co-writing with Alan Grant, John Howard is also John Wagner (the editors made them use pen names to disguise they were writing most of the stories). So he must be a one off in getting the first 3 places in the same category. 😂

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  • #35026

    The X-Men were supreme in 1980 -taking pretty much every American award. The funny thing is in the best British writer category, we now know that TB Grover is a pseudonym for John Wagner co-writing with Alan Grant, John Howard is also John Wagner (the editors made them use pen names to disguise they were writing most of the stories). So he must be a one off in getting the first 3 places in the same category. 😂

    I like that the same 9 issues of Uncanny X-Men took the top three “best story” slots too.

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  • #35028

    Cerebro was a fanzine I subscribed to. I only actually got a couple of issues before the guy making it quit. It was a really thick photocopied magazine and half the content was letters, which basically made it the message board of 1985.

    The guy who ran it called himself Geoff Lamprey but asked for all cheques to be written to Geoff Willets so I think he just preferred the former surname.  The fun thing was he sold back issues all at cover price. With no trades the Byrne era comics were already 5 years old and had appreciated loads but I ordered Days of Future Past issues off him for 40 pence each. Now I wish I’d ordered a lot more, they were all mint condition and worth several quid already by then. A quick Google has Amazon selling #141 for $175.

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  • #35032

    It looks like there was little enthusiasm for British comics back then with Pass crushing every other choice in most categories.

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  • #35038

    They split them out completely back then Don. It’s not exactly the best formatted thing but they are headed British and American section.

    A few years later with the British invasion there was a lot more crossover but in 1980 the names like Bolland, Gibbons and Wagner were completely unknown to US comics. I think the only real Brit working there was Barry Windsor-Smith who emigrated to get work in the 1970s.

    Then they invented fax machines.

    * I only say ‘real Brit’ because Byrne and Claremont were both born in the UK but moved to Canada and the US when little kids.

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  • #36159

    Harvey Kurtzman, John Severin and Renee Goscinny in 1949.

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  • #36521

    Rob Liefeld “spilling the tea” in a recent “Robservations” episode – he’s been going overt he Heroes Roborn deal in detail; how some of the forces at Marvel editorial were strongly opposed to it, and also that some of the fellow Image partners had negative opinions too (particularly Todd McFarlane); largely old news.

    What I wasn’t aware of though was the rivalry and tension between Jim Lee and Marc Silvestri – Silvestri’s recognised by most of the Image founders as the best artist among them; this comes up over and over again – but Jim Lee I don’t think has ever expressed his opinion.

    When Image started Silvestri and his properties were part of Aegis/Wildstorm – I didn’t realise that his forming of Top Cow as a separate studio wasn’t an amicable split; it was sprung on Jim Lee and the rest of Image without notice.

    So apparently when Marvel were meeting with Rob and Jim about Heroes Reborn, and the early signs were that it would be successful, they mulled the idea of other Image founders being brought on board for other books. Liefeld and Lee weren’t opposed  – but when Silvestri was mentioned the usually mild-mannered Jim Lee emphatically and absolutely ruled it out. Marvel let it be, and the deal remained as is.

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  • #36541

    We used to have questions like these scattered around the old boards frequently, and I think it’s been a while since I heard it asked. Was unsure whether or not this deserved its own thread but… Here goes:

    (Feel free to give top threes, fives or tens or whatever.)

    1. Who is your current favourite comics writer? (Why?)

    2. Who is your current favourite comics artist? (Why?)

    3. What is your current favourite creative team? (Why?)

    I’ll supply my own answers in a separate post, I just need to think for a while. :)

  • #36555

    1. Who is your current favourite comics writer?
    Jonathan Hickman, for his world-building in books like EAST OF WEST and DECORUM
    Greg Rucka, for the amount of thought and research he puts into books like QUEEN AND COUNTRY and LAZARUS
    Ed Brubaker, for the realism with which he grounds the storylines in books like CRIMINAL and PULP

    2. Who is your current favourite comics artist? (Why?)
    Mike Mignola, for his beautiful layouts and use of black space to establish mood in HELLBOY and other books
    Andrea Sorrentino, for his realistic and creepy imagery in GIDEON FALLS and I, VAMPIRE
    Jim Lee, because I still get excited every time I see something he has drawn.

    3. What is your current favourite creative team? (Why?)[/quote]
    Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips, because every thing they do together is amazing, whatever the subject matter.
    Robert Kirkman and Charlie Adlard, for their ability to create so many distinct characters during their long run on THE WALKING DEAD.
    Erik Larsen and Erik Larsen, for their seamless teamwork on the greatest superhero comic currently being produced.

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  • #36557

    Erik Larsen and Erik Larsen, for their seamless teamwork on the greatest superhero comic currently being produced.

    I hear you on Erik Larsen but I’m not too sure about Erik Larsen. Regarding their teamwork, there’s something draconic, savage-like, about their work. Been a while since I read anything of theirs though.

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  • #36569

    This has been tricky to write. I do wonder if I’m sorta over comics and just buying and reading old stuff.

    Most writers (I do buy mostly by writer) who I have enjoyed either haven’t written anything of real interest in years (Bendis), don’t seem to be visible producing much (Vaughan), or have cancelled themselves through personal actions. Hickman is sitting in an odd place for me right now – not due to dodgy behaviour – to be clear – more how good x-men should be, and how its kinda meh. He should have an accessible but supercomplex story leaping off the shelves. This is his time. But no.

    So are these the best answers I have?

    • Gillen is probably my go-to writer – but I really did not like Die – so I’ll buy the other stuff and wait until the next long form thing to get excited about.
      Aaron should be here also, I guess I was hoping for super good things but there seems to be a big gap in interesting work.

     

    • Carla Speed McNeil is someone who I look forward to everything she does, and pay into her Patreon. I’m not sure when we’ll see the next thing. Similarly, Brandon Graham Patreon gets a $ and I’m looking forward to what he does next (I also need to get dead tree versions of his collections)

     

    • Brubaker and Phillips are still producing new good things, they may have reached ‘premium price’ status. But a tenner every quarter isn’t bad at all when a digital comic costs £3 plus. No different than what epic was doing all those years ago I guess.

    The thing you didn’t ask. Best series?

    Ice Cream Man. Probably the only new and regular comic I really really look forward to reading.

    I think I need something new to wait for. BOOM seem to have, well, at minimum some interesting covers, I wonder if I should be looking at those to find my new favourite writer?

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  • #36612

    1. Who is your current favourite comics writer? (Why?)

    2. Who is your current favourite comics artist? (Why?)

    3. What is your current favourite creative team? (Why?)

    1. James Tynion IV(his work in Gotham and JLD), Al Ewing(Gotg, Hulk), Gerry Duggan(Marauders), Tim Seeley(Bloodshot,Grayson, various older work), Dan Abnett(Rai)

    2. Jim Lee(DC Fandome was gorgeous), Nicola Scott(WW, various DC, Black Magick), Brett Booth(Titans, Bloodshot), Juan Jose Ryp(Rai)

    3. Seeley/Booth(Bloodshot), Abnett, Ryp(Rai), Rucka/Scott(Black Magick)

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  • #36614
    1. (Feel free to give top threes, fives or tens or whatever.) 1. Who is your current favourite comics writer? (Why?) 2. Who is your current favourite comics artist? (Why?) 3. What is your current favourite creative team? (Why?)

    I’m going to limit my answers to creators with a currently ongoing title on my pull list (as much as such thing exist in this Covid-19 world), just to limit my choices or I’ll be here all day!

    Favourite writer: Greg Rucka for Lazarus – an ambitious “near future” sci-fi epic, full of complex characters, political intrigue, stunning action, and some of the most thorough world building I’ve ever seen (in any medium).

    James Tynion IV is probably my favourite pure superhero writer, although I’m beginning to see the puppeteer’s strings with his work and that’s taking a little of the shine off for me.

    I bloody love Jonathan Hickman’s work – I’ll say again that East of West is one of the greatest long form comics ever – but, I’m not really feeling his X-Men at the moment.

    Favourite artist: Chris Samnee – at first glance his work looks simplistic, but that hides a mastery of storytelling that is hard to beat. He’s got a style that evokes the likes of Mike Weiringo and Darwyn Cooke, and produces work that always carries me away in the moment.

    Jorge Jiminez is quickly making a big impression on me. His Super Sons work has a joyous energy, that transitioned over to Justice League and more recently, Batman. He’s got a really smooth, sleek and detailed line that makes you drool, and can sell big moments that make your jaw drop.

    Terry Dodson, Adam Kubert, and John Romita Jr are living legends as far as I’m concerned.

    Favourite Creative Team: Scott Snyder and Greg Capullo have developed a creative synergy that reminds me of Claremont & Byrne or Claremont & Lee. They bring out the best in each other’s work, elevating it into something special.

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  • #36617

    Time to chip in!

    Favourite writers:

    Garth Ennis. I will read anything with his name on it these days. Especially his Punisher. I didn’t even like Punisher before Ennis came to the table, and his run on Punisher Max, as with every mini with either Frank or Fury, is absolutely amazing. His war stories are excellent, he manages to tell stories about nazi soldiers without dehumanizing them for christ sakes. Without pandering to nazis, I might add. I just love Ennis. These days, he’s my number one. He’s found a very particular niche and he has evolved into writing it to perfection. Starting to think he can do no wrong.

    Tom King. Even though his Batman was a bit of a turd dud literally everything else I’ve read from him in recent years has been absolutely stellar. Vision. Mister Miracle. And now Strange Adventures. I really hope he keeps to these limited maxi-series, I really, really like his style. But, again, his Batman was a bit of a turd.

    James Tynion IV. He’s like Mario from Super Mario Bros 2. Just really good at everything and doesn’t fall into expected tropes. I can’t so much pin his writing style as I can with the above people, but I can say he’s never ever let me down. His characterizations are on point. His stories are tense and exciting. His pacing is really good too. I find myself often reading one of his stories and being surprised I’ve already come to the last page when that happens. His writing just… grabs me and doesn’t let go. He’s damn smooth, is what he is.

    Favourite artists:

    Nicola Scott. Her drawings are astonishing, not because of superior sequential storytelling or because of kinetic style but because the characters she draws look like real people. Different faces. Different body types. They just look… real. The immersion is real too. I think I prefer her Wonder Woman days over her Black Magic, but I’m not criticizing Black Magic. Maybe because I liked the colouring of Wonder Woman. It was really good.

    Jorge Jimenez. His tenure with Justice League was really cool, but his work on the latest Batman is next level stuff. It’s just so good. I really hope he keeps getting paired with whoever inked and coloured Batman because it really is something else.

    Mikel Janin. The style just works for me. It may look a bit stiff at times but still it’s something about it that just… works.

    Jason Fabok. Perfection of DC’s house style. A perfect blend between realism and cartoonishness.

    Honorouable mentions: Mitch Gerads for his inventive style in Mister Miracle. Tony Daniel for his vast improvement over the years. I was pissed back when he was doing some of the Grant Morrison run because I thought his art looked rush. These days it effin doesn’t. He’s not Jason Fabok but if he keeps this level of improvement up he WILL be a super star artist before his career is over.

    Favourite Teams:

    I don’t think I have one at the moment. Maybe Ennis/Burrows? They’ve worked together a lot over the years and both of them have improved. In my opinion, Burrows delivered the so-far best of his career with Punisher: Soviet. Everyone has different, distinct faces. Different body types. Good detail. And he doesn’t shy away from bringing that level of detail to the horrifying reality of Ennis writing antics.

    In response to the above Erik Larsen/Erik Larsen combo I could mention Sean Murphy/Sean Murphy. They both know what the shit they’re doing and it’s as seamless as Erik Larsen but writing stories that garner more than six fans to their name. I admire Sean Murphy and Sean Murphy for scripting to that the art gets to tell the story in a way that’s not usually seen with other teams. It’s not just “setting the mood”, ya know.

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  • #36623

    Good shout. Ennis and Murphy are both amazing, and are definitely amongst my all time faves. I only excluded them above because of my current ongoing title rule. Although I did bend that slightly for Snyder/ Capullo.

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  • #36684

    This has been tricky to write. I do wonder if I’m sorta over comics and just buying and reading old stuff.

    This was exactly my feeling. In the past I’d have confidently dashed off half a dozen names, but today I looked at the blank reply box and felt equally blank. There are writers and artists working today that I admire, but none that I “follow” enough to list them as favourites.

    Looking outside the mainstream, though, these are people whose work I will buy as soon as it is announced:

    1. Who is your current favourite comics writer? (Why?)

    Bryan Talbot. Why… because he comes up with ideas that resonate with me, and that are different from anything else anybody else is doing. And he’s versatile, he doesn’t confine himself to one genre. Look at how different Luthor Arkwright, One Bad Rat, Alice in Sunderland, and Grandville are from each other. No matter what genre he’s tried, he’s always nailed it.

    2. Who is your current favourite comics artist? (Why?)

    Bryan Talbot. Why… because he’s primarily a storyteller, and no matter how insanely detailed or formally perfect his art is, it always tells the story first. Entire pages are just perfectly constructed so you grasp instantly what the action is. And that’s the main skill a comic artists needs to have.

    3. What is your current favourite creative team? (Why?)

    I’ll let you deduce this one :-)

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  • #36685

    3. What is your current favourite creative team? (Why?)

    I’ll let you deduce this one

    Mary Talbot and that one guy who hangs around with her?

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  • #36687

    3. What is your current favourite creative team? (Why?)

    I’ll let you deduce this one

    Mary Talbot and that one guy who hangs around with her?

    Actually I like Mary Talbot and Kate Charlesworth.

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  • #36904

    I decided to give the Audible audio adaptation of Sandman a go after hearing good things about it. And sadly it just didn’t work for me.

    Part of the problem is having Gaiman himself as narrator. Alongside a cast of professional voice actors he just doesn’t hold up, and his delivery of his own words often lacks the required emotion or emphasis. Also, without the visuals a lot of the more clichéd (or just plain dull) aspects of the story are exposed. The whole thing felt like a slightly dusty, melodramatic old radio play. I switched it off after about twenty minutes.

    Also, it’s kind of funny how far it goes out of its way to not mention that it’s based on a comic. The introduction says it’s an adaptation of “the DC publications by Neil Gaiman”, as though it can’t quite bring itself to say the word.

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  • #36970

    Here’s a favourite writer of mine and my new favourite show:

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  • #36989

    Best Jim Lee creations of all time

    https://www.gamesradar.com/best-jim-lee-creations-of-all-time/

  • #36995

    Oh, the Garvey has hit YouTube – will check it out.

  • #36998

    I’m not really interested in making comics, I’m ok just reading them,  but gave him a ‘like and subscribe’ anyway to add to his numbers.

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  • #37103

    I decided to give the Audible audio adaptation of Sandman a go after hearing good things about it. And sadly it just didn’t work for me.

    Part of the problem is having Gaiman himself as narrator. Alongside a cast of professional voice actors he just doesn’t hold up, and his delivery of his own words often lacks the required emotion or emphasis. Also, without the visuals a lot of the more clichéd (or just plain dull) aspects of the story are exposed. The whole thing felt like a slightly dusty, melodramatic old radio play. I switched it off after about twenty minutes.

    Yeah, some parts were good, others not so much.

    I didn’t have a problem with Gaiman’s narration; he has a nice voice and I like to hear him read his own stories. Also, I’m guessing that a good amount of the narration is taken from the original scripts, such as the descriptions of the characters.

    I do find myself wondering what I would make of the story if I wasn’t so familiar with the original comics. I automatically know what all of the characters look like, and could even see the panels in my mind as the story was playing out. Particularly in stories like “The Sound of Her Wings” which I’ve probably read fifty times.

    I mostly liked the voice cast (McAvoy is good as Dream), but I’m not sure what to make of Kat Dennings’ Death. I thought she sounded a little too girlish, kind of nasally or something. Reading the comics, I always heard her voice as being more formal.

    Kind of makes me nervous for the Netflix series. Aside from the obvious things, like casting the right actors and the art direction, I do find myself worrying that Sandman might be something that only really works in the comics medium. Maybe even moreso than Watchmen.

    I wouldn’t mind having McAvoy carry over to the Netflix series, and I wouldn’t object to Tom Ellis and Matt Ryan reprising their roles as Lucifer and Constantine. Not sure who I would cast as Death; thinking of younger actresses, and Millie Bobby Brown is  the only one who comes to mind who I think could pull it off.

    Of course, like Sense8, Altered Carbon, and The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina, I fully anticipate Netflix to cancel it after two seasons…

     

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  • #37136

    Best superhero origin stories of all time

  • #37203

    Rob Liefeld is continuing his rundown of the Heroes Reborn and Image-divorce era on his podcast (Robservations) – in part three he outlined the effect of the Marvel bankruptcy and associated change of management. He spends a lot of time crowing about how his Avengers #1 is still the top selling issue of Avengers ever – even compared to when they added Spidey and Wolvie to the team under Bendis, and had the movies coming out – the market in 1996 was very different to the market circa New Avengers though.

    It’s certainly tumultuous – all around the same time we have Marvel buying Heroes World distributors causing mass disruption to the direct market and smaller publishers, Liefeld and Lee returning to Marvel, Liefeld leaving Image, Lee selling Wildstorm to DC, and Marvel filing for bankruptcy.

    He hasn’t touched upon it yet – and maybe won’t at all – but I recall Silvestri leaving Image (supposedly prompted by Liefeld trying to poach Michael Turner), and this being a main driver for the rest of Image to boot Rob. After Liefeld left, Top Cow returned to Image. Rob still denies being booted.

    The new stuff (new to me anyway) was that just prior to the change of management, Marvel approached Liefeld and Lee for an extension to Heroes Reborn, taking in properties like Ghost Rider and Punisher (which apparently would have been pencilled by Stephen Platt).

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  • #37214

    Yikes, looks like Andrew Robinson praised the Kenosha murderer:

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  • #37223

    Robinson has since quit Twitter. He won’t be missed.

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  • #37343

    A Special Announcement from Dan Piraro (Bizarro.com)

    MY GRAPHIC NOVEL HAS LAUNCHED

    Beloved Jazz Pickles, as promised, today is finally here; I’ve launched the website for my graphic novel, Peyote Cowboy, free for anyone to read. It’s been a long journey so I’m pretty excited.

    Five years ago a scene from a story dropped into my head from who-knows-where and I jotted it down. Not knowing then where it would eventually lead, I had unwittingly begun creating a graphic novel, and today I’m ready to start sharing it with you.

    Told in the style of magical realism, Peyote Cowboy is a surreal story of a cowboy who, in trying to save his son, loses him in a world he can barely make sense of.

    I invite you to visit PeyoteCowboy.net, read the first installment, and see what you think. If you like it, please consider dropping your email address into the subscription form at the bottom of the page and you’ll receive an email from me once a week to direct you to the latest episode. Peyote Cowboy in its entirety will be available to read online for free, will never cost you a cent, and I’ll never share your email address with anyone, not even for money.

    A couple of things to note: If you like the introductory sequence on the home page and decide to move on to the EPISODES section, you can skip ahead to Episode 4, entitled “Big Bang,” as the intro includes the first three episodes. I’ll post Episode 5 next Tuesday, Sept. 8.

    I’d also suggest you check out the ABOUT section and watch my video pitch at the bottom of the page. It’ll tell you more about what I’m up to and, if you only know my comics, you’ll see how I don’t look or sound like you imagined I would because people never do, somehow.

    I hope you’ll come along for the ride and tell your friends about it. It’s a long, strange story, and though I’ve finished writing it, it will take me a few years to complete the elaborate illustrations. If you join me now, you’ll be reading it virtually as I illustrate it. And in a few years, if human civilization is still a thing, you’ll be able to own it in book form!

    I look forward to sharing this with you and hearing what you think of it. Peyote Cowboy is on Facebook, Instagram, and if you’d like to be a supporter of the project, on Patreon.

  • #37349

    Artist Tristan Jones has been very annoyed that Greg Land has traced his work for a Marvel ‘Aliens’ cover.

    It’s nothing new but really blatant.

    Land’s cover on the left, the source material from Jones on the right.

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  • #37351

    Business as usual for Greg Land.

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  • #37352

    Just be thankful the Xenomorph didn’t have this face.

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  • #37354

    I don’t get it with Land. Once upon a time he was a pretty good artist. His Birds of Prey run was pretty cool and original. Why he threw that all away for his current style confuses me no end.

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  • #37355

    Presumably speed and effort.

    I agree though, back in his less traced days he seemed to be a perfectly solid artist.

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  • #37356

    Working is hard.

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  • #37357

    It’s nothing new but really blatant.

    I’d say it’s a lot less blatant than his usual trace-jobs. At least he “remixed” it a little, repositioning the body parts. Jones said he only recognised it because of the hands.

    Not that it excuses Land’s practices, but Marvel’s cover rates are notoriously low. Dave Rapoza had a little Twitter rant about it a while ago.

     

  • #37358

    I’d assume speed and effort as well. On the surface Land’s modern style looks very detailed and realistic to be churned out monthly until you realise all the shortcuts he’s taking via plagiarism and tracing. Most photo-realistic artists use their own models and get them to pose for the panels they compose themselves.

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  • #37360

    And further down the Twitter thread people sourced the Alien head and the egg as well.

    Going back to the Liefeld podcast, was the Marvel offer to Jim Lee known? I’d never heard of that. In the following ep (I’m only partway through) Rob mentions how the Acclaim purchase of Valiant was the catalyst for people like Jim Lee and Rob Liefeld himself to look into selling their studios for big bucks – Rob says he had offers from Steven Spielberg.

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  • #37372

    Going back to the Liefeld podcast, was the Marvel offer to Jim Lee known?

    In a Kevin Smith podcast interview with Lee about 5 or so years back he revealed that Marvel offered him $2m a year to head up the entire comics division. He took the Wildstorm buyout from DC instead.

    (It’s actually worth listening to, Lee seems to open up as he’s ingesting the second hand pot smoke from Smith).

    https://www.mixcloud.com/FatmanOnBatman/36-jim-lee-un-hushed/

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  • #37417

    Love this.

    (By Kevin Maguire.)

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  • #37423

    Bob Wiacek, inker on John Byrne’s Alpha Flight and She-Hulk runs, Paul Smith’s seminal X-Men run and a ton of other comics, needs a little help.

    Also, America’s healthcare system SUCKS, so please vote wisely.

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  • #37443

    Very interesting how that deviates from Rob’s telling. Per Liefeld Marvel bailed on the idea following advice/pushing from Bill Jemas.

    Heroes Reborn was a success in that Rob and Jim took 4 iconic books selling less than 40k monthly to over 150k. The bankruptcy saw them trying to cut costs; at some point whether originating from Lee or from Marvel it was determined that they could save money by cutting Rob and co. out and having Jim Lee’s studio look after the second half of Cap and Avengers. Rob leaves, he says he wasn’t in it for the money; he had a story to tell in six issues of Cap and got it done.

    The second half of Heroes Reborn, all under Jim Lee, under-performs – the sales are still way higher than the pre-HR era but falling. The art’s handled by Wildstorm B-listers and there’s no buzz. Jemas manages to convince Marvel that Lee’s handling of HR doesn’t bode well for a Lee-led Marvel, so despite the fact that overheads would be cut by 50% as a result of ditching the Manhattan base (and many of the Manhattan staff), they change their mind.

    Rob’s still crowing about X-Force #1 selling what it did, after Todd McFarlane (who’d just recently set the sales record with adjectiveless Spider-Man #1) predicted it’d sell less than a million, but doesn’t mention that it was sold polybagged with 1 of 5 different cards; similarly Lee’s X-Men benefited from variant covers. At least Todd’s #1 was gimmick/variant free.

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  • #37447

    At least Todd’s #1 was gimmick/variant free.

    There were quite a few variants of that Spider-Man #1 issue, though most of them weren’t available in the same ratios that X-Force #1 and X-Men #1 were.

    Spider-Man #1 came in a green cover and a silver ink on black version, both of those had polybagged versions, and there were also scarcer gold and platinum variants.

    Spider-Man #1 was actually the comic that really got the ball rolling on variant covers, gimmick covers, and polybags.

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  • #37448

    At least Todd’s #1 was gimmick/variant free.

    Adjectiveless Spider-Man had loads of variants.

    Edit: Jason beat me to it while I was looking for the image!

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  • #37451

    Huh, thanks. I had always thought those were retailer incentives rather than being offered on the shelves at the same time at the same price.

  • #37452

    At least the bagged #1s of X-Force had trading cards with the comic. Spider-Man #1 was just the comic. I remember people being irked by the bagging of Spider-Man #1.

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  • #37462

    Very interesting how that deviates from Rob’s telling. Per Liefeld Marvel bailed on the idea following advice/pushing from Bill Jemas.

    Liefeld is a very entertaining speaker and I love his interviews. I’m not that sure he’s the most reliable narrator. It’s tilted strongly to how he was always right all along, which to be fair is probably true of many of our narratives about our lives, including Lee’s.

    There are a few questionable elements.

    First while he was at the wider group (mostly other media) since 1993, Jemas only had a permanent role in the comics side 3 years later in 2000. Could have had that influence though I suppose, not impossible.

    On the sales a check back at Comichron numbers shows that’s not really the story. Issues 7 and 8 of Cap and Avengers saw higher sales than his issue 4. They dipped a little by the end but by normal comics trends only a very little bit – around 3%. Not much of a difference if we’re talking about fans rejecting the studio guys over his work.

    I think the truth is the pair of them cost a lot of while they did hugely boost the sales on those books (and pretty much maintained them with only a slight drop off) they were still way behind the sales of X-books which I’m sure were much cheaper to make.

     

     

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  • #37463

    Huh, thanks. I had always thought those were retailer incentives rather than being offered on the shelves at the same time at the same price.

    I have the Silver Spider-Man issue. My mail order company at the time allocated them to loyal customers or regular Spider-Man readers. I never bought Spider-Man so must have got it on the former criterion.

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  • #37466

    When I sold off my collection, I did keep one copy of each Issue #13 from the Heroes Reborn titles. It was a crossover with Wildstorm and I don’t believe it has ever been reprinted or collected. (I don’t think it will ever be.)

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  • #37515

    Yeah, highly unlikely to be reprinted – I have one issue because Larry Stroman was the penciller and he’s one of my favourites.

    On the sales a check back at Comichron numbers shows that’s not really the story.

    Weird that Rob refers to Comichron during the episodes. I might go back and try to reinterpret what he meant. He does raise some good points – while he’s crowing a lot about his Avengers #1 being the highest selling Avengers issue ever (which is ignoring the massively different market between 1996 and any time since), he also mentions how successful his Cap run was and is – I was surprised to see its debut issue place 4th out of the four books in September ’96 (figuring he and Cap would be a bigger draw than Whilce Portacio on Iron Man), but he mentions it’s been reprinted and repackaged 3 or 4 times by Marvel since then, getting way more attention than the other titles, despite Jim Lee being a “bigger” artist.

    He refers to Jim Lee being a “siphon” – he really draws upon what/who came before him; with X-Men and Batman he has Kirby, Steranko, BWS, Paul Smith, Silvestri, Byrne, Cockrum, Miller, Mazzuchelli, Rogers, and Neal Adams. With FF he’s drawing upon Kirby and Byrne only, really, and so his work is less inspired – the FF run is not really championed or celebrated, and not mentioned often when running down a Jim Lee bio the way X-Men and Batman are.

    HR

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  • #37523

    Weird that Rob refers to Comichron during the episodes. I might go back and try to reinterpret what he meant.

    I think he meant “I’m the best and sales tanked when I left the books’. He can probably make his own justification based on #1 sales but that’s #1 sales, both books were already down to 110-120k when he was still on them and more or less stayed that way.

    I enjoy him talking but he’s a lot like Neal Adams with his ego and you have to take a lot of it with a big pinch of salt. Truth be told Lee is a more popular artist, nearly every #1 he did right into the 2010s sold over 200k on debut, something I suspect Liefeld hasn’t done since those issue in 1996.

    I agree that his FF run is not championed but I’d argue that outside of his house neither is Rob’s Avengers run.

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  • #37532

    I agree that his FF run is not championed but I’d argue that outside of his house neither is Rob’s Avengers run.

    I honestly forget about Liefeld doing those runs. But to be honest, I really don’t remember much from any of the Heroes Reborn titles outside of the thirteenth issues. (And I recall for the #13s is that they were a crossover with the Wildstorm Universe). They really were more hype than substance.

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  • #37537

    Let me remind you, Todd…50b4813bb62a43c2bc67065657e5febd

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  • #37542

    The post- Liefeld Avengers book was written by Walt Simonson, and had the real Thor (the character Walt worked on) meeting Liefeld’s Thor and the two of them not getting on too well. This rather brief run was relatively entertaining, IIRC.

    The post- Liefeld Captain America book was written by James Robinson, but was pretty bland overall. It did have one scene that sticks in my memory though for all the wrong reasons. Cap on his motorbike, enjoying the sunrise over the ocean. In California. 🤦‍♂️

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  • #37585

    He refers to Jim Lee being a “siphon” – he really draws upon what/who came before him; with X-Men and Batman he has Kirby, Steranko, BWS, Paul Smith, Silvestri, Byrne, Cockrum, Miller, Mazzuchelli, Rogers, and Neal Adams. With FF he’s drawing upon Kirby and Byrne only, really, and so his work is less inspired

    Up to that point, the Fantastic Four, outside of the Lee/Kirby and Byrne runs, was always kind of a dud, though, wasn’t it?

    I don’t think any of that “Heroes Reborn” business is fondly remembered. It didn’t last long before they returned to the regular Marvel Universe, and the whole project seemed to be poorly conceived from the get-go.

     

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  • #37587

    Up to that point, the Fantastic Four, outside of the Lee/Kirby and Byrne runs, was always kind of a dud, though, wasn’t it?

    http://www.tcj.com/simonsons-fantastic-four/

     

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  • #37589

    I don’t think any of that “Heroes Reborn” business is fondly remembered. It didn’t last long before they returned to the regular Marvel Universe, and the whole project seemed to be poorly conceived from the get-go.

    I’d need to look into the specifics of the Cap reprints collections; Rob is proud that his female Bucky has lived on and moved into the 616 from the Heroes Reborn pocket universe.

    The whole thing lasted a year, with “Heroes Return” being the big event to mark these icons coming back – in their absence though Marvel launched a bunch of new titles, most notably Thunderbolts.

    Being familiar with and hyped for Heroes Reborn at the time, when Marvel launched the Ultimate line I ignored it, seeing it a Heroes Reborn rehash – Rob made a similar point in his podcast.

  • #37624

    Up to that point, the Fantastic Four, outside of the Lee/Kirby and Byrne runs, was always kind of a dud, though, wasn’t it?

    I am crying on behalf of Roy Thomas :wacko:

     

     

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  • #37649

    I am crying on behalf of Roy Thomas

    Was his run that bad?

  • #37658

    I am crying on behalf of Roy Thomas

    Was his run that bad?

    I am crying on behalf of Roy Thomas :wacko:

    His job was probably in no small part all about writing down what Kirby had already spent a good day drawing try to enchance it. Lik this classic Kirby thing is happening beautifully. Sun shining, air circulating, full marks ya know? That’s when the editor comes in, first chance he gets, he just crowds the panels with people whose sole existence in the story is for them to state the obvious for the reader. Sometimes on repeat.

    Examples of statements range from: “That building is on fire and falling down!”, “A bullet came out of his gun, somehow!” or “That Namor dude totally wants to bang my wife and the only reason I know is because he just told me.”

    I must admit it’s a clever trick, as it opens up for a pseudo-occult exchange between academic perspective and poetic truthism, and gives the reader an opportunity to confirm that art and its medium are harmonized by equal parts physical and metaphysical symmetry, as noted by it thusly depicting the same objects the same way both ways. It’s important we see the same scenery as the people that live and work in the comic book if we are to maintain any sort of continuity.

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  • #37663

    Cap on his motorbike, enjoying the sunrise over the ocean. In California.

    It’s a different Earth so the sun could very well rise in the west there.

  • #37664

    A bullet came out of his gun, somehow!

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  • #37665

    A bullet came out of his gun, somehow!

    That last panel is my favourite comic panel of all time, satire or no.

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  • #37666

    Cap on his motorbike, enjoying the sunrise over the ocean. In California.

    It’s a different Earth so the sun could very well rise in the west there.

    Your No Prize is in the mail! 🙂

    I realise that. It doesn’t really help. No where else in any Heroes Reborn issues does it explain that they even exist on a different earth – I think that was a retrospective change that came along later (originally wasn’t it just a “pocket universe” created by Franklin Richards). So this was clearly just a mistake. One of those disconnecting moments that totally disrupts your “suspension of disbelief”.

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  • #37699

    A bullet came out of his gun, somehow!

    That last panel is my favourite comic panel of all time, satire or no.

    Why is Spider-Man trying to flick the Punisher?

  • #37700

    A bullet came out of his gun, somehow!

    That last panel is my favourite comic panel of all time, satire or no.

    Why is Spider-Man trying to flick the Punisher?

    He’s gay for The Punisher

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  • #37712

    He’s gay for The Punisher

    Spider-Man is alarmingly cheerful for someone on his ninth consecutive day of “Captain Castles Mad Clap Chase”.

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  • #37713

    A bullet came out of his gun, somehow!

    That last panel is my favourite comic panel of all time, satire or no.

    Why is Spider-Man trying to flick the Punisher?

    He’s gay for The Punisher

    Who isn’t gay for Jon Bernthal?

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  • #37827

    Some clever bending of comic structure in Pascal Joisselin’s Mister Invincible.

    EhZBQjGWoAASm13

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  • #37830

    Yeah, shortly before the old board was put to rest I wrote a couple of long reviews raving about Imbattable (as it’s called in the original French) and the brilliant things it does with the comics page.

    At that time it was only available in English in digital form, so I’m glad that Magnetic Press is putting out hardcopy versions, as many of the tricks the book uses rely on reading it in a physical edition.

    Here’s one of my favourite pages from volume two – pretty much a perfect comics page as far as I’m concerned, and it can be enjoyed in any language!

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  • #38159

    Love this FP-exclusive Bolland cover for the Rorschach book.

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  • #38342

    How legendary weekly British comic, 2000 AD, survived Covid-19 and thrived

    Interesting look at how Rebelion handled the Covid crisis.

    It contrasts a lot with how Diamond responded like a rabbit in the headlights and just stopped with minimal communication for 2 months. They were pretty dynamic in shifting emphasis to the channels that did stay open (small convenience stores, mail order  and digital).

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  • #39225

    The headline is a bit sensational, but I’m not sure I disagree.

    Punisher Creator Gerry Conway “Cancel Every Existing Superhero Comic”

    To state the obvious, comic book publishing is in serious trouble, with a business model that almost literally has no future. Yet comic books are a source of intellectual property for exploitation in all sorts of popular media and have never have greater potential.

    So, why is this? Why do comics as a storytelling form (superhero and otherwise) have such an enormous impact on popular culture but comic book publishers are struggling to survive? Why are publishers almost universally failing to succeed at actual publishing? My basic answer is— they’re pursuing the *wrong market.* And they’ve been doing so, with increasing desperation, since the late 1970s.

    Let’s put aside the incredible business stupidity of depending on a single distribution method (direct sales to single-audience comic book stores). The problem is bigger: the defined audience for mainstream comics is an audience that by definition constantly shrinks.

    For a variety of self-enforcing reasons, publishers have defined the primary audience for mainstream comics as, in effect, long term fans and potential collectors. Hence, fan-oriented naval gazing continuity, tri-annual “events”, reboots, collector-oriented variant covers, etc. Every single one of these marketing ploys is designed *solely* to appeal to existing readers. Even reboots, ostensibly intended to offer “jumping on” points to new readers, actually require familiarity with previous iterations to provide interest. New readers aren’t welcomed by the existing creative strategy at the two mainstream publishers— if anything, new readers are actively *discouraged* by the publishers’ frantic pursuit of motivated, existing readership. The clubhouse is closed. Stay out.

    Publishers, of course, will disagree with this analysis and say they’re always trying to provide on-ramps to new readers. But any serious look at what they’re offering, in the main, reveals a decided tilt— in fact a massive tilt— toward privileging the existing readership. And this makes sense, in a way, because of a cultural creative shift in the editorial direction of the publishing houses that can be traced back to the era I’m from— the late 1960s, early 1970s.

    In the mid 1960s, around 1967, DC Comics offered a weekly tour of their offices during the summer. I went on the tour (and like others, Len Wein and Marv Wolfman among them, became a regular). At one point I had a conversation with then-editor Julie Schwartz. We were talking about a Green Lantern story, and I made some fanboy comment about what I hoped would happen. Julie paused and looked at me. “How old are you?” “Fourteen,” I said. He snorted. “Too old. You’re not my reader.” And he walked off.

    I later learned that at DC (and also at Marvel) in the 1960s the commonly accepted view of the comic book readership was a kid (undoubtedly male) between the age of 9 and 13. What today’s book publishers would call Middle-Grade Readers. This makes sense. If we’re honest about it, the basic, root appeal of superhero stories is to that part of ourselves that lives in a pre-sexualized, pre-adolescent dream state in which anything is possible. It’s the world of “Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone.” Like “Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone” (or Philosopher’s Stone if you want to be pedantic), young adults and adults can enjoy superhero stories too, and even want those stories to evolve and mature, just as the Potter books evolved and matured. But. But. But Regardless of what appeal the first Potter book might have for older and existing readers…its primary readership was intended to be, and remains, Middle-Grade, 8 to 12. And the same used to be true for comics, particularly superhero comics. Until my generation came along. Yeah, we Boomers f**ked it up, as usual.

    When I and my cohorts replaced the creatives who’d given the comic book business massive success in the 1960s, folks like Stan Lee and Julie Schwartz, we brought with us our Boomer self-obsession. We didn’t want to create comics for kids. We wanted comics for *us.* That’s the origin of comic book superheroes’ shift from Middle-Grade readership in the 1960s to Young Adult readership in the 1970s, and Adult readership in the 1990s and beyond— the refusal of Boomer creatives and editors like myself and others to Let It Go. We redefined the readership comics were aimed at— coinciding with a shift in distribution that allowed that redefinition to stick. The result is a dead end for comic book publishing as a business. How would I change this?

    I’d cancel every existing superhero comic book, and publish a limited new line for a Middle-Grade readership, simplify characters and storylines, and eliminate every “event” that requires more than passing familiarity with the basic simplified continuity. Ten-fifteen titles.

    For existing readers, I’d offer a separate, higher priced graphic novel line with whatever expanded adult storylines creators and readers want to explore. But this would be separate. Not monthly. Not the mainstream.

    And I’d do *everything* possible to get monthly comics into supermarkets and movie theaters and Walmart and Target and Costco and offer subscription services through Amazon. Pursue every alternate distribution Avenue possible.

    The present course taken by the major publishers is a dead end. They’re pursuing the wrong readership. There’s a bigger audience out there. We just have to welcome them.

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  • #39227

    A lot of what he’s suggesting is already out there as it is. Mature-readers OGNs, kid-oriented titles, getting books in Walmart etc. It’s not new thinking.

    Cancelling all superhero titles seems like a bit of a blunt solution when some of those are still successful (both artistically and commercially).

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