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Same with Georgia, where Biden’s 49.5% of the vote came from less than 10% of the state (in terms of square miles) while Trump’s 49.3% came from the remaining 90%; and that 10% was clustered in the six major cities: Atlanta, Macon, Savannah, Augusta, Athens and Columbus)
Well yeah, empty land doesn’t vote. Over half of Georgia’s population lives in the Atlanta Metopolitan area.
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Exactly. How the fuck are we supposed to know the difference?!? Just hope? https://t.co/zmLXvjH1bf
— Martina Navratilova (@Martina) March 23, 2021
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Which is why an EU superstate will remain a useful spectre for dubious politicians to invoke.
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Honestly, Arjan, I’m done with the argument. I was just clarifying my position
Sort of suggests you’re not done, but you’re just choosing to avoid confronting people dissembling your shonky position.
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At the same time though, it isn’t necessarily a bad opinion in the sense that the material is involved with a lot of negative social behavior. I don’t really see a practical approach to it involving banning it, but not addressing the entire phenomenon of militant and violent white supremist movements is also a bad idea. My main objection is that banning the material is like illegalizing drugs – it’s a knee-jerk reaction that is really driven by the desire to ignore a problem, not really invest any action to address it.
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Years ago, this commentator (not mentioning names) was interviewed on CNN about Sarah Palin.
One of the things he said was he wouldn’t put it past the McCain/Palin ticket winning given how “stupid this country is”.
At the commercial break the CNN phones were off the hook (“How dare he say that!). The host then asked him to clarify,
maybe take it back, and he doubled down standing by it.I posted once on MW about the ignorance some Americans have and a mod (no names again) sort of reprimanded me in private
saying I was being insulting and I saw his point to an extent and backed off.Now, since that time, we have Covid deniers, vaccination deniers, anti maskers, conspiracy theorists, Qanon, climate change deniers.
anti science, anti history… People like Rush Limbaugh, Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, getting huge followings.
We had Trump being voted to office, Trump then losing but still getting 75M votes, the Jan 6th insurrection
at the Capitol. People like Marjorie Taylor Greene being voted to office, Boebert as well… and so on.It all reminds me of of what the current “Cosmos” host, the physicist Neil Degrasse Tyson said. He said that somewhere along the
line the education system failed a lot of people. That is pretty much the best way to put it. I won’t call others “stupid” or “ignorant”.Maybe it is more appropriate to say “misled”.
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I think it has to do with distrust of institutions. Some demagogue will say to people they are under threat, the education system and the media, the elites etc want to brainwash them, take away their religion and their traditions, dumb them down, keep them in chains. The mainstream narrative (climate change is happening, the Earth is round, vaccines are safe etc) is kind of like a prison. And to reject it is to become “redpilled”, like in the Matrix.
I think I kind of floated in that direction a bit. It is seductive, especially if you’re feeling down. And I still pretty much believe the world has gone crazy.
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I posted once on MW about the ignorance some Americans have and a mod (no names again) sort of reprimanded me in private saying I was being insulting and I saw his point to an extent and backed off.
Now, since that time, we have Covid deniers, vaccination deniers, anti maskers, conspiracy theorists, Qanon, climate change deniers. anti science, anti history… People like Rush Limbaugh, Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, getting huge followings. We had Trump being voted to office, Trump then losing but still getting 75M votes, the Jan 6th insurrection at the Capitol. People like Marjorie Taylor Greene being voted to office, Boebert as well… and so on.
It all reminds me of of what the current “Cosmos” host, the physicist Neil Degrasse Tyson said. He said that somewhere along the line the education system failed a lot of people. That is pretty much the best way to put it. I won’t call others “stupid” or “ignorant”.
Maybe it is more appropriate to say “misled”.
The US hardly has a monopoly on that though. There are “misled” people all over.
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However, as usual, the US is #1! Woo hoo!
I really don’t think the US is no 1 in ignorance. There are far more fucked up countries with crazy people and ideologies clashing with each other.
Sometimes it seems like half the US believes the US is the best country in the world, and the other half thinks they’re the worst.
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It all reminds me of of what the current “Cosmos” host, the physicist Neil Degrasse Tyson said. He said that somewhere along the line the education system failed a lot of people.
The previous Cosmos host, Carl Sagan, said exactly the same thing in a 1995 book. So it’s been happening for a while.
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For someone done with this discussion, you’re spending a lot of time “clarifying” your position on it.
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Biden: ‘My plan is to run for reelection’ in 2024
If he’s still with us in ’24.
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Biden may be on the ballot in 2024, but he probably won’t be running; more like shuffling along…
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Georgia Lawmaker Charged With Felony For Knocking On Gov. Brian Kemp’s Office Door
Georgia politics still crap.
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Apparently, the grassroots efforts of Stacy Abrams that led the state of Georgia to turn blue (Senate seats, election votes) took the powers that be in Georgia by surprise. So, last night, a law was signed in Georgia to in effect suppress voting by people of color. It is clear that they only want the white votes to count.
Severe restrictions Georgia Republicans just put in place:
New voter ID requirements for absentee ballots
Empower state officials to take over local elections boards
Limit the use of ballot drop boxes
Make it a crime to approach voters in line to give them food and water https://t.co/JqVFJerzsP
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) March 25, 2021
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Apparently, the grassroots efforts of Stacy Abrams that led the state of Georgia to turn blue (Senate seats, election votes) took the powers that be in Georgia by surprise. So, last night, a law was signed in Georgia to in effect suppress voting by people of color. It is clear that they only want the white votes to count.
It’s easier than changing your policies to appeal to people.
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It’s amazing to see the GOP claim they aren’t all about voters suppression at the same moment the GOP in states are passing laws clearly meant to suppress the vote. I guess the G in GOP officially stands for gaslighting now since it’s literally all they do anymore.
The fact that it’s easier to buy a gun than to vote in GA is pretty sad.
On a similar note, one of the Senators from SD tweeted a veiled threat at Biden yesterday. Because fomenting violence is also what the GOP likes to do these days. You know, since no one holds them accountable for anything they say or do.
Hey @JoeBiden – come and take it. Careful, she bites too. pic.twitter.com/NOKWlq5aQv
— Senator Mike Rounds (@SenatorRounds) March 25, 2021
Stay classy, conservatives.
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Fucking insane. My cockwomble of a PM has just likened remote working to “a few days off”.
Covid wave 4, here we go.
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Twat.
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Didn’t Alex Jones try to use this same defense in one of the lawsuits against him in regard to the false “false flag” claims he made as well?
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Honestly she is right, no reasonable person should believe her. However it is kind of sad when you have to use that as your own defense, as a lawyer. You should use the legal insanity defense for your clients, not for yourself!
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While I can see how that defense can work for TV and radio personalities, it’s another thing entirely for a lawyer to try to argue that no reasonable person should believe what they’re saying. People like Tooker Carlson and Alex Jones can argue that they’re just there for entertainment. A bs excuse for what they do, but I can get how they are able to win that argument. But if no reasonable person should believe what a lawyer is saying while she’s trying to represent a case? At the very least you’re essentially telling people you’re a terrible lawyer that no one should ever hire and you probably shouldn’t even be practicing law at all.
But yeah, I guess we all agree with Sidney Powell that she shouldn’t be a lawyer and should be disbarred.
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I’d assume it’s basically the only defence she has left to try and dismiss. She’s spouted an obviously libellous accusation on multiple official channels, she’ll have no proof to back up the claims against the machine maker so ‘I was just kidding’ is the only remaining idea I can think of.
It’s a bullshit defence but I can’t imagine what else you could use.
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The rub is that she is claiming both that she believes what she is saying is true, but that no one else could reasonably believe what she’s saying even though a large percentage of the population believed what she claimed including many elected members of state and federal government.
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It’s definitely not but as I said hubris has led her into a hole where I can’t think of many other ways out of it.
She’s pretty much lost the credibility bit already and the other scenario of sticking to her claims is damages of a billion dollars and resultant bankruptcy.
For someone with clearly enough academic ability to get to that position she’s been as thick as pig shit.
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Wait until you hear how much the Afghanistan war cost https://t.co/AOCf74lO66
— jordan (@JordanUhl) March 29, 2021
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What has it cost the US, anyway?
According to a Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report published in October 2007, the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 trillion by 2017 including interest.
How much would free college education cost the US again?
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Number 10 issues a report on race in the UK, what can possibly go wrong?
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Number 10 issues a report on race in the UK, what can possibly go wrong?
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Apparently the Trump campaign was responsible for 3% of all credit card fraud claims in the US last year. That is actually massive.
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Trump: Georgia voting law doesn’t go far enough
Former President Donald Trump on Tuesday wrote in a statement that it was “too bad” that the GOP-sponsored law restricting voter access in Georgia “didn’t go further.”
Why it matters: The law has garnered widespread condemnation from civil rights activists, Democrats, and more than 100 businesses and CEOs for instituting stricter ID requirements and limiting the use of ballot drop boxes, among other restrictions.
Support from Trump, whose false narratives about the 2020 election have gained traction among some Republican voters, could further embolden lawmakers in states with GOP majorities that are already pushing similar bills.
What they’re saying: “Too bad the desperately needed election reforms in Georgia didn’t go further, as their originally approved Bill did, but the Governor and Lt. Governor would not go for it,” Trump wrote.
“This Bill should have been passed before the 2020 Presidential Election, not after,” he added.
“Boycott all of the woke companies that don’t want Voter I.D. and Free and Fair Elections,” he concluded.The big picture: Other high-ranking members of the Republican establishment have also spoken out against the backlash to the law.
On Monday Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) accused corporations taking a stand against the law of employing “economic blackmail.”
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Trump: Georgia voting law doesn’t go far enough
Former President Donald Trump on Tuesday wrote in a statement that it was “too bad” that the GOP-sponsored law restricting voter access in Georgia “didn’t go further.”
Why it matters: The law has garnered widespread condemnation from civil rights activists, Democrats, and more than 100 businesses and CEOs for instituting stricter ID requirements and limiting the use of ballot drop boxes, among other restrictions.
Support from Trump, whose false narratives about the 2020 election have gained traction among some Republican voters, could further embolden lawmakers in states with GOP majorities that are already pushing similar bills.
What they’re saying: “Too bad the desperately needed election reforms in Georgia didn’t go further, as their originally approved Bill did, but the Governor and Lt. Governor would not go for it,” Trump wrote.
“This Bill should have been passed before the 2020 Presidential Election, not after,” he added.
“Boycott all of the woke companies that don’t want Voter I.D. and Free and Fair Elections,” he concluded.The big picture: Other high-ranking members of the Republican establishment have also spoken out against the backlash to the law.
On Monday Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) accused corporations taking a stand against the law of employing “economic blackmail.”
Trump on Sunday called on his supporters to boycott the companies.Oh, Donny, shut the fuck up.
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Republicans Don’t Believe in Democracy (Duh!), Study Says
We needed a study to tell us this?
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Pre-election rules says Johnson? What are those?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/06/no-10-says-mayor-of-londons-cannabis-review-a-waste-of-time
At Monday evening’s Downing Street press conference, devoted to coronavirus rules, Johnson used the event to castigate Khan for a shortfall in the finances of Transport for London (TfL), saying he [Johnson] had left the office with these in “robust good order”.
Aside from the inaccuracy – TfL had debts of £9bn when Johnson stepped down as mayor in 2016 – the comments prompted criticism that they were made at an official government event during the election period.
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We needed a study to tell us this?
It’s interesting how this study goes about it though.
Grumbach’s State Democracy Index (SDI) is the first attempt to use a V-Dem-style approach to measure the more subtle ailments afflicting democracy in the United States. Metrics include the extent to which a state is gerrymandered at the federal level, whether it permits same-day voter registration, and whether felons are permitted to vote. He also includes criminal justice indicators, like a state’s Black incarceration rate, that are designed to measure state coercion.
To turn these metrics into an actual score, Grumbach uses a process that’s part subjective and part algorithmic.
The subjective part strives to determine whether an individual practice, like voter ID laws, is helpful or harmful to democracy. Grumbach then uses an algorithm to determine how much each of these practices should count toward a state’s overall score, either negatively or positively. This automated process ended up downplaying the criminal justice metrics, which barely factor into a state’s ultimate score. By contrast, the algorithm gave significant weight to electoral practices like gerrymandering (negative) and same-day registration (positive).
With a system in hand, Grumbach then proceeded to score all 50 states in every year between 2000 and 2018, from -3 (worst) to 2 (best). The following maps show the changes in state scores; the lighter the color, the worse the score is.
https://www.vox.com/2021/4/5/22358325/study-republican-control-state-government-bad-for-democracy
This bit is particularly interesting:
There could be all sorts of reasons why this is happening. Maybe Republican states had high levels of demographic change, causing white voters to embrace voter suppression in response. Maybe Republicans won power in states in which the parties were highly polarized, which raised the stakes of political conflict and caused incumbents to try to secure their hold on power.
To test these theories, Grumbach ran a series of regression analyses designed to isolate correlations between a state’s democracy score and variables like percentage of nonwhite voters and measures of state-level polarization. Strikingly, these things either barely mattered or didn’t matter at all.
Only two things really did: whether a state was controlled by Republicans and whether Republicans had gained that control recently. Republican-controlled states in general were far more likely to perform worse in the State Democracy Index over time; Republican states with a recent history of close elections, like Wisconsin and North Carolina, were especially likely to decline from 2000 to 2018.
“Among Republican controlled states … those whose recent elections have been especially competitive are the states to take steps to reduce their democratic performance,” he writes.
The paper’s findings suggest a consistent national Republican policy on democracy being enacted at the state level to make it harder for voters to take away their power.
So yeah, not exactly unexpected, but demonstratively: In states in which Republicans have recently gained power and are afraid of not being able to hold onto it, they have taken particularly big steps in voter suppression – and this is likely to be a nationally co-ordinated, deliberate strategy.
Also, this bit about gerrymandering:
The SDI shows that, in the United States, gerrymandering is not a “both sides” problem. It uses 16 different measurements of gerrymandering to assess how prevalent the tactic is in different states; 10 of these measures are the most heavily weighted factors in a state’s ultimate democracy score. These metrics show that Republican legislators abuse gerrymandering in a way that Democrats simply do not.
Some of this abuse has happened quite recently. Take a look at North Carolina’s SDI score over time — it starts to plunge shortly after Republicans drew new maps in 2011, ones that allowed them to win 77 percent of the state’s House seats in 2018 with just under 50 percent of the state vote:
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The formation process for our new government is not going well. In a major bloopers one MP was photographed with documents that were legible and which said that VVD did not want to work with one MP from the Christian democrats party, Pieter Omtzigt, who has been a bit of a rebel. Later prime minister Rutte was asked about this and he said he “never discussed Omtzigt at all”. This turned out to be a lie and now other parties have ruled out forming a coalition government under Rutte. So maybe we’ll get a new prime minister when this is over.
If the VVD is completely ruled out by the other parties, which seems unlikely since they were the election winner, but it would be cool if they were excluded, a very broad left wing coalition of six leftist parties plus the centrist Christian democrats would be a possibility, ahh who am I kidding that is not going to happen.
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In a major bloopers one MP was photographed with documents that were legible
Hmmm, I’m just no longer convinced these instances are really accidental, there’s just been too many.
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Why would Sid’s dad off Skins do that?
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Republicans Don’t Believe in Democracy (Duh!), Study Says
We needed a study to tell us this?
I don’t think democracy works, at least not as intended, in societies that are too divided. You need some common fundamental ideals, and a willingness to live together.
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I am not so sure about that. I mean, isn’t democracy the best form especially for divided countries? Most other forms of government that we know lead to suppression of the other groups in favour of one perticular single group and lead to disastrous consequences in the long run.
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The system the US has now isn’t working all that well. I do think moving to a ranked choice system might be a helpful start that could possibly reduce polarization and keep more of the lunatic fringe out, but there’s a lot broken in the government and not enough people in the government want to fix it. Because it just doesn’t benefit them to do so.
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That seems the problem Chris, the US system is rather set up to work collaboratively or it doesn’t work at all.
The UK system is the opposite in that it’s set up to be confrontational and really it’s kind of crazy how much power a PM has with a decent sized majority, he can pretty much do what he likes and a lot of the controls are traditions rather than codified. It does mean you can get things done but while gerrymandering is controlled by an independent boundaries commission (the US badly needs that) the Conservatives an basically do what they want with only a 42% share of the vote (and 42% is high, it’s been as low as 36%)
So yes I agree, ranked choice systems are better, it basically forces a level of collaboration is it’s rare to get outright majorities without coalition. They aren’t perfect either as sometimes a small radical party can be kingmakers and have more influence than they should but it’s still the better of the 3.
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London is a city which is very, very close to his heart, and about which he knows an awful lot, having run it.”
Knowing very little about Johnson’s staff, I would guess that Stratton is a press secretary or speech writer
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“That’s a bingo!”
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Knowing very little about Johnson’s staff, I would guess that Stratton is a press secretary or speech writer
She’s actually the first person to do the ‘C.J.’ press secretary role for the PM. In the past Prime Minister’s have either spoken themselves or put forward cabinet ministers. You may have seen on TV that they often just setup a temporary podium in the middle of 10 Downing Street and speak from there.
Johnson is emulating the US model by building a new press room and appointing a press secretary to reply on his behalf.
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ranked choice systems are better
Is that the same as “Preferential voting”? That works well in that it empowers smaller parties or independents by ensuring that supporting them poses no risk of “throwing your vote away”.
Yeah, ranked choice and preferential voting are pretty much the same thing, marking your ballot in order of preference. There are different ways of counting the vote in the background though. Australia and Ireland use Single Transferrable Vote for most elections – here the main variant is presidential elections use Instant runoff instead (which is functionally identical to STV, it’s just designed for a one-person election instead of a multi-seat one)
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Was gonna post this in the Movie News and Trailers thread:
Every elected official in Georgia who voted in favor of that damn law should have seen this coming. Atlanta was a big filming location. Not any more after this. Georgia cut off its nose to spite its own face.
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It will be tough for Tyler Perry to leave though. A lot of this is simply survival for many productions. Most can’t leave even if they want to.
On top of that, what influence will they have if they leave the state? Instead, bring in more and more people to fight the political momentum.
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Yeah, there’s an argument to be made that big, diverse companies and productions should move to places like GA and TX and FL in order to fight this kind of stuff from the inside. You bring diverse, liberal workers to these areas, create good jobs, and actually vote against this bullshit at the ballot box.
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There has to be consequences to political decisions. The right wing in the US and UK has had a free ride for a few years but it wasn’t going to be infinite. Johnson’s chickens have come home to roost in N Ireland. Companies saying they don’t want to work in a state due to that state’s politicians passing specific laws? Action, consequence.
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I’m not saying the Labour party are incompetent muppets or anything, but I just did an online survey (through a polling company) which had a rough cut of a party election broadcast video in it, for which they wanted feedback. They hadn’t locked down the video though; it’s unlisted but there are still share buttons in the player, so you can freely embed it, get the url etc.
The big thing is though, it’s awful. It’s for the upcoming local elections next month (presumably) yet is just a puff piece for Kier Starmer. And not even a good one: he meets random people in an empty bandstand and answers banal questions, including explaining to a bored 9 year old how he got his knighthood at one point. There’s no policy in it and zero charisma. And this is how they hope to win council seats?
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Starmer has been a fucking disaster, it’s fucking tragic that the CLP sabotaged Corbyn relentlessly to put this muppet in charge thinking he’d somehow appeal to Tories.
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The problem Labour has is how to oppose a perpetually, emotionally manipulative government that lies as naturally as breathing, which the electorate doesn’t seem to give a shit about.
About the only option seems to be to rely on Brexit wrecking everything, then Labour wins by default.
But based on past record, see the 2008 crash, Johnson would successfully blame Labour for it all.
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About the only option seems to be to rely on Brexit wrecking everything, then Labour wins by default.
The old truism is that Oppositions don’t win elections, governments lose them – it certainly seems to be right here (it doesn’t apply as often in the US due to the two term limit), where I can’t think of any election where a change of government came as a result of the masses actively voting primarily to install a new government, rather than to get rid of the existing one.
Here, the pandemic has been managed well at a state level so all of the state leaders have enjoyed record high satisfaction/approval in both polling and actual elections that have taken place, most recently Western Australia’s Labor Government was returned to power, winning 69.7% of the vote – 53 seats, the Opposition reduced to 2. The glow has reflected on the federal government too despite their errors; I would have thought that BoJo would be on the ropes based on what we’ve seen coming out of the UK in terms of the spread of the virus, the stop/start lockdowns, and the early negative impact of Brexit, but (even before the relatively successful vaccine roll-out) half the polls I saw had the Conservatives gaining support.
A theory being put forward here is that once the pandemic is more or less behind us, the voters will want to boot the government to draw a line under the period, likening it to Churchill “winning WWII” and then losing the next election – “the war is old news, we want to and need to move on from it”.
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A theory being put forward here is that once the pandemic is more or less behind us, the voters will want to boot the government to draw a line under the period, likening it to Churchill “winning WWII” and then losing the next election – “the war is old news, we want to and need to move on from it”.
True, with the main difference being that Churchill actually did play a part in that military victory while no one won the pandemic.
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no one won the pandemic
There’s a case to be made that it was managed well in Australia, all told.
Not just in stopping the importation and spread of the virus, but also a massive spend on supporting businesses and the unemployed for the better part of last year.
We have a record national debt as a result though. $700B, increasing to $966B in two years (in 2013 when the current government came to power it was a mere $257B).
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Starmer has been a fucking disaster, it’s fucking tragic that the CLP sabotaged Corbyn relentlessly to put this muppet in charge thinking he’d somehow appeal to Tories.
He has been absolutely useless is projecting what his party actually stands for, it’s incredibly insipid. They are giving no reasons to specifically vote for Labour other than they aren’t the Tories.
They continue to have no idea why the lost Scotland completely and the red wall in England. I wouldn’t be surprised if they lose seats rather than gain them in the Senedd elections in Wales.
Whether anything comes to pass or not (probably not) I can at least hear Johnson’s infrastructure plans offering something to these post industrial areas. In the run up to elections I look at the Labour friendly Guardian and they have 20 stories on ‘UK politics’ – none covering Labour.
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Conservatives release a campaign leaflet where they’ve forgotten to include any actual policies:
To be honest, I’m more bothered by the fact they don’t know the difference between “effect” and “affect”.
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To be honest, I’m more bothered by the fact they don’t know the difference between “effect” and “affect”.
That’s the first thing I noticed, BEFORE I read your comment. Soul brothers!
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Has there ever been a case where a supreme court judge has died in “mysterious circumstances”, allowing the president to appoint someone more in line with his own thinking?
I mean, not in recent years, obviously. I’m talking about in the olden days when life was cheap and political corruption rampant, not like today
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This is what I get when I click Jerry’s link:
about:blank#blocked
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, JERRY???!!!
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Sorry, that was a link to a Washington Post article that apparently cannot be accessed unless you are a subscriber. Here’s an article from CNN on the same topic:
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Interesting that the “pillow over his face” was later denied. It seems any bullshit someone says can become part of a news story.
Come to think about it, if he was murdered “by pillow”, would the murderer keep the pillow lying on the person’s face? I think most murderers would put the pillow back where it was before to hide the murder.
This sounds like the kind of mystery a coroner’s inquest could clear up…
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he was murdered “by pillow
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Great to see our PM respond to personal corruption allegations by setting up a leak inquiry into the leak of his own personal text messages, and then leaking to the press that Cummings is the one responsible.
You’d almost think he was trying to distract our attention from something.
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The leaks thing is such a sideshow though, such spectacular point-missing in the context of the lobbying/corruption that is being exposed.
It’s like coming home and finding your house on fire, and deciding the the most important thing is finding out who manufactured the matches.
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Caitlyn Jenner Announces Run For California Governor
Do we really need another reality star in office? Especially considering how abysmal the last one was?
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It is a headache. The only appeal is clout and a run of this sort only benefits the opposition.
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