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I definitely think the response to Black Lives Matter has gotten better, Dave. Like I said earlier, brands have taken BLM up now and there are signs in windows and lawns all over the place around me. I know I live in MA which is really blue but the abundance of signs is something I’ve only noticed in the last couple years. I’m sure it’s different in red states, but the fact that huge brands like Amazon & Netflix have adopted it speaks to the pressure they feel to support it.
That’s been my impression too. It feels like it’s been a successful slogan and campaign in a way that Defund The Police hasn’t.
Maybe that will change in future, who knows, but I think a change to something more positive and constructive like you suggest might work better.
No-one can really argue with the idea that policing could be improved, reformed and made better, and funding better deployed (unless they think that policing is perfect as it is?) but Defund just sounds too extreme, too much like tearing the whole thing down.
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I watched that show some time ago, I think their point was that even fair trade chocolate isn’t guaranteed slave free. You got producers who use forced child labour and pay them very little, or just give them food and a place to sleep, but slip through the net and thier cocoa beans get bought by middle men who get fair trade certification. It’s a murky business.
It is, why the rest of my sentence was “which are likely to have more positive impact on the people producing them.”
These kinds of certificates are currently the best available option for consumers, and fairtrade is a pretty good one, but none of them are perfect (and some are pure corporate conmanship).There is a perverse incentive of course in that it’s more expensive to do good than bad. Organic food is more expensive than non-organic. It’s hard to blame people who don’t have a lot of money for wanting a cheaper product.
Absolutely. Slavoj Cicek suggests that those whole organic and fairtrade businesses don’t do anything to better the situation and are just a way for wealthy people to feel good about themselves. But then, he’s a commie.
I do think he has a point. We do need more stringent laws above all, laws that make inhumanely produced goods more expensive and responsibly produced ones cheaper.Honestly we talked about communism and socialism, but to some extent we already live in a fucked up dystopia. We’re thoroughly propagandized, fearful and docile. We lost what values or principles we might have had at some point, turned against our own countries, and we’re China’s bitch now. I fucking hate this life we have now, goddammit, I wish we could rise up against it, the filthy fucking cowards who rule us. But everybody lost their mind. It seems futile.
I think things are pretty much the same as they’ve been for decades, we’ve just grown more aware of it and some things have become extrapolated. But honestly, I think there are more people these days fighting for their principles right now than their used to be when I was a teenager. Demonstrations for minorities’ rights, against sexism and misogyny, for queer rights… and fucking finally people seem to be waking up to the facts of climate change and to understand that it won’t go away by itself and we have to take action.
Yes, this includes a huge amount of polarisation and it sucks that this means that right-wing extremism is also on the rise. But it does feel like a lot of attitudes have changed for the better.
The point is to keep repeating it, the more it sticks around the more people will look into what it means.
I don’t know, I think it allows right-wing pundits to keep framing this issue in terms that will make a lot of people very afraid, and that’s different to the other examples you and Lorcan mentioned. I have to say I wouldn’t know what slogan would be better; I think one thing this one does is that it draws attention to how drastic the situation is. Everybody keeps shouting for one thing or another to be reformed, but the sheer radicality of that slogan illustrates just how bad things are.
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I have to say I wouldn’t know what slogan would be better; I think one thing this one does is that it draws attention to how drastic the situation is. Everybody keeps shouting for one thing or another to be reformed, but the sheer radicality of that slogan illustrates just how bad things are.
Or it makes people turn off and ignore it entirely because they see it as extreme and over-the-top.
I think a running theme of this thread (it comes up in the party political discussions too) is that positive slogans and campaigning generally work better than negative. Something about rebuilding, reforming and making better would be harder to argue with.
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It’s budget time in the small city (population is around 18,000 and affluent) I work for and this past week, we have been meeting with departments to discuss their proposed budgets.
One of those departments was Police. The new chief, who is Hispanic, was there with the outgoing one (white). They are very aware the atmosphere and optics of the current times. While most of the crime in our small city is burglary and theft (homicide is an extreme rarity), they were both keenly aware that something could happen that could put the department under an intense microscope.
I was talking to the new chief the other day asking how the transition was going. He said he was signing certain required law enforcement documents. He said it was going briskly until he got ones like Use of Force. He said it was then it all sank in and became real. He realized that if something happened, it was his name and signature and he would ultimately be held responsible.
It was interesting to hear and see that inside perspective from those at the top. At least at the city I work for, they seem to appreciate the demands and requirements of the current times.
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I don’t have the words to express how much I loathe Mitch McConnell. While I don’t wish death on anyone, I’ve no qualms saying the world will be a better place once that guy is gone. Sadly, he’s already done too much damage to the country and shows no signs of stopping anytime soon.
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I think McConnell is the most dangerous man in Washington right now, because he is only interested in himself — not his constituents, not his party, and certainly not the country — and he has too much power without a moral compass. We’ve already seen how ruthless and dishonest he can be, but he has the capacity to do much, much worse.
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I think one thing this one does is that it draws attention to how drastic the situation is. Everybody keeps shouting for one thing or another to be reformed, but the sheer radicality of that slogan illustrates just how bad things are.
Yeah this is what I’ve been trying to get at, I just don’t think anything else will work. The demand is inherently alienating to many, no phrasing will change that, but it’s what has to be done so I believe the left should be firm about it. Settling for reforms hasn’t gotten us anywhere and is in itself insidious because the reforms don’t do what they’re supposed to while allowing many people to feel that the matter’s resolved and the police don’t need more scrutiny.
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I had a conversation with my brother about the level of education in the US. I brought up how stupid I believe the majority of the country is and he brought a good point. Around the Reagan era, Schools began to get defunded and how school funding began to rely more and more on property tax. From Wikipedia
With school systems based on property taxes, there are wide disparities in funding between wealthy suburbs or districts, and often poor, inner-city areas or small towns.
Rural areas were not able to keep up with more affluent urban areas so the education fell behind so now we have the divide we do. Also, the better teachers went where the money was. So not only did they have poorer resources, the poor also got poorer quality instruction. You multiply that by a couple of decades and you know have generations of people who have no idea about Critical thinking or how to discover things on their own.
The emphasis on creativity was reversed in the 1980s, as public policy emphasized test scores, school principals were forced to downplay art, drama, music, history and anything that was not being scored on standardized tests
Memorization became more important than creative problem solving and “do as you’re told” become much more stressed than “How do you do this”.
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A lot of the stuff in series 4 of The Wire was based on Ed Burns’ time as a school teacher, especially the standardised testing and how if they don’t get a certain passing grade, they lose essential state funding.
Teachers I know absolutely hate standardized testing. They instructing their students on how to pass a test, not actually teaching them. Once they are past the tests, they may be able to do something more with their students.
And in a logical, sane world, areas with low scores should get more funding to help bring them up. But then, we don’t live in that logical, sane world.
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Exposing that kind of paradox and the flaws of that kind of self-serving numbers-based system (especially in the field of policing and crime) was the real genius of The Wire.
That fourth season that brings in the education system might be my favourite of all though. It was brilliant.
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How about “Redistribute The Police’s Wealth”?
Eat the cops.
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A lot of the stuff in series 4 of The Wire was based on Ed Burns’ time as a school teacher, especially the standardised testing and how if they don’t get a certain passing grade, they lose essential state funding.
Standardized testing was the bane of my middle/high school experience. The Massachusetts standardized test is called the MCAS and for months out of every year it was just MCAS, MCAS, MCAS, MCAS. By the time I got to high school the teachers didn’t even try to hide how much they hated it. I’ve always been pretty good at taking tests–a lot of it is just understanding how the tests themselves work, not necessarily the information you’re being testing on–but so many of my classmates were unnecessarily stressed out and thought they were stupid because they were struggling with these fundamentally useless tests. But since the school mainly served low-income Black students and so funding was a constant risk, teachers had no choice but to waste a third or more of the school year on preparing us for these idiotic tests.
And personally speaking, all that test prep taught me to memorize for the test and then jettison the information, which has made my information retention shit as an adult.
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There’s a lot of ideological shit with schools. Politicians with little knowledge with their own images for how it should work (or in some cases designed not to as they want private money in the system). There was a recent education minister in the UK who wanted to bring back the system his own party phased out in the 1980s for no other seeming reason than nostalgia that the good old days were great – patently not true when my mother spent a decade teaching adult literacy and pretty much all her students were educated in the 1950-1980 period.
If you actually want the best education system Finland have shown how it works and it doesn’t involve lots of testing, it does involve making private education illegal though which is nigh on impossible when in systems like the US and UK the majority of politicians either went to private schools or send their kids there.
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There’s a lot of ideological shit with schools. Politicians with little knowledge with their own images for how it should work (or in some cases designed not to as they want private money in the system). There was a recent education minister in the UK who wanted to bring back the system his own party phased out in the 1980s for no other seeming reason than nostalgia that the good old days were great – patently not true when my mother spent a decade teaching adult literacy and pretty much all her students were educated in the 1950-1980 period.
I have a few teachers in my family and I’ve heard them say that the best education secretary during their tenure was Ken Clarke because he was the only one that didn’t try and shake it all up and put his stamp on it, he just let things continue to run with some kind of consistency.
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Ken Clarke is probably my favourite Tory because I think he genuinely tried to find the best solutions rather than being hamstrung by ideology. He was a big success as chancellor too picking up a mess from Norman Lamont.
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How about “Redistribute The Police’s Wealth”?
Refund the People!
The primary problem is generally outside police power to affect. Not enough mental health services – and hiring trained individuals to really support the need would take far more money than any cut to police budgets would supply or even support. Not enough public defenders – there are even cases where defendants are denied legal representation by judges because municipalities literally can’t afford it. Even if they had no police officers on the payroll, they couldn’t afford it. However, the money provided comes from enforcement from property fines to traffic violations to arrests, rather than taxes, so without the police, they wouldn’t have any budget for anything.
Reform the laws, reduce the amount of offenses that require arrests and reduce the cost in penalties and incarceration and many of these problems would go away. When you have some communities where a single person can expect something 30 traffic tickets every year, there is no way they can economically get ahead. However, that is how many cities afford to operate – exploiting the poorest and most vulnerable through legislative manipulation. Los Angeles can depend on millions every year just from parking enforcement and that is going to hit people living and working in the poorest neighborhoods where they are already dying under debts from payday loans to credit cards just to buy groceries and pay rent.
Free parking, subsidized housing, easy access to abortion and birth control, and reduced penalties for drug and alcohol offenses and you’ll see an immediate improvement in criminal justice and policing incidents. However, as soon as you say something like go easier on drunk drivers, even the people shouting defund the police will turn on you.
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Really who watches all this news?
In the last three months my dad (97 years old) has suddenly become fascinated with MSNBC, the liberal alternative to FOX News in the US. I’ve tried to introduce him to CNN as a more balanced channel, but I think he enjoys the Trump-bashing on MSNBC.
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My question to you Mr. Putin:
What are you so afraid of?
My question to Mr. Putin today: What are you so afraid of? https://t.co/RPge8AonUu
— Rachel Scott (@rachelvscott) June 16, 2021
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Honestly I can’t say Putin is wrong about the US, it’s lost its marbles. But it’s a tactic Russia always uses, deflecting criticism of itself by pointing out problems in the US.
It’s called “whatabout-ism”; and every time someone defends an action by saying “Well, what about (fill in the blank)?”, Kayleigh McEnany collects a royalty check.
what·a·bout·ism
/ˌ(h)wədəˈboudizəm/
nounBRITISH
the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.
“the parliamentary hearing appeared to be an exercise in whataboutism” -
Yeah, whataboutism is basically the entire Conservative playbook these days. Marjorie Taylor Greene says something offensive…well what about that thing Ilhan Omar said that one time? January 6th? Sure but what about BLM protests? Donald Trump is a sexual predator and general terrible person? Uh well what about Bill Clinton or hey have you heard about Hillary’s emails?
It’s almost literally all they do anymore.
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It doesn’t exactly describe the diplomatic use of calling out hypocrisy. In international politics, it becomes difficult for the United States to criticize China’s incarceration policy while at the same time we’re using our prison and arrest system to harass and control our own minority and immigrant populations and increasingly our own Muslim population. Aside from distraction, what it demonstrates is that the accusers are not pursuing the point honestly and instead using it as a political tool. If the United States’ government really cared about the Xinjiang internment camps, for one example, a situation they cannot directly influence or control, then the U.S. would be actively reforming its own prison policy, something they have control over. Since they aren’t doing the latter, it’s hard to believe they really care about the former and are only criticizing it because China is a political rival — while they ignore prison and torture on their own behalf or the abuse toward prisoners in Saudi Arabia or against Palestinians in Israel jails because those are U.S. Allies.
It is very difficult for U.S. diplomacy to be effective often because it was the United States that set the standards so low. Our rivals can almost always point out that they aren’t doing anything that the United States would not do in the same situation or isn’t already doing. Especially when US solutions offered often are only designed to benefit the United States’ political position rather than anything that actually addresses the problem.
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Remember them? The couple who drew guns against peaceful BLM protestors last Summer?
The guy now is running for Senate with this get tough approach slogan, promising to protect the state like he pretended to last year:
Pinky and The Brain https://t.co/LPq5yLDo4Y
— Joy-Ann (Pro-Democracy) Reid 😷 (@JoyAnnReid) June 22, 2021
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like he pretended to
Nice
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Probably could have posted this in the good news thread:
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Probably could have posted this in the good news thread:
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I believe at sub 25k the ratings agencies start to count them as zero.
There was a fuss a few years ago that absolutely nobody at all was watching some content from S4C and BBC Alba that was refuted by quoting that rule.
They though are okay as they are deemed public service broadcasting to various degrees. Try being a commercial broadcaster selling ad space when you are very close to the cutoff where your ratings are registered as zero.
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I’m shocked – shocked that Fox News without the production values is getting shit ratings in a country where Fox News got dropped from digital TV packages because they couldn’t sell ad space.
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Stefan Löfven, the Minister of State (~PM) in Sweden has resigned his position and triggered the process where the speaker of the Riksdag (~parliament) must nominate another party leader to try and form a government.
If the speaker fails four times, we have an extra election.
Here’s to failure!
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Stefan Löfven, the Minister of State (~PM) in Sweden has resigned his position and triggered the process where the speaker of the Riksdag (~parliament) must nominate another party leader to try and form a government.
We have a former President over here that we’d be happy to send over to you as your new Minister. Make Sweden Great Again!!
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I’m shocked – shocked that Fox News without the production values is getting shit ratings in a country where Fox News got dropped from digital TV packages because they couldn’t sell ad space.
To be fair I think a large part of Fox News failing is Brits don’t really want to watch American news all day. I was actually surprised when they put it up on digital that some were scared it would dominate news because it’s a small demographic that wants to watch hour long debates about domestic policies that’ll never affect them.
That’s why CNN and the BBC have international versions.
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Anyone else rolling their eyes at William Barr’s attempt at laundering his reputation after turning the DOJ into Trump’s personal law firm and enemies persecution laboratory? 🙄 If so, post your favorite eye rolls in the replies. pic.twitter.com/q7rG1cESxj
— Joy-Ann (Pro-Democracy) Reid 😷 (@JoyAnnReid) June 28, 2021
Also:
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Former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani facing federal inquiry over possible improper lobbying for Turkey
NEW YORK (WABC) — Former President Trump’s attorney Rudy Giuliani is facing a federal inquiry over possible improper lobbying for Turkey, a source familiar with the matter told ABC News.
The Justice Department’s inquiry, the source said, is separate from the criminal investigation into Giuliani’s activities in Ukraine.
Giuliani’s actions first raised questions in 2017 when he was hired to represent Turkey-based, Iranian-born businessman Reza Zarrab in a money laundering and sanctions evasion case in the Southern District of New York.
Giuliani’s efforts went beyond the courtroom as he personally urged the Trump administration to drop the case.
At the time he also urged the administration to deport exiled cleric Fethullah Gulen, who Turkish President Erdogan accused of inciting a coup.
An attorney for Giuliani could not be reached for comment. but the former mayor has previously denied wrongdoing.
A spokesman for the Justice Department declined to comment as did a spokesman for the US Attorney’s office for the Southern District of New York.
It wasn’t immediately clear when this inquiry, first reported by Bloomberg, began or whether it could expose Giuliani to additional penalties.
Last week, Giuliani was suspended from practicing law in New York.
A committee with The Supreme Court of the State of New York, Appellate Division, First Judicial Department said that Giuliani “communicated demonstrably false and misleading statements to courts, lawmakers and the public at large in his capacity as lawyer for former President Donald J. Trump and the Trump campaign in connection with Trump’s failed effort at reelection in 2020.”
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And in “Lauren Boebert is an idiot” news:
GOP Rep. Lauren Boebert Suggests Ridiculous Way To Tackle Delta COVID-19 Variant
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Official: Haiti President Jovenel Moïse assassinated at home
Maybe I’m mistaken, but actual assassinations of heads of state seem rather rare these days.
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Official: Haiti President Jovenel Moïse assassinated at home
Maybe I’m mistaken, but actual assassinations of heads of state seem rather rare these days.
I was thinking the same thing when I read the news.
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Maybe I’m mistaken, but actual assassinations of heads of state seem rather rare these days.
Usually the assassinations are of challengers and vocal critics of the heads of state.
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Maybe I’m mistaken, but actual assassinations of heads of state seem rather rare these days.
Well, Haiti is pretty much its own special furnace of chaos and misery so the rules just don’t apply there.
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More news on the assassination in Haiti:
Haiti police say they have president’s suspected killers, still hunting masterminds
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This headline feels like the result of a random-word generator:
Bolsonaro may have emergency surgery after hiccups persist for over 10 days
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The perfect visual summary of British politics – Arse Flare Guy:
Apparently this happened more than once that day…
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you have no idea how successful that line is.
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hmmm, so you are saying lots of people are willing to join a revolution to get free pants
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So, hopefully, things will calm down in Haiti.
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hmmm, so you are saying lots of people are willing to join a revolution to get free pants
I know I would strongly consider joining a revolution for free pants.
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hmmm, so you are saying lots of people are willing to join a revolution to get free pants
From each according to their ability to sew trousers, to each according to their need for trousers.
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hmmm, so you are saying lots of people are willing to join a revolution to get free pants
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Opinion: Clarence Thomas Is the new Chief Justice
Like the Supreme Court isn’t enough of a shitshow already…
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Catholic priest who wants to prevent Biden from receiving communion resigns in sex scandal
Every damn time
Last month, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) approved a measure that could prohibit President Biden, a devout Catholic, from receiving communion. Conservative bishops do not wish Biden to receive communion because of his support for abortion rights.
Monsignor Jeffrey Burrill, general secretary of the USCCB, was a strong supporter of the measure, but he has resigned due to allegations of “serial sexual misconduct,” as reported in The PIllar, a Catholic publication. Burrill was allegedly using Grindr for sex hookups, which goes against Catholic priests’ vow of celibacy.
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Every damn time
I guess he forgot the part of the Bible where Jesus says “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”.
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At least he was having consensual sex.
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Priests should be required to commit to being asexual before taking their vows. To clarify, before they take a vow of celibacy, they should be shown pictures and asked if they are attracted to the person in the picture.
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Priests should be required to commit to being asexual before taking their vows. To clarify, before they take a vow of celibacy, they should be shown pictures and asked if they are attracted to the person in the picture.
Pft. Asking doesn’t mean a thing, you can lie about it with or without looking at pictures.
Clearly, what you need is a professional who makes sure by touch if there’s a boner or not. I do see a job opportunity for you there!
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Clearly, what you need is a professional who makes sure by touch if there’s a boner or not. I do see a job opportunity for you there!
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Oh, Nancy, you sweet summer child:
Pelosi confident in bipartisan committee, plans to add more Republicans
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Devin Nunes said on Fox News that Democrats are faking Biden’s speeches with CGI. Nunes is an apparent ass-clown, but the memes on twitter about this have been kinda fun.
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Watching some of this Congressional testimony hearing of officers in the Jan. 6 insurrection.
Man, I have to say that Trump and his populist message really did stir up the racist @$$hole vote these past years. They were always there, but no one ever knew how many there were (except black people for centuries).
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Guys like Piers Morgan and the Fox News network make their name by saying controversial things on politics and culture, and by picking on celebrities and athletes of color like Cardi B, Lebron James, and yesterday they made a remark about Simone Biles bowing out like they did previously with Naomi Osaka. They also laughed at the Congressional hearings yesterday.
So, what else is new? Why get all stirred up by what they have to say. Those trolls won’t change any more than a leopard can change its spots. Best thing to do is ignore them like a troll who posts on social media just to get attention.
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Maybe a decade or so back I read Piers Morgan’s autobiography. I know but I was stuck at an airport in India and they only had a handful of English language books to read. He was less famous then and know more as a newspaper editor than his TV stuff.
I don’t like him or what he does but I found the book fascinating. Basically he just loves conflict. Not just in his job, he reprinted what would now be a Twitter war of him and film director Michael Winner sending letters every day insulting each other, it wasn’t for profit – he just enjoyed it. Winner rips him a new arsehole several times and he reprints it anyway. The entire book is basically about arguing albeit often with humour injected.
I found myself a little jealous of him in a strange way. I know I care too much what other people think of me, even strangers, and he absolutely doesn’t give a shit. There’s a narrative that says he has a go at Meghan Markle because they were once acquaintances and she dumped him when she found a prince. I actually don’t believe that having had some insight into his character, I don’t think he cares a jot if she did or not, he just enjoys upsetting people and has a hide of leather that drives him through it.
Unlike the Fox News crowd he confuses people as he doesn’t have a clear political ideology. On his CNN show he barged in on gun control, he hates political correctness but campaigned against the Iraq war.
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Best thing to do is ignore them like a troll who posts on social media just to get attention.
A better thing to do would be to participate in an organized boycott of FOX NEWS and to contact companies that advertise on that channel, urging them to take their advertising dollars elsewhere or risk losing customers. Of course, many of the advertisers fully embrace the political slant of Tucker Carlson and company, but some of the biggest companies might feel the pressure of a large anti-FOX campaign. Among the largest FOX advertisers:
GlaxoSmithKline, Liberty Mutual, General Motors, Procter & Gamble, Intuit, NortonLifeLock, Nestle, Kraft Heinz, Progressive, Charles Schwab, Toyota, and Subaru.
By the way, this idea is not mine; here is a link to a campaign already underway, if you’re interested:
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This is why I’m much more on board with progressive parties even though I’m more moderate than progressive.
‘Down the drain’: Millions face eviction after Biden lets protections expire – POLITICO
The federal eviction moratorium in place since September is set to expire Saturday, after the Biden administration refused to extend it and Democrats in Congress couldn’t muster the votes to intervene.
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President Joe Biden in a statement Friday called on state and local governments “to take all possible steps to immediately disburse these funds” given the ending of the moratorium.
“There can be no excuse for any state or locality not accelerating funds to landlords and tenants that have been hurt during this pandemic,” he said. “Every state and local government must get these funds out to ensure we prevent every eviction we can.”
Biden also suggested that they institute their own bans: “State and local governments should also be aware that there is no legal barrier to moratorium at the state and local level.”
Housing advocates are warning of awful images and hardships for many Americans who have suffered the most from Covid-19.
And in other “Democratic Party leaders are determined to screw over the people that voted them into office in favor of the people that paid for their campaigns” news:
Pelosi rebuffs Schumer’s push to get Biden to cancel student debt – POLITICO
“Suppose … your child just decided they, at this time, [do] not want to go to college, but you’re paying taxes to forgive somebody else’s obligations,” Pelosi said during a news conference. “You may not be happy about that.”
I do wonder if she thought that up on the fly or if her idiot team thought it up.
Listen, in the United States, I don’t have any kids and a lot of people, increasingly, are getting smarter and not having any kids — or maybe just lucky, a lot of smart people have kids
— but I am fine with paying taxes so that other people’s kids can go to elementary and high schools. Why would any of us suddenly balk at the idea of paying taxes so they can go to college as well? Essentially, what Democratic voters want is not student loans or affordable health insurance or eviction protection. What we want are higher education grants and national health care for all and subsidized and affordable housing policies enforced by Federal law. We settle for student loan debt forgiveness and Obamacare and eviction protection because we are realistic in the political necessities.
However, when a major leader in the Party says something as boneheaded as this or the President we voted into office says essentially “I’m not going to do anything about millions of people going homeless, but the states can do something if they want,” it just makes it clear that the people elected to office and the people who elected them are not on the same page or even reading the same damn book.
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Newly released notes show Trump pressured DOJ to declare election was ‘corrupt’
Yeah, Trump is still a baby.
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Yeah, Trump is still a baby.
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Newly released notes show Trump pressured DOJ to declare election was ‘corrupt’ Yeah, Trump is still a baby.
I can’t be sure if Trump really believes it or it just using Judo on the Democratic party. It was unwise to push through the idea that Russia manipulated the election for Trump because, unintended consequences, that suggests that a national presidential election can be illegally manipulated. So, naturally, going forward, when your side wins elections, then the opposition will make the claim it was fraudulent because you opened that door.
Obviously, it is wishful thinking both ways – Trump was elected because he is popular among a massive number of politically motivated Americans – not because Russian hackers released a bunch of emails making his opposition look bad. Trump lost because he also became very unpopular among a massive number of politically motivated Americans. Not because of a vast, extensive conspiracy of election fraud on an impossible scale.
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Newly released notes show Trump pressured DOJ to declare election was ‘corrupt’ Yeah, Trump is still a baby.
I can’t be sure if Trump really believes it or it just using Judo on the Democratic party. It was unwise to push through the idea that Russia manipulated the election for Trump because, unintended consequences, that suggests that a national presidential election can be illegally manipulated. So, naturally, going forward, when your side wins elections, then the opposition will make the claim it was fraudulent because you opened that door.
Obviously, it is wishful thinking both ways – Trump was elected because he is popular among a massive number of politically motivated Americans – not because Russian hackers released a bunch of emails making his opposition look bad. Trump lost because he also became very unpopular among a massive number of politically motivated Americans. Not because of a vast, extensive conspiracy of election fraud on an impossible scale.
But isn’t that just more whataboutism? The claim was never really that Trump didn’t win the election. He did win. It’s that Russia used social media to help spread disinformation because they wanted Trump to win. And the Trump campaign may have colluded with Russia. And the evidence says it all did happen. The idea that we shouldn’t investigate it and talk about it because it allows conservatives to turn around and make up bullshit doesn’t really fly with me. One is largely verified. The other is a complete lie.
And let’s not forget that Trump was claiming election fraud even before the 2016 election. He accused Ted Cruz of cheating in the primaries and repeatedly said he could only lose if the Dems cheated in the build up to 2016. Then he launched a sham fraud investigation AFTER he won in 2016 because he couldn’t handle losing the popular vote. He was going to use this excuse no matter what and his base ate it up from day 1.
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