Time for a new politics thread. Guessing it’ll be fairly quiet given the calm and measured state of world politics today.
Politics: dead cats and red hats
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The migration of the Trump cult away from Fox is fascinating, especially coming from people who often yell about purity politics on the left.
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It’s also a test-bed for Trump TV when it launches. “Let’s see how crazy we can get. Oh damn… REAL fucking crazy!”
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“Where can I get some DAM bait?”
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This is a good primer on Newsmax from two weeks ago for those unfamiliar:
https://www.vox.com/culture/21558899/newsmax-network-fox-news-trump-biden
The network’s lineup of pundits is mostly made up of minor conservative talk radio hosts. Carr, for instance, hosts a right-wing radio show in the Boston area, and his one-hour Newsmax show is a sort of distilled version of that.
Aesthetically, The Howie Carr Show may speak to Newsmax’s biggest challenge in catching up to Fox News, which is that it’s ugly as hell. Carr sits in front of an American flag background, staring not at the camera in front of him but just off to its side, while Curley says things to him off-camera and he reacts. It’s one of the weirdest things I’ve ever seen on TV, only a couple of steps above public-access television but with just high enough production values to make you wonder why it’s not better than it is.
Outside of Carr and a handful of other talk radio figures, Newsmax has a handful of hosts who are known to folks outside the conservative media bubble. Former Trump press secretary Sean Spicer has a show. Game Change co-author Mark Halperin, who lost his jobs at NBC News, MSNBC, and Showtime in 2017 after multiple allegations of sexual harassment, has occasionally dropped by Newsmax to offer his take on how Trump can still win. Halperin also hosts a series where he holds video-conferencing “focus groups.” Footage from that show is excerpted in Newsmax’s other programming to feature the group’s most pro-Trump participants, seemingly with the goal of letting the network’s Trump-friendly viewership feel like there are more people like them out there.
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‘Free Speech’ Social Network Parler Allegedly Censoring #WriteInTrumpforGA (msn.com)
Wouldn’t Trump have to be a resident of GA?
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‘Free Speech’ Social Network Parler Allegedly Censoring #WriteInTrumpforGA (msn.com)
Wouldn’t Trump have to be a resident of GA?
Remember Johnny, we’re not exactly dealing with the sharpest tools in the shed here…
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If anyone needs a checkup on what Parler is, Internet Comment Etiquette left us this gem last week:
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Trump undeniably got more votes than before, the question Christian really should have asked is if he got more supporters.
I feel like I did ask that question a few posts up ;)
Both sides were really amped up to get the vote out and for a change succeeded. I remember listening to some analysis before the election on who Biden had to bring to his side and the general answer was mainly ‘nobody’, Clinton primarily lost in 2016 because a large number of Democrat voters didn’t turn up. They analysed one of the rust belt states that Clinton lost (sorry I forget which one now as it was on a podcast) and Trump’s gains over Romney were very modest, only about 7000 votes, Clinton’s loss compared to Obama was massive – over 100,000. So the deciding factor was mainly no-shows than a significant move to Trump’s agenda.
That sounds about right.
Not that Lorcan doesn’t have a point in that quite possibly, some parts of the potential Republican voters may have been happier with Trump than they were the first time around. I think he did manage to please some very specific interest groups, like the Christian Right. In 2016, Trump got Pence as VP specifically to get them onboard, but in the intervening time he’s shown them that he himself is totally their guy to the extent that it really doesn’t matter one bit how much of a crook he is or how many women he abused.
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the Christian Right. In 2016, Trump got Pence as VP specifically to get them onboard, but in the intervening time he’s shown them that he himself is totally their guy to the extent that it really doesn’t matter one bit how much of a crook he is or how many women he abused.
The Christian Right doesn’t care about the morality of the people they support so long as the message is sufficiently fire and brimstone and they can dangle the carrot of banning abortion.
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Back in May, Trump withdrew from the “Open Skies” treaty that allowed other countries to fly over each others’ airspace with sensor equipment that would determine whether a particular country was preparing for military action; by withdrawing, he basically allows Vladimir Putin to do whatever the fuck he wants to without the US being aware of it. Now, in the final days of his presidency, he has ordered the destruction of equipment that would enable Biden to immediately reinstate our participation in that. There is no reason why the purposeful destruction of that equipment would benefit the US, and plenty of reasons why it potentially harms us.
So, yeah, Trump is DEFINITELY the worst US President of all time. Past, present, and future.
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and future.
Careful, the US is “hold my beer” territory.
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and future.
Careful, the US is “hold my beer” territory.
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and future.
Careful, the US is “hold my beer” territory.
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The Christian Right doesn’t care about the morality of the people they support so long as the message is sufficiently fire and brimstone and they can dangle the carrot of banning abortion.
Abortion is something of a Trojan Horse in that really, they want a somewhat theocratic influence on government and culture essentially aimed at getting the government to subsidize and promote Christian churches and beliefs directly. Many churches are desperate pyramid schemes that depend upon more and more sources of revenue despite larger numbers leaving churches every generation.
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and future.
Careful, the US is “hold my beer” territory.
Sidenote, I was completely unfamiliar with that Bud campaign slogan until a few days ago when Rob Liefeld mentioned it in his podcast on the Deathmate crossover – the initial Youngblood/Bloodshot promo image had the slogan “This blood’s for you!”. I always thought that was a dumb slogan – and it is, unless you know it’s a riff on the beer ad.
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The Christian Right doesn’t care about the morality of the people they support so long as the message is sufficiently fire and brimstone and they can dangle the carrot of banning abortion.
Abortion is something of a Trojan Horse in that really, they want a somewhat theocratic influence on government and culture essentially aimed at getting the government to subsidize and promote Christian churches and beliefs directly. Many churches are desperate pyramid schemes that depend upon more and more sources of revenue despite larger numbers leaving churches every generation.
Oh yeah, they don’t actually want to ban abortion because then they don’t have a rallying cry. TRAP laws can make it effectively illegal while not violating Roe Vs Wade, so they can always strive towards repealing it like some sort of eternal war
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Back in May, Trump withdrew from the “Open Skies” treaty that allowed other countries to fly over each others’ airspace with sensor equipment that would determine whether a particular country was preparing for military action; by withdrawing, he basically allows Vladimir Putin to do whatever the fuck he wants to without the US being aware of it. Now, in the final days of his presidency, he has ordered the destruction of equipment that would enable Biden to immediately reinstate our participation in that. There is no reason why the purposeful destruction of that equipment would benefit the US, and plenty of reasons why it potentially harms us.
So, yeah, Trump is DEFINITELY the worst US President of all time. Past, present, and future.
Interesting! Is this just a hawkish move or is there something behind it I’m not aware of? Is it a military-industrial complex money thing?
And nah, I think Bush Jr. is still way ahead, what with plunging the US and a good chunk of the world into two meaningless forever wars and destabilising the Middle East and proliferating jihadist terror campaigns all over the world. That one is kind of hard to beat.
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Interesting! Is this just a hawkish move or is there something behind it I’m not aware of? Is it a military-industrial complex money thing?
It’s a petulant child thing. Like how he’s trying to fast-track as many Federal executions as possible and legislate for firing squads to be a legal form of execution right now.
I wish I was kidding:
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Many churches are desperate pyramid schemes that depend upon more and more sources of revenue despite larger numbers leaving churches every generation.
Are you confusing them with comic publishers?
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Two things can be it.
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Here’s something I’ve just heard and have no idea if it’s true or not.
Apparently, a Presidential pardon can include pardon for crimes you haven’t been accused of yet.
For example, Gerald Ford, on taking office, immediately pardoned Nixon, who hadn’t been charged at the time.
So: all Trump needs to do is resign a few minutes before noon on 20th January, allowing President Pence to pardon Trump not only for any crimes known of at that time, but also any any crimes that may be discovered in the future.
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Here’s something I’ve just heard and have no idea if it’s true or not.
Apparently, a Presidential pardon can include pardon for crimes you haven’t been accused of yet.
For example, Gerald Ford, on taking office, immediately pardoned Nixon, who hadn’t been charged at the time.
So: all Trump needs to do is resign a few minutes before noon on 20th January, allowing President Pence to pardon Trump not only for any crimes known of at that time, but also any any crimes that may be discovered in the future.
That would require Trump to relinquish power even a little bit before he has to. Which may be unnecessary given he thinks he has the power to pardon himself. But still, a Presidential pardon is only for federal crimes. It won’t help him from New York state’s investigations.
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I think the difference between Dubya and Trump is that with Dubya, no matter what awful things he did, there was a presidential veneer which felt reassuring. You thought, well he’s conservative and he’s a war-monger, but at least he is bound by some conventions. He’s like other Republicans. With Trump that presidential veneer is gone, so you never know how crazy he is going to get.
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I think the difference between Dubya and Trump is that with Dubya, no matter what awful things he did, there was a presidential veneer which felt reassuring. You thought, well he’s conservative and he’s a war-monger, but at least he is bound by some conventions. He’s like other Republicans. With Trump that presidential veneer is gone, so you never know how crazy he is going to get.
Maybe. I think a lot of it is that Trump came in with really little control of the media that traditional politicians have cultivated for decades through their party and corporate media connections. George W Bush simply looks better than Trump – as did Reagan and papa Bush – though they honestly are to blame for most of the intense problems we’re facing. If anything, Trump is exactly the expected conclusion of their policies that have been working to destroy governmental effectiveness and authority. Even Clinton and Obama were light on expanding the authority of government as a mediating force between the increasingly economically powerful minority against the vulnerable common majority.
The media is complicit in this as well. Just last year, news sources from NBC to the BBC to Wired Magazine reported on Defcon’s Voting Village showing hackers demonstrating how they could hack voting machines. Now, that’s coming back as the same sources try to report how secure the election was. The level of trust people have in media has been corroded for good reason, and Trump won’t ever admit he lost this election or that it was fair because by the next election, people will still believe all these debunked claims just like people widely still believe the debunked 9-11 conspiracies.
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But still, a Presidential pardon is only for federal crimes. It won’t help him from New York state’s investigations.
Yeah, and it’s not likely that State Attorney General Letitia James nor Manhattan County District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. will give Trump a pass.
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I think the difference between Dubya and Trump is that with Dubya, no matter what awful things he did, there was a presidential veneer which felt reassuring. You thought, well he’s conservative and he’s a war-monger, but at least he is bound by some conventions. He’s like other Republicans. With Trump that presidential veneer is gone, so you never know how crazy he is going to get.
All true, but I would maintain that that is exactly why Bush Jr. was a worse president. He was a hand puppet (as Steven Grant affectionately called him) for the neo-con powermongers in the Republican party and he allowed them and their vision for a new American world order to take over. Their two imperialist invasions was the most devastating event for the world in the last decades, and nothing Trump did comes close in any way.
Meaning you don’t have to be a crook, liar, snake-oil salesman, rapist, petulant child narcissist idiot to be the worst president ever. Sometimes, it’s worse to just be a politician and lead the country into the worst of all possible directions because it is your honest belief that that is where it should go. (Really talking about Dick Cheney here, I don’t think Bush had any beliefs.)
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Ha haaaaaa, fuck you
Buncha boomers needing help to program their VCR making asses of themselves.
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Sometimes, it’s worse to just be a politician and lead the country into the worst of all possible directions because it is your honest belief that that is where it should go. (Really talking about Dick Cheney here, I don’t think Bush had any beliefs.)
True enough and the kleptocracy was there, just less obvious. Cheney and Rumsfeld announced a massive outsourcing of military functions, we know how huge the US military bill is, and handed those contracts without tender to companies they owned or had significant shares in. They used distraction and delaying techniques to ensure that was in place before they divested their shares and it went mostly unreported.
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Of course, most national politicians, especially Senators, all share the same sort of political outlook irrespective of their parties and are funded by the same people, so policies will reflect that. Even politicians who do come from the working and middle class will most likely lead based on their experiences without realizing their examples are exceptions rather than common.
This is often repeated as if it is something people should model their lives after. For example, Obama and more recently Kamala Harris are shown as examples for people of color and young women of color to follow, but implicit in that propaganda is a degradation of the real experience of most working class and poor people who will never be able to enter the investor class like Obama or Harris. It’s similar to the way we hold up sports stars as if that path is in any way realistic for all the other young men and women from the same communities.
Very few people will even reach those “glass ceilings” and it is the experience and needs of people on the hard concrete floor (or those sinking into the soft cement) that requires the most governmental attention and protection from economic disparity and predation. In the UK, I suppose Margaret Thatcher is the best example of a person who willfully ignored the exceptional nature of her own experience and used it to basically dismantle protections for the vulnerable and poor.
Naturally, when these people get into power – often with a mandate like “drain the swamp” – they inevitably end up muddying things even more. Here in the U.S., drain the swamp is a meaningless term. It could mean eliminate corruption, but for most people it means eliminate red tape. Often, when it comes to supporting rich corporations and banks, they would have to work harder to not to get that government money while poor workers, students or individual home owners have to go through pages of byzantine and often contradictory forms to take advantage of programs that were specifically designed to help them but end up disqualifying most applicants for technical errors.
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All true, but I would maintain that that is exactly why Bush Jr. was a worse president. He was a hand puppet (as Steven Grant affectionately called him) for the neo-con powermongers in the Republican party and he allowed them and their vision for a new American world order to take over. Their two imperialist invasions was the most devastating event for the world in the last decades, and nothing Trump did comes close in any way.
Well I agree, but I can understand why some Americans think Trump is worse, it must be terrifying to have a president who is so unpredictable. But you are right, the damage he has done in his presidency so far is less than what Dubya did (on the foreign policy front, I can’t judge what he did in internal politics.)
However if Trump starts a war with Iran in his final days he could end up worse than Dubya.
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However if Trump starts a war with Iran in his final days he could end up worse than Dubya.
Jinx!
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However if Trump starts a war with Iran in his final days he could end up worse than Dubya.
Yeah, true. And I do think he’s a worse person, for what it’s worth. But then again, it’d be tough to find a worse person than Trump. Without resorting to looking at Ted-Bundy-class serial killers at least.
Obama and more recently Kamala Harris are shown as examples for people of color and young women of color to follow, but implicit in that propaganda is a degradation of the real experience of most working class and poor people who will never be able to enter the investor class like Obama or Harris. It’s similar to the way we hold up sports stars as if that path is in any way realistic for all the other young men and women from the same communities.
I was quite astonished at the extent of reverence and hysterical grief at Maradonna’s death yesterday. I can only explain it because this is what he represented to a pretty much everybody in Argentina in a certain generation – the dream of becoming something different, a way out.
To be fair, I would hold Obama up as an example that it’s possible to enter the academics class and to become a professor of law, but yeah, he’s apparently worth 40 million bucks. I honestly find that kind of depressing; it’d make me happier to see a president living in moderate circumstances after they leave office. But the most recent one whose net worth is under a million (according to a wiki list) is Harry S. Truman.
Upon leaving the presidency, Truman returned to Independence, Missouri, to live at the Wallace home he and Bess had shared for years with her mother.[259] He taught occasional courses at universities, including Yale, where he was a Chubb Fellow visiting lecturer in 1958.[260] In 1962, Truman was a visiting lecturer at Canisius College.[261] As a former president, Truman decided that he did not wish to be on any corporate payroll, believing that taking advantage of such financial opportunities would diminish the integrity of the nation’s highest office. He also turned down numerous offers for commercial endorsements. Since his earlier business ventures had proved unsuccessful, he had no personal savings.
As a result, he faced financial challenges. Once Truman left the White House, his only income was his old army pension: $112.56 per month (equivalent to $1,076 in 2019).[262] Former members of Congress and the federal courts received a federal retirement package; President Truman himself ensured that former servants of the executive branch of government received similar support. In 1953, however, there was no such benefit package for former presidents, and he received no pension for his Senate service.[263]
We could use some of that, these days.
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To be fair, I would hold Obama up as an example that it’s possible to enter the academics class and to become a professor of law, but yeah, he’s apparently worth 40 million bucks.
It’s a bit chicken and egg. His fortune is primarily from selling books and speaking after reaching success in politics. If you are an ex leader of a major country money does flow in that way and the only way not to be rich is basically do nothing and turn down every offer.
It does really mean that you’ll never have someone of little means in a leadership role, even your average representative will have a basic salary 3 or 4 times the national average, but I think the most important element is they can get there.
There are a lot of barriers preventing that though, the likes of AOC are very much in a minority compared to white men from wealthy families. In the UK there are a MPs from humble working class backgrounds but the number privately educated in elite schools outnumbers them, especially the higher you get.
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Even when opportunities unfairly disadvantage people of color, that still doesn’t mean it is actually any easier for even white people to achieve anything because those opportunities are primarily a mirage. It’s like celebrating that the local casino has been desegregated and now allows in Jews. Mexicans and African Americans. Pointing to the one black man who hits a jackpot completely distracts from the vast majority of everyone else of all kinds in the casino that gets wiped out by the games.
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I can understand why we one people might consider GWB to be worse, especially from a foreign policy/impact perspective. But Trump has done real damage to the institutions that hold America together. His constant calls of fraud, his refusal to conceded, his calls to prosecute and imprison political rivals, the way he’s emboldened white supremacists, the way he politized a global health crisis that’s lead to hundreds of thousands of dead Americans, the way he’s denigrated foreign allies and played buddy-buddy with actual dictators, the way he’s lied and lied and lied, the way he’s attempted to make the media an enemy while propping up pure propaganda and conspiracy nonsense, the way his campaign seems to have leveraged Russia to help them in elections, the way he tried to strong arm Ukraine into getting dirt on Biden, the way he’s accused Obama of spying on him (after years of accusing Obama of not being a US citizen), the way he’s funneled tax payer money to his businesses, the way he’s refused to release his taxes, the way pompeo has acted as Secretary of State, Barr, Devos, Jared, Ivanka, Miller, and the way McConnell was able the use him to fill hundreds of judicial openings mean that Trump’s impact will last for generations.
Having lived through both administrations, the country feels more on the brink of collapse than ever before. GWB was not a good president, but the Trump presidency has been chaotic, decisive, and utterly exhausting since day 1.
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I don’t think you would have had Trump without Bush, if that makes sense? And especially without Reagan. The erosion of American institutions that lead to the current social and political landscape has been going on for 40-odd years, between the siphoning of money out of public schools leading to lower education standards, the dismantling of a lot of traditional American jobs with nothing to replace them, the drive for more and more profit at the expense of accuracy and accountability in news media… it’s a generational issue.
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I don’t think you would have had Trump without Bush, if that makes sense? And especially without Reagan.
Quite a few people feel that Trump’s presidency and policies were the inevitable result of Ronald Reagan winning in 1980. In many ways his ultra-conservative presidency represented a 180-degree change from the liberal Carter administration, and began the pendulum-swing from one to the next of future administrations, culminating in the Extreme Makeover from the heights of the Obama years to the lows of the last four years.
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I can understand why we one people might consider GWB to be worse, especially from a foreign policy/impact perspective
Yup and you’ll notice the ones thinking that way are outside the US. There’s a pretty clear line between the excursions into Iraq, the creation of the likes of ISIS and the refugee crisis in Europe of a couple of years back. You could add in the sub-prime mess that rippled across the world (although culpability for that also goes back to Clinton). The economic woes from Covid-19 have been exacerbated by Trump’s shitty handling of it but even the harshest of us can’t really call it his fault.
The fear is with the erosion of the institutions of the USA imagine if the next Trump isn’t isolationist? His or hers love of autocrats means poking into Iran or Ukraine in support of Saudi Arabia and Russia. It’s a recipe for WW3.
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the way he’s emboldened white supremacists
This stands out to me.
I get the fact that when you sit in the big chair and have to make the hard decisions (I actually cannot finish that sentence as I am not defending him in any way, it’s just a different argument).
But when any layperson can see him for what he is easily through his own comments (“on both sides” sticks out) and not even trying to backtrack is just disgusting.
(and I guess I am calling out anyone that can’t see it. Seriously, don’t defend that)I have a hard time just believing that horrible way of thinking has risen up the way it has, but then one of the most powerful voices of the time doesn’t denounce them only empowered them. Absolutely sick.
Also a shame that that someone can easily say “that’s not the worst thing he has done.”
Something is wrong with the world when that many people voted for him, and I do want him to quietly go away and isolate far away (the U.S. needs to heal).
But if the cuffs go on when he’s out the door, then I hope it’s the same prison as Epstein. -
Trump is furious that people might give Joe Biden credit for the Coronavirus vaccine.
The fact that THIS is Trump’s biggest concern — not the virus itself, not the record numbers of infections, hospitalizations, and deaths, not the fact that many of those high numbers are due to HIS intentional misleading and misinformation throughout the pandemic crisis — is proof enough to me that Donald Trump is the absolute worst president in American history. No doubt whatsoever; not even close.
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The fact that THIS is Trump’s biggest concern — not the virus itself, not the record numbers of infections, hospitalizations, and deaths, not the fact that many of those high numbers are due to HIS intentional misleading and misinformation throughout the pandemic crisis — is proof enough to me that Donald Trump is the absolute worst
presidentperson in American history. No doubt whatsoever; not even close.I felt this is more accurate.
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Trump is furious that people might give Joe Biden credit for the Coronavirus vaccine.
The fact that THIS is Trump’s biggest concern — not the virus itself, not the record numbers of infections, hospitalizations, and deaths, not the fact that many of those high numbers are due to HIS intentional misleading and misinformation throughout the pandemic crisis — is proof enough to me that Donald Trump is the absolute worst president in American history. No doubt whatsoever; not even close.
To expand why Trump is the worst, two numbers (as of this post):
In the US, a total of 13,465,126 have been confirmed cases and 271,091 confirmed dead. One of those dead is Christel’s grandmother.
Trump cannot die fast enough for me.
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271,091 confirmed dead
Almost one hundred nine-elevens.
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271,091 confirmed dead
Almost one hundred nine-elevens.
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Trump is trying to get state legislatures to ignore the vote and appoint Republican electors. I don’t think he stands a chance since most won’t go along with this, but it’s concerning that even some are willing to do this. That’s basically throwing democracy in the trash.
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271,091 confirmed dead
Almost one hundred nine-elevens.
Yeah, but it’s Americans killing Americans and nothing is more American so it’s OK.
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We’re talking of a country that has, practically, daily mass shootings, so frequent they no longer make the news and now loads are refusing to wear masks so upping the spread of a highly contagious virus and millions are OK with that.
So, yeah, it’s a bad taste one-liner but not unwarranted.
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I am not disagreeing with you in the slightest.
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Thanks, couldn’t quite work out the angle of your previous post. If it’s US foreign policy, then yeah, that’s a whole other can of worms.
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I was just taking the piss, saying killing non-americans (on foreign soil) is also one of the national sports.
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As far as the UK, if anyone here was around when Thatcher was finally forced out, can you think of any policy from her government that ended with her? You even still have the council tax – even higher now, isn’t it? – and the division from the EU is obviously greater.
Honestly, when or if Trump leaves, I can’t really see a significant change in the direction or political momentum of the country. It’s not progressive for sure. When times are tough, fear is prevalent and that always favors the conservative and nationalist tendencies.
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when or if Trump leaves
Fistbump! Wait, what am I celebrating here?
Besides, no matter how governmentally savvy The Bidet is he’s an old centrist fart. Expect progress? Get real.
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Joe Bidet – flush by name, flush by nature.
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As far as the UK, if anyone here was around when Thatcher was finally forced out, can you think of any policy from her government that ended with her? You even still have the council tax – even higher now, isn’t it? – and the division from the EU is obviously greater.
Her agenda was pretty much kept on by Major. A lot of privatisation happened after she left but had started the ball rolling.
The poll tax did go though as a concept. The idea was to move from ‘the rates’ which was a semi-progressive tax based on property values to a flat tax whatever your means. We know how much neo-liberals love a flat tax.
The council tax returned to it being based on property values. I don’t think anyone expected local taxes to disappear the argument was with people working as a cleaner in a 1 bed flat paying the same as a lord in stately home.
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Her agenda was pretty much kept on by Major.
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when Thatcher was finally forced out, can you think of any policy from her government that ended with her?
Well, this isn’t really a government policy any more.
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A government spokesperson said: “We have announced a £400m package of support for this winter and beyond, including £170m to help families stay warm and well fed”
That’s £8.50 per family.
Yay?
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You’re supposed to be grateful, not engaged in analytic mathematics.
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That’s £8.50 per family.
A government spokesperson said: “We have announced a £400m package of support for this winter and beyond, including £170m to help families stay warm and well fed”
That’s £8.50 per family.
Show your working.
Don’t worry. It’s only for the bankers’ families.
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Too close to reality really. The UK government announced yesterday that ‘high-value” business travellers didn’t need to quarantine after travelling overseas.
This virus is astonishing really, it knows not to infect people before 10pm in pubs and not to infect anyone who’s business portfolio is above a certain size.
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For instance truck drivers.
Yes, they don’t mean truck drivers though. They mean bankers and other such rich arseholes, flying in and out of countries willy-nilly. This came up a couple of months ago and their justification for excusing them was that “they weren’t in any one place long enough to be infected or infect anyone else” IIRC correctly, which is nonsense and completely contrary to given them an exemption.
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They mean bankers and other such rich arseholes,
On that note, a number of Wall Street investment houses are lobbying to get their employees tagged as essential workers and vaccinated after healthcare professionals and at-risk portions of the population in the US.
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They mean bankers and other such rich arseholes,
On that note, a number of Wall Street investment houses are lobbying to get their employees tagged as essential workers and vaccinated after healthcare professionals and at-risk portions of the population in the US.
A coworker and I were talking that since we are municipal government employees, we are considered essential and should get the vaccine sooner. We have had to work through the pandemic.
Granted, we work in the Finance department…
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That seems horrific but I was wondering about this, how the quarantine and travelling restrictions work for some professions. For instance truck drivers. Some countries are very closed off but I assume they still get transport deliveries from other countries. You can’t be absolutely rigorous with this.
Logistics workers, including truck drivers, have been exempt from day one and classified as key/frontline workers. It’s a key part of how we were able to switch to a delivery model for shopping and food. Western countries don’t supply all their own food for example, if you want a banana, mango or a pineapple in northern Europe it’s imported from another continent.
A business meeting in Brussels or wherever isn’t in my opinion a key role we rely on , do it on Zoom.
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Texas asks U.S. Supreme Court to help Trump upend election
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Texas asks U.S. Supreme Court to help Trump upend election
@Todd ?Paxton has already been under investigation.
Also, he’s a fucking moron.
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When Trump first was elected I was sure the GOP would use him to push through some judges and tax cuts but then dump him the second the opportunity presented itself. Instead they just embraced the cult because they’re afraid they can’t win elections without him. It’s beyond pathetic. The Texas lawsuit is just absurd. There’s basically zero paths forward towards bipartisanship again. And what’s worse? Even if the Dems manage to somehow win both GA Senate seats, the Dems will be dumb enough to try to work with the GOP and thus won’t get shit done.
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How many lawsuits have they started now? This is just pathetic.
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How many lawsuits have they started now? This is just pathetic.
They’re keeping the grift going for as long as possible. So far they’ve netted about $200 million from
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I just read the supreme court refuses to hear the other Pennsylvania case that claimed mail in voting was unconstitutional. There was not a single dissenter.
Also Jenna Ellis, another of Trump’s lawyers, now also has covid. It looks like this phase of uncertainty could be coming to an end. I have to confess I think it is scary that they would go to these lengths to try to overturn a democratic election.
On the other hand, it is good to see the supreme court, even though a majority of them are conservative, refuses to play along with this charade.
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How many lawsuits have they started now? This is just pathetic.
Around 50 have been decided at this point – only 1 was won by the Trump campaign and it just meant some votes that hadn’t been counted remained that way. Of course, it’s been offset by a recount they requested that actually found around 5,000 untallied votes for Biden.
How many lawsuits have they started now? This is just pathetic.
They’re keeping the grift going for as long as possible. So far they’ve netted about $200 million from
gullible idiotsTrump supporters who’ve donated.And IIRC “only” 8 million of that has been spent on actually fighting the lawsuits. There are secondary objectives though – further radicalising Republican supporters as being opposed to Democrats, and casting doubt on the legitimacy of American democratic institutions
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And IIRC “only” 8 million of that has been spent on actually fighting the lawsuits. There are secondary objectives though – further radicalising Republican supporters as being opposed to Democrats, and casting doubt on the legitimacy of American democratic institutions
Also, their strategy of throwing tons of shit at the wall just needs one thing to stick in order to potentially delay the transition. Which makes them sound smart, which obviously they’re not, but they may eventually get lucky.
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Also, their strategy of throwing tons of shit at the wall just needs one thing to stick in order to potentially delay the transition.
If this was happening in South America or Africa, the news outlets would be referring to him as a crazed dictator who is staging a coup rather than accept the will of the people. Which is EXACTLY WHAT TRUMP IS!!
Two weeks after martial law is declared, Biden has been locked up in a Federal facility, and Trump has declared himself President For Life, we’re all going to be sitting around wondering how this happened. Pay attention.
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