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I am slightly more reassured.
Don’t worry. It’ll pass.
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This is sad but not surprising. This is what Trump has encouraged. I will be so happy when that mother fucker is dead.
But not before January 20, right?
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It’s fucking disgraceful. Everyone who enabled this should be kicked out of office. They won’t be, of course, there will be zero consequences. What’s also disgusting is how police reacted to BLM protestors vs this shit. It’s a predictable yet shameful day for America.
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As bad as this looks, these guys are just idiots and they will be removed from the building. The real problem is the crooks who remain inside the building when the rioters have gone.
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As bad as this looks, these guys are just idiots and they will be removed from the building. The real problem is the crooks who remain inside the building when the rioters have gone.
If they were BLM supporters the streets of Washington would’ve been littered with bodies right now.
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Biden’s speechwriters desperately trying to remember what Bill Pullman said in ID4.
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Biden’s speechwriters desperately trying to remember what Bill Pullman said in ID4.
They should’ve just deepfaked that scene.
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Everybody saw this coming a mile away. Why the hell wasn’t the Capitol more secure on such an important day in the election process, coinciding with a a big Trump protest?
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Agreed. They wanted to prevent bloodshed which could further inflame the situation. I am not sure if the breach could have been prevented without resorting to such a scenario
You changed your tune pretty quickly. A few minutes ago they were “just idiots.”
The police went easy on them because they’re a bunch of fascist assholes too. They didn’t even have to force their way in, there’s footage of the police just opening up the barriers for them.
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The cops calmly moving aside the barriers (on the streets) for the “protestors” that weren’t even trying to breach them and taking selfies with the ones in the capitol building certainly haven’t helped anything, desire to avoid violence or not.
And this is America, when did cops suddenly get so concerned about avoiding violence?
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I’m sick. this is so embarrassing
Why the hell wasn’t the Capitol more secure
— Rebecca Traister (@rtraister) January 6, 2021
Many of the security forces in DC have been corrupted to think their duty is to follow Trump rather than to protect and serve their location and the people who work inside that location.
Why do you think they had to reassemble Biden’s old Secret Service group from when he was VP.calling for people to leave in peace.
I don’t think that what he meant. I believe he meant “go home before they catch you and put you in jail. I need you to be free for the next time I need a riot.”
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The police didn’t have to go easy on them – they have riot gear, tear gas, they have goddamned tanks! They could have dispersed this mob in 5 minutes flat if they’d wanted to. Just like they did at countless peaceful protests across the US last year.
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The cops calmly moving aside the barriers (on the streets) for the “protestors” that weren’t even trying to breach them and taking selfies with the ones in the capitol building certainly haven’t helped anything, desire to avoid violence or not.
And this is America, when did cops suddenly get so concerned about avoiding violence?
Remember, black people weren’t involved in this.
And those cops that moved the barriers should be punished for that level of stupidity. But then, Rick Sanchez called it:
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CNN is now saying congress wants to return to their work tonight, I hope this happens, it would send a strong message rioting will not stop the democratic process.
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If events like these do anything, one of those is triggering a very strong “fuck you” response.
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The woman that got shot in the chest died.
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The woman that got shot in the chest died.
It seemed like the media was underemphasizing that in the reports with “only one person was shot” type of statements. I think most people listening to the reports aren’t thinking “well, I’m glad only one person got shot.” For me, it is more like “Holy shit! Someone got shot?!”
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And this is America, when did cops suddenly get so concerned about avoiding violence?
When the protesters weren’t black.
EDIT: which is the same thing Todd said about 10 posts above this one.
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If events like these do anything, one of those is triggering a very strong “fuck you” response.
Literally:
https://news.avclub.com/house-democrat-speaks-for-america-fuck-these-assholes-1846003707
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The woman that got shot in the chest died.
It seemed like the media was underemphasizing that in the reports with “only one person was shot” type of statements. I think most people listening to the reports aren’t thinking “well, I’m glad only one person got shot.” For me, it is more like “Holy shit! Someone got shot?!”
If it was Sweden, I would’ve been with you. But it was in America, I would’ve been far more surprised if no-one was shot.
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Capitol Secured After Mob’s Breach, Paving Way to Resume Debate (msn.com)
Well, so far, looks like there will not be an Orange-man Revolution in the Capitol. Though, I’m sure we’ll soon see Qanon like conspiracy theories claiming the actual instigators were plants from the Democratic Party to incite violence and make the peaceful and innocent if naïve Trump supporters and their cause look bad.
We will be in the realm of dark satire if Congress reconvenes and those dozen or so pinhead Senators and Representatives still raise their objections forcing another 2+ hours of debate before confirming the electoral ballots.
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Some people claim that Mike Pence approved deployment of the national guard today. Other people claim that the Vice President has no such authority, only the president does.
Pleasepleasepleasepleasethe25thamendmentpleeeeeease
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.@Acosta: "I will tell you, Jake, I talked to a source, a GOP source close to the president who speaks with him regularly, and I take no pleasure in reporting this, but this source tells me that he believes the president is out of his mind." pic.twitter.com/Ld7r2hLnSH
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) January 6, 2021
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BREAKING: Twitter: "Future violations of the Twitter Rules, including our Civic Integrity or Violent Threats policies, will result in permanent suspension of the" president's account.
— NBC News (@NBCNews) January 7, 2021
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Some people claim that Mike Pence approved deployment of the national guard today. Other people claim that the Vice President has no such authority, only the president does.
Yeah, it is completely confusing. Normally, only a governor or the President would have the authority. However, DC doesn’t operate the same as any other state, so it could be any civilian authority in the executive branch chain like the Secretary of Defense. However, his appointment wasn’t confirmed by the Senate so that leaves his authority limited as far as civilian oversight of the military.
Seems like this is one of those, “I’ll make the order and then send it to the White House for a signature after everything is done.”
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There is just no way Covid doesn’t spike like crazy in the Capitol after this.
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I’m sure we’ll soon see Qanon like conspiracy theories claiming the actual instigators were plants from the Democratic Party to incite violence and make the peaceful and innocent if naïve Trump supporters and their cause look bad.
I saw these kind of reports on twitter while the whole thing was underway, well before you wrote this.
That’s not to say you were wrong, au contraire: You were more right than you knew!
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Well great start to 2021…
What the fuck are you talking about, today is the 37th of December 2020.
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I’m not even gonna comment on the bullshit in the capitol today, all the points I’d have made have been made a dozen times already. It’s truly disgusting stuff though.
But I wish I could be happier about the Dems taking the senate. The problem is I just know Biden, Schumer, Pelosi, etc aren’t gonna wield their power for anything useful. It’ll just be austerity, austerity, austerity. Except for keeping the forever wars going. And prisons.
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The thing which annoys me the most is that Twitter suspending Trump’s account, and Republicans like Pence and Romney distancing themselves from Trump is that it only happens now that he’s finally more of a liability than an asset to them – and it’s only now that it’s reached that point. All these fuckers should be up on charges.
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All these fuckers should be up on charges.
Charges, eh? Are you thinking “semtex” or like “electricity”?
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Though, I’m sure we’ll soon see Qanon like conspiracy theories claiming the actual instigators were plants from the Democratic Party to incite violence and make the peaceful and innocent if naïve Trump supporters and their cause look bad.
I already saw something to the effect that it was antifa infiltrators among the protestors that caused the riot.
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Well great start to 2021…
What the fuck are you talking about, today is the 37th of December 2020.
Ha! December’s gonna be a long ass month, ain’t it? =P
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All these fuckers should be up on charges.
Charges, eh? Are you thinking “semtex” or like “electricity”?
My damned principles mean I have to oppose the carceral system.
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My damned principles mean I have to oppose the carceral system.
But does your heritage suggest adherence to the carbombean doctrine as an alternative?
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But I wish I could be happier about the Dems taking the senate. The problem is I just know Biden, Schumer, Pelosi, etc aren’t gonna wield their power for anything useful. It’ll just be austerity, austerity, austerity. Except for keeping the forever wars going. And prisons.
Yes, the environment has changed but the rules are the same that Machiavelli wrote down around 500 years ago to the embarrassment of politicians since. The trick is grabbing power, and more importantly, keeping it. Never try to solve anything if it means you can’t use it.
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I already saw something to the effect that it was antifa infiltrators among the protestors that caused the riot.
Some of the protestors are being interviewed and saying that it was a peaceful protest but a few people got out of hand. They’re taking selfies at the speaker’s podium and saying that other people got out of hand.
At the same time, you do wonder what were they thinking when they planned the security that day. They had already known what the protestors had been doing all week leading up to it. They had seen rallies and knew these were the same sort of people who would take over Federal buildings. Is it just that there is a big division and lack of communication between Federal, Capitol and DC police? Because that’s the sort of thing you’d expect them to figure out after 9/11 when they started putting concrete barriers around everything.
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There are videos of police officers removing barriers to give entry to protestors. Planned or not, the police were complicit.
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People need to be fired for this shitshow. There also needs to be a very thorough and public investigation. This should never have happened.
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A friend just sent me this:
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The thing which annoys me the most is that Twitter suspending Trump’s account, and Republicans like Pence and Romney distancing themselves from Trump is that it only happens now that he’s finally more of a liability than an asset to them
Wasn’t Romney one of the few Republicans who has been speaking out consistently against Trump?
As for this whole debacle: One thing I think is positive about this is that it must’ve scared the shit out of the Republicans in the house. This was a much-needed lesson about playing with fucking fire for them. Here’s to hoping that the internal fight that will have to ensue over the next few years will rip the fucking GOP apart.
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Didn’t scare 2 senate and 138 house reps out of objecting to the election result.
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Really great sentence in the Guardian coverage – “We don’t know what Trump makes of this because he’s suspended on Twitter.”
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They had seen rallies and knew these were the same sort of people who would take over Federal buildings. Is it just that there is a big division and lack of communication between Federal, Capitol and DC police?
If I was more of a paranoid conspiracy theorist, I’d suggest that Pence told them to let the insurgents in so that he could use it as an opportunity to distance himself from Trump and look statesman-like. But that would be crazy…
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My damned principles mean I have to oppose the carceral system.
But does your heritage suggest adherence to the carbombean doctrine as an alternative?
To be fair, my heritage stands more on the open uprising, shooting and throwing grenades than the carbomb.
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Wasn’t Romney one of the few Republicans who has been speaking out consistently against Trump?
To some degree, yeah. But it’s moving to more pointed and express outrage. Like the media starting to call the rioters terrorists. they could have done that at the Unite the Right rally where much the same behaviour was happening, or any of the other political/terrorist violence perpetrated by right-wing extremists. They’ve been critical of Trump but are now turning on him in a far more express way.
As for this whole debacle: One thing I think is positive about this is that it must’ve scared the shit out of the Republicans in the house. This was a much-needed lesson about playing with fucking fire for them. Here’s to hoping that the internal fight that will have to ensue over the next few years will rip the fucking GOP apart.
I dunno, my fear is that they see exactly the gains playing with fire can get you and the lesson they take is to make sure the next ideologue is under control from the start.
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My damned principles mean I have to oppose the carceral system.
But does your heritage suggest adherence to the carbombean doctrine as an alternative?
To be fair, my heritage stands more on the open uprising, shooting and throwing grenades than the carbomb.
It can be… checks post…. four things!
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This is starting to sound like a Bashir and Garak conversation, “Things have to improve from here”, “my dear Doctor, you have so much to learn”.
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Well, so far, looks like there will not be an Orange-man Revolution in the Capitol. Though, I’m sure we’ll soon see Qanon like conspiracy theories claiming the actual instigators were plants from the Democratic Party to incite violence and make the peaceful and innocent if naïve Trump supporters and their cause look bad.
I’ve see people claiming that antifa agitators are behind it. Here’s an example:
The proof is that this man has a tattoo which looks a bit, in low-resolution, if you squint, like the hammer and sickle symbol of international Communism.
Oh, wait…
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Well, so far, looks like there will not be an Orange-man Revolution in the Capitol. Though, I’m sure we’ll soon see Qanon like conspiracy theories claiming the actual instigators were plants from the Democratic Party to incite violence and make the peaceful and innocent if naïve Trump supporters and their cause look bad.
I’ve see people claiming that antifa agitators are behind it. Here’s an example:
The proof is that this man has a tattoo which looks a bit, in low-resolution, if you squint, like the hammer and sickle symbol of international Communism.
Oh, wait…
But David, gamers are notoriously a leftist bunch!
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The ironic thing is that Pence actually comes out of this looking better than he had at any time in the past four years. I think he will surely consider running for the nomination in four years.
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Great to see Congress finish the job so quickly after all the chaos yesterday. Hopefully it represents a final moment of madness and the end of an era.
I wonder what has been the average time for all past electoral vote confirmations. Maybe around 30 minutes?
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Great to see Congress finish the job so quickly after all the chaos yesterday. Hopefully it represents a final moment of madness and the end of an era.
I wonder what has been the average time for all past electoral vote confirmations. Maybe around 30 minutes?
I really meant in the sense of “so soon after”, rather than the speed of proceedings once they got going – I didn’t know how long official use of the building would be delayed.
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I read an interview with the guy pictured lounging in Pelosi’s office yesterday. It was full of irony and bullshit. Trump supporters have really upped their delusions. Just like Trump they are constantly the victims and nothing is ever their fault. They’ve leaned a lot from their dear leader.
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One thing about the message from Trump to the protestors – what was the point of that? I mean, the people who saw it were basically the people watching television. How were the protestors going to get that message? I mean, when people were calling for Trump to send a message, I was wondering “How? By carrier pigeon?” The message the protestors needed should be delivered by a police force not video.
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On thing:
The police really do know how to restrain themselves after all…. when they want to.
Well said, Katy Perry.
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Siri, what does “too little, too late” mean?
Donald Trump suspended from Facebook indefinitely, says Mark Zuckerberg
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One thing about the message from Trump to the protestors – what was the point of that? I mean, the people who saw it were basically the people watching television. How were the protestors going to get that message? I mean, when people were calling for Trump to send a message, I was wondering “How? By carrier pigeon?” The message the protestors needed should be delivered by a police force not video.
He tweeted out his video. I imagine that many/most people in the crowd had smartphones and would have been able to access it, and are probably the kind of people who pay attention to his twitter feed.
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He tweeted out his video. I imagine that many/most people in the crowd had smartphones and would have been able to access it, and are probably the kind of people who pay attention to his twitter feed.
Obviously, though, most of those phones were occupied with people taking selfies in the rotunda.
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So brave of social media companies to silence Donald Trump 2 weeks before he becomes a nobody again.
Their “courage” will be remembered.
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Well said, Katy Perry.
Thanks… Wolverine
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D.C. mayor calls for congressional inquiry into security failures that enabled insurrection
The mayor of Washington, D.C., called on Congress to establish a panel to investigate the security lapses that enabled a mob to penetrate the U.S. Capitol Complex and threaten lawmakers.
The call came Thursday, as the U.S. Capitol Police faces scrutiny for allowing supporters of President Donald Trump to swarm the Capitol while hundreds of elected leaders — including the first, second and third in line of presidential succession — were inside.
“Congress must create a nonpartisan commission to understand the catastrophic security failures that happened at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, both to hold people accountable and to ensure that it never happens again,” Bowser, a Democrat, said in an address billed as a situational update.
“We must also understand why the federal law enforcement response was much stronger at the protests over the summer than during yesterday’s attack on Congress,” Bowser said, referring to the overwhelming response to those protesting police violence in the wake of the killing of George Floyd.
The U.S. Capitol Police defended its actions on Wednesday as criticism mounted. Steven Sund, chief of police, said in a statement that his officers “responded valiantly.”
“These individuals actively attacked United States Capitol Police Officers and other uniformed law enforcement officers with metal pipes, discharged chemical irritants, and took up other weapons against our officers,” Sund said in a statement. “They were determined to enter into the Capitol Building by causing great damage.”
At least 50 officers were injured in the attack, including several who have been hospitalized with serious injuries, Sund said on Thursday. Four people died in the riots, including one woman who was shot by a Capitol Police officer and three who died of unspecified “medical emergencies.”
The Capitol Police has a sworn force of about 2,000 officers and an additional 350 civilian personnel, according to its website. Its mission is to “Protect the Congress — its Members, employees, visitors, and facilities — so it can fulfill its constitutional and legislative responsibilities in a safe, secure and open environment.”
The Capitol Police have arrested 14 people in connection with the riots, according to a press release posted online. At the situational update, Metropolitan Police Department Chief Robert Contee said that officers had arrested 68 individuals, 41 of whom were arrested on U.S. Capitol grounds.
“When U.S. Capitol Police called for assistance, MPD answered the call,” Contee said.
The protests had long been expected, prompting criticism from some lawmakers, including Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn.
“This was out on social media. President Trump was literally inciting them. They were communicating about what they were going to do, and we needed major presence,” Klobuchar said on ABC’s “The View” on Thursday. “There was not adequate planning for this, and it must be, every detail of this, investigated.”
Bowser also called for Congress to transfer control of the D.C. National Guard from the president to her office.
About 1,100 troops from the D.C. National Guard were mobilized on Wednesday in response to the riots after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Bowser requested their assistance, but Trump had to be persuaded to send them, NBC News reported.
Bowser, who has had a hostile relationship with the president for years, to varying degrees, also called for Trump to be “held accountable for this unprecedented attack on our democracy.”
“What happened yesterday was what he wanted to happen and we must not underestimate the damage he can do to our nation and our democracy over the next two weeks,” Bowser said.
“And it’s not just the president who must be held accountable. So too must the domestic terrorists who stormed the Capitol and threatened members of Congress,” she added.
Acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen said that federal charges for those responsible for the attack are forthcoming.
“Our criminal prosecutors have been working throughout the evening with special agents and investigators from the U.S. Capitol Police, FBI, ATF, Metropolitan Police Department and the public to gather the evidence, identify perpetrators, and charge federal crimes where warranted,” Rosen said in a statement.
“Some participants in yesterday’s violence will be charged today, and we will continue to methodically assess evidence, charge crimes and make arrests in the coming days and weeks to ensure that those responsible are held accountable under the law,” he said.
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