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I’m not sure any of the democratic candidates really would want the job after the effects of the pandemic. The DNC can select anyone it likes, right? Maybe Elizabeth Warren will end up the surprise pick.

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  • #29293

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/12/europe/poland-czech-republic-invasion-scli-intl/index.html

     

    A couple of days old but… WHAT?

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  • #29302

    New policy idea from the political geniuses at no 10 – scrap the free school meals programme.  Brilliant! How can it go wrong?

    Enter a 22-year-old footballer playing for Man Utd and England.  48 hours later and Rushford’s very savvy social media campaigning pays off with Bozza capitulating.

    This column was bang on target:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/16/marcus-rashford-politicians-nurses-footballer-ministers

     

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  • #29314

    Rashford completely kicked arse on that one. I suppose determination is something you need a lot of to become a top level footballer but I loved when noises started coming out it had been rejected he was immediately on to cabinet ministers asking for a u-turn.

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  • #29316

    Feels like it’s win-win. Rashford gets his campaign success and the government gets everyone to stop talking about their handling of the pandemic and the Brexit shitshow for a day or so.

  • #29317

    And instead get a kicking over having to be forced to provide free school meals, along with their waffly BLM response.

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  • #29328

    For a day or so…. there’s no way to distract from either forever.

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  • #29329

    I honestly think it’s a slight failing with the ‘dead cat’ policy. It works a treat burying bad news or Priti Patel being caught collaborating with Nazis but with something like a bombing economy or ongoing pandemic you can only really defer those. If you say something outrageous or do a u-turn every day you risk looking a shambles.

    Saying that what Donald Trump does with his tweets is pretty much dropping a dead cat every day, I guess we’ll find out in November if it works.

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  • #29338

    And instead get a kicking over having to be forced to provide free school meals, along with their waffly BLM response.

    Yeah, but I still think it’s easier to spin as “government does the right thing due to popular demand”, as opposed to “government is continually fucking up by working against your best interests, tanking the economy and letting people die unnecessarily”.

    Back to that tomorrow, I guess.

  • #29339

    I honestly think it’s a slight failing with the ‘dead cat’ policy. It works a treat burying bad news or Priti Patel being caught collaborating with Nazis but with something like a bombing economy or ongoing pandemic you can only really defer those. If you say something outrageous or do a u-turn every day you risk looking a shambles.

    Saying that what Donald Trump does with his tweets is pretty much dropping a dead cat every day, I guess we’ll find out in November if it works.

    There’s always a deader cat. It does lead to a slightly worrying escalation aspect though. At this rate Johnson is going to have to call Cameron back in to fuck another pig.

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  • #29380

    It leads me to wonder what else is yet to be uncovered. There’s always another pig. It’s proving more and more difficult to find clarity through all the noise.

    A lot of people in positions of power lie somewhere on the sociopathic spectrum. They’re malignant narcissists. They don’t care about your best interests. Trump is the most blatant example. If you watch some of the news conferences, even when they’re presented with direct quotes on something they’ve said they’ll insist they never said so in the first place. It’s as if they’re attempting to create their own reality. All that exists is what’s in their thought process in that moment.

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  • #29385

    Trump is the most blatant example.

    I am reminded of what one of my friends once said in response to a friend being abused by her husband.

    “If you have a kennel with a crazy, almost rabid, dog in it that continually fucks with the other dogs, you don’t try to reason with that dog. You take it out the back and give him the business end of the shotgun.”

    I’m not condoning lethal violence as such to be placed upon El Donaldo but… who am I kidding? I totally do.

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  • #29389

    Now don’t go bringing the dogs into this.

    Good point, Anders. I’m wondering what the true domestic violence statistics would be if they examined the background of those responsible for police brutality.

    You cannot reason with unreasonable people. Half the time they’re gaslighting themselves.

    You could try directing questions to, for example, the medical experts who have shared podiums. Even then they get dismissed and whichever super-ego is in charge will flail around with doublespeak.

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  • #29394

    Good point, Anders. I’m wondering what the true domestic violence statistics would be if they examined the background of those responsible for police brutality.

    40% of all families of police officers in the US have reported abuse issues. Presumably the total is higher given the atrocious reporting rates for domestic abuse.

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  • #29395

    You’ll never get the genuine figures. The same is true with the aforementioned free school meals programme.

    Kind of brings it back to a particular type of politician. People keep expecting them to feel ashamed based on how they would react.

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  • #29455

    This was totally the youtube channel I needed to better understand my own anarcho-stalinist views.

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  • #29460

    The Week in Tory

    Every week I feel like I age a year.

     

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  • #29473

    ‘More police officers are shot and killed by blacks than police officers kill African-Americans,’ claims former New York Mayor Giuliani

    Rudy stays an asshole.

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  • #29535

    The Week in Tory

    Every week I feel like I age a year.

     

    I’ve been following that guy for a while. He repeats this every week. Just a simple list of everything the government has lied about and/or screwed up this week. Dozens of items. Every. Single. Week. It’s almost too much to be believable, except all of it is verifiable from mainstream media sources if you want to check his facts.

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  • #29556

    In a similar vein, this guy Matt has been running a Trump update every weekday since his presidency began, called What The Fuck Just Happened Today or WTFJHT for short. He provides a daily report of the fucked-up stuff that Trump or his administration does each day, with links to the sources of the reports as well as to previous reports on the same topic.

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  • #29884

    Barr: Trump has removed top federal prosecutor in Manhattan

    Who has prosecuted and investigated several of people with ties to Trump. Not questionable at all.

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  • #29891

    And in response, the House Judiciary Committee is opening an investigation into the Berman firing.

    Jerry Nadler responds.

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  • #29921

    MeidasTouch.com
    @MeidasTouch
    NEW VIDEO

    The GOP can try to run from @realDonaldTrump, but they can’t hide from voters this November.#GOPCowards

    I really wish this takes hold. The GOP needs to be taken the fuck to task for supporting Trump.

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  • #29970

    These K-pop kids in the last couple of weeks have made me hopeful for the future.

    They drowned out the far right hash tags during the BLM protests and now trolled Trump in the most awesome way ever.

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  • #29978

    MeidasTouch.com
    @MeidasTouch
    NEW VIDEO

    The GOP can try to run from @realDonaldTrump, but they can’t hide from voters this November.#GOPCowards

    I really wish this takes hold. The GOP needs to be taken the fuck to task for supporting Trump.

    I wish I believed in American’s ability to see beyond petty politics and recognize and admit to the damage these assholes have been doing to the country for years upon years…but I know that’s unlikely. Nothing would make me happier right now than seeing both Trump and McConnell given their walking papers in November. While it might happen (and sadly it’s only might), there’s no way Kentucky will stop being deeply entrenched in red. Prove me wrong, Kentucky!

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  • #29991

    More people bought a print copy of Usagi Yojimbo’s last issue than went to Trump’s Tulsa rally. That’s context for you. Also his was free and the comic costs $3.99.

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  • #29999

    More people bought a print copy of Usagi Yojimbo’s last issue than went to Trump’s Tulsa rally. That’s context for you. Also his was free and the comic costs $3.99.

    For a second, 2020 didn’t seem so bad.

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  • #30057

    Not sure where to put this, but this seems like good place.

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  • #30142

    It’s very generous so to speak to describe what Dorsey did as donating money.

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  • #30146

    Yeah, seems more like he invested them in a charity rather than give it to them.

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  • #30149

    It’s very common with this kind of philanthropy.  Bill Gates has actually made a lot of money from his charity work.

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  • #30174

    Decided not to bother. Tim Schwabs article is worth reading though.

  • #30179

    From the other side:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/we-dont-see-color-trump-rallygoers-explain-black-lives-matter-protests-to-their-children/2020/06/21/79ee890c-b40c-11ea-a510-55bf26485c93_story.html

  • #30182

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  • #30193

    As satisfying as it is to see Trump dejected after his big rally flop, I can’t really bring myself to mock it when there’s still way too good of a chance that he wins in November. I feel like too many people are forgetting that a lot can happen between now and November and Trump, for as terrible as he is, has consistently found ways to win at the expense of America.

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  • #30197

    I can’t really bring myself to mock it when there’s still way too good of a chance that he wins in November

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  • #30242

    I can’t really bring myself to mock it when there’s still way too good of a chance that he wins in November

    That’s some good advice!

    IMG_0600

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  • #30261

    Boris Johnson ditches 2m social distancing rule in England for ‘1m-plus’

    Members of two different households will be able to eat, drink or dine together from 4 July in England as long as they stick to physical-distancing guidelines, the prime minister has announced, as he confirmed the 2-metre rule will be dropped in favour of a “1-metre-plus” approach.

    Households will be able to host visitors in their home, including overnight, and to meet with members of different households, on different occasions – including in a restaurant or hotel, for example.

    The 2-metre rule has been central to the government’s battle against the spread of Covid-19 – but with infections declining, the cabinet has rubber-stamped new, less stringent guidance.

    A “1-metre-plus” approach will mean members of the public can be 1 metre away from each other as long as other measures are put in place to limit the transmission of the virus.

    These include wearing a face covering, installing screens, making sure people face away from each other, and providing extra handwashing facilities.

    They’re doing this deliberately, aren’t they. Making the guidance vague and confusing enough that no-one will really know exactly what the correct measures are, but putting in enough caveats that if and when there’s an uptick in a few weeks they can point to the rules and say that people just weren’t following them properly.

    Meanwhile, the money can start flowing again.

    (Someone made the point to me earlier that you can gauge this government’s priorities quite clearly by replacing the word “science” with the word “money” whenever they say things like “we’re being guided by the science” or “we’re following the science”.)

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  • #30262

    The money must flow.

    Someone posted a good analogy involving Jurassic Park a while back.

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  • #30263

    They’ve been talking about changing the safe distance here from 2 metres to 1 as well and it strikes me as blatant security theatre.  If we were keeping 2m apart to prevent exhaled water droplets from hitting each other (and so on), then there’s no good reason to half the distance.  It’s not linked to the number of active cases, there’s been no published science I’m aware of that says the spread of the virus is now shorter-ranged than before.  The only reason to do this is to make people feel like life is getting “back to normal” regardless of how safe it is.

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  • #30267

    Someone posted a good analogy involving Jurassic Park a while back.

    Life, ah uh, finds, eh, a way.

    (And bizarrely you can read that in the voice of both Jeff Goldblum and Boris Johnson.)

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  • #30269

    I read it in Mayor Quimby’s.

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  • #30270

    I read it in Mayor Quimby’s.

    It can be three things.

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  • #30275

    I find the UK approach really bizarre. I saw a video yesterday of non-essential shops being opened. Basically it was just anything goes, people walking into the shopping centre with zero controls. Spending time and money creating one way systems nobody follows, 80% without masks.

    We’ve had them open a few weeks but every entrance is controlled with temperature measurement, hand sanitizer and you check in for contact tracing. Masks mandatory. None of this is high tech, it’s in a much poorer country.

    We have 121 deaths from Covid. It’s not even a small country – 32 million.

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  • #30277

    Johnson to Gar: “Show some guts!”

    Yes, that is a quote from today, more or less.

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  • #30284

    We’ve had them open a few weeks but every entrance is controlled with temperature measurement, hand sanitizer and you check in for contact tracing. Masks mandatory. None of this is high tech, it’s in a much poorer country.

    My office building, a fairly big one by NYC standards, has JUST installed a thermal imaging device in the lobby today, manned by one guy covered head to toe in PPE. I get in fairly early in the morning (6:40am today) so there was no line, but by 8am people were lining up in the plaza outside waiting to be screened. There’s probably a more efficient and quicker way, but it probably costs more in terms of equipment and manpower, so this is what we get.

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  • #30289

    Yeah everything here is relatively low tech but at least they are doing it and checking. As I mentioned recently the county with the lowest Covid rate in the UK just did track and trace on an Excel spreadsheet and staff making calls. While everyone was obsessing over app solutions that haven’t been delivered they just cracked on with a DIY approach with what they had, and it worked.

    If you know nobody entering the building has a fever, they’ve all rubbed their hands with high alcohol sanitizer and they all wear a mask so passing anything via coughs and sneezes is reduced then a lot of risk factors are gone. Not all of course, but a decent percentage.

    They were doing none of that in this video (maybe 1 in 10 were wearing a mask) but seemingly obsessing over physical distancing which is really really hard to police, you can control entry points with a single person but to try and ensure everyone in a mall is maintaining a 2 metre gap takes an army. They were trying to create a one-way walking system in a major shopping street – first comment: ‘council staff say it is not being adhered to and they find it hard to control’. No shit Sherlock.

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  • #30437

    Just catching up on yesterday’s PMQs and it’s quite a hopeless battle for Johnson against Starmer. It isn’t even an engaging exchange, just the standard empty Johnson nonsense waffle against Starmer’s pointed and pertinent questions.

    It’s quite dispiriting in some ways to see such a sorry excuse for a PM who’s clearly completely ill-equipped for any kind of serious exchange. Certainly the poorest performer at PMQs in my lifetime.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see Johnson try to ‘reform’ PMQs in the near future as it’s the one time where he is unable to escape questioning and it seems to utterly expose him for what he is.

  • #30438

    He won’t need to once he has his loyal mob of MPs back to howl at Starmer.

  • #30442

    I’m not sure. I don’t doubt that there will be the usual PMQs panto once MPs return in greater numbers, but in terms of the bigger picture I think Johnson is faring quite badly within his own party at the moment.

    And if there’s one thing we know about the Tories is that there’s no loyalty to any leader once they’re seen as having outlived their usefulness.

    There are already reports of large numbers of Tory MPs being dissatisfied with his current performance in several areas, and it’s not like he has gone to great lengths to win over a lot of his own parliamentary party (quite the opposite in some cases).

    If things continue to go badly for Johnson with the public, and he is seen as a sufficient liability, he could be out before the next election – as inconceivable as that might have seemed after the scale of his win in December.

    Five years is a very long time in politics.

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  • #30447

    I’d like to think you’re right Dave but expect:

     

    Starmer starts a Q, Tory horde shrieks him down

    Johnson – ‘do speak up’

    Starmer starts again, howled out again

  • #30451

    The braying will assist but I don’t think that much. The speaker won’t allow them to completely drown out Starmer and it’ll still be a crap answer when it appears on the news even if they react like it’s Billy Connolly doing his best set ever.

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    I’d like to think you’re right Dave but expect:

     

    Starmer starts a Q, Tory horde shrieks him down

    Johnson – ‘do speak up’

    Starmer starts again, howled out again

    Not to worry, a good Speaker should prevent that from happening.

    Oh.

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  • #30455

    The braying will assist but I don’t think that much. The speaker won’t allow them to completely drown out Starmer and it’ll still be a crap answer when it appears on the news even if they react like it’s Billy Connolly doing his best set ever.

    Ha, I responded to Ben before your post appeared.

    I don’t know if you’ve seen much of the current speaker but I don’t trust him to be very effective in these situations based on what I’ve seen of him so far. Although hopefully he will still mitigate things to an extent.

  • #30499

    I’ve seen a bit and Hoyle is definitely more passive than Bercow but he still maintains the ‘order’ call, it’s pretty much the basic speaker duty.

  • #30502

    Yeah true and in fairness he upbraided Johnson immediately this week for suggesting that Starmer was deliberately misleading the House.

  • #30516

    Starmer sacks Rebecca Long-Bailey for sharing ‘anti-Semitic article’

    I think it’s the right move for Starmer to act swiftly here.

     

  • #30583

    Starmer sacks Rebecca Long-Bailey for sharing ‘anti-Semitic article’

    I think it’s the right move for Starmer to act swiftly here.

     

    Describing that article as anti-semetic is a a fucking stretch and a half.

  • #30585

    Describing that article as anti-semetic is a a fucking stretch and a half.

    So the description is anti-semantic?

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  • #30590

    Starmer sacks Rebecca Long-Bailey for sharing ‘anti-Semitic article’

    I think it’s the right move for Starmer to act swiftly here.

     

    Describing that article as anti-semetic is a a fucking stretch and a half.

    I agree that it’s far from being the most egregious accusation revolving around anti-semitism within Labour. But given the sequence of events – she links to an article with questionable aspects, the party leader asks her to delete the tweet, and she refuses – I don’t think he really had any option, and far better that he act quickly rather than it become another days-long furore over anti-semitism within the Labour left.

    Given how much the issue cost Labour at the last election they need to be seen to be changing their internal culture at this point.

  • #30591

    Starmer sacks Rebecca Long-Bailey for sharing ‘anti-Semitic article’

    I think it’s the right move for Starmer to act swiftly here.

     

    Describing that article as anti-semetic is a a fucking stretch and a half.

    I agree that it’s far from being the most egregious accusation revolving around anti-semitism within Labour. But given the sequence of events – she links to an article with questionable aspects, the party leader asks her to delete the tweet, and she refuses – I don’t think he really had any option, and far better that he act quickly rather than it become another days-long furore over anti-semitism within the Labour left.

    Given how much the issue cost Labour at the last election they need to be seen to be changing their internal culture at this point.

    The problem is that while there definitely was anti-semetism in Labour, the controversy was almost entirely manufactured.  And conflating criticism of Israel with anti-semetism is very, very dangerous.

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  • #30592

    And conflating criticism of Israel with anti-semetism is very, very dangerous.

    I completely agree on this point, but the contentious claim in the article – that the US police learned the restraint methods used on George Floyd from Israeli secret services – has not only been denied as false on the Israel side but Peake has also admitted it isn’t true.

    While not an overtly antisemitic claim, I think that in other contexts it’s the kind of thing that would fall under ‘dog whistling’.

    Let’s be plain though, a lot of this isn’t really about the rights and wrongs of this specific example of anti-semitism but about the internal fighting within Labour between the leadership and the more left-wing holdover Corbyn-supporting elements. I don’t think that’s going away any time soon and I think they need to clearly separate it from the anti-semitism issues for the sake of both sides of the argument.

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  • #30593

    Let’s be plain though, a lot of this isn’t really about the rights and wrongs of this specific example of anti-semitism but about the internal fighting within Labour between the leadership and the more left-wing holdover Corbyn-supporting elements. I don’t think that’s going away any time soon and I think they need to clearly separate it from the anti-semitism issues for the sake of both sides of the argument.

    To me this feels like Starmer trying to purge the leftward elements of the party as soon as he has a convenient excuse.

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  • #30594

    Yeah, I don’t disagree and that’s what I was getting at really. It definitely feels like there’s an element of that.

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  • #30596

    that’s what I was getting at really

    right move for Starmer

    Ah, RIGHT move. Gotcha. You need to be less subtle about these things.

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  • #30599

    I think the test now is going to be consistency. People are going to hold him to this same standard for future transgressions from the right of the party. In fact I expect people from the Labour left feeling aggrieved over this sacking to be actively seeking out those examples and demanding that he take similar action.

    I know we like to talk about how the Tory party is dysfunctional but Labour is pretty fucked too.

  • #30600

    The problem is that while there definitely was anti-semetism in Labour, the controversy was almost entirely manufactured.

    Agreed. There were some clearly anti-semitic comments made and to be frank Labour were very poor at dealing with that and stamping it out immediately. However specific criticism of Israeli policy has been dragged in a lot of times and the factionalism within the party blew it up into it being rampant. Some of the more vocal Jewish media critics on the subject (David Baddiel, Rachel Riley) have not really disguised their dislike of the Corbyn project, while Micheal Rosen who aligns more politically with it has a similar take to mine

    Meanwhile a lot of Tories have got away with Islamaphobic comments because those right wingers are really good in showing an united front (Baroness Warsi exempted).

    I do think though that the way the narrative has gone Starmer was stuck with little choice. I’ve never been as convinced as others by the claim that either Corbyn was that radically left or he’s that Blairite. I think a lot is based on image rather than policy.  Labour need to break out of this factionalism or it’ll continue to hurt their chances, which ironically was one of the main points in Peake’s interview – she didn’t get her favourite leader but she just wants the Tories out.

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  • #30601

    I do think though that the way the narrative has gone Starmer was stuck with little choice.

    Also it’s worth mentioning again that he didn’t just sack her outright. He gave her the opportunity to delete the tweets, and she refused.

    I also think that it’s worth mentioning that this example falls somewhere between clear-cut antisemitism and completely manufactured/mislabelled legitimate political criticism of Israel. It was a (now admitted by Peake to be) false claim that the Israeli secret service were responsible for the techniques used that led to George Floyd’s death. In other contexts and without the mess of Labour muddying the waters we would be able to see the dog-whistle aspects there more clearly.

  • #30630

    Also it’s worth mentioning again that he didn’t just sack her outright. He gave her the opportunity to delete the tweets, and she refused.

    That’s not quite the case.

    They helped her word a clarification, then decided that wasn’t enough and pulled the rug under her.

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  • #30647

    I also think that it’s worth mentioning that this example falls somewhere between clear-cut antisemitism and completely manufactured/mislabelled legitimate political criticism of Israel. It was a (now admitted by Peake to be) false claim that the Israeli secret service were responsible for the techniques used that led to George Floyd’s death. In other contexts and without the mess of Labour muddying the waters we would be able to see the dog-whistle aspects there more clearly.

    I’m not sure if I agree that this can be counted as dog-whistling.  That’s usually when you say something relatively innocuous or unrelated to hide antisemitism – like talking about “globalists” instead of the Rotschilds, or claiming George Soros is behind every left-wing movement. While it turned out that this instance of police brutality in the US isn’t linked to brutality perpetrated by Israeli security forces, linking the two feels more like conflating two similar issues.  I guess you could say that the claim is Israel is behind police brutality in general?  But that feels like an incredible stretch.

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  • #30649

    You may be right, it may be that I’m following too unquestioningly the way it’s been presented by the Starmer camp. It’s not something that would leap out at me as a clear example of anti-semitism immediately, but I can also see it as a possible ‘coded’ allusion.

    I think Starmer was in a difficult position over it and I still think that on balance he did the right thing, but the more we talk about it the more it does seem like a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

    Then again, maybe we’re in a situation at the moment where anything less than her dismissal would be seen as an unacceptable half-measure. It feels like there must be some kind of less severe but equally decisive way to address it, suspension and investigation maybe?

  • #30654

    For me it just highlights how he’s unwilling to handle other instances of prejudice inside Labour friends of mine have noted how he doesn’t seem to go after Labour members who are attacking Diane Abbott, and one of his front-benchers has published election literature full of anti-traveller racism.

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    prejudice inside Labour friends of mine

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  • #30702

    While I’ve been quietly enjoying watch Starmer drub Johnson at PMQs week after consecutive week (and really it is a pleasure to watch Johnson’s attempts to keep his temper when criticised – for someone as entitled and narcissistic as our PM, this can’t be easy), I’m still unsure what to think about Starmer in general. I can say that this was a smart move politically – failure to do so would have gifted the Tories a rather large stick to beat over Starmer’s head at every opportunity.

     

    The rights and wrongs of this are irrelevant, if maintaining Labour as a political force are your priority right now – large sections of the media and institutions of state are deeply opposed to the party and are looking for a weakness to exploit; the best way to neutralise Starmer’s tenure as Labour leader would be to cripple his leadership early on with a charge that would resonate with the public. They are hunting for something, and so far have had a much harder time of finding it than with Corbyn.

     

    If at any time we should we assume that Starmer has been too harsh and over-reacted in this case, then I think we should remind ourselves that we ended up with a glib, shallow, not-too-bright PM who called what will probably come to be seen as the most divisive and ruinous referendum in British history, all because at election time, our media made his opponent look like a weirdo for the way he ate a bacon sandwich.

     

    prejudice inside Labour friends of mine

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    Punctuation is important.

     

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  • #30797

    The Labour Party truly infuriates me. A poll was just released that put Keir Starmer 2 points ahead of Johnson as most favoured as Prime Minister.

    The comments underneath.

    “Shows that sacking a far left candidate can only do you good”.

    “They promised 20 points ahead by now” (Who is ‘they’ I have no idea).

    “Corbyn would be 20 points ahead after this shambles”.

    All factional in-fighting and as usual absolutely nothing ever mentioned about policy. In fact the way the party is now set up since 2010 the leader actually doesn’t drive that very much, conference decides key policy which is why Corbyn had to reluctantly accept Trident and Starmer, if he wants to (but probably doesn’t), can’t run a manifesto of Blairite privatisation.

    It’s 40+ years since Monty Python took the piss out of this and it still goes on and don’t mistake me for being a Starmer fanboy defending ‘my man’, it infuriated me just as much when aimed at Corbyn for the last year. I wanted him as PM just as now I want Starmer, anything over this shower of shit. Unless they fix this fundamental fault of viewing it all as Blur v Oasis they’ll remain in opposition.

    Rant over.

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  • #30800

    I agree completely, like I say I think it’s just as dysfunctional as the Tories in its own way. And at least split Conservative MPs tend to have the ability to pull together against a common enemy when necessary.

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  • #30801

    don’t mistake me for being a Starmer fanboy

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  • #30805

    And at least split Conservative MPs tend to have the ability to pull together against a common enemy when necessary.

    I was very annoyed with some (but will remain unnamed) pals last year that basically crapped on Corbyn for not being their ideal man. Policy wise they were very keen on progressing LGBT rights, he would have done that, Starmer will do that, the Tories won’t and are planning already to remove some.

    What’s the point in that?

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  • #30881

    Trump just approvingly retweeted a video where in the first few seconds one of his supporters yells “white power.” This is terrifying.

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  • #30889

    I have to wonder if this is a ‘dead cat’ when the story of him knowing US soldiers had bounties on their heads from Russia just came out.

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  • #30890

    It would certainly fit his MO. Distract from one terrible thing with something else that’s terrible but that I’m sure in mind is less terrible. And for his purposes he’s probably right. Because all of the white supremacist folks will recognize it as a nod to them that the president agrees with them, so at least this terrible tweet continues to lockdown the votes no one else in their right mind would ever want.

    I’ll give Trump credit, after 3 1/2 years of this shit he still manages to surprise me with how mind-blowingly awful he can be.

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  • #30893

    Trump openly campaigning on white power is scarier to me than anything else he’s doing right now but I agree it’s all bad. He keeps finding new lows.

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  • #30897

    Trump openly campaigning on white power is scarier to me than anything else he’s doing right now but I agree it’s all bad. He keeps finding new lows.

    Not sure how this is him campaigning on white power when all the other racist stuff isn’t…

  • #30899

    I just mean retweeting a video of a guy yelling white power is an escalation. I’ve always said Trump is a racist. He’s just not pretending to hide it anymore with outs like saying some Mexicans are good people in the quote where he called Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals in 2015.

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  • #30903

    It’s honestly hard to tell, I think Trump has some very clever guys in his team well versed in manipulation and controlling messages from the Putin model. He’s also thick as pig shit and impulsive. He wasn’t being media coached when he posted covfefe.

    Anyway it’s now been deleted with the official statement he didn’t hear the phrase. I mean he is clearly a racist, it goes back years, but however it has turned out they’ve left deniability while leaving the dog whistle for the racist base.

    I’m not that convinced by how useful it is, he has those guys in the bag anyway. I can’t see it bringing anyone new to his cause and probably chasing some away. A Guardian US analysis had me slightly confused with that aspect as it was saying the evangelicals were siding with BLM, so doubling down with racism doesn’t to me seem to be a way to win them back.

    As a dead cat to drown out the Russia stuff makes more sense as that has the potential to be much more dangerous.

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  • #30906

    I just mean retweeting a video of a guy yelling white power is an escalation. I’ve always said Trump is a racist. He’s just not pretending to hide it anymore with outs like saying some Mexicans are good people in the quote where he called Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals in 2015.

    He’s been retweeting openly racist stuff for a long time too.

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  • #30910

    Yup I don’t think that a lot of people in the US knew exactly what the Britain First stuff he was posting a couple of years ago was.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain_First

    Even the Daily Mail has branded them a fascist group. Their leaders have been jailed.

    It’s an interesting thing with the Putin technique of confusing and dividing people. I was listening to a radio documentary about it and a crucial thing that came up repeatedly was Yeltsin had left the country in an economic shithole. The vox pops they had repeatedly went into how a lot was forgiven because Putin bought them jobs and stability. That economic upsurge is not going to happen in the US in the next few months, quite dramatically the opposite.

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  • #30949

    That’s the thing, isn’t it? In the end it might well be just Corona that defeats Trump, not rationality, people wisening up and his racism. Just the economy tanking because of a pandemic.

    Yup I don’t think that a lot of people in the US knew exactly what the Britain First stuff he was posting a couple of years ago was.

    Nor did Trump, I’d expect. That’s one thing, I doubt that he’s a white supremacist in the way that he’s connected or that he has a shared ideology with a specific group; it’s just that his views are inherently racist and founded in a belief in white supremacy, so whenever he comes across something that plays to his beliefs (in a way that is not too openly klan-like), he’s prone to retweet it. And because he is ignorant to the point of satire, it’s sometimes stuff that gets him in trouble.

  • #31004

    One of my local Labour MPs Jess Phillips was on Question Time last week and seems to have pretty good taste in sci-fi/fantasy novels.

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  • #31006

    I see no graphic novels. Vote her out!

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  • #31008

    But look Anders, she has all the Red Dwarf novels! Even the bad ones!

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  • #31009

    she has all the Red Dwarf novels! Even the bad ones!

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  • #31095

    They are her husband’s. She’s been on camera before with some comics behind her in a bookcase (before the pandemic) and disavowed them.

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  • #31099

    Define “disavowed”.

  • #31102

    Define “disavowed”.

     

    Also appeared in the Mirror when it originally happened. ( :unsure: )

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mp-interview-front-stack-graphic-6925565

    She’s since pointed out on Twitter that this excellent collection of dystopian science fiction and gothic thrillers belongs to her husband.

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  • #31105

    Yo, that’s about vinyl, not about comics!

    (Apparently wrongly so.)

    But my point was this:

    disavow
    /dɪsəˈvaʊ/
    verb
    deny any responsibility or support for.
    “the union leaders resisted pressure to disavow picket-line violence”

    I’m getting the impression that she does support her husband’s choices.

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  • #31133

    Define “disavowed”.

     

    Also appeared in the Mirror when it originally happened. ( :unsure: )

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mp-interview-front-stack-graphic-6925565

    She’s since pointed out on Twitter that this excellent collection of dystopian science fiction and gothic thrillers belongs to her husband.

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    I don’t see the part that has anything to do with the books I mentioned originally. Maybe that’s in another story?

    Has she mentioned that those aren’t hers either, or are we just assuming that because the comics weren’t hers then she mustn’t own any of the books in her house? :unsure:

  • #31135

    I feel as though this is a little disingenuous. Some of these things have been the subject of complaints in the past, often heated ones, and now changes are being made in line with what has been called for.

    Saying that these things are small and meaningless and intended as a distraction after people have spent years asking for them to change feels a little inconsistent.

    I think it’s fine to make the point that there are bigger fish to fry, but I’m not sure that should mean that these small changes aren’t worth something too.

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