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  • #145037

    What can the Democrats actually do at the moment to stop all the shit that Trump is perpetuating?

    They can fucking TRY to do something. Stop sitting around with their thumb up their ass.

    Use whatever laws and processes they have. Impeachment, 25th Amendment, whatever. Even if it fails, it shows they are doing something. And if one thing doesn’t work, do something else. Keep trying.

    Fucking fight, even if you know it won’t work. That’s how you rally support. People will give you a lot of leeway if you are making the effort. And every effort chips away a little bit.

    Great statues are made from small hits.

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  • #145038

    What can the Democrats actually do at the moment to stop all the shit that Trump is perpetuating?

    Like Arjan says, they can use their pulpit to speak out against the excessive abuses of ICE; they can repeatedly use their powers to remind the nation that Trump’s administration has ignored a COURT ORDER to release all the Epstein files; they can go on all the national news channels and raise questions about his sanity and ability to perform his Presidential duties in the face of all the fucked-up shit he’s been pulling lately from his witch-hunting of any politician who dares to speak out against him, to his punishing of primarily-Democrat states by withholding funding of programs in those states, to his attempts to control Venezuela and Greenland despite the questionable legality and ethics of such actions… the list goes on.

    Honestly, lately there seems to be more Republicans than Dems willing to go on camera to censure Trump for his maniacal behavior. IF the Democratic Party chiefs think their current strategy is making the party stronger, they are sadly mistaken.

    They should also question his mental and physical health every time they are in front of a camera. The media took Biden to task over his flubs but are quiet on Trump. Drill it into the public he is unfit for office.

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  • #145040

    What can the Democrats actually do at the moment to stop all the shit that Trump is perpetuating?

    They could not vote for ICE to get budget increases, or to confirm Trump’s choices for leadership positions.  They could be out on the street like, say Kat Abughalazeh, a former podcaster who’s running for office in Chicago and has been accosted by ICE while protesting with her neighbours. They could be calling for the abolition of ICE at every turn like Zohran Mamdani has.

    Instead they’re funding a Zionist to go up against Abughalazeh in the primary, and they barely acknowledge that Mamdani exists despite a landslide victory.  Part of this is because the Dem leadership doesn’t have a problem with ICE, they have a problem with them being deployed indiscriminately and visibly.

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  • #145041

    How is this meant to show solidarity with the people in the street?

     

    Jeffries Won’t Whip Vote Against ICE Funding

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  • #145051

    Liberal: The system is broken and must be fixed.

    Leftist: The system is working exactly as intended and must be destroyed.

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  • #145052

    So a lot of the stuff you guys are saying should be happening is actually happening. Democrats are speaking out against ICE and urging the removal of Trump for being mentally ill and putting pressure on him over Epstein, and guess what? Nobody gives a shit, no-one is listening and none of it sticks.

    Because the Democrats are currently politically irrelevant and have no real power to do anything, largely because they suffered such a heavy loss in the election. (With an election period that I remember being characterised by certain progressive people spending more time criticising the Democrats than they did speaking out against Trump, and suggesting that somehow a Harris presidency would be just as bad as a Trump presidency. I wonder how they feel about those claims now?)

    In the small pockets where progressive politicians have achieved tangible victories – such as Mamdani’s win in New York – there has been a sense of them becoming relevant and listened-to again, and using that as a platform to push back against the Trump administration. That has been to some extent effective.

    But until there’s a significant change that allows Democrats to occupy a position of political relevance and power again (midterms?) it’s no surprise that they’re going to be unable to do anything to meaningfully push back against what Trump is doing, and largely ignored when they complain about it.

    I don’t really have a horse in this race – I’m not a particular supporter of the Democrats, but I think that Trump is clearly a disaster as president and everything possible should be done to stop him. But I don’t think there is actually a huge amount that can be done as things stand. The current system of checks and balances has been proven to be wholly inadequate for dealing with someone like Trump.

    So I don’t think that complaining about the Democrats’ response is particularly meaningful at the moment when they’re not in a position to do anything about it. Trump and his administration have to carry the can for what they’re doing – and to a certain extent the people responsible for letting him become president for a second time have to bear some responsibility for all the shit that’s happening at the moment – and my hope is that when Trump’s term is over that one consolation prize will be that the Republican party is tainted for a long time afterwards to the point of his supporters in the party being unelectable.

    But then I thought that about his first term.

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  • #145057

    The democratic party is divided of course…there is the Hilary wing and the Bernie/AOC wing. Biden didn’t do anything about Israel so I understand why some people were really fucking angry with that part of the party.

     

     

  • #145058

    The problem is the Democrats don’t even do the minimum that you would expect of an opposition party. They wave through Trump’s cabinet picks when they should be rejecting all of them. They vote to express appreciation to ICE while it is rampaging across the country. And then there’s the support of Israel’s daily murder sprees.

    There’s no way any of that looks good. At the very least they should be slating the Republicans, and a handful of Democrats are, but too many have the delusion they can work with the Trump model of politics.

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  • #145059

    Honestly a lot of the democrats problems would be solved if they just found a charismatic candidate.

     

    (Of course you can argue Trump isn’t charismatic either but I think that to his voter base, he is very charismatic)

  • #145060

    Honestly a lot of the democrats problems would be solved if they just found a charismatic candidate.

     

    (Of course you can argue Trump isn’t charismatic either but I think that to his voter base, he is very charismatic)

    That “charismatic leader” is California governor Gavin Newsom.

    He has been trolling Trump and standing up to him. He got a redistricting proposition passed that will make California lean even more blue. He has been stepping up on the international stage. Unfortunately, he’s not the progressive leader the country needs. He’s the typical center-right Democrat we always get.

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  • #145064

    That “charismatic leader” is California governor Gavin Newsom.

    The last time we elected a California governor to the White House, ketchup became a vegetable and trickle-down economics became a thing.

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  • #145067

    So I don’t think that complaining about the Democrats’ response is particularly meaningful at the moment when they’re not in a position to do anything about it. Trump and his administration have to carry the can for what they’re doing – and to a certain extent the people responsible for letting him become president for a second time have to bear some responsibility for all the shit that’s happening at the moment – and my hope is that when Trump’s term is over that one consolation prize will be that the Republican party is tainted for a long time afterwards to the point of his supporters in the party being unelectable.

    No, they really could be doing more. I say this as someone who’s here and seeing things in real time.

    As I said upthread, they really should be making far more noise than they are. They should be trying to push legislation and actions against him. Yeah, we know it will fail. But if they keep pushing, they may build more support. Hell, some Republicans are already turning on him.

    Every time a camera is in their face, they should be screaming “Epstein files!” and questioning his mental and physical health. They should be in front of the press daily.

    Show the people the Democrats are fighting for them. Show them you are trying. That’s how you build support. They need to do something, because right now the silence is deafening.

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  • #145070

    have been saying since 2016 that the democrats don’t seem to stand for anything,

    Only since 2016?

    It’s time for my favourite West Wing quote, isn’t it?

    CROUCH
    You ran great guns in the campaign. It was an insurgency, boy, a sight to
    see. And then you drove to the middle of the road the moment after you took the oath. Just the middle of the road. Nothing but a long line painted yellow.
    BARTLET
    Excuse me, sir…

    CROUCH
    I wanted to retire five years ago. But I waited for a Democrat. I wanted a
    Democrat. Hmm! And instead I got you.

    […]

    BARTLET
    In three years, I would hope to be running for reel…

    CROUCH
    You’re gonna get beat in three years.

    BARTLET
    That’s a little pessimistic, Joseph.

    CROUCH
    American voters like guts. And Republicans have got ‘em. In the three years,
    one of them is gonna beat you.

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  • #145073

    Honestly a lot of the democrats problems would be solved if they just found a charismatic candidate.

     

    (Of course you can argue Trump isn’t charismatic either but I think that to his voter base, he is very charismatic)

    That “charismatic leader” is California governor Gavin Newsom.

    He has been trolling Trump and standing up to him. He got a redistricting proposition passed that will make California lean even more blue. He has been stepping up on the international stage. Unfortunately, he’s not the progressive leader the country needs. He’s the typical center-right Democrat we always get.

    Newsome was willing to have a ton of awful, awful people like Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk on his podcast and agreed with them on a bunch of social issues, such as trans rights.  That right there will cost him enough voters. The Dems have been skewing right for decades and assuming that the left will vote for them because who else can they vote for?  The problem is that to a lot of people, you can only vote for the lesser evil so many times before you decide that the only moral decision is to not participate in evil.

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