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So in an attempt to stave off financial ruin, many musicians are exploring the idea of streaming gigs. Not exactly a new idea, but most of them haven’t even considered this before. I’ve “attended” one and have two more lined up in the next couple of weeks. At this rate, I’ll have my entire (cancelled) concert diary filled up again.
Here’s my thoughts on Iona Fyfe’s attempts on Friday night.
http://dmeadows.co.uk/music/ionafyfe-2020.html
And this is what she sounds like:
Here’s my thoughts on Iona Fyfe’s attempts on Friday night. http://dmeadows.co.uk/music/ionafyfe-2020.html
Great review!
Great review David but looking at the website design I think it should have copyright 1998 at the bottom, a bit of a typo there.
To your question in there about the payment, I would suspect with a specialist audience like that most probably did pay. I listen to a few podcasts that ask for contributions and are pretty niche and they often report people paying over the recommended amount. There’s a guy who does rugby videos on Youtube which anyone can watch for free, they are of very high quality to the extent he’s started doing some for the BBC but at the end he lists the top tier Patreon users and he has a couple of hundred people paying $7 a video. He has 512 overall and the tiers start at $1 and you get nothing extra for the $7 apart from the listing at the end so that’s a huge proportion paying the top whack.
I think if it’s a big name artist that people assume is rich anyway the proportion having a free look would be massive.
I designed the web site in 2002 I think, and if the design worked then it should still work now. Open a novel on your shelf and ask yourself if the page design has changed in the last 100 years. No? That’s because the way to lay out text in a readable form is well understood and has been for centuries :P
I know you’re kidding, but web design is something I take seriously. I studied UI design, page design, and book design, considered accessibility and readability measures (at the time, all this was literally my job), and designed a web site to deliver a simple page of text with no frills, and I believe it does that. If I was going to change one thing it would be making the margins more intelligent so they adapted to the reading window, and that’s a pretty simple change I’ve been planning for ages but never got round to.
From just yesterday! (I want to live at John’s house.)
“Long As I Can See the Light” is maybe my favorite Fogerty tune, and I haven’t seen John play keyboard in decades.(“Seen” Just clips in studios and such. He plays everything on a couple of albums, like the first Blue Ridge Rangers.
Happy for you to post them, you’re certain to find stuff I like but have overlooked.
But honestly, there is so much of this around now, I can’t keep up with it. I could watch a streaming gig every night from people I like, sometimes more than one a night. It’s actually impractical to keep up with it all.
Which is good thing :)
I have very positive memories of the 1970s, Todd.
That song is definitely NOT one of them.
This is the better version of that song.
Igorrr’s latest album dropped a couple of weeks ago… it’s pretty good, as usual. Actually, it’s a pretty good soundtrack for the pandemic =P
@DAVIDM, Warren Ellis wrote this in his latest Orbital Operations email newsletter:
I’ve been reading A NEW DAY YESTERDAY: UK PROGRESSIVE ROCK AND THE 1970S, by Mike Barnes, which isn’t a bad book, although some of the more striking stories and quotes so far seem largely sourced from other biographies rather than the extensive interviews he undertook. The problem is, you read the expansive descriptions of some of the musics he discusses, and then you go to YouTube to give them a listen, and…
…well, I always enjoy reading about innovative artistic movements, and there was a lot of invention happening there in a unique period in popular music and its industry and space, but…
…I just don’t like prog rock.
If you do, you will love this book. And it’s pretty readable so far, and Barnes’ personal perceptions of these works are really quite inspiring. They relate to what I’m actually hearing not at all, but I’d like to hear things that sound like what Barnes describes.
And it is teaching me things. Frankly, I could have done with a lot less Pink Floyd and a lot more about Ron Geesin, a sort of one man electronic sound lab from darkest Ayrshire, who I hadn’t been aware of previous to reading this book. So thanks for that, Mike Barnes!
I have it, but I’m only on chapter two so far. It’s a 600 page book, so I’m not attempting to read it continuously. The format makes it suit reading a single chapter at a time, in between other books. So it should take me about a year to finish. Or, about how long it takes to absorb a good prog rock album
Happened upon my daughter watching this this morning. It’s Dua Lipa performing on James Corden’s chat show with everyone on webcams from home.
Yes it’s obvious the sound is all pre-recorded and they’re miming (it would sound like shit otherwise through laptop and iPad microphones) but I still find it impressive they put together a package like that from web cams, including the backing dancers and singers.
Also a very good pop tune, catchy.
Yeah, my son is a fan of Dua Lipa and I think she’s pretty good. I’ll have to show him that.
Here’s a duo who did it live without miming. It’s probably easier without backing dancers.
Also a very good prog tune. Not catchy
It’s excellent but to be fair it’s also pretty clear they have home studios set up there. It can definitely be done but you need the right equipment, you can even hear on the Corden clip how tinny Dua Lipa’s voice sounds through her laptop once the music ends.
The irony is that the smaller acts are probably more likely to have a better setup at home because hiring professional studio time is really expensive.
Tim Burgess, singer with The Charlatans has been doing Twitter listens for various albums over the past few days. Basically everyone listens at home and he gets the band members on to chat about it. Yesterday they did ‘Mwng’ by Superfurryanimals which is a favourite of mine.
One funny thing to come out of it was their US embassy stories. Normally tourists or short business trip travellers to the US from the UK can just get an ESTA visa online, takes about 5 minutes, but touring acts have to go to the embassy. So Burgess said he first met Gruff Rhys (singer of the Furries) in the waiting room for a US visa to tour. Gruff then said the first time he went he was sat next to Lemmy and Spandau Ballet. Then a member of the Happy Mondays came in with his anecdotes (their visa was denied because Bez turned up hungover and was sick in a bin).
So it seems if you are a music groupie the best place to be for autographs is the waiting room for visas at the US embassy in London.
This is the list of albums they’ll be covering: https://timstwitterlisteningparty.com/
(David Bowie is on the list – I am assuming he’ll not be conducting a seance but chatting with the producer or something).
Album-by-album who sang what, then a full chronology of Doobie Brothers line-ups! I’ve read whole books without this much clear information!
I really like a lot of the Manic music but I have always loved their attitude.
While the likes of Bono lecture they go and do. In 1999 when people were being price gouged for New Year’s Eve celebrations, with even some standard pubs charging £25 to get in they put on a stadium gig in Cardiff and charged a flat fee of £20, losing loads of money because all the staff were being paid triple time or more.
So here they’ll lose money again with the free gig for NHS staff, because it’s the right thing to do.
Inner Self by Sepultura has got to be one of the best metal songs. Up there with Angel of Death in my opinion.
I have very positive memories of the 1970s, Todd.
That song is definitely NOT one of them.
This is the better version of that song.
For ever I have assumed that the Wurzels when mentioned were those puppet characters – the Wombles. Two completely different things. Mind = blown.
The song Todd posted was immediately familiar to me but I couldn’t place it immediately. The melody was deployed for the jingle to a now-defunct amusement park:
This is the list of albums they’ll be covering:
Ooh, Be Here Now in a few weeks; nice one.
For ever I have assumed that the Wurzels when mentioned were those puppet characters – the Wombles. Two completely different things. Mind = blown.
That wasn’t even The Wurzels’ biggets hit, this was….
It’s a great career, just rip off other songs, change the lyrics and sing in a west country farmer’s accent and it becomes an even bigger hit.
A while ago I picked up Lily Allen’s latest album “No Shame” because it had some high acclaim and have recently been listening to it. Musically it is pretty good, not amazing but has very varied styles and I suspect Mark Ronson who (despite coming across as a bit of dick) is very talented musically helped.
However what struck me is I think she’s Britain’s best current lyricist by far. Every song is about something, there’s no ‘la la la I love you’ stuff. It tackles addiction, having to leave her kids because of work pressures, toxic social media, a step father’s role.
One was very poignant because my wife is a career high flyer and she often works very long hours and comes back after the kids have gone to bed. She’s awesome and does as much as she can with them, planning activities on weekends, but they do want more time. Lily does a song called ‘Three’ which they heard me playing in the car and it struck a chord about her guilt at having to go off on tour and leave them behind. They ask me to skip to the track, we discuss it and it helps them understand.
Wow Lily Allen has changed a lot from when I used to listen to her. Smile, Not Fair, and Alfie(which was about young boy who listened to his big Sis and went off to be famous for losing his penis on a little show called GoT) are nothing like Three. She still has a beautiful voice and I agree she is a wonderful lyricist.
Wow Lily Allen has changed a lot from when I used to listen to her. Smile, Not Fair, and Alfie(which was about young boy who listened to his big Sis and went off to be famous for losing his penis on a little show called GoT) are nothing like Three
She plays with a lot of genres on the album really. There’s a dancehall track on there that’s pretty similar to Smile. It’s not all ballads like Three.
I “went to” a folk festival yesterday. Seven hours of music from around 18 different acts, all playing in their own houses. Many of them I would have been seeing live this year anyway if I’d had the chance, so really this was unmissable:
Double post because the forum was going really slow and I lost patience
So as I can’t delete, I’ll change it to a different video. Here’s one of my favourite singers with a cover of somebody I’ve never heard of:
Had this song on my iPod for decades, but never realized how sexually charged the lyrics are:
I was just part of a film quiz team (online, locked down) and they had a trailer round, with lots of trailer clips and one trailer’s soundtrack.
It was this one, and it’s a very good remix;
Lockdown music:
Lockdown music:
depeche mode – never let me out again
vengaboys – boom boom boom boom you must stay in your room
spice girls – if you wannabe my lover you gotta stay in your house
pink floyd – stay in you crazy diamond
queen -another one has a cough
boney m – qua qua quarantine russia’s greatest love machine
depeche mode – never let me out again
Personally I’m more partial to “I just can’t get a cough”but that’ll probably change if I contract the disease.
Ever since Gabi Delgado, the singer of DAF (Deutsch Amerikanische Freundschaft) died a few weeks back I’ve leaned heavily into listening to Synth, EBM and Synthpop. Man, I had a good taste in music when I was a teenager.
Beach Boys: “In My Room”
Billy Idol: “Dancing With Myself”
Bee Gees: One (Is the Loneliest Number)”
And, of course,
the “Theme from ‘Gilligan’s Island'”.
Quite appreciating Radiohead’s move of upping a live show to YouTube each week – there are 4 so far here (if the link works):
The Buenos Aires show in particular features a great setlist, noting that my bias is for Ok Computer and In Rainbows tracks.
In related news, Radiohead guitarist Ed O’Brien has released a solo album, Earth, under the recording name EOB. Definitely worth a listen if you’re a fan of the band.
I’ve heard some of the songs from it on SiriusXMU. They’re quite good.
This was recommended to me on YouTube:
In related news, Radiohead guitarist Ed O’Brien has released a solo album, Earth, under the recording name EOB. Definitely worth a listen if you’re a fan of the band.
It’s alright stuff. He seems like a very nice guy though.
The new Pearl Jam album GIGATON is a refreshing change of pace from the band. I’ve been enjoying this track for a month or so.
It’s still rock ‘n’ roll to me.
I know you shouldn’t make fun of people’s accents, but the band will now forever more be known as Yetro Tool to me
Randomly turned on Planet Rock radio a while ago and came into the middle of a guitar solo. It was obviously Steve Morse, and I was surprised that (a) I could identify a guitarist from a few bars of a solo I’ve never heard before and (b) there’s a Steve Morse solo I’ve never heard before. Then the vocal came in and confirmed it was Deep Purple, and it’s literally impossible that there’s a Deep Purple song I’ve never heard before.
Great scott! Do you know what this means?
It means there’s a new Deep Purple album coming out soon
Yetro Tool
Sounds like a background character in the Star Wars universe.
I have been listening to songs from Prince on Youtube and Itunes.
Basically, if you only know an artist strictly from their greatest hits
and not their entire albums you are doing yourself a disservice. Prince
said once that fans and critics want to say that you “peaked”
at your most successful album like PR, Thriller, Like a Virgin, even Born
in the USA, but making music is an ongoing process for the artist.
Prince could have stuck with the chords and overall funk/rock sound of PR, but he
wasn’t afraid to alienate the bandwagon jumpers and other “fans” when he
experimented with other sounds like a little jazz, more funk, r&b, pop, etc.
I find his music and later albums to be experimental and I give him a lot of
credit for taking chances.
RIP…
Prince could have stuck with the chords and overall funk/rock sound of PR, but he wasn’t afraid to alienate the bandwagon jumpers and other “fans” when he experimented with other sounds like a little jazz, more funk, r&b, pop, etc.
Prince was probably a victim of being so prolific. Especially in his 90s period putting out as many as 3 albums a year, plus songs he’d write for other people.
None of those albums is as good as his 1983-1989 peak but there’s some incredible material on there that I think would have been big hits if he hadn’t kind of drowned himself out. I need to look into the catalogue and discover more of it.
The song ‘Guitar’ from 2007 has a fantastic pop/rock riff but didn’t chart.
It was only last month I discovered the song ‘Baltimore’ from his 39th(!) album in 2015. A great pop protest song that’d be better than anything you heard if you switched in top 40 radio for a few hours.
I always liked the Smiths and a few solo Morrissey songs.
I recently read the Wiki and a few other news snippets on the
guy. He comes across to me as weird with his vegetarianism and
views and he performed on a late night talk show wearing some
racist pin that the host didn’t know about until it was too late.
Does this mean I shouldn’t like his songs?
I missed this when performed a couple of months back. I’d only heard of ‘Dave’ (no jokes Wallace) because of him dragging a kid on stage at Glastonbury.
What a truly brilliant song and performance. The best mic drop I’ve ever seen.
Does this mean I shouldn’t like his songs?
How do you feel about Bill Cosbys jokes?
Does this mean I shouldn’t like his songs?
How do you feel about Bill Cosbys jokes?
It’s funny that you mention Bill Cosby.
I used to love this song. But after everything broke loose, I had a problem listening to it. It felt tainted and corrupted.
Separating the artist from the art is complex and not always consistent. In some cases we can enjoy the art and hate the artist while other times, we can’t. The art and the artist are too intertwined to separate.
I think about Woody Allen’s movies. He has made some genuinely funny films but the accusations and life choices in relation to him reaching new heights of late, it can be difficult to enjoy his work.
Really, these things can only be looked on a case by case basis and through one’s own personal beliefs and biases.
I think about Woody Allen’s movies. He has made some genuinely funny films but the accusations and life choices in relation to him reaching new heights of late, it can be difficult to enjoy his work.
Roman Polanski is a not entirely dissimilar case, and a sore point for many. The outrage seemed palpable wen he won awards at the Cesar ceremony in France a couple of months back, so much so that there were protests arranged, expressions of internal strife from members of the french film community, all the while Polanski had pulled out of attending the ceremony out of fear.
I could probably watch a Polanski film and enjoy it without any qualms, but not because I’m at all ok with any of his actions, but because I can’t link his directing (that I probably wouldn’t recognize as his if I didn’t know about it before viewing) to his person.
Cosby is interesting in this regard, because his image and fame is for a lot of people synonymous to that of the playful goofball and loving family man, Cliff Huxtable. The two images, Cosby as a convicted serial rapist and Huxtable as a beloved father figure, are doomed to discomfort at least some viewers.
I saw Seinfeld speak about this on The Late Show and while at first saying he could and would separate the artist from his art in the case of Cosby, he actually changed his mind during the commercial break for reasons similar to the above.
Cosby is interesting in this regard, because his image and fame is for a lot of people synonymous to that of the playful goofball and loving family man, Cliff Huxtable. The two images, Cosby as a convicted serial rapist and Huxtable as a beloved father figure, are doomed to discomfort at least some viewers.
That’s a good point actually. His work also has a high degree of moralising, be it the little morality plays that sitcoms often form or his rants about how black youth should behave.
It makes it much more difficult to divorce the work from the man than if he were say a painter or musician.
Cosby’s not an artist though… I mean, sure he was an “actor” for a while, but let’s be real, he’s a “personality”… so the good news is that yes, you can separate him from his art, ’cause he has no such thing =)
but let’s be real, he’s a “personality”…
This is as good a proof of the point I was trying make as it gets. Not judging or defending his character but Cosby was definitly an artist in some capacity. Look at Fat Albert, the most famous of the many roles he played in Fat Albert and the Cosby kids, and set that character up for measuring against Cosbys stand-up comedy persona and Cliff Huxtable. Add the serial rapist to the mix and you have four distinct characters. Cosbys stand-up is reminiscent of both Albert and Huxtable, but that’s exactly what artists do: They pour parts of themselves into their art to make it relatable and real.
I dunno… I try to separate “performers” from “artists”… otherwise it gets too muddled… Mind you, not that there’s anything wrong with being a performer, it’s not like it’s a “lower class of artist” or anything like that, it’s just two different things.
Anyone knows if he wrote his own stuff? Honestly I’ve never seen his stand ups ’cause his comedy was always too flat for me, but I’m guessing he at least wrote some of that (I’m assuming the show was mostly written by the show’s writers)…
I dunno
Correct.
Definitions:
RIP Little Richard:
I dunno
Correct.
Definitions:
per•form•er
- n. One who performs, accomplishes, or fulfils.
- n. One who performs or takes part in a play or performance of any kind; an actor, actress, musician, circus-rider, etc.
- n. One who performs, accomplishes, or fulfills; ; especially, one who shows skill and training in any art
art•ist
- n. One, such as a painter, sculptor, or writer, who is able by virtue of imagination and talent or skill to create works of aesthetic value, especially in the fine arts.
- n. A person whose work shows exceptional creative ability or skill.
- n. One, such as an actor or singer, who works in the performing arts.
I also dunno. I like Jon’s way of keeping them separate. If we’re going to have two different terms then they might as well mean different things, and the separation of performer as “one who performs [other people’s art]” and artist as “one who creates art” seems useful to me.
Though it leaves a grey area around how much creativity is involved in the “interpretation” of someone else’s art. I’m not sure how you would assess that.
Defying the lazy journalistic cliche of how punk supplanted progressive rock, here’s King Crimson and Toyah Wilcox performing Bowie:
When looking up information on Christopher Cross, I learned the following:
Although best known for his vocals, Cross’s guitar-playing is such that it once led to an unfulfilled invitation to play with Donald Fagen and Walter Becker of Steely Dan. He also played guitar during a Deep Purple concert in 1970 when Ritchie Blackmore fell ill shortly before the show.
As a reminder, this Christopher Cross:
I like Jon’s way of keeping them separate. If we’re going to have two different terms then they might as well mean different things, and the separation of performer as “one who performs [other people’s art]” and artist as “one who creates art” seems useful to me
Now we just need to answer the extremely easy question of “what is art?”
When looking up information on Christopher Cross, I learned the following:
The unspoken question, of course, is: “Why were you researching Christopher Cross in the first place?!”
Also, it should be noted that Cross would have been 19 years old in 1970 when he played guitar at that Deep Purple concert. Pretty impressive.
The unspoken question, of course, is: “Why were you researching Christopher Cross in the first place?!”
Christel’s family and I were talking about how much we enjoyed his music and wondered how old he was.
Now we just need to answer the extremely easy question of “what is art?”
It’s what artist do. Duh.
Just finished watching a Webcast Concert for the Holiday of Lag B’omer.
Meanwhile, I heard that a popular setting to a mash-up of two Jewish hymns is Cheb Khaled’s “C’est la vie”. It’s forbidden to listen to instrumental music between Passover and Lag B’Omer, so I just checked it out….and yeah:
Now we just need to answer the extremely easy question of “what is art?”
It’s what artist do. Duh.
Not what performers do?
Listening to some Florence and the Machine songs on YouTube.
VERY talented voice, not just that Calvin Harris remix song…
There was a posting someone made there about how she gets into
a style for an album and then changes to another style the next
album and some fans don’t like the switches. Sound familiar? The
poster went on to say that artists evolve and have their right to
experiment with their music. Interesting.
Please finish this:
If you like Florence and the Machine, you should also check out….
You know Garjones…
It was said that the people at Warner Brothers didn’t like Prince’s “transformations” like his album’s sound “Under the Cherry Moon” with horns and so on. They complained that his single “Kiss” was stripped down and basic, and not as … elaborate … as PR. Even though “Kiss” was a big hit, still they had something to say. I guess that started his rebellion and years later he wrote SLAVE on his cheek.
Just saying…
I can understand it. He had a huge hit with Purple Rain as a brilliant mix of rock and a bit of funk and then Around The World in a Day suddenly decided to go psychedelic. Then Parade which includes Kiss is probably his most experimental. It includes a lot of songs where there’s a classical theme under the songs that’s daringly atonal.
I Wonder U a good example.
That is exactly why I love Prince though. Every one of the acts or bands that I love best straddle genres. I get really bored with the same sound again and again. He may have made more money recording a Purple Rain 2 but that’s not for me.
As to your previous request.
If you like Florence and the Machine, you should also check out…. Kate Bush
I’m running an alternative European Song Contest tonight. It’s like the real one, but with good music.
I have 17 songs from 16 European countries plus Australia ( ). Vote for your favourites.
From Denmark, Fall of Episteme with “Guiding Star”
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