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  • #52447

    Being serious, who is the dressing up and sexy dancing for?

    I’ll admit I’ve never been to a [insert name of sexy young female entertainer] concert, so I’m making assumptions here, but how much of [sexy young female entertainer]’s audience is horny adolescent males? Because from what little I’ve seen on TV, [sexy young female entertainer]’s fanbase is actually female (and, statistically, probably straight).

    So, uh, why the sexy dress and dancing, [sexy young female entertainer]? It’s not actually what your core audience needs.

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  • #52450

    That suggests that a female singer dressing up and dancing sexily can only be for the gratification of males.

    Which would be as silly as saying that a male superhero wearing skin-tight clothing and saving his girlfriend could only possibly appeal to female readers.

    Young girls look to these pop stars as aspirational figures, cool young women that they would love to imagine themselves being or becoming. There’s a fantasy wish-fulfilment aspect to it that’s arguably a lot bigger a part of the popstar concept than just satisfying the desires of the minority male audience.

  • #52453

    That suggests that the thing young girls aspire to is dressing and dancing sexily. I find that slightly disappointing.

    I mean, I have no objection at all if that really is what women want, they are free to choose whatever. But I am slightly disappointed.

  • #52468

    That suggests that the thing young girls aspire to is dressing and dancing sexily. I find that slightly disappointing.

    Any more disappointing than boys aspiring to be muscle-bound and punching things?

    (Or in the music world, the excesses of a male rock star?)

    It’s all fairly blunt and basic stuff but it obviously has its appeal.

  • #52471

    Yeah I mean, no one aspires to be a boring fat ugly unsexy slob… that just kinda happens =P

  • #52500

    That suggests that the thing young girls aspire to is dressing and dancing sexily. I find that slightly disappointing.

    That’s kind of the thing though isn’t it. Sexism is instilled into all of us by being represented in society. With girls, it goes from pink onesies to Barbies to sexy popstars, creating somebody who has learned that the most important thing in life is to look and be sexy.

    It’s not just about how men view women (and men), but also about how women view women (and men).

    Like I said, that’s why I think it’s pretty cool that Eilish is providing a different idea of what being sexy means.

    Anyway, I am pretty sure stuff like that first Britney Spears video had a pretty gender diverse fanbase.

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  • #52542

    That suggests that the thing young girls aspire to is dressing and dancing sexily.

    IMO, it is not the dressing and dancing that they aspire to, it is the popularity and love these artists seem to have.

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  • #52558

    That suggests that the thing young girls aspire to is dressing and dancing sexily.

    IMO, it is not the dressing and dancing that they aspire to, it is the popularity and love these artists seem to have.

    But then it turns into a circular argument. You don’t need to do that because your audience doesn’t want it, but you need to do it because your audience wants you to be popular and loved, but you don’t need to do it to be popular and loved if your audience doesn’t want it, but…

    Can’t somebody just tell young girls to ignore the visuals and listen to the musical ability, to break the cycle? :unsure:

     

  • #52566

    Can’t somebody just tell young girls to ignore the visuals and listen to the musical ability, to break the cycle?

    Let’s be honest though, this is not just a “young girls” thing, this is the music business in general. So much stuff is sold on image and non-music aspects, especially to younger listeners, that it’s no surprise that the most popular artists often aren’t the best musicians.

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  • #52586

    And considering the music in question, maybe they should focus on the visuals instead =P

  • #52637

    Well, they’d be listening to different music if they didn’t, was David’s point I think.

    But enough of the bemoaning of the superficiality of the music industry, let’s have some fucking early punk rock to remedy that. I recently listened to an episode of a music podcast about The Slits, and they were awesome. They were shitting all over the idea that girls should be glamorous pop stars forty years ago.

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  • #52814

    We all know that bands suffered last year as tours were cancelled and their income dried up. Many of them put their energies into recording new music, often in very difficult conditions when studios were closed and band members couldn’t even meet.

    This means that I bought more new music last year than any other year I can remember. Meaning that coming up with a traditional “best of the year” was almost impossible. But after a month of re-listening to everything I bought I’ve come up with a top 10 that looks a bit like this:

    1. Third Stage: Live in London – Flying Colors
    2. Sleepwalking – Marjana Semkina
    3. Whoosh! – Deep Purple
    4. Live and Unaccompanied – The Unthanks
    5. Live White Horses – Heather Findlay
    6. Hether Blether – Erland Cooper
    7. 1000 Hands Chapter One – Jon Anderson
    8. The Science of Goodbye – Three Colours Dark
    9. The Line – Kalandra
    10. Prayers of the Rosary – Mediaeval Baebes
    11. Father – Anastasia Minster
    12. Flowers Where the Horses Sleep – Joshua Burnell
    13. Old Wow – Sam Lee

    Ok, maybe that’s more than 10 :unsure:

     

     

  • #52815

    And now for the reviews :yahoo:

    Flying Colors
    Third Stage – Live in London

    The members of Flying Colors are so busy with their other bands that their tours are rare and precious things, and always worth capturing on a live album.

    This double CD has their 2019 appearance at Shepherds Bush Empire in its entirety. The only way they can squeeze in the 2+ hour show is to cut out virtually all between-song chatter, and there’s virtually no audience interaction, but the on-stage sound mix is captured perfectly, giving the songs an energy and intensity that comes from a spontaneous live performance. And yet the sound quality is so flawless that you can pick out every part, every new guitar solo and drum fill, perfectly. Ears that have heard the albums a dozen times suddenly hear Dave LaRue’s playing so high in the mix that at times the bass feels like the lead instrument, and the separation of the three singers’ voices has never been more apparent.

    It’s a ‘greatest hits’ set from virtuoso musicians, and it showcases the diverse sides of their song writing, from the ‘Beach-Boys’ harmonies of Love Letter to the anthemic pop-rock of The Storm to the 13-minute prog complexity of Cosmic Symphony, it’s all here.

    But more than that it’s a reminder of the best concert I was ever at.

  • #52818

    Marjana Semkina
    Sleepwalking

    The first solo album from Marjana Semkina dispels the myth that she’s ‘just’ the singer of Gleb Kolyadin’s music in Iamthemorning. Because she’s written everything on here, and any one of these songs is just a virtuoso piano solo short of being an Iamthemorning song, proving how great her input into that band’s music is. The term ‘chamber prog’, which was pretty much invented to describe Iamthemorning’s brand of complex strings-and-piano-led rock music, sums up this album perfectly.

    Lyrically these songs are everything you would expect from Marjana: titles such as Lost at Sea, How to Be Alone and Everything Burns tell you everything you need to know about her world view. But everything is wrapped in such beautiful music that the effect is uplifting even when the subjects are crushingly bleak. Marjana is one of the most extraordinary writers of recent years, and her voice only goes from strength to strength with each new album.

    I’m sure she could have stretched out from her comfort zone and done something radically different if she had wanted to, but when she does this so well why should she?

  • #52859

    I give credit to Billie Eilish for being fully clothed in her appearances.

    Yet you seek out the 1 in 10,000 picture of her in a tight top for your avatar.

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  • #53017

    This is probably one of the weirdest things I’ve heard… still the guy totally nailed the Type O sound… even the voice is pretty close.

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  • #53055

    Yet you seek out the 1 in 10,000 picture of her in a tight top for your avatar.

    Calling me a hypocrite eh? Well, you got me there in a sense.

  • #53147

    And now for the reviews

    Hey, @DavidM, what happened to the rest of the reviews? I want to know your thoughts on the Jon Anderson album. I still own the vinyl version of his first solo album Olias of Sunhillow, on which he played all the instruments and recorded all the vocals.

  • #53149

    I only planned to write two reviews. Mainly because I was re-posting them from another place where I only had one text page to fill.

    Short review of 1000 Hands: Unlike 1976’s Olias of Sunhillow, on which he played all the instruments and recorded all the vocals, Jon is joined here by a multitude of guest musicians (hence the title… get it?) because, presumably, when you’ve had a career as long and illustrious as he has you’ve got a really thick address book :-)

     

     

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  • #53160

    Updated my blog with my January music reviews.

     

    January 2021 Music Roundup

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  • #53207

    That suggests that the thing young girls aspire to is dressing and dancing sexily. I find that slightly disappointing.

    Pop music has always been 90 % sex and image and 10 % music. Fans of Miley Cyrus and Billie Eilish like to be like them, self assured, a bit crazy and dangerous.

     

    If you want sexless music listen to prog or something. ;)

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  • #53227

    Puff Daddy and Jimmy page

    I need to remove those words from my brain. Should I start drinking heavily or jump straight to electric shock therapy?

    I don’t think I was familiar with Kashmir prior to hearing the Godzilla-related single; I preferred the newer version then, and I’m more likely to listen to it over the Led Zep version now.

    Let’s be honest though, this is not just a “young girls” thing, this is the music business in general. So much stuff is sold on image and non-music aspects, especially to younger listeners, that it’s no surprise that the most popular artists often aren’t the best musicians.

    Yeah, image is super important to most young people. It took me a long time to be able to completely put aside a musical artist’s looks/appearance when listening to them. I’ll still always do a Google search to see what an artist looks like and how they present themselves when first hearing them, but it’s less likely to greatly change my opinion of them.

  • #53257

    If you want sexless music listen to prog or something. ;)

    Or Phil Collins.

    Happy 70th anniversary, Sir Phil!!!

    …what do you mean, Phil Collins doesn’t have a knighthood? That’s outrageous!

  • #53288

    So this is how you discover music in 2021.

    In my youth I’d watch Top of the Pops, listen to BBC radio, read magazines like Select to get a broad overview of many genres.

    All gone in that form.

    I listened today to a sports podcast, loved a bassline from the theme tune, unplugged my headphones to play it through the phone speaker and switched on Shazam. It said it was this which I called up on Youtube:

    Love the song, I prefer the old version of finding it which wouldn’t have taken me 5 years.

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  • #53322

    and switched on Shazam.

    I use Shazam a lot, usually to find out the name/artist of a song I’m hearing on the radio, or to help me remember a song so I can add it to a Spotify playlist later.

    Most recently, I use Shazam when I hear a catchy song on a television commercial or program; it’s a really handy app.

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  • #53327

    and switched on Shazam.

    I use Shazam a lot, usually to find out the name/artist of a song I’m hearing on the radio, or to help me remember a song so I can add it to a Spotify playlist later.

    Most recently, I use Shazam when I hear a catchy song on a television commercial or program; it’s a really handy app.

    Shazam has become an auxiliary memory for me.

  • #53355

    I don’t think I was familiar with Kashmir prior to hearing the Godzilla-related single; I preferred the newer version then, and I’m more likely to listen to it over the Led Zep version now.

    This story just gets worse all the time. Are you implying that there’s a version of Kashmir with rapping on it, and that Jimmy Page actually sanctioned this?

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  • #53357

    It’s bandcamp friday!!!! :yahoo:

    bandcamp.com

     

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  • #53358

    It’s bandcamp friday!!!!

    Have fun, but be careful as not to stick a flute up your ass!

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  • #53392

    Are you implying that there’s a version of Kashmir with rapping on it, and that Jimmy Page actually sanctioned this?

    Yes. Page is in the video, and recorded the guitar part anew for the song.

  • #53401

    Are you trying to kill David?

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  • #53416

    I have this one drinking buddy that likes to preface any story with “this one time at beer camp”

  • #53451

    Are you trying to kill David?

    David has a choice: Adapt or….something…

  • #53466

    It’s bandcamp friday!!!!

    Have fun, but be careful as not to stick a flute up your ass!

    Again.

  • #53491

    It’s bandcamp friday!!!!

    Have fun, but be careful as not to stick a flute up your ass!

    Again.

    And if you do at least have the goddamn common courtesy to send us some images.

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  • #53536

    Are you trying to kill David?

    David has a choice: Adapt or….something…

    I choose something!

     

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  • #53539

    I choose something!

    Yesterday I chose to listen to the first four ELO albums (via Spotify) while I worked from home. I’m not unhappy.

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  • #53550

    Meanwhile, to prove that I am well up on modern music, I have been listening to Fergus McCreadie’s new album for the past few days:

  • #53561

    Meanwhile, to prove that I am well up on modern music, I have been listening to Fergus McCreadie’s new album for the past few days:

    That video is two weeks old, man. Get with the times!

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  • #53675

    She’s very good (and cute to boot):

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  • #53687

    She’s very good (and cute to boot):

    Phoebe Bridgers’ latest album is one of my current favorites.

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  • #55063

    ‘It’s pretty Metal’ says man who turned his uncle’s skeleton into a guitar

    Florida musician says this was ‘the best way to honor’ the man who introduced him to Heavy Metal.
    ————–

    This brings a tear to my eye and I am totally holding up the Ronnie James Dio secret devil sign right now.

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  • #55454

    PURE BEAUTY!

  • #55510

    Oops!

    Story about Florida man’s skeleton guitar appears to be a hoax, say local reporters

    Musician dubbed Prince Midnight stands by his claim that he turned his uncle’s bones into a ‘Skelecaster’

    A Florida musician who claims to have built a guitar from his uncle’s skeleton bears “a striking resemblance” to a known local prankster, say two reporters covering the story.

    Last week, a Tampa rocker calling himself Prince Midnight told As It Happens that he’d made a guitar using the medically prepared skeleton of his late Uncle Filip, a “super metal head” who died in a car accident in the mid-’90s.

    Since then, two Tampa reporters — Christopher Spata at the Tampa Bay Times and Ray Roa at the alt-weekly Creative Loafing — have questioned the story’s veracity, noting Midnight looks an awful lot like a local punk rocker/performance artist with a penchant for fooling newspapers.

    “I don’t want to be the person that says Santa Claus isn’t real, but I do believe you’ve been duped,” Roa, editor-in-chief of Creative Loafing, told As It Happens host Carol Off on Monday.

    “Do I want it to be true? One hundred per cent, no doubt. It’s one of the greatest backstories and most metal things ever in the capital of death metal — Tampa, Florida.”

    Midnight has not returned phone calls from As It Happens since his interview on Thursday, but said in an email that his story was not a hoax. Any reports insinuating otherwise, he said, are “reckless” and “libelous.”

    He would not answer questions asking for information that could corroborate his account. When pressed further, he asked that CBC cease contacting him because his lawyer “agrees that these threats to publicly call me a liar, and otherwise defame me, constitute unpleasant harassment and an abuse of the freedom of the press.”

    More in the link, with accounts of previous hoaxes…

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  • #55693

    There’s a new Mogwai album!

     

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  • #55879

    Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis on how ‘Control’ and Janet Jackson ‘revolutionized female artistry’ 35 years ago

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  • #56035

    Daft Punk Break Up

    https://pitchfork.com/news/daft-punk-call-it-quits/

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  • #56312

    Massively into The Hold Steady again, where I’m essentially just listening to a shuffled playlist of all of their songs every day. Their latest album came out last week and it’s not grabbing me yet – I felt similarly about their last album which came out in 2019 but I only fell in love with a few months ago, so we’ll see what happens.

    One of the things with this group and this lyricist is that many of the songs feature a consistent, small set of characters – this is spread over all of the band’s albums – I’ve not heard of anything like this before, the scope and ambition. I’d liken it to someone writing a (long) novel, not publishing it and instead writing songs based around the characters and events over ~20 years, not necessarily in chronological order, with a lot of overlapping.

    The unofficial fan forum includes a 15 page thread of someone trying to outline the “plot” of this story based on lines from the songs, just a massive undertaking that can be overwhelming – luckily most of the songs stand on their own. This track from their 2014 album has always been one of my favourites – Spinners.

    Like many of their songs it’s about a woman, with the singer narrating her story but also giving advice –

    Never let them tie you up
    It’s a big city, there’s a lot of love
    Salted rims and frosted mugs
    You gotta get back out there
    Flat champagne and inbound trains
    Soft hands and phantom pains
    Never let them tie you up
    It’s a big city, there’s a lot of love

    It’s all a bit vicarious for me, never having been a big bar/club guy; so many of the songs are about bars and clubs and gigs and drinking, and a fair bit of hard drugs and crime too – all these stories of people sniffing margarita mix, and blood on the buttons when you pick up the phone, and pipes made from Pringles cans, and diamonds wrapped up in dishtowels, and steak knives on jacket sleeves, yet the frontman/lyricist kinda looks like an accountant (no offence to accountants).

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  • #56317

    I was into The Hold Steady’s music in the mid-00s (Boys & Girls In America, Stay Positive), but I’ve never really enjoyed Craig Finn’s voice so I could never really immerse myself in their songs. But since getting a Spotify account, lately I’ve been digging into the back catalogs of random acts that I haven’t listened to in a while; for instance yesterday I listened to the first four or five Fleetwood Mac studio albums from the Peter Green/Jeremy Spencer days. Maybe today I will revisit Finn and the rest of The Hold Steady. Thanks for the inspiration, @Andrew.

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  • #56322

    I’ve not heard of anything like this before, the scope and ambition. I’d liken it to someone writing a (long) novel, not publishing it and instead writing songs based around the characters and events over ~20 years, not necessarily in chronological order, with a lot of overlapping.

    Not to detract from The Hold Steady, but Coheed and Cambria also do this (and I think did it first). They also produce companion comics for each of their albums, and — as I’ve just discovered while searching for a video to share — have a line of action figures for the characters :D

    I’m not a fan of C&C (or The Hold Steady), but I do admire the ambition of bands like that.

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  • #56355

    Thanks David, I should have figured a prog/prog-ish act would obviously have taken concept albums to the next level – it does appear though that their albums and tracks are in a logical order; The Hold Steady approach appears much more mixed up with some songs from the album 2 years ago seemingly set prior to some of the events from songs on their second album. Sometimes characters are named in songs (Holly, Gideon, Charlemagne being the main three) but often they’re not so you can only piece it together (if you even want to) by delving into the lyrics a bit deeper.

    My favourite track (The Stove and the Toaster) from their 2019 album I thought was a stand-alone crime tale, unrelated to the wider THS story but there’s speculation that it is linked – it doesn’t have to be (and I’d rather it wasn’t since I spent last year sketching out a comic based on it that doesn’t follow the THS story).

    Let’s just say they owe me a favor
    I did something for ’em; what it is doesn’t matter
    Here’s what’s important: it’s gonna be easy, it’s gonna be simple
    Put it up to his temple; he’s expecting our call
    Yeah they know our intentions
    They approve of our methods
    They consider us partners
    Going in through the window
    Leave through the terrace
    They still owe me a favor
    What it is doesn’t matter
    ‘Cause they got earpiece dudes in a fortified fortress
    And a wholesale crew that does pretty big business
    I got something we can do in Las Cruces
    Got some new information from the chef and the chauffeur
    They put the stash in the stove they keep the cash in the toaster
    Down in Las Cruces they don’t play with jokers
    I hope I still know you when this is all over
    When the song gets to the climax, of the score not being there, and the music drops out before a really fitting guitar solo kicks in – it’s all so perfectly tuned.
    Jerry, I totally get Craig’s voice not being for everyone – folks, he often talks and barks more than he sings, especially on the first three albums. If you’re getting back into them I’d recommend 2019’s “Thrashing thru the passion”, which is a tight set of tracks with hooks and choruses, and a bit more of the Springsteen feel than the prior three albums (“Heaven is whenever” is my low point; other fans seem to think “Teeth dreams” is the weakest (due to more commercial production and supposedly lazier lyrics).
    The other thing I like is that the lyrics are often funny:
    She said she was a dancer, but her steps they made the records skip
    Baby, take off your beret – everyone’s a critic and most people are DJs. And everything gets played.
    I’ve been trying to get people to call me Freddy Knuckles; people keep calling me Right Said Fred
    I guess I heard about “original sin”, I heard the dude blamed the chick, I heard the chick blamed the snake. I heard they were naked when they got busted, and things haven’t been the same since.
    We didn’t go to Dallas ‘cos Jackie Onassis said that it ain’t safe for Catholics yet. Think about what they pulled on Kennedy, then think about his security, then think about what they might try to pull on you and me.
    Sorry I’m late – I got caught in the mosh with this dude who said he used to play with Peter Tosh, but he never brought it up again when I said “Man, I don’t believe you”
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  • #56391

    Oh god. Yes are issuing 10 live shows from the Union tour ina box set of 30 discs.

    This is going to be expensive :wacko:

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  • #56873

    I have my Feb blog post written. I was very excited about Mogwai getting to number 1 in the UK. :D

     

    February music round up.

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  • #57023

    https://isitbandcampfriday.com/

    :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

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  • #57127

    The Wiggles (yes, those Wiggles) covering Tame Impala’s Elephant:

    The original:

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  • #57154

    I discovered recently that Z Berg, the lead singer of defunct 00s indie band The Like, has been doing some solo stuff recently. Last I saw she was in the underwhelming pop rock band JJAMZ (apparently pronounced juh-jams, until they changed the name of the band to Phases anyway) and I stopped paying attention. But her solo stuff is a world away from that, feeling more like a dark tangent from the first The Like album, Are You Thinking What I’m Thinking (the second went for a poppier, 60s girl group sound, which was still good, but different). I really like it.

    The album, Get Z To A Nunnery on Spotify:

     

  • #57162

    The Wiggles are all great musicians who deserve much respect. They write their own songs (which is more than you can say for many chart acts) and have put out literally three full albums every year for decades, and they cross into every musical style you care to name. There was a article in Guitar magazine a few years ago which named their guitar player as the most influential guitarist in the world (probably tongue-in-cheek, but you can see their reasoning).

    I mean, they’re no Wombles, but still…  :rose:

     

     

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  • #57193

    Protesters demand withdrawal of Cyprus’ ‘satanic’ Eurovision entry

    This makes me think of a joke from Crossballs.

    “It’s called El Diablo! EL DIABLO! Explain that!”

    “It’s from Spain.”

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  • #57214

    I only saw snippets of this interview and I was pleasantly surprised it was on Youtube…

    I love David Bowie for this:

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  • #57222

    Protesters demand withdrawal of Cyprus’ ‘satanic’ Eurovision entry

    This makes me think of a joke from Crossballs.

    “It’s called El Diablo! EL DIABLO! Explain that!”

    “It’s from Spain.”

    The song’s performer, Greek artist Elena Tsagrinou, said the song is about a woman who cries out for help after falling for a “bad boy” known as “El Diablo” and coming to identify and bond with her abuser. Tsagrinou insisted that any other interpretation is “unfounded”.

    Aw. Now I’m kinda disappointed.

    By the way, Cyprus. Fucking beautiful place. I’ve only been to the Turkish side up to this point, but that was really great, and the island has a fascinating history and it has a kind of Berlin-during-the-cold-war situation going on with Nicosia. What I’m saying is, people should go there. Both to the Greek and the Turkish parts of it. Also, the Turkish part is kind of British, so there’s that.

    Also, that disappointingly non-Satanic song is kind of shit:

    (And has some really weird product placement in the video.)

  • #57243

    It looks like softcore porn. And sounds like standard Eurovision stuff.

    Nothing out of Eurovision will, hopefully, ever be as horrible as that israeli track that won a couple of years back and nothing will ever be as great as this:

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  • #57244

    Obligatory:

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  • #57245

    Also, I genuinely think this is one of the best songs to come out of Eurovision is years.

  • #57247

    When that song won, I knew it was the last time I ever watched Eurovision Song Contest without getting paid to do it.

    Eurovision is supposed to be a celebration of culture. Not an appropriation or mockery of other cultures. Fuck that stage, fuck that performance, fuck that song and fuck Eurovision.

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  • #57248

    (I know Eurovision isn’t really a celebration of other cultures, it’s just an elaborate marketing trick. Just like big two comic books aren’t about characters, and Star Wars isn’t about space adventures. They’re about selling products.)

  • #57249

    Eurovision is supposed to be a celebration of culture.

    Nah, it’s just a campy load of stupid/catchy/overly heartfelt and sincere songs. Ideally staged in as bizarre a manner as possible.

  • #57256

    Obligatory:

    Now that was proper softcore porn. I remember laughing so hard at that.

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  • #57260

    Wadde hadde dudde da?

  • #57275

    Ah, Stefan Raab. That was fun enough. Also, he did achieve his ambition of winning the ESC some years later – it was him who discovered/produced Lena and her ESC song.

  • #57293

    I only saw snippets of this interview and I was pleasantly surprised it was on Youtube…

    I love David Bowie for this:

    Bowie is 100% correct and 100% awesome in that video. I saw it many years ago but the way he rips the whole thing apart while remaining calm and civil is epic.

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    Bowie’s excellent there and the MTV guy’s arguments don’t hold water at all, as proven by the fact that they did start to show more black music – not just that appropriated by white musicians, which he was deeming safe there – and it was wildly popular with all parts of the audience.

    There was another Bowie interview clip that went round recently where he calmly dissected the “high art” market and the way it fabricates the concept of genius for its own ends, but I can’t remember if I saw that on here or Twitter.

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  • #58200

    Just discovered this German Folk Metal band called dArtagnan. They are epic:

    Ikh hub nur eine Prublayme mit dies lied: Es is zayr kirtz.

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  • #58274

    If you’re into this kind of thing, there are quite a few popular medieval/folk metal bands in Germany. Subway to Sally is the “original” one, so to speak, and In Extremo is probably the biggest.

  • #59158

    Singer B.J. Thomas Reveals Stage 4 Cancer Diagnosis

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    DMX hospitalized after suffering an overdose, heart attack: report

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    NOW THAT’S WHAT I CALL DAD ROCK Is What We Call a Weird Mix

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  • #60274

    A social media post yesterday reminded me of the existence of this song. Pop idol Martika known for a battle with Debbie Gibson in the late 80s released this song for a brief revival a couple of years later. A new kind of launch as a mature artist, it’s a very good song but then I realised why she didn’t sustain past that, it’s another of Prince’s ‘gift’ songs.

    It then led on to remind me in a similar time period of Rick Astley’s second stab at being more credible. I really like this song too but equally it was a new approach didn’t last. It has a lot of musical cliches but his voice and the gospel chorus are strong.

    I listened to a long interview with Astley a couple of years back. It was quite interesting, while most young pop stars complain about being exploited he said he made a shitload of money off his early career, he built his own home studio and just decided as he didn’t actually have to work again he’d just make music that made him happy. That then paid off when he reached 50 and his album ’50’ got to number 1 in the UK.

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  • #60445

    This article is interesting. A high powered AI tried to compose new songs by artists from the ’27 club’. Cobain Nirvana, Hendrix, Winehouse, Jim Morrison Doors.

    They are surprisingly listenable but as they do it by studying the common sounds of the full back catalogue they do tend to sound like ‘generic sing by artist x’. Bjorn Again singing an Erasure song in Abba’s style is more fun.

    In Computero: Hear How AI Software Wrote a ‘New’ Nirvana Song

     

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  • #60446

    I just turned the page in this month’s Prog magazine and saw a picture of Oasis. Gave me a bit of a shock, I must say. I had to have a sit down and a cup of tea.

    (The article is about Andy Bell, who I’ve never heard of before but I’m sure Andrew knows all about.)

     

     

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  • #60447

    Yes he’s the lead singer of Erasure. I was just talking about them.

     

  • #60449

    This one is not AI. A new single and album to follow from Prince.

    By many estimates there are several hundred fully recorded songs in the Prince ‘vault’. It’s entirely possible there could be more releases after he’s dead than many artists manage when alive.

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  • #60466

    Rick Astley’s second stab at being more credible.

    I’ve always known that song and thought of it as an immediate follow up to the big hit, but, yeah – it’s 4 years and three albums later.

    (The article is about Andy Bell, who I’ve never heard of before but I’m sure Andrew knows all about.)

    He seems a decent fellow, though I never really got into his big act which was/is Ride (shoegaze indie) – he was the songwriter, singer, lead guitarist.

    They split and he formed a new band very much in the style of Oasis – Hurricane#1 (I quite like their first album, its big single being “Step into my world”, which was used in one of the big new VW Beetle ads at the time) – he was still the songwriter and guitarist but left the vocals to someone else.

    They only had two albums and he was about to join GayDad when Noel called him up to see if he wanted to join Oasis (as bass player) – he jumped at the chance, going on to write a few songs over the band’s remaining three albums, and being part of Beady Eye until they folded. Ride since reformed and toured, and he released a solo album last year.

    I may have mentioned this earlier but the Chart Music podcast might be of interest to those of you who grew up with Top of the Pops – each episode is on a random episode of TOTP, hosted by a revolving panel of music journalists – the eps can run to 4 or 5 hours, with a detailed preamble listing all of the TV shows on all 3/4 channels ahead of that night’s TOTP, description of the set, host, performances, bios of the artists, broad discussion of that style of music or era, what was happening in the music press at the time (if applicable), and closes with a rundown of what was on TV after TOTP.

    Much of it is lost on me but it might tickle some nostalgia nubbins on some of you. I have only listened to the episodes relating to 90s TOTP, whereas most of the podcast episodes are based on 70s and 80s airdate episodes.

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  • #60478

    I tried the Chart Music podcast before, it should be right up my street but I found it a bit too rambling for my tastes, they were like an hour in and hadn’t even started on that week’s TOTP episode.

  • #60488

    He seems a decent fellow, though I never really got into his big act which was/is Ride (shoegaze indie) – he was the songwriter, singer, lead guitarist.

    I don’t know his work at all, but it sounds like he’s had a full and varied career. I suspect that the Oasis gig brought him enough money and respect that he can basically now choose to do whatever interests him, e.g. an unfashionable solo album where he plays every instrument himself, just because he can. He also filled in on bass with Pink Floyd for one gig, which gives him instant credibility in my eyes :-)

    The article was part of the regular feature, “How Prog is …”, where they pick someone considered to be outside the genre and make a case for why they are really “prog”. Usually I think they’re just trolling the readers to generate some letter page outrage, but they actually made his new album sound very interesting.

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  • #60504

    I tried the Chart Music podcast before, it should be right up my street but I found it a bit too rambling for my tastes, they were like an hour in and hadn’t even started on that week’s TOTP episode.

    Was it just a random episode or did you pick one that featured a TOTP that interested you? Some are better than others, I’ll admit – and again, I’ve only listed to a half dozen that are about 90s episodes. But fair enough.

    I suspect that the Oasis gig brought him enough money and respect

    Realistically, he probably lost respect for the Oasis gig all told, but certainly would have played to the biggest crowds of his life for a decade or so, and gets a share of the proceeds from those last three albums.

    I’ve been working my way through some Apple Music playlists, specifically the “199X: Rock Hits” ones, starting with 1994 (the best year for music? Possibly!) and up from there. It certainly gets bleak from about 1999, but something I’ve newly realised is that I quite like mid-late era Metallica, probably a period where they lost a lot of fans for “going soft”.

    This cover of the trad Irish track Whiskey in a jar, using the Thin Lizzy arrangement is really cool:

    I’d completely forgotten about this song, Hero of the day:

    And had actually always loved this track:

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  • #60515

    This cover of the trad Irish track Whiskey in a jar, using the Thin Lizzy arrangement is really cool:

    Our definitions of “cool” may differ :-)   . But I recently heard this cover of a Deep Purple song and was surprised by how much I genuinely liked it. There’s a lot of talent in the band, even if I don’t usually rate their style of music.

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  • #60519

    Was it just a random episode or did you pick one that featured a TOTP that interested you?

    It was just the latest episode when I tried it. To be honest anything from about 1980 to when it finally finished is ‘my era’ so it wasn’t that. It should be my wheelhouse but I felt it was too much natter before getting to the point. I may try it again one day as I may just have been in a bad mood as people I like praise it.

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  • #60539

    One of my favorite Metallica performances was when they did Hero of the Day with the San Francisco Symphonic Orchestra.

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  • #60551

    Well, Metallica’s Black Album/Load/Reload era was pretty good yeah, and certainly MUCH better than from St. Anger to now… u_u

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  • #60722

    My monthly round up. Late because of writers block and how much I hate WordPress.

    We have prog metal, hipster industrial, a metal/shoegaze/triphop mash up and a few other bits and pieces.

     

    March round up

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  • #60850

    I may try it again one day as I may just have been in a bad mood as people I like praise it.

    I went back, I was in a bad mood the first time.

    I love Chart Music. The entire thing is a bit insane really, they rattle on for up to 5 hours about a 30 minute TV show. Once you embrace that it’s all about the digressions and little observation I got into its groove.

    Since they are all music journalists the little factoids you get are amazing. Like Margaret Thatcher did the record review slot on Saturday Superstore. I found it on Youtube but they have clipped out the part where apparently she gives a terrible review to The Style Council, probably having been fully briefed that Paul Weller had been a large part of Red Wedge – the campaign by musicians to elect Labour.

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  • #60872

    One of the regular panelists was scathing about Oasis (listing Don’t Look Back in Anger as his absolutely most loathed song); I don’t agree with him but it was still interesting to hear (okay, some of the points are valid).

    Sometimes though they’re very wrong or misinformed – the last episode I listened to was about a TOTP where Bjork and Tori Amos performed (separately), to give an idea of the time – none of the three on that episode had anything nice to say about Tori Amos, and really mischaracterised her as kind of a vapid, fluff merchant.

    I’m no huge fan (wife is) but I do like some of her tracks and think she’s deserving of attention and respect.

    The main host will often bring up tales from his time working for adult magazines – grim stuff.

  • #60891

    I’m very used to the style of the British music papers in the 90s where these guys wrote, they used to have copies of NME and Melody Maker in the library at my 6th form college. They are all champions of contrary opinions and they would change them frequently to try and fit a narrative, they’d also be very entertaining doing it though if you take it all with a huge pinch of salt .

    The guy hating on Oasis was probably Simon Price, the Welsh one, he was slagging them off on the episode I listened to. Funnily though he’s also the author of the Everything – The Manic Street Preachers Story which is rated as one of the best rock biographies ever. So he hates your favourite band and loves your second favourite, such are the vagaries of musical taste. 😂

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    Yeah, the last one I listened had one of them refer to the MM albums of the year reader poll or maybe the staff poll – if (the thoroughly unhip) Neil Young or Bob Dylan had a new album out that year it’d be somewhere on the list simply because the magazine’s editor was a massive fanboy of theirs.

    The “behind the scenes” stuff is all pretty interesting. They mentioned the very real “created a monster” relationship with a band like Oasis, where the press contributed to the hype early on, but once the act gets bigger than the magazine, the magazine needs the act much more than the act needs the magazine. They need to be nice to them and review them well, or else they won’t get exclusives, and the resulting sales boosts.

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    Had to laugh as the news has a story about Vancouver reluctant to allow proper drinking in parks and the reporter says “if there was a theme song to this story it would be ‘Breaking The Law’ ”

    I’m sure no one batted an eye, the age group that has the news on regularly remembers we all had to fight to defend our ‘Devil Music’.
    Now I couldn’t imagine shielding any young ears from it.

    Judas Priest – Breaking The Law

    edit: rambled on and forgot I wanted to mention the opening lyrics to my ears were always “Darrow was completely wasted…”
    Vaguely remember being corrected on it, and obviously ignoring it.
    It’s – “There I was completely wasting, out of work and down
    All inside it’s so frustrating as I drift from town to town.”

    How to describe? Respectfully, it’s a commercial song. Hard edged and did wonders for bringing in outsiders.
    Just hard to look back and think “Heavy Metal”
    Yet just listening to the first few seconds (it’s the first song on 1980’s British Steel) and I can already picture a certain group of friends start cutting loose when track #2 “Rapid Fire“come on.
    None of this DJ shit, let the album play.
    I hope we’re not scared to go back to that when this is all over.

    Admittedly, I didn’t see Priest until 1986 (it was the fight after being denied December ’84’s Maiden Powerslave concert that I wasn’t asking anymore and broke ground for the younger siblings).
    1985 started one bedroom wall of concert ticket stubs, opposite the wall of, ahem, traffic violation tickets.

    Saw Priest & Dokken down at the Tacoma Dome (May 18th 1986) on the Turbo Lover tour.
    Seattle/Tacoma does indeed rock, and the show was great.
    A month or so later saw Priest again, this time in Vancouver with Bon Jovi (odd combo, but Slippery When Wet was knew and a month on any big tour would do) on July 14th 1986.
    Both times I found the song “Desert Plains” (from 1981’s Point of Entry) far, far superior to the studio version and could appreciate a new love for it.

    How cool is it that I can fact check myself by checking the internet – Fuel For Life Tour
    Opening with “Out in The Cold”? I wouldn’t have, but it worked.
    Ha! – # 11 – “Desert Plains” (Replaced by “Parental Guidance” after August 12, 1986) – stupid fuckers
    On the last night of the tour “Screaming For Vengeance” and “Diamonds And Rust” were also played. – okay, now that would have been awesome.

    I’ll stop rambling, but won’t apologize. It’s been fun.

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