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Marvel Movies & TV: The MCU and beyond
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Is this Good or bad?
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Is this Good or bad?
Yes. I’m absolutely sure that this is Good or bad.
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Is this Good or bad?
I doubt it. The actual quote is him calling Endgame the final Avengers film while talking about the infinity saga. There’s no way they leave such a profitable brand on the shelf forever. Realistically they just don’t have the characters to actually form an interesting team right now.
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They have been slowly developing/introducing characters who could eventually form a Young Avengers team, but without much enthusiasm…yet.
I wouldn’t be disappointed if we never see another Avengers film. Many of the post-Endgame films feature team-ups that remind us of the bigger Marvel Cinematic Universe without having to fill the screen with a half-dozen or more heroes vying for their share of screentime.
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My prediction: the next Avengers movie will have Wolverine on the team.
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Coppola
“There used to be studio films, now there are Marvel pictures … one prototype movie that is made over and over and over and over and over again to look different"
— Francis Ford Coppola pic.twitter.com/uJ6cBZRw2V
— Culture Crave 🍿 (@CultureCrave) February 17, 2022
These old directors need to get over it and remember Hollywood has been churning out cookie cutter, formulaic action movies for decades upon decades. Just like they churn out formulaic RomComs and how they used to churn out Westerns. This isn’t new. I feel like PTA had the best take on Superhero movies recently by saying “You know what’s going to get people back into theaters? Spider-Man. So let’s be happy about that.”
I mostly just wish interviewer would stop asking about it. Unless these directors are planning on directing superhero movies then who really cares if they like them or not. Hollywood will stop making them when people stop watching them.
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Wolverine, Spider-Man and whoever else is not dead.
I hope this is the official rollcall.
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There is a logic to having all the most popular characters on the team. Wolverine, Spider-Man and whoever else is not dead.
In other words, the Bendis Avengers?
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I feel like PTA
Pits, Tits and Ass (aka the quick quickshower)?
When I saw “PTA”, this was the first thing I thought of:
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Take with a grain of salt:
We will see Wolverine in #DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness but it definitely won’t be Hugh Jackman.
— Joseph Deckelmeier #BlackLivesMatter (@Joelluminerdi) February 20, 2022
Time to stick Dougray Scott in the de-aging device.
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It started with Scorcese and Spielberg. Scorcese feared that his movies will be squeezed out. Spielberg isn’t that worried as he said it is just a phase and will go by way of the western. Is he sure about that? Then came Villanueva and now Copolla. When will it end?
Also, Spielberg’s most popular films are not all that different from Marvel movies. It would be hard for the guy that made E.T. and Indiana Jones to claim the Avengers or GOTG are not movies.
At heart, these are family films – I’d say mostly for kids, anyway – so it is not a strange or worrying trend to see that the movies that get the big budgets and the big screens are those that appeal to the widest audience – and it is not strange to see that these are not going to be exceptionally complex, dramatic or controversial in their content either.
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I missed the last Spider-Man movie because getting to the cinema was such an arse last year. But I know Dr. Strange was in it, so do you think I will have to see it in order to understand the next Dr. Strange movie?
Probably not – not least because the Spidey movie was originally planned to come out after the Strange sequel until they switched things around. Although I imagine there will have been a bit of tweaking to smooth that out.
Anyway, usually the MCU films are good at recapping anything you need to know within the movie itself. Although seeing the Spidey movie on home release (or at least reading a plot summary) might be a good idea if you want the full context, as Strange features quite heavily in it.
I found that the local cinema was still showing Spidey (that seems like an unusually long run these days), so I did actually manage to see this yesterday.
It was enjoyable. Not my favourite Marvel movie by a long shot, but I thought they handled all the callbacks very cleverly, and they got in all the essential Spidey-brand messaging. Gets a thumbs up, but I wouldn’t re-watch.
Excited for doctor Strange, though.
But when did end credit scenes stop being actual scenes and just show a trailer for the next movie? Lazy
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It started with Scorcese and Spielberg. Scorcese feared that his movies will be squeezed out.
He’s a great director but that doesn’t make him a great business analyst. Paul Thomas Anderson is correct in celebrating the Spider-Man success as I went into with some detail in a previous post. Cinemas run on a model and have done for decades (probably since TV came in and people didn’t go weekly for the newsreels) where just a handful of movies every year push them over to make them profitable.
The likes of ET or Jurassic Park or Spider-Man: No Way Home allow them to show everything else. If you don’t have tentpoles to keep them in profit the whole house of cards falls down. It’s not even about a film making a profit, as I’m sure most of Scorcese’s do, but the exhibitors doing so. If they don’t get the billion dollar movies they are going out of business.
That leaves you with TV and the reality is that a family paying $8 for a monthly streaming sub to watch multiple movies and shows does not replace them paying $40 to watch a single movie. The latter will deliver on average $20 to the studio funding a movie, the former maybe 15 cents if they are lucky.
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In the background of all this is the fact that Spielberg and Scorsese aren’t really making movies that are any better than the Marvel movies lately.
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I saw that Jalil pic on Twitter and was about to post it but…
Ok boomer.
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https://www.vox.com/2019/11/19/20963757/what-is-ok-boomer-meme-about-meaning-gen-z-millennials
Ok Boomer.
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I don’t know. It looks to be a bit much. Maybe biting off more than what they can chew. If the public loses interest, most of this will collapse. Best thing Disney should do is to take their time expanding and not fatigue the viewers with too much too soon.
Yes, after 27 hit movies and numerous popular TV series I’m a bit worried that audiences might not really be interested in the MCU.
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Yes, after 27 hit movies and numerous popular TV series I’m a bit worried that audiences might not really be interested in the MCU.
No dark sarcasm in the forum. 😂
Ok… As long as it brings in the billions. Then again look at what happened to Star Wars, where the quality went down.
As long as the storytelling is there, the public stays entertained. If it gets campy and too formulaic, the audience starts to go: same old same old, flashy costumes, choreographed fights, fancy tech, holograms, cgi, some crazy light show in the end…Maybe Copolla, Villanueva, Scorcese, and Spielberg aren’t all that wrong. They may be right in context, but wrong in saying it will all fall apart tomorrow.
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Scorsese will go the way of the western far sooner than superhero movies. He’s already half out the door.
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‘Kraven The Hunter’: ‘White Lotus’ Breakout Fred Hechinger To Play Chameleon In Sony’s Marvel Pic
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In some ways it is unprecedented levels of output from a ‘franchise’ from the MCU but equally it really isn’t an overwhelming amount of content.
There are typically 4 fims a year so one every quarter. Then the TV shows are staggered, not always on. It seems a lot less volume than the DC shows over the last few years with concurrent 24 episode runs of things.
I think quality is really the key as to whether fatigue sets in, Jim used to talk about it 6 or 7 years ago about it being on the wane and then Endgame made the most money ever. I’ve managed to watch everything the MCU put out but I have to admit I never finished the Falcon and Winter soldier as I got bored. Luckily Hawkeye was great and the whole family enjoyed it.
The problem with Star Wars is, as Saga says above, a lot of the material is not very good.
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Jim used to talk about it 6 or 7 years ago about it being on the wane and then Endgame made the most money ever.
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I like the first few episodes of the shows, but not enough to watch the whole series.
I mean none of them are very long, probably 6 episodes on average. A few episodes in and you are nearly done.
(I’m talking strictly the Feige run MCU on Disney + stuff here, not Agents of Shield, Runaways, Cloak and Dagger etc).
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It seems like people have been warning of MCU fatigue for years. Yet Spider-Man is closing in on $2bn at the box office during a pandemic… Eternals apparently broke Disney+ viewership records… Wandavision and Loki seem to have been huge hits if online buzz is anything to go by… They have big brands coming back with new movies soon like Doctor Strange, Wakanda and Guardians… They still have the X-Men in reserve… Things might not ever be as hot as they were for Endgame again but it would require a monumental level of mismanagement for this to all fade away into failure any time soon.
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Things might not ever be as hot as they were for Endgame again but it would require a monumental level of mismanagement for this to all fade away into failure any time soon.
Yeah, I mean it’s possible they screw it all up somehow – look at how quickly they messed up Star Wars thanks to the mismanagement and poor planning of the sequel trilogy – but I think it’s far more likely that any decline is gradual and there are many more years in the MCU yet.
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The MCU franchise has reached the point where even if the public lost interest it would take a long time for the juggernaut to slow down and eventually stop. The nature of a franchise is to self-perpetuate and expand while simultaneously diversifying to generate new audiences while maintaining the existing crowd. Kevin Fiege just happens to be one of the most successful and canny franchise owners in the entertainment field, and is backed by one of the biggest entertainment conglomerates that ever existed.
So, yeah, maybe it will reach a point of diminishing returns, and Marvel/Disney will decide the investment is not paying off; or maybe the whole superhero thing will be replaced by a new genre (more lovesick vampires, anyone?) that will saturate the big and small screens. But I don’t see that happening for a while yet, despite the numerous doomsayers on the internet (and in Hollywood), and I don’t see the MCU in particular fading away.
As Al-X noted above, it truly is a great time to be a comics fan.
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Yeah, I’d wager Marvel will be okay for a while because of Fiege. Star Wars has struggled because Disney doesn’t seem to have put anyone in charge there that knows the property or has any sense of direction. They didn’t even bother have a plot outline for the sequel trilogy. Which is absurd. It’s actually a bit impressive that the same company with such a brand structure and plan as Marvel managed to take Star Wars and just kind of shrug and say “I don’t know, do whatever” to the writer/directors they hired.
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It’s actually a bit impressive that the same company with such a brand structure and plan as Marvel managed to take Star Wars and just kind of shrug and say “I don’t know, do whatever” to the writer/directors they hired.
I wonder if part of it was complacency. Star Wars was already a massive franchise when Disney bought it, and they probably knew that no matter what story they told that first movie would make billions. So there was more freedom to experiment and offer creative flexibility to the filmmakers.
Whereas with Marvel, Feige has built the MCU up from very little (in terms of the the movie audience’s prior awareness of the characters and concepts) and especially in the early days had to make sure that each successive movie got it right or risk weakening the foundations of the entire enterprise.
Of course, with Marvel there is also the advantage of decades of reader tested proof-of-concept comics showing what stories work (and what doesn’t). Although by the time Disney got its hands on Star Wars there was masses of EU lore there to draw on too, they just decided to throw it out.
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Although by the time Disney got its hands on Star Wars there was masses of EU lore there to draw on too, they just decided to throw it out.
Ohhh… What might have been had Disney used elements from the EU. Even adapting some of the trilogy novels that were set after ROTJ.
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Some news of what will be on Disney+
https://thedirect.com/article/disney-plus-daredevil-marvel-netflix-shows
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Fantastic Four: Turn Off The Dark.
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They didn’t even bother have a plot outline for the sequel trilogy. Which is absurd.
The only time there was a plot outline for the movies was the prequels and it didn’t help there either. The problem with the sequels was that Rise of the Skywalker decided to spend a chunk of time trying to placate angry nerds instead of building on the prior two movies.
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They didn’t even bother have a plot outline for the sequel trilogy. Which is absurd.
The only time there was a plot outline for the movies was the prequels and it didn’t help there either. The problem with the sequels was that Rise of the Skywalker decided to spend a chunk of time trying to placate angry nerds instead of building on the prior two movies.
In fairness The Last Jedi (which I do quite like as a movie in its own right) was quite pointed in the way it wanted to rip things up, confound expectations and do things differently. Which is fine for a single movie but maybe not the best idea for the middle film of a trilogy that is also the penultimate film in a nine-movie saga. It did make it somewhat difficult to provide a final movie that followed through on the threads of The Last Jedi while also delivering as the conclusion to that trilogy and all three trilogies at once.
So in that sense I do think the franchise was mismanaged, and it wasn’t the right call to let The Last Jedi be that kind of movie in that kind of position in the sequence. It ended up feeling like an improvisational game of hot potato between the two writer-directors where their ideas didn’t mesh together very well at all.
If there had been some kind of overall outline or plan to stick to, that problem wouldn’t have happened.
Sometimes improvisation and making a story up on the fly works, sometimes it doesn’t. In the case of the original trilogy they obviously didn’t conceive of a three-movie plan at first as that kind of franchise success wasn’t in their thoughts, but it worked out.
And as for the prequel trilogy, people might have many complaints with it but I don’t think that overall coherence as a story is really one of them. It has a pretty clear through-line of characters and plots in a way that the sequel trilogy doesn’t, really.
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Yeah, the original movie was its own thing as nobody knew if it would be successful enough to merit any future films. It was, so the next two movies were planned in conjunction with one another. It was known in advance that they were going to do a trilogy of prequel films and so they planned an overall story for them and changed little along the way (other than decreasing the amount of screen-time for Jar Jar). It was also known in advance that they were going to do a trilogy of sequel films and they made the baffling decision to let the first two movies be made by different people who could do quite different things with the property, leading to a panicked attempt to sweep it all under the rug in the third movie. As polarising as the first and especially second entries in the sequel trilogy may have been, the third one served only to leave a bad taste in everyone’s mouth – even without the freshly-squeezed blue alien milk.
All of which is entirely on-topic for the Marvel thread, I’m sure!
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Kingsman star Taron Egerton addresses those Wolverine rumours again
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Bill and Ted: Whoa!
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I would assume a bootleg. I’ve seen similar for Mandalorian too, but I don’t think Disney have plans to release these Disney+ exclusive series on home media. It would somewhat undermine one of the major selling points of the streaming service.
Strangely, I think Disney are being insufficiently cynical here.
I reckon only a tiny fraction of those who would buy a physical release to complete their collections would remember to axe their D+ subscription.
Also, at the rate D+ is both adding subscribers and material, they won’t have to worry about a lost handful. I think they’ll do both once they realise people will frequently double dip.
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Limited especially with the existence of other disc formats – BR and UHD. But a form of disc will hang around like vinyl records as a niche product.
Digital copies of games games have been going for years, often at far cheaper price than digital but without any return or resale ability. GamePass is the next stage combined with Xcloud Gaming. Which Microsoft wants to extend to all smart TVs.
Even in an age of streaming, there’ll always be an audience that wants to own stuff, not just access it.
Plus if your local internet is rubbish, discs still have their benefits.
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Years ago, they used to sell (as a big selling point) these huge box sets of an entire series on DVD ie. the Sopranos, GoT, Friends, Seinfeld, even oldies like the Twilight Zone.
Now, most of these series are on on the streaming services for binge watching over a weekend and so on.
I don’t know anyone these days who are into box sets like before.
Box sets are dust collectors these days from what I hear.
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‘This Is Us’ Actress Lyric Ross Joins Marvel’s ‘Ironheart’ (Exclusive)
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/marvel-ironheart-cast-lyric-ross-1235099407/
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So you basically think they need to screw Ben over for every penny he’s worth?
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This is the way.
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Also, a link on what really went on in the MCU. Renner broke his arms before and was in pain every time he pulled the bow:
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I saw Alien Covenant and The Shape of Water on Disney+. One of them has creatures jumping out of peoples chests with the appropriate amount of blood, and the other has full frontal nudity and a guy putting his finger through a bullet wound in another guys cheek and dragging him.
So I’m happy to finally get some mature content! :)
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Did the US version not have parental controls before now? I guess maybe it’s never had to because of the content. Other regions have had them since the start.
It seems until now the US version has kept this stuff very separate, whereas here it’s all in together the same as the UK. Disney+ right now for me has a Walking Dead banner across the top.
Maybe they are seeing the overseas model is fine for them and perhaps eventually Hulu gets folded in.
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I finally watched Venom: Let There Be Carnage. I thought it was very silly and schlocky and over-the-top, and basically just an excuse for two monsters to have a big fight.
So it was perfect for the source material. I really enjoyed it.
Plus I got real Tim Burton vibes from some of the staging and the gothic details, which added to the whole heightened cartoonish feel of it all.
Like the first one, it was better than I’d expected and I’d watch more of these.
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Funny, I just watched it last night for the first time. Much like the first one it was really rather good at being not all that good. Pure B-movie fun and at an entirely reasonable 97 minutes it breezed by quite nicely. Refreshing to see a comic book movie that is not the standard MCU superhero fare and not drowning in DC-level seriousness. It’s more of an odd odd couple story than anything else, like a Toy Story in which Woody was stuck inside Buzz’s body and occasionally wanted to eat people.
Based on the end credits scene it looks like they’re going in an expected direction with Venom next. Promises to be tasty so long as the premise doesn’t bring too many cooks into the kitchen.
Gotta admire Michelle Williams turning up for a couple of weeks every couple of years to do these movies before getting back to her day job.
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Nope, although I suspect I might do later this month when I get the chance to catch up on something else.
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Nope, although I suspect I might do later this month when I get the chance to catch up on something else.
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With the amount of material D+ now has that section of people decreases all the time. Plus, if you want to be up to date on the material – and fans do – they can’t exclusively wait for the discs. They will double dip.
Oh. Apparently I’m not Marvel fan
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Oh. Apparently I’m not Marvel fan
Hey, we know you’ve given your heart and soul to the Legion of Super-Heroes.
And to female British harp players….
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Kang the Conqueror? Yes, probably.
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