Marvel Movies & TV: Phase Two

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The MCU! The Disney+ series! Sony! (For the time being anyway.)

Talk about any and all Marvel movies and TV here.

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My point was that I think Marvel’s appeal is much broader than just “boy’s stuff.” I genuinely don’t think the DCEU has that same appeal because it takes itself too seriously. In general that is – Aquaman is an outlier in that it was much more willing to embrace the silliness of the concept.

I was struck by the fact that when I went to see Cap: Civil War there were a group of four women sitting in front of me, and from their conversation I was pleasantly surprised how into the canon of the MCU they were. So when I went to see BvS (the last DC movie I paid to see) I made a point of looking around at the audience and it must have been 80% male.

Unscientific, I know, but that’s the general impression I get.

Interesting that Wonder Woman actually had sex in both of her solo movies, whereas I don’t think it was implied in any other superhero’s recent movies that I can recall.

Certainly in the first Iron Man there’s that whole bit with the reporter (who Pepper ditches the morning after), which establishes Stark as a bit of a playboy character, so even from the start it has hardly been sexless. It just isn’t a major focus, which like others have said is what you’d expect for most superhero stories.

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Steve Sensible wrote:

My point was that I think Marvel’s appeal is much broader than just “boy’s stuff.” I genuinely don’t think the DCEU has that same appeal because it takes itself too seriously. In general that is – Aquaman is an outlier in that it was much more willing to embrace the silliness of the concept.

That might well be true, no way of saying for sure really.

But when talking about whether Disney bought Marvel to access the male audience, DC is not so much a relevant comparison as all the other stuff Disney already owned – the animated and live action movies that have a fairly broad appeal but skew a bit more female with the “princess” stuff.

I think Star Wars and Marvel were both good ways for Disney to reach that young male audience, regardless of what DC were also doing at the time.

Dave wrote:

I don’t think the Marvel/DC comparison means a huge amount when we’re talking about male and female audiences – DC movies have a smaller fanbase in general but I haven’t seen any evidence for them appealing less to women than the Marvel movies. Certainly anecdotally a huge amount of interest in Aquaman seemed to come from female viewers who were interested in Momoa as the lead. It’s why we watched it in our house!

It’d be interesting to see some numbers if there are any. Completely anecdotal again, obviously, but Claudia watches every Marvel movie with me but does not have the slightest interest in the DC stuff. She thought Man of Steel was very boring, and I’d have to do the whole Clockwork Orange thing to get her to watch Batman v Superman or any of that stuff.

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Dave wrote:

I can list a ton of romantic pairings in the MCU too: Tony/Pepper, Thor/Jane, Steve/Peggy, Peter Quill/Gamora, Pete/MJ, Scott Lang/Hope, Happy/May… and so on.

Yup, that was my point. I’m not saying there’s no romantic sublots in modern Star Wars and Star Trek but I can’t discern there are any more than in Marvel films.

On the matter of Disney buying Marvel (and Star Wars) for a male following to match the Disney Princess stuff I seem to recall they were pretty open about that but it was less about the film audience and more about the merchandise. I have a girl and a boy and they both enjoy either set of movies but the bedsheets they asked for are very much traditionally gendered.

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garjones wrote:

On the matter of Disney buying Marvel (and Star Wars) for a male following to match the Disney Princess stuff I seem to recall they were pretty open about that but it was less about the film audience and more about the merchandise. I have a girl and a boy and they both enjoy either set of movies but the bedsheets they asked for are very much traditionally gendered.

Oh absolutely, that stuff is just as important as (if not more important than) the movies themselves. That’s what I mean about looking out across a playground and seeing all the backpacks and lunchboxes and so on – almost always it’s the boys that have the Marvel and Star Wars ones.

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Christian wrote:

I’d have to do the whole Clockwork Orange thing to get her to watch Batman v Superman or any of that stuff.

 

It’s the Snyderverse way :D

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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/captain-america-4-in-the-works-with-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-showrunner-malcolm-spellman-exclusive

Co-writer on Cap 4 is a writer from Falcon and Winter Soldier who got his start writing Iron Sky, a movie about Nazis on the Moon

Heh. Well, Iron Sky wasn’t half-bad for what it was. I was suprised, back then, that the dialogue actually wasn’t bad, and it was cool that this kind of grassroots project became an actual movie. So, you know, good for him!

F&WS doesn’t really convince me these guys can write and film a great Cap movie… but then again, a Marvel movie is a different animal from a TV series.

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Bonus points if they can use the song Back In Black for the opening scene.

So is Cap 4 going to be set before Steve got old?

Setting it in WW2 would be a nice idea. There’s so much more that could be done there. Though I’m not sure if the obvious (introducing Namor and the Torch) would dilute Steve’s status as *the* living legend of WW2. Would need to be handled carefully.

DavidM wrote:

So is Cap 4 going to be set before Steve got old?

No, it follows on from the TV show where Sam Wilson just became Captain America.

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The show left a number of loose ends with whatever happens to Walker, to JLD’s character, to Sharon, to Torres, not to mention Zemo. It’ll be interesting to see if any of those form a major part of the movie or if that all gets saved for Disney+, while the movie gets something completely different. Theoretically, someone could have watched Endgame, seen Sam get the shield and then see him as Captain America in the next movie without missing a beat. The Disney+ show is basically just filling in the blanks a little bit, like a comic book event series tie-in. If the movie focuses on things like US Agent or the Power Broker then they’re certainly expecting the audience to have paid attention to the Disney+ show first.

Same thing for Wanda in Dr Strange 2, really. You could just go from Vision dying in Endgame straight to her dealing with her grief with Strange but anything involving the characters Wandavision introduced gets a little more complicated. I’m curious as to where Disney draws a line between making the movies accessible to all and making the audience feel obliged to subscribe to Disney+.

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saga wrote:

You could just go from Vision dying in Endgame straight to her dealing with her grief

Except for the whole twins thing. Judging from Wandavision’s coda, it seems as though they’re going to play a role going forward, so there’s going to be some explaining to do there.

saga wrote:

I’m curious as to where Disney draws a line between making the movies accessible to all and making the audience feel obliged to subscribe to Disney+.

I would say their goal is to get as many subscriptions to D+ as possible. I think someone going to a Doctor Strange sequel is going to be pretty well versed in MCU lore by now. It’s not like the MCU is some obscure geek thing – it’s the preeminent franchise in the western world, so I doubt Marvel is going to worry all that much about bringing the audience being up to speed.

They should start running footnotes at the bottom of the screen; “* See the WandaVision mini-series for full details! – Kev.”

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Steve Sensible wrote:

I would say their goal is to get as many subscriptions to D+ as possible. I think someone going to a Doctor Strange sequel is going to be pretty well versed in MCU lore by now. It’s not like the MCU is some obscure geek thing – it’s the preeminent franchise in the western world, so I doubt Marvel is going to worry all that much about bringing the audience being up to speed.

A lot of the audience is China though, who can’t watch the shows. Doctor Strange made $110M in China, they’re not going to alienate that crowd.

Yeah, there’s almost no piracy in China.

Steve Sensible wrote:

Yeah, there’s almost no piracy in China.

Interestingly, China just started cracking down heavily on fansubs:

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202102/1215055.shtml

A storm was triggered on Chinese social media on Thursday after the authorities cracked down on an unofficial fansub group that created subtitles for foreign TV shows.

The fansub group has accompanied Chinese fans throughout the ups and downs of US TV series. From Prison Break to WandaVision, new series have gained fans who have been unable to find similarly well-made Chinese TV series.

The crackdown on Renren Film and Television Subtitle Group kicked off a wave of collective nostalgia among former and current fans of US TV series, who took to social media to share their memories of them.

They also talked about how the government’s increasing efforts to crack down on piracy is starting to make them panic. Piracy is no more, but where are the official versions that can be watched legally? Will they no longer be able to watch new series right after they debut in the US? How will they avoid spoilers or take part in the fun of dissecting the plot twists with other fans around the world?

So even if they can download Wandavision or TFATWS, it might be harder to find a way to understand them.

Christian wrote:

F&WS doesn’t really convince me these guys can write and film a great Cap movie… but then again, a Marvel movie is a different animal from a TV series.

If it is a movie, then some filler scenes would not be included (like the boat!)

saga wrote:

Theoretically, someone could have watched Endgame, seen Sam get the shield and then see him as Captain America in the next movie without missing a beat.

This was one of the things that made it all feel a bit pointless to me. It ended up feeling like the equivalent of that “who will wield the shield” miniseries in the comics, or that one after Batman died when all the Robins argued over who would take over. Filler.

paul f wrote:

A lot of the audience is China though, who can’t watch the shows. Doctor Strange made $110M in China, they’re not going to alienate that crowd.

It’s not just China, albeit they are the second largest market outside the US. Disney+ is not currently available in large swathes of the globe, including here in Malaysia (so yes I am Torrenting these shows). Ardent fans will find a way but in my experience that won’t translate to the vast majority of the audience.

I suspect what we will see with the movies is somewhat akin to approaches in comics crossovers. Some require you to read every single chapter or you’re lost and some work hard to make sure an issue stands alone as a piece and a little recap work covers what you need. MCU will go with the latter I think rather than dump Dr Strange viewers into a story heavily reliant on having watched Wandavision.

 

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Rocket wrote:

If it is a movie, then some filler scenes would not be included (like the boat!)

I don’t know, I mean, I could see a movie about that boat. Just Sam working on it day after day, and sometimes Bucky pops up and flirts with his sister. But then they sister’s business has suddenly run out of money, and they need to get that loan after all, so they have another talk with the guy at bank, but he’s “Nah, I’m sorry, it’s cool that you’re Cap now, but I can’t help you”, so Sam has to find another bank, but when he does, he has to fill out lots and lots of paperwork!!! While Bucky flirts with his sister! And all Sam has to keep him strong is an old photograph of his parents and the shield that’s resting next to his desk!

Seriously though, that’s the thing, I completely trust those guys to make a good action movie. The action was very solid in the TV show already, plus there will be the usual Marvel film team to get that stuff done, but… the series’ dialogue was often solid, especially when it came to the banter, but some of it was really shit, mainly everything that came out of Karli’s mouth being dumb expositionary dialogue. And the characters and their actions sometimes worked, and sometimes didn’t. And that’s the kind of thing that doesn’t get better with a budget, and that would be done by these two guys alone.

So, I hope with the more time and attention paid to a movie, they manage to get those aspects right. But I’m kinda preparing myself for a somewhat mediocre Cap movie.

Christian wrote:

some of it was really shit, mainly everything that came out of Karli’s mouth

In fairness, I think that actress could be reading Shakespeare and it’d still come out like that.

So, do you guys think there’s a Thunderbolts movie in the works? With Zemo in the Raft, and having already a good amount of villains & anit-heros in play in the MCU, it’s definetly a possibility, no? I mean, shit, replace Hawkeye with Bucky (or Walker), then add Zemo, the Ghost chick from Ant-man, maybe Batroc, Taskmaster, bring back Bernthal’s Punisher…

There’s at least a TV show in there, right? Who else could they use?

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Jon wrote:

Who else could they use?

Any of the non-dead Marvel villains, I guess. Abomination? Whiplash? Trevor Slattery?

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🚨 Nova foto dos bastidores de "Hawkeye" mostra o figurino da Echo e Gavião Arqueiro pic.twitter.com/B1LGoSYKoQ

— Marvel News (@BRMarvelNews) April 29, 2021

New backstage photo of “Hawkeye” shows the costumes of Echo and Archer hawk

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Scarlett got asked about her underwear 5 times?

I forgot Brie won an Oscar for Best Actress in 2016

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Ms. Marvel set photo.

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Costume looks fine. Be interesting to see whether they can make the stretchy powers work on screen. They’ve always been tough for the FF movies.

Dave wrote:

Be interesting to see whether they can make the stretchy powers work on screen. They’ve always been tough for the FF movies.

Her powers look deliberately goofy in the comics – moreso than Mr. F’s – so it shouldn’t be hard to replicate that on-screen.

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Yeah I don’t doubt their ability to replicate the look, I just think the physics of that stuff always looks weird in a photo-real live-action setting. Always feels a bit weightless.

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Huge leak may reveal Marvel’s next big villain to battle the Avengers

Take with a grain of salt.

“SHONG-chee”?

Every day’s a school day…

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Marvel has a serious superhero problem it needs to fix

[Steve Sensible]

First bit of Eternals footage towards the end.

Also, Black Panther 2 is now “Wakanda Forever” and Captain Marvel 2 is now apparently “The Marvels” – including Ms. Marvel, judging by the “S.”

 

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Nice to see it all laid out like that. And it’ll be cool to have more Marvel movies again this year and the next one. Let’s hope the cinemas are open again when this starts.

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Interesting that Captain Marvel 2 has been renamed. Is that because they’re expecting big things of Ms Marvel or because this anti-Brie Larson nonsense has rumbled on long enough to give them cold-feet about having her completely headline it?

Steve Sensible wrote:

“SHONG-chee”? Every day’s a school day…

It seems odd that’s never come up in any of the Mortal Kombat games, TV shows or movies featuring Shang Tsung.

It is rather neat that by the time we get through the Phase 4 movies the real timeline will have caught up with where Endgame left off in 2023.

By the way, what’s going on with Hulk in the MCU? Out of all the major characters already introduced he appears to be the only one not either dead or lined up for a future movie or Disney+ show.

Will he not show up in She Hulk?

Guess so, I had forgotten about that one. I long ago ran out of fingers to count these things on.

Marvel only got the distribution rights back for Hulk from Universal last year, so maybe they haven’t wanted to commit to anything until recently.

I doubt Ruffalo comes cheap, either, so I expect they’re hoping to replace him with the newer, cheaper She version in the future. It’s been 12 years of the MCU (last year doesn’t count) so we’re moving onto the second generation now; new Cap, new Hawkeye, new Widow etc.

Steve Sensible wrote:

Captain Marvel 2 is now apparently “The Marvels”

I hope it includes Uncle Marvel as well as Jr. and Mary.

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DavidM wrote:

Steve Sensible wrote:

Captain Marvel 2 is now apparently “The Marvels”

I hope it includes Uncle Marvel as well as Jr. and Mary.

Also, Kid Marvelman.

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Steve Sensible wrote:

and Captain Marvel 2 is now apparently “The Marvels”

Huh… funny that…

Chinaka Hodge Tapped As Head Writer Of ‘Ironheart’ Series, From Marvel & Disney+

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Steve Sensible wrote:

“SHONG-chee”?

Every day’s a school day…

(More nuanced is 'Sh-ahn-g', but 'Sh-on-g' is nearly identical in a standard American dialect)

— Simu Liu (@SimuLiu) May 5, 2021

So it seems “shong” is only to get Americans saying it right and the rest of us were probably right with “Shang”? So I think it’s “a” sound like in grarse rather than grass. Maybe?

 

This reminds me of how Marvel, in the 80s, did a pronunciation guide for creators’ surnames that has circulated widely on social media in recent years, but which had Bob Budiansky’s surname wrong (boo-di-an-ski) and the correction (bud-ee-an-ski) published a few issues later has largely been lost to the mists of time.

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Martin Smith wrote:

Is that because they’re expecting big things of Ms Marvel or because this anti-Brie Larson nonsense has rumbled on long enough to give them cold-feet about having her completely headline it?

I very much think the former. The anti-Larsen stuff is people moaning on the internet and made no difference to the $1.1bn it grossed.

A chunk of that group just don’t like her performance which is perfectly fair enough but I doubt they’ll be tricked by a title change and she’ll be prominent in the trailers. A smaller chunk just don’t like the ‘woke agenda’ and assuming the other Marvels are Kamala and Monica that’s kind of heading in the opposite direction of what they want.

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I think a Marvels team could be more fun than the first movie. I wasn’t particularly sold on Monica either way in Wandavision and I’m not clear how she’ll fit in, but I have high hopes for Ms Marvel if they’re sticking to the comics template, and I think the idol/mentor relationship could be interesting if they’re sticking with that direction.

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garjones wrote:

Martin Smith wrote:

Is that because they’re expecting big things of Ms Marvel or because this anti-Brie Larson nonsense has rumbled on long enough to give them cold-feet about having her completely headline it?

I very much think the former. The anti-Larsen stuff is people moaning on the internet and made no difference to the $1.1bn it grossed.

A chunk of that group just don’t like her performance which is perfectly fair enough but I doubt they’ll be tricked by a title change and she’ll be prominent in the trailers. A smaller chunk just don’t like the ‘woke agenda’ and assuming the other Marvels are Kamala and Monica that’s kind of heading in the opposite direction of what they want.

Yeah, if the argument is that Brie Larson is so hated she can’t carry a movie on her own, I doubt that Disney’s answer would be to bundle in a bunch of characters who were in Disney+ shows.

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Martin Smith wrote:

This reminds me of how Marvel, in the 80s, did a pronunciation guide for creators’ surnames that has circulated widely on social media in recent years, but which had Bob Budiansky’s surname wrong (boo-di-an-ski) and the correction (bud-ee-an-ski) published a few issues later has largely been lost to the mists of time.

They’re both wrong; it’s pronounced sin-KEV-itch.

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Dave wrote:

I think a Marvels team could be more fun than the first movie. I wasn’t particularly sold on Monica either way in Wandavision and I’m not clear how she’ll fit in, but I have high hopes for Ms Marvel if they’re sticking to the comics template, and I think the idol/mentor relationship could be interesting if they’re sticking with that direction.

It would be more interesting if they hadn’t already made two Spider-man movies where the main theme is a young hero who idolizes an older more experienced mentor hero.

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Yeah I guess that’s fair. But I disliked that they did that with Spidey whereas this feels more natural.

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Dave wrote:

have high hopes for Ms Marvel if they’re sticking to the comics template, and I think the idol/mentor relationship could be interesting if they’re sticking with that direction.

And if they had shown Carol operating on Earth in the 21st century at all, it might even be believable that a young girl would grow up idolising her.

Though I suppose that could all happen in the new movie. I’m confused on how the time lines of the movies and the Ms Marvel TV series are supposed to relate, to be honest.

DavidM wrote:

And if they had shown Carol operating on Earth in the 21st century at all, it might even be believable that a young girl would grow up idolising her.

She played a big part in defeating Thanos and his army in Endgame (and based on that movie seems to have been connected with earth on-and-off for a few years since the Thanos snap, during the period that we didn’t see) so I think they can make it work.

That’s an interesting point in itself: does anyone on Earth even know that the Endgame battle took place? The Avengers complex was pretty isolated. People in nearby cities would have seen the space ships and big explosions, I suppose. But who would actually know which heroes were involved and what was really going on?

I can’t remember if the post-Endgame Spidey movie covered that at all.

 

Disney+ Moves Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter To Non-MCU Collection

While the Marvel Cinematic Universe is finally finding its footing in episodic content with Marvel Studios’ Phase Four Disney+ series, it’s safe to say the universe has had a rocky relationship with the TV world in the past.

Following the success of The Avengers, Marvel opted to expand its popular live-action universe to TV in Agents of SHIELD, a series that would star Clark Gregg’s Phil Coulson, tying directly to the events of the films.

However, that relationship quickly dwindled away as the stories of the film and TV worlds became increasingly disconnected, to the point that many fans don’t consider the non-Feige-produced series to be canon.

Over time, Marvel TV continued to expand its presence with Agent Carter, Inhumans, and an assortment of Netflix-released properties like Daredevil. Given the large cult following surrounding these series, whether they are truly a part of the MCU is a hotly debated topic that regularly adds new evidence in both directions.

However, the latest development in the case seems to provide the strongest evidence yet that Marvel TV may not be a part of the canon MCU going forward.

DISNEY+ MOVES MARVEL TV SERIES TO NON-CANON COLLECTION
As was first shared on Reddit by u/wandavisionbaby, Disney+ has updated its homepage in select regions to include a new “Marvel Legacy Movies and Series” collection, one that features Marvel Television series like Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter. As of now, this new collection is only available in a limited number of regions, including Brazil.

Until now, the “Marvel Legacy” branding has only been attached to non-MCU properties such as Fox’s X-Men and Fantastic Four franchises, as well as classic animated Marvel series. This evidence seems to imply that the ABC-produced Marvel shows listed under “Marvel Legacy,” such as Agents of SHIELD, Agent Carter, and Runaways, may not be considered to be MCU canon by Disney+.

THE AGENTS OF SHIELD ARE NO MORE?
Whether the various Marvel TV series are canon to the greater MCU has been a heavily debated topic among the fandom for some time now. While shows like ABC’s Agents of SHIELD were initially advertised as a key part of the cinematic world, those connections quickly withered and contradictions began to appear between the film and TV stories.

The Defender-centric Netflix projects like Daredevil and Jessica Jones aren’t currently on Disney+, however, as Marvel TV projects they would be included in this “Marvel Legacy” section if they were.

As these series are stories that Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios didn’t have any influence over, it’s not surprising that they would want to distance them from the stories they’re now telling on the streaming service.

However, the decanonization of Marvel TV doesn’t necessarily close the door on heroes like Charlie Cox’s Daredevil and Chloe Bennet’s Quake returning in future MCU projects. As expected, if these actors were to reprise their past roles, Feige would likely opt to ignore all the stories that have come before, instead choosing to reintroduce the heroes from the beginning.

It’s important to remember, this Disney+ listing isn’t complete confirmation that Marvel TV is no longer considered canon, and that won’t be the case until Kevin Feige or another major executive says so. But as evidence continues to amass that Marvel TV is no longer considered canon going into Phase Four, fans of the series may need to prepare themselves for the worst.

Disney+ is available for subscription across most of the world, with the Marvel TV series streaming now in select regions.

While the Netflix shows are obviously of dubious canonicity (I cannot believe that’s a real word, but Firefox’s spellchecker is backing me up there) and I could see Agents of SHIELD being cut loose, Agent Carter never felt particularly out of line with anything (and Feige was credited a producer on that but not Agents of SHIELD, as far as I can see). I guess maybe Black Widow could be about to stamp all over the 1950s Widow character it had.

It’s Ultimate Team-up all over again!

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More accurately, they decanonised all non-Agents of SHIELD, non-Agent Carter productions.

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Disney+ Changes Release Schedule for ‘Loki’

Marvel Studios’ third streaming series will debut on Wednesdays starting June 9
Disney+ is shuffling up the release date for its third Marvel Studios series, “Loki.” The drama, which sees Tom Hiddleston return to the role as the God of Mischief, will debut its new episodes on Wednesdays.

That means “Loki” will now premiere on June 9, two days earlier than scheduled. Disney+ until now has released all of its new original content, including Marvel’s “WandaVision” and “The Falcon and the Winter Soldier,” on Fridays.

Marvel Studios’ “Loki” features the God of Mischief as he steps out of his brother’s shadow in a new series that takes place after the events of “Avengers: Endgame.” Hiddleston returns as the title character, joined by Owen Wilson, Gugu Mbatha-Raw, Sophia Di Martino, Wunmi Mosaku and Richard E. Grant.

Kate Herron directs “Loki,” and Michael Waldron is head writer.

After “Loki” Disney+ still has three more series — “What If…,” “Ms. Marvel” and “Hawkeye” — to premiere in 2021, plus the availability (for an extra fee) of “Black Widow” on July 9. Those will be followed by “She-Hulk,” “Moon Knight,” “Secret Invasion,” “Armor Wars” and “Ironheart.”

Earlier this week, Marvel Studios announced that the second “Black Panther” film would be called “Black Panther: Wakanda Forever” and the “Captain Marvel” sequel would be “The Marvels.” The latter one will not include a returning Brie Larson, but also Teyonah Parris’ older Monica Rambeau (who debuted in “WandaVision”) as well as Iman Vellani’s Kamala Khan/Ms. Marvel, who is debuting in her own series later this year.

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Dave wrote:

Yeah I guess that’s fair. But I disliked that they did that with Spidey whereas this feels more natural.

So did I. I thought that the ending of the first movie was about him getting over his Tony Stark complex, but no such luck. Spider-man should be a hero on his own terms and not a sulking fan boy.

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canonicity (I cannot believe that’s a real word, but Firefox’s spellchecker is backing me up there)

it is a tourist attraction in Colo. Royal Gorge is the name of the geological feature there. It has a nearby old fashioned casino and a Supermax prision in the next city over.

Canon City

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Everything We Know About Marvel’s BLADE Movie

ethan hawke on the set of moon knight everybody screamed everybody said something pic.twitter.com/awGNgvPvMz

— lex (@ATR3lDES) May 5, 2021

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DavidM wrote:

That’s an interesting point in itself: does anyone on Earth even know that the Endgame battle took place?

Oh yes and this has actually been covered, albeit in little snippets. In the last Spidey movie there’s an in-flight documentary about it, in Wandavision they make it pretty clear that people know most of what happened.

I mentioned after the Wandavision stuff that they would have to follow through that the public would know who all the heroes are and not be surprised, in F&WS the opening episode has random members of the public recognising Sam.

 

 

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And in “actor wants work” news:

Sincere apologies for any misleading this caused. It was just a massive fan trying to ‘casually’ throw his tiny hat in the ring for a dream role. Best of luck to whomever books it. Thanks to all who responded positively. Maybe you’d have better luck with Marvel than my agent. 🙏 https://t.co/6RKquP7x0y

— Roger Clark (@rclark98) May 5, 2021

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There’s no Drax for me without you, buddy! You ARE the MCU’s Drax the Destroyer and, as far as I’m concerned, could never be replaced. And you have the right to do whatever you want with your acting choices! ❤️ @DaveBautista https://t.co/Mn5uNRVUvN

— James Gunn (@JamesGunn) May 8, 2021

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Todd

Looks like they’re leaning into the goofy humour and schlock of the first one, which was a real guily pleasure for me. Should be fun.

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garjones, Todd

Breakdown from Andy Serkis:

Trailer looks fine… I just wish they’d put the fuckin spider on him… u_u

‘Ms. Marvel’ Series Completes Production in Thailand Despite COVID Resurgence (EXCLUSIVE)

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Hank Cannon, Todd

There’s a lot of context there. I have had people today reach out to me with concern that Malaysia has initiated another lockdown but in truth the SE Asia numbers on a global scale have been tiny.

Thailand has 6 deaths per 1 million population, the US has 1,793.

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Rocket, Ben, Hank Cannon, Todd

garjones wrote:

Thailand has 6 deaths per 1 million population, the US has 1,793.

Journos like percentages better than numbers. going from 4 to 6 is 50% growth and a catastrophe. going from approx 1800 to 1900 is .05% growth and minimal growth even though it is 50 times the raw numbers.

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DavidM, Todd, lorcan_nagle, garjones, Dave, Uncle Retrospective

Well, so much for that.

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Will_C

Actress Has So Much Work That She Doesn’t Give a Crap.

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Rocket, JRCarter, Will_C, Todd, DavidM

I wonder though if Krasinki wanted to play Reed but could not convince her to join him and if he did it by himself he would get swamped by EVERYONE asking him about it.

Krasinski as Reed is one of those ideas I don’t understand how they became that popular… I really don’t see him as Reed…

Take with a grain of salt:

https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/exclusive-marvel-studios-casting-a-young-lead-for-ant-man-and-the-wasp-quantumania/

In “actor didn’t want work” news:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/eric-bana-hulk-1234954990/#!

Simu Liu Wants You to See Yourself as a Superhero

https://www.menshealth.com/entertainment/a36343557/simu-liu-shang-chi-marvel-superhero/

Fantastic Four: Life Story Gives Marvel the Perfect Blueprint for the MCU

https://www.cbr.com/fantastic-four-mcu-blueprint/

‘Doctor Strange’ Casting Of Tilda Swinton As ‘The Ancient One’ Was A Mistake, Says Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige

Yeah I’m starting to think the mistake is talking to the press… u_u

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DavidM

Yeah, it doesn’t seem like a great strategic move, this. Re-kindling the flames for that shitstorm when they’ve long weathered it.
Also, he weirdly doesn’t mention that the main issue was that they didn’t want to piss off China by making him Tibetan.

“weirdly”

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Christian, Dave

I’m sure he was going to mention it and just forgot.

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lorcan_nagle

Take with a grain of salt:

Exclusive: Midnight Sons Movie In Early Development At Marvel Studios

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Martin Smith

What a strange trailer. It looks pretty but is maybe a bit too mysterious (and tells you virtually nothing about the story) – and then it seems like it loses its bottle and has a big clunky reminder that it’s in the MCU at the end.

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Surely the point is that it doesn’t need to tell you anything because it mentions Stark and the Avengers at the end. That’s all it needs to pack the audience in.

I actually thought it looked good, but possibly only because I know the comics so I could decode what it all meant?

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njerry

Yeah I agree, it’s a bit underwhelming, lots of people standing around and then a fairly lame joke at the end.

Marvel films have had rather underwhelming trailers before and been fine but I have always been a bit concerned about this property. We know the MCU can sell a property that wasn’t huge in comics, like Guardians of the Galaxy, but the source material of the Abnett and Lanning run gave loads to work with.

It’s maybe just me but I have struggled to engage with Eternals when I’ve tried. It’s a lot of concept and very little character.

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Dave

I’m surprised Chan is top-billed; I assumed Madden was the lead.

It looks very much like ‘shared billing’ concept if that’s a thing, the extra ‘with’ and ‘and’ at the end for Important Actors. From the trailer it doesn’t look like Jolie and Hayek are just cameos.

I mean it could be in the movie that Chan is the central character but from that snippet it doesn’t really look like anyone is, maybe Madden stands in the front a bit more.

I don’t know much about Chan but I recently watched the first series of Humans and thought she was pretty great in that. It’s crazy that she’s so quickly got to top billing on a Marvel movie, shared or not.

The trailer definitely highlighted Chloe Zhao’s visual sensibilities, which is a good thing. Other than that, how knows what’s going on there.

Also, I know Marvel is bigger than any writer/director, but I feel like that trailer misses a beat by not mentioning how it’s written and directed by Academy Award winner Chloe Zhao.

[Martin Smith]

Dave wrote:

I don’t know much about Chan but I recently watched the first series of Humans and thought she was pretty great in that. It’s crazy that she’s so quickly got to top billing on a Marvel movie, shared or not.

Maybe it helps that it’s not her first.

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