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Nobody else really has chance to say, “Bruce, stop and think,” because it happens so fast.
There’s plenty of time. This isn’t Tony’s snap at the end in the heat of battle – this is Bruce’s snap when they’ve recovered the Infinity Stones and are just sitting around in Avengers HQ, carefully considering how they’re going to proceed.
And you’re right, Captain Pedant, it’s not a plot-hole, it’s just bad writing that turns our heroes into sociopaths who don’t give a moment’s thought to anyone but themselves.
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It’s a terrible outcome but it’s not a plot hole, it’s all in character and understandable.
It is, and not just because it’s Tony. If I had to choose between my kid(s) and reverting the injuries and deaths resulting from the snap… well, you better hope you weren’t on board a plane when it happened.
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Edit: ok, the phone bill thing is a plot hole :D
A few no prize options here.
I did have a Virgin Mobile sim card in the UK that never expired for taking trips back every year or two and it retained whatever balance I had until I added more credit on my next visit. I lost the card so not quite sure they still offer that but a connection lasting for 5 years without use is something that exists or existed in the real world.
Second version – as the people disappeared rather than died, things like The Leftovers show the hope everyone has of a reappearance, asking the phone companies to keep the numbers active is not illogical. The main driver to release numbers now is to re-use them but with half the population gone that’s not such a priority.
Third- is it definitely a mobile number or could it be the landline in their house on the farm? That one a bit less likely to have her name programmed in though instead of ‘home phone’.
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It’s a terrible outcome but it’s not a plot hole, it’s all in character and understandable.
Have you seen Spider-Man: Far from home? the plot hole gets bigger in that movie. Not returning to the moment of Thanos’ snap makes all the problems with the missing people being gone for 5 years.
There are rumors that Pepper was pregnant before the snap. Tony feels certain Pepper is already pregnant (he had a dream about it).
If this was true, much like Civil War, Tony is blowing things out of control and causing huge problems because of his neuroses. RDJ did a great job as Tony but the flaws and neuroses always seemed to make IM a less sympathetic character. I am biased. I was Team Cap even before Civil War.1 user thanked author for this post.
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Have you seen Spider-Man: Far from home? the plot hole gets bigger in that movie. Not returning to the moment of Thanos’ snap makes all the problems with the missing people being gone for 5 years.
That’s what makes it not a plot hole — it does have ramifications that were acknowledged in Far From Home. It’s not something they didn’t think about, it’s something they deliberately built into the plot.
Yes, the ramifications are vast and the more you think about it the more horrific you realise they must be. That’s what made it an interesting plot choice to me.
Also: Team Cap every time.
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Someone else pointed out not only the thing about pilots that disappeared midflight at 30,000 feet during Thanos’ snap, but where exactly do you think they and all the passengers who vanished appeared when they “snapped back”? Or anyone that was in a car, on a boat in the middle of the ocean or climbing a mountain…?
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You are living in your apartment then SNAP.
Five years later, you come back and someone else is living in your apartment and all of your stuff has been sold off or thrown away. You may still have your bank account and any other financial sources but you are basically homeless.
That was one advantage of the comic book story: the Snap only lasted a few hours, maybe a couple of days at the most. (I haven’t read it since it was first published.)
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Imagine if you were in prison on a ten year sentence. You pop back in your cell and… do you get five years added to your sentence?
The main plot hole with the snap is that it was daytime in Wakanda when Thanos did it. However, it was daytime at Clint’s house and in San Francisco when their families and friends vanished.
Marvel Earth is flat!
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In the end, you can justify pretty much everything they did, somehow, but that doesn’t make any of it a good idea… and if I ain’t giving a pass to WW84 for its terrible ideas, I ain’t giving a pass to Endgame…
It is crazy however, how right they got it with Infinity War (well, mostly… there’s a lot of crap in that one too) and oh how badly they fumbled it with Endgame… but hey, it seems most people didn’t really give a shit about any of that and were perfectly satisfied with a half-assed conclusion that by all rights should’ve gotten some GoTs8 levels of fan hatred… but there you go… sprinkle some jokes, a ton of fan service moments and some cute “I love you 3000” bits, and people will swallow anything…
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but there you go… sprinkle some jokes, a ton of fan service moments and some cute “I love you 3000” bits, and people will swallow anything…
Well, let’s put this a different way: The characters and the dialogues in the film worked, as did the dynamics of the individual scenes. Which just means that it was a well-executed movie. You can make a lot of bad plot choices, and people will go with it if the movie is well-executed because it’s still an entertaining experience. There were of course other dynamics at play in how well it was received (people desperately needed this movie to be good, just like Star Wars fans with the prequels, only those were such a steaming pile of shit that they were ripped out of the delusion), but even then fans talked about it less favourably than they did IW and I think it will be seen with less and less appreciation in retrospect as we move on from that special moment in time when it was released.
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only those were such a steaming pile of shit that they were ripped out of the delusion
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The main plot hole with the snap is that it was daytime in Wakanda when Thanos did it. However, it was daytime at Clint’s house and in San Francisco when their families and friends vanished.
Checked Date and Time’s daylight map. In summer especially there’s plenty of daylight overlap between California east Africa.
I’m piling up the no-prizes.
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One thing Marvel really should do is stop trying to get the phrase “the blip” over when absolutely nobody watching this stuff uses it. Just have the characters call it “the snap” like everyone does. The Avengers could have told the story to the world about what Thanos did, so the public knows it was a finger snap behind it all.
Well, The Snap is the people disappearing, The Blip is what the people who came back experienced – a 5-year blip in their timeline.
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You’ve been brought back to life from beyond the grave and it sounds like all you want to do is moan about it.
(Ummm…. I suppose I should point that’s a massive spoiler for Buffy the Vampire Slayer, for anyone that hasn’t seen it yet. (Why the hell haven’t you seen it yet????))
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I thought the dialogues and characters really suffered in GoT season 8; that is something that is overlooked a lot of the time.
I don’t agree with that… I thought the dialogues were perfectly fine, and the characters were mostly fine too… yea yea, people hated what happened with Danny and a couple of other chars, but again, the problem with GoT was just the pace of it, therefore the shortcuts they took. But speaking of what they did to Danny, that’s nowhere near as bad as what they did to Thanos in Endgame, for example.
Snapped out of existence makes just as much sense as blipped out of existence. Have the Avengers explained to the public what happened? If not there will be a lot of people wasting a lot of time and energy trying to figure it out.
Well… personally I don’t think I’ve heard the term “snap” used in that context outside of Thanos-related stuff… but sure… I mean, as I said, blip ain’t the best term either, logically people would call it the “vanishing” or the “rapture” or something more common and more fitting than that.
Oh, and I don’t know if they did, they never address the issue, but I’m thinking no. They probably explained it to some government agencies, sure, but I’m assuming it’s the kind of info that’s classified… and somehow I don’t see any of the Avengers going into a public AMA to explain how they utterly failed to stop a purple alien from snapping his fingers and using magic rocks to delete half the life in the universe… I don’t think that’d help anything or anyone…
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“That movie starring Jeff Bridges?”
“That’s the one.”
“That movie starring Jeff Bridges who starred in Iron Man?”
“Oh.”
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There are some new pictures released (or possibly leaked idk/gaf) from Thor: Love and Thunder. This one was very interesting:
There’s a serious Eric Masterson vibe to that outfit.
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Ryan Coogler is developing a Wakanda show for Disney+
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Oh, and I don’t know if they did, they never address the issue, but I’m thinking no. They probably explained it to some government agencies, sure, but I’m assuming it’s the kind of info that’s classified… and somehow I don’t see any of the Avengers going into a public AMA to explain how they utterly failed to stop a purple alien from snapping his fingers and using magic rocks to delete half the life in the universe… I don’t think that’d help anything or anyone…
It does start to get a bit too absurd. I mean, the universe is filled with entire races millions of years more advanced than Earth, but Tony Stark figures out time travel in a couple minutes.
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It does start to get a bit too absurd. I mean, the universe is filled with entire races millions of years more advanced than Earth, but Tony Stark figures out time travel in a couple minutes.
And I heard that in the comics, Earth of all places somehow manages to fight off universal threats that have consumed entire planets or even galaxies! It’s crazy!
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A raccoon? With a rocket?? Oh, my word.
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A raccoon? With a rocket?? Oh, my word.
Hey I resemble that remark. do you have a problem with it?
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Ah, Watchmen wasn’t as great as it could’ve been, but at its best it really was brilliant. Like you say, I’d rather see somebody trying to really go for it and miss than going for mediocre in the first place.
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Hum… I don’t know if I would say the show took big swings to be honest, I thought the overall story was rather mediocre… but I can agree that some parts of it were indeed brilliant. The obvious one would be the flashback episode, that was one heck of a tv episode for sure… award worthy, even.
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It looks fun enough for a buddy action movie type thing, and Mackie has charisma to spare. Am I right in thinking that it’s only a fairly short run too, 6 episodes or something like that? That should help keep it relatively tight.
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Not feeling Falcon & Winter Soldier.
Looks like a generic action film like a Fast & Furious installment.
Hate to say this, but after they shot their load with Endgame, it seems like, going forward, all they have left are a bunch of b- and c-list characters, and sloppy seconds from other studios like X-Men, Fantastic Four, Blade, and the pre-MCU Spiderman flicks from Sony.
It’s like, “No more Iron Man, Captain America, or Avengers, but here’s a Falcon & Winter Soldier tv series, Master of Kung Fu, Eternals, and some random characters from other studios’ movies.”
I might be proven wrong, but it feels like, between the pandemic putting everything in a holding pattern, and the a-list properties being used up, we’re going to be entering a spiral of diminishing returns.
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I really liked that trailer, gave me a Marvel Tango and Cash kinda vibe and bad ass action comedy is something I am very much in the mood for these days.
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gave me a Marvel Tango and Cash kinda vibe
That was exactly my thinking too.
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Goes back farther than that. see this from Civil war
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work/life. 🏹 so grateful. i hope you all are safe and well 💜 pic.twitter.com/Ha2IER2pcO
— Hailee Steinfeld (@HaileeSteinfeld) February 8, 2021
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I think Marvel Studios could make every one of those properties billion-dollar franchises.
Guardians, Dr Strange, Captain/Ms Marvel and Black Panther are franchises that for years couldn’t sustain their own title. When I started reading in the mid 80s, when comics sold really well, none of them had a book (although Strange had half a book in a short lived attempt).
It would be more exciting if it were airing before WandaVision, as originally planned.
Sanjay told me there are some story reasons it should have run first but they are pretty easily retooled. That man has an iron will, he just said he has the full series of Wandavision and Falcon & WS uploaded to his work server but is watching them along with the proles instead.
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Sanjay told me there are some story reasons it should have run first but they are pretty easily retooled. That man has an iron will, he just said he has the full series of Wandavision and Falcon & WS uploaded to his work server but is watching them along with the proles instead.
He has to tell you that otherwise the last thing he’d hear would be a sniper round coming through the window of his flat.
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That’s a fair point 😂
Honestly he is NDA’d up to his eyeballs and never gives a sniff of any plot stuff away even though he may have seen a movie 18 months in advance. We just get little snippets of behind the scenes stuff and maybe a little forewarning when a trailer will drop.
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She was great in Fresh Meat, the university show created by the Peep Show guys.
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Professor X and Magneto Could Form a Radically New MCU X-MEN
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This originated in the Daily Mail, so it’s like 10,000% true.
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This originated in the Daily Mail, so it’s like 10,000% true.
The newspaper that Wikipedia lists as untrustworthy? What a shock
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Ridley does not have the form to play Spider Woman, so she should slap her friend for getting her hopes up.
What i can’t wait for is when they cast Spider Gwen. Hailee Steinfeld can join Chris Evans and Michael B Jordan in the Dual Marvel role club.
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After their fake name shenanigans yesterday, this is the actual title of the next Spidey movie.
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Prepare for 5000 YouTube videos dissecting every detail of the whiteboard at the end of this:
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It’s just a bunch of jokes.
Yeah, like that’ll stop them.
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Spider-Man: No Way Jose!
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Don’t worry, I’m sure the Corridor Digital guys will do an R-rated version of all the upcoming Marvel movies.
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Some mother fuckers are always trying to ice skate up hill.
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Some mother fuckers are always trying to ice skate up hill.
Exactly, we need Blade’s iconic catchphrase =P
Why? The vampires turn to dust don’t they? Do you still yell “KEWL!” when you see buckets of fake blood or something?
And what if I did? Are you really getting snobby with me on a “Marvel movies” thread?
But to answer your question, not particularly no, however in the Blade movies they kinda exploded in a very gory fashion…
Also: vampires without blood is like superheroes without superpowers… but beyond that, I expect a movie about a vampire hunter to veer more into horror territory, which is where the R comes into play, it’s not so much about the blood but pretty much everything else.
Plus Feige’s being a hypocryte, he says Deadpool is okay as R because he’s already been established as and R franchise… well guess what? So is Blade.
I know you guys just like being snarky, but are you really interested in a PG13 Blade (or a PG13 vampire movie for that matter)? Hell, even the Underworld series was R-rated
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Great… a PG13 Blade… can’t wait u_u
Blade was PG when I started reading comics. I don’t see a problem
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I know you guys just like being snarky, but are you really interested in a PG13 Blade (or a PG13 vampire movie for that matter)?
I honestly don’t care what rating it is as long as it’s an entertaining movie. I think it’s perfectly possible to do horror without explicitly showing gore.
I’ve never understood the idea that you’re somehow being short-changed if you don’t see exploding body-parts. It’s not in any way entertaining. It’s like when you get a 5-minute sex scene in the movie – it adds literally nothing. I know they had sex… just pan away and get on with the story. And equally, I know Blade killed a vampire… I don’t need to see its head fly off!
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