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The MCU! The Disney+ series! Sony! (For the time being anyway.)

Talk about any and all Marvel movies and TV here.

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  • #49842

    There are, but sure, let’s go with that.

    So does that mean that the other series will be 40-60 mins lenght? Doubt it… I was hoping Marvel would do it differently, but it doesn’t seem so… and I mean, why should they? They clearly got away with it with the Madalorian for two movies… I mean seasons… u_u

  • #49847

    John Reilly Dies: Veteran Actor For ‘General Hospital’ And Other Soaps Was 84

    Relevant because he was also the voice of Hawkeye on the 90’s Iron Man animated series.

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  • #49852

    Sounds good but runs the risk of a story based around Doom hacking into the Four’s social media to discredit them and boost his own follower numbers.

    And in the end, Reed outsmarts him and Doom is deplatformed.

    DOOM insists that cancel culture has gone too far!

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  • #49890

    Yeesh… apparently Wandavision is gonna be the same-ish format as the Mandalorian, so presumably 8 short episodes (20-30 mins each)?

    That’s disapointing.

    Mandalorian’s episodes were very variable in length though, so who knows?

    I don’t care what length the individual episodes are as long as they’re good.

    (And by that I’m meaning I’m hoping for better-than-Mandalorian. Which was okay, but nothing to write home about.)

  • #49906

    The first three episodes at least, are apparently just note-perfect homages to the golden age (and I guess silver and bronze age) of domestic sitcoms, with only very minor deviations, so my biggest hope is that there isn’t too much filler, and that the writing is good. From what I’ve seen of the Mando, that isn’t necessarily the case.

  • #49907

    Well, it’s an entirely different team from Mando, isn’t it. Not sure who the writers are (the episodes’ writing credits aren’t out yet), but it’s interesting that the whole of the first season is apparently directed by the same director, and he’s got a pretty strong background – he directed episodes of, amongst other stuff, Fargo and Game of Thrones and interestingly a whole lot of It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia. So he should have the sitcom thing down, too, which is encouraging.

  • #49916

    a whole lot of It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia

    The Gang Says ‘No More Mutants’

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  • #49939

    Kevin Feige Confirms ‘Deadpool 3’ Is an MCU Movie; Teases R-Rating and When It’s Filming

    I felt like the Deadpool schtick got worn out pretty fast in the second movie, but I wonder whether the MCU might give it the material it needs to feel fresh again. A roast of the entire franchise might be quite fun.

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  • #50004

    Yeesh… apparently Wandavision is gonna be the same-ish format as the Mandalorian, so presumably 8 short episodes (20-30 mins each)?

    That’s disapointing.

    Yeah, but having seen two series of Mando, I think I’m seeing the rationale for it.

    Namely, people are used to movie-level presentation for these characters.  How do you do that on a TV budget? Shorter eps.

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  • #50007

    Yeah but that’s the disappointing thing… they don’t really need to stick to a TV budget… it’s fuckin Marvel, they could literally burn money at this point, so they’re just being stingy.

    Or you know, just make a movie… which is what they’re basically doing anyways, they’re just spreading it thin through 8 weeks to get more subscription cash… does it make sense? yes… is it nevertheless disapointing? very much so.

  • #50014

    Namely, people are used to movie-level presentation for these characters. How do you do that on a TV budget? Shorter eps.

    Feige says the first three are all about 30 mins, but it starts to vary after that.

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  • #50046

    Andy Kaufman.

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  • #50047

    Kevin Feige talks Disney+ episode length:

    “Well, we’re looking a little differently. We’re looking at it as developing them as either six hour-episodes, or nine or 10 half-hour episodes,” said Feige. “So, for instance, WandaVision started that way and Falcon and the Winter Soldier as 30 minutes, but because it’s streaming, it’s Disney+, and the rules have blurred over the years, yes. Some can be 23 minutes. Some can be much longer than that. But She-Hulk, for instance, is being developed as 10 30-minute episodes. Some will be longer and some will be shorter. Loki, Falcon and the Winter Soldier is being developed as six 40-50-minute episodes.”

    Moon Knight will also fall into the 6 x 40-50 minute format.

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  • #50064

    I mean, I don’t mind the variable lenght, it’s a good idea to adjust your runtime according to your script instead than to a hard lenght format… the problem is 20 mins is rather short for that type of show. It kinda worked with the mandalorian ’cause that show is just filler sprinkled with fan service, but unless they wanna do something as trite as that show, I don’t know if it’s gonna work all that well.

    We’ll see I guess… :unsure:

  • #50082

    Since it is not standard episodic television that needs to fit into a specific time-slot in increments of 30 minutes (minus time for commercials and promos), the length of each episode, as Jon notes, should be based on the needs of that particular story. I prefer not knowing the length in advance, since such knowledge acts as a sort of spoiler (if the “killer” is caught with 15 minutes left, we know he’s not the real killer — which is the format of every episode of Law&Order ever made). Unless Disney is planning to repackage these shows for syndication down the road, there is no need to adhere to a strict length of time per episode.

  • #50416

    Chris Evans may return as Cap. But not in a Captain America movie.

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  • #50424

    Hopefully it will be a flashback scene rather than something that negates the events of Endgame.

  • #50446

    Or hopefully it’ll be something that negates that crap ending from Endgame =P

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  • #50447

    We’re heading into multiverse territory, so anything goes. May as well throw Matt Salinger’s Cap out there while they’re at it.

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  • #50451

    Chris Evans just tweeted “news to me!” so it’s possible it was a false alarm. :unsure:

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  • #50452

    We’re heading into multiverse territory, so anything goes. May as well throw Matt Salinger’s Cap out there while they’re at it.

    What about Reb Brown?

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  • #50461

    Chris Evans just tweeted “news to me!” so it’s possible it was a false alarm. :unsure:

    I assume it’s like Maslany on She-Hulk or Steinfeld on Hawkeye where they contractually can’t confirm anything.

    I hope it’s not true though, I’m perfectly fine with his ending.

  • #50472

    I assume it’s like Maslany on She-Hulk or Steinfeld on Hawkeye where they contractually can’t confirm anything.

    I mean, he didn’t have to say anything.

  • #50519

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  • #50533

    I wish I had that much free time on my hands.

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  • #50536

    The concept of broccoli for breakfast is really blowing my mind right now.

  • #50538

    I wish I had that much free time on my hands.

    You do. You just use it more wisely.

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  • #50549

    You do. You just use it more wisely.

    Well, in Jerry’s case it’s mostly getting drunk and shooting squirrels, so it all depends on one’s definition of “wisdom”.

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  • #50606

    Well, in Jerry’s case it’s mostly getting drunk and shooting squirrels,

    Not all squirrels, just the ones that threaten me.

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  • #50636

    The new Captain America’s uniform !!

    A leak from the toy line of “The Falcon and The Winter Soldier” shows Sam Wilson’s new uniform.

  • #50637

    What Marvel movie was Christopher Lee in?

  • #50647

    Ethan Hawke to Play Villain Opposite Oscar Isaac in Marvel’s ‘Moon Knight’ (Exclusive)

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  • #50649

    What Marvel movie was Christopher Lee in?

    He was in the old Captain America movie from 1979

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  • #50655

    What Marvel movie was Christopher Lee in?

    He was in the old Captain America movie from 1979

    Ah yes, playing that classic Captain America villain… Miguel.

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  • #50657

    The new Captain America’s uniform !!

    A leak from the toy line of “The Falcon and The Winter Soldier” shows Sam Wilson’s new uniform.

    Ugh, so they’re really gonna do that shit, huh? Bummer… I’d really prefer if they made THE FALCON a more prominent/important character, instead of giving him a white man’s left overs… specially since he’s getting a pretty sweet costume update. Like, you want him to have the shield? Fine give him the fuckin shield… just let him be the Falcon, not second-hand diveristy mandated Cap… u_u

  • #50658

    The new Captain America’s uniform !!

    A leak from the toy line of “The Falcon and The Winter Soldier” shows Sam Wilson’s new uniform.

    Ugh, so they’re really gonna do that shit, huh? Bummer… I’d really prefer if they made THE FALCON a more prominent/important character, instead of giving him a white man’s left overs… specially since he’s getting a pretty sweet costume update. Like, you want him to have the shield? Fine give him the fuckin shield… just let him be the Falcon, not second-hand diveristy mandated Cap… u_u

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  • #50670

    Ethan Hawke to Play Villain Opposite Oscar Isaac in Marvel’s ‘Moon Knight’ (Exclusive)

    Wait what? I hadn’t even heard about Isaac!

    Very cool news both anyway.

    …who are Moon Knight’s villains anyway?

    It is unclear who Hawke would play, but Moon Knight’s archnemesis is a villain named Bushman, a fellow mercenary who turned on the hero when Egyptian gold came into the picture.

    Uh, okay, I doubt they’ll be using a villain called “Bushman”.

  • #50674

    Uh, okay, I doubt they’ll be using a villain called “Bushman”.

    You know what Marvel are like, if something is a problem they can rework it as necessary. I don’t think it’s a big issue.

  • #50689

    Uh, okay, I doubt they’ll be using a villain called “Bushman”.

    Maybe they’ll try to be relevant and call him “Trumpman”.

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  • #50691

    Uh, okay, I doubt they’ll be using a villain called “Bushman”.

    Maybe they’ll try to be relevant and call him “Trumpman”.

    And Moon Knight could be called The Bidet.

    He’s already all-white.

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  • #50719

    You know what Marvel are like, if something is a problem they can rework it as necessary. I don’t think it’s a big issue.

    Oh, I am sure it won’t be. Moon Knight has always been his own greatest enemy, so it doesn’t really matter all that much who they use.

  • #50742

    After WandaVision’s slightly offbeat concept, it occurs to me that the Lemire run on Moon Knight would be a great basis to play around with different TV show genres within the series. That could be fun.

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  • #50979

    Matt Damon cast in Thor: Love and Thunder

  • #51224

    Take with a grain of salt:

    Dusk: A New Marvel Comics Hero Is In Development For Sony: Exclusive

  • #51235

    ‘She-Hulk’: Ginger Gonzaga Joins Disney+ Marvel Series

  • #51284

    After WandaVision’s slightly offbeat concept, it occurs to me that the Lemire run on Moon Knight would be a great basis to play around with different TV show genres within the series. That could be fun.

    Yeah, the whole Steve Gerber line of Man Thing, Howard the Duck and Omega the Unknown really could use a much more eccentric approach.

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  • #51372

    Marvel’s first Asian lead Simu Liu said he ‘nearly cried’ when he first put on his ‘Shang-Chi’ superhero suit

    https://www.insider.com/marvel-shang-chi-actor-simu-liu-nearly-cried-superhero-mcu-2021-1

  • #51375

    Marvel’s first Asian lead Simu Liu said he ‘nearly cried’ when he first put on his ‘Shang-Chi’ superhero suit

    Those close-fitting superhero costumes can be tight around the crotch.

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  • #51397

    Marvel’s first Asian lead Simu Liu said he ‘nearly cried’ when he first put on his ‘Shang-Chi’ superhero suit

    Those close-fitting superhero costumes can be tight around the crotch.

    And you know this from personal experience?

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  • #51407

    Marvel’s first Asian lead Simu Liu said he ‘nearly cried’ when he first put on his ‘Shang-Chi’ superhero suit

    Those close-fitting superhero costumes can be tight around the crotch.

    And you know this from personal experience?

    That Psylocke outfit looked so roomy!

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  • #51410

    Marvel’s first Asian lead Simu Liu said he ‘nearly cried’ when he first put on his ‘Shang-Chi’ superhero suit

    Those close-fitting superhero costumes can be tight around the crotch.

    And you know this from personal experience?

    That Psylocke outfit looked so roomy!

    You wanted to feel pretty, didn’t you?

  • #51424

    That Psylocke outfit looked so roomy!

    Next time just stick to your Vampirella costume, Dave.

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  • #51447

    That Psylocke outfit looked so roomy!

    Next time just stick to your Vampirella costume, Dave.

    But I’ve run out of red dental floss!

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  • #51582

    What is the story here… No one likes Brie Larson?

    What stories have you heard?

  • #51643

    I’ve heard that her parents hated her so much they named her after cheese.

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  • #51656

    I never had a problem with Brie Larson, but I cannot abide her “character” in current car advertisements on television. She comes across as smug and snarky, which probably was not her intention.

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  • #51668

    I’ve heard that her parents hated her so much they named her after cheese.

    I wish my parents hated me that much.

  • #51691

    I wish my parents hated me that much.

    If you like, we can start calling you Camembert. Or Wensleydale. Your choice.

  • #51695

    Seems more like a Cheez Whiz to me… =P

  • #51733

    Some pretty decent X-Men fan films:

  • #51771

    No one likes Brie Larson?

    I do.

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  • #51802

    If you like, we can start calling you Camembert. Or Wensleydale. Your choice.

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  • #51972

    How Chris Evans Could Realistically Return as Captain America in the MCU

    https://www.menshealth.com/entertainment/a35300469/chris-evans-captain-america-return-marvel-multiverse/

  • #51977

    How Chris Evans Could Realistically Return as Captain America in the MCU

    Basically a synopsis of all the theories we have already considered and talked about already — multiverse, Wanda, Dr. Strange, etc.

  • #51994

    How Chris Evans Could Realistically Return as Captain America in the MCU

    https://www.menshealth.com/entertainment/a35300469/chris-evans-captain-america-return-marvel-multiverse/

    Disney agrees to pay him a ridiculous amount of money and he agrees to let them?

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  • #52134

    Dane DeHaan says there’s “no truth” to rumours of his return for Marvel’s Spider-Man 3

    https://www.radiotimes.com/movies/2021-01-26/dane-dehaan-spider-man-3/

  • #52144

    Who asked?? No seriously, he’s about the only one who hasn’t been rumoured to be in… xD

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  • #52163

    Look, shut up trying to get him to tell you all about himself, okay? He’s said he isn’t in it, and that’s that.

    …now would you like to know about his current projects, by any chance?

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  • #52182

    JR, you’ve really gotta be a little more selective about the links you post.

    Like this one for example! (WARNING: contains multiple uses of the word penis.)

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  • #52236

    Love the ending to the anecdote!

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  • #52249

    Love the ending to the anecdote!

    My favourite subtitle is “flustered British noises.” I may just carry a screen-cap of that round with me in real life.

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  • #52278

    Which is the better Hulk film?

    Ang Lee/Eric Bana 2003

    or

    Louis Leterrier/Edward Norton 2008

    I like them both a lot. The Hulk himself looks absolutely amazing for its time in the 2003 version (althought the dogs don’t).

  • #52281

    Which is the better Hulk film?

    I preferred Leterrier’s standard direction over Lee’s stylistic (comic-booky) one, and I preferred the Tim Roth antagonist over Nick Nolte’s “bad dad. On the other hand Jennifer Connelly is a better Betty Ross than Liv Tyler. Overall, I’d choose INCREDIBLE HULK over adjectiveless HULK

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  • #52283

    Better Thunderbolt Ross: Sam Elliott or William Hurt?

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  • #52288

    Better Thunderbolt Ross: Sam Elliott or William Hurt?

    Sam Elliot, every time.

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  • #52289

    Sam Elliot, e-a-s-y!

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  • #52310

    I preferred Leterrier’s standard direction over Lee’s stylistic (comic-booky) one, and I preferred the Tim Roth antagonist over Nick Nolte’s “bad dad. On the other hand Jennifer Connelly is a better Betty Ross than Liv Tyler. Overall, I’d choose INCREDIBLE HULK over adjectiveless HULK

    Yeah, me too. I didn’t like Lee’s Hulk back then. I don’t remember all that much, but I do remember I felt that Lee didn’t do himself any favours by oedipal-ising it all, and that his attempt to use comic point aesthetics completely missed the point of how comics work. (Hint: You don’t take in all the panels at once.) It was taking itself too seriously in a lot of the wrong ways.

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  • #52314

    I didn’t like Lee’s Hulk back then. I don’t remember all that much, but I do remember I felt that Lee didn’t do himself any favours by oedipal-ising it all, and that his attempt to use comic point aesthetics completely missed the point of how comics work.

    Was it “oedipal”? I don’t remember it that well, but I thought they just stole the fact that his dad was emotionally and physically abusive from the comics. (Which incidentally, Bill Mantlo stole from a graphic novel that Barry Windsor-Smith was working on.)

    I hated the comic-panel thing though. It was such an obvious and stupid thing to do, and like you said, it showed a complete misunderstanding of the medium.

    I may go and re-watch Incredible Hulk now. I watched a whole bunch of MCU movies a while ago, of which Iron Man 2 is the worst by far, but I didn’t watch Incredible, so maybe that title is still up for grabs.

  • #52325

    Was it “oedipal”? I don’t remember it that well, but I thought they just stole the fact that his dad was emotionally and physically abusive from the comics. (Which incidentally, Bill Mantlo stole from a graphic novel that Barry Windsor-Smith was working on.)

    His dad is the movie’s main villain. He kinda gets Absorbing Man powers and everything.

    I thought “Incredible” was fine. Nothing to write home about, but it worked well enough.

  • #52326

    I may go and re-watch Incredible Hulk now. I watched a whole bunch of MCU movies a while ago, of which Iron Man 2 is the worst by far, but I didn’t watch Incredible, so maybe that title is still up for grabs.

    I’ve been avoiding the Antman films. But I’d watch Iron Man 2 again.

    Mistake?

  • #52328

    I’ve been avoiding the Antman films. But I’d watch Iron Man 2 again. Mistake?

    This is all you need to see of Iron Man 2. I actually felt physical pain watching the rest of it.

     

  • #52329

    Both films are average, overall. The Lee version has higher highs but also lower lows. The Letterier version is consistently just okay. I’d rather just enjoy Ruffalo’s Hulk, even if only in small doses.

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  • #52331

    This is all you need to see of Iron Man 2. I actually felt physical pain watching the rest of it.

    Edit

    Oh wait, i’m thinking of iron man 3!

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  • #52334

    I found Leterrier’s Hulk to be enjoyable but nothing special.

    This is the closest I’ve come to seeing Ang Lee’s Hulk:

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  • #52343

    But I’d watch Iron Man 2 again.

    Mistake?

    If nothing else, you get to watch the great Sam Rockwell stealing every scene he appears in.

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  • #52419

    Ang Lee’s THE HULK did have some interesting moments mixed in with a completely absurd story and some really fascinatingly misdirected and baffling moments. All through the movie, I was wondering what exactly was the intent for this? What is the ultimate reason to watch this?

    I felt the same way about MAN OF STEEL actually, though, and a few MARVEL movies too.

    By the way, in INFINITY WAR, if THANOS could erase half the people of the universe from existence,why didn’t he simply erase the memories of those people from the survivors with the mind stone while he was at it? Seems like an obvious option. Let people get on with their lives.

  • #52424

    Surprisingly, I don’t agree about MoS… it has enough meat in there for it to be worth watching. Or well, at least I thought it explored some interesting (even if not necessarily new) concepts in a clever way.

    Ang Lee’s Hulk, not so much… there’s some stuff there, but they decided to bury it under that asinine plot with his father… everything related to Bruce’s father is kinda boring and shit.

    About Thanos, well you could say he actually wants people to remember so that they do better next time, but it doesn’t work either, because just a handful of people knew what happened and why… :unsure:

    Also, I’ve changed my mind… well, sort of… I now believe the best MCU movie, when considering them as “stand alone” movies, that is, is Doctor Strange. Close second being GotG1. I’d love to put Winter Soldier up there, but you really need to watch Cap1 first… bummer…

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  • #52427

    Oh wait, i’m thinking of iron man 3!

    Ah yes. That makes more sense.

  • #52439

    By the way, in INFINITY WAR, if THANOS could erase half the people of the universe from existence,why didn’t he simply erase the memories of those people from the survivors with the mind stone while he was at it? Seems like an obvious option. Let people get on with their lives.

    Oh boy, don’t get me started on the problems with “The Snap.” Okay, well you did so…

    Here’s my big problem with Endgame – not so much Infinity War, which I loved; it exceeded my expectations in fact – but Endgame? Hooooo boy…

    The problem I have is this; why did Cap decide to leave the 5 years after The Snap happened intact? Billions of people suffered a loss that day, and then they mourned their loved ones, and most likely got on with their lives – for the next 5 years. Many of those who lost spouses etc. may have started new relationships, remarried, had children, built a new life for themselves. And now – thanks to the dumbass Avengers, the people they lost are back!

    Think of the carnage that will have caused, the heartache! Should they stay with their new partners, get back together with the ones they lost? What about the people who were snapped back into existence? I bet they’re REAL HAPPY they’re back and their wife is married to the next door neighbour who didn’t get snapped that day!

    And all of this could have been avoided if they’d just snapped everyone back like they were never gone – but Cap explicitly states that those 5 years should not be erased. So why?

    Because Tony Stark had a kid during those 5 years, that’s why. And Hollywood logic states it’s WAY SADDER when someone dies if they have a cute little kid.

    So the Avengers caused worldwide, easily avoidable mayhem just so we’d be sad when Tony died. What a bunch of assholes.

    Don’t even get me started on the sub-Star Trek revisiting-old-moments-from-MCU-history bullshit, which is nothing but cheap fan-wank.

    So to summarise, Infinity War = great, Endgame = festering pile of sewage.

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #52442

    Infinity War = great, Endgame = festering pile of sewage.

    Ahhh see? I knew we had something in common =P

    Also, from now on I’m calling it the IMCU, ’cause the really made it all about fuckin’ Tony Stark and RDJ. Motherfucker’s “dead” and it’s still all revolving around Stark somehow… fuck off…

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  • #52445

    Especially true given that the powers of the infinity stones are vague enough to allow for anything, so you could both undo the snap and keep Tony’s kid around without breaking any of the “rules”.

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  • #52485

    So to summarise, Infinity War = great, Endgame = festering pile of sewage.

    I agree with the general sentiment, but minded all of it rather less. It was entertaining enough while it lasted, but I’ll never feel the need to watch Endgame again. Whereas with Infinity War, I’ve already watched it twice (I know that’s not a lot for many people, but I don’t rewatch a lot of movies).

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  • #52497

    I agree with the general sentiment, but minded all of it rather less.

    I don’t generally mind plot-holes if the movie is good enough to overlook it, but it’s such a huge plot-hole… I mean, by the law of averages, half the pilots in the air at the moment of The Snap would have disappeared. So Cap is just fine with hundreds of plane-crashes happening that he could prevent? The more you think about it, the worse it gets. It wouldn’t matter so much if it was a standalone movie, but the fact that it’s an ongoing shared world just makes it worse.

    But aside from that…. I mean, Marvel Studios have done such a great job of bringing this world to life, and the fact that they can still surprise and delight after more than a decade is nothing short of miraculous.

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  • #52498

    My better half has been watching Bridgerton on Netflix. Not exactly my cup of tea but Regé-Jean Page seems like he would make a fine T’Challa should Marvel go down the recasting route…

     

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  • #52503

    I mean, by the law of averages, half the pilots in the air at the moment of The Snap would have disappeared. So Cap is just fine with hundreds of plane-crashes happening that he could prevent?

    We did even see that. In the post-credit to Infinity War, there are planes and cars crashing around Fury.

    …does Cap explicitly say to not revert the snap? I think I simply interpreted the way it went as, well, that was the best Tony could do.

  • #52508

    …does Cap explicitly say to not revert the snap? I think I simply interpreted the way it went as, well, that was the best Tony could do.

    I just checked and it’s actually Iron Man who says it to Hulk. An hour and one minute in, he says “Everyone Thanos snapped away five years ago, you’re just bringing them back to now, today. Don’t change anything from the last five years.” And Hulk snaps. And then Clint’s phone rings because his wife’s back.

     

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  • #52510

    Good thing she was able to pay her phone bill for five years while no longer existing.

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  • #52511

    So Tony says it to keep his kid in existence, because, well it’s Tony. And Bruce does it because he’s messed up by Natasha’s death and not thinking things through clearly at that point. Nobody else really has chance to say, “Bruce, stop and think,” because it happens so fast.

    It’s a terrible outcome but it’s not a plot hole, it’s all in character and understandable.

    Edit: ok, the phone bill thing is a plot hole :D

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    Surprisingly, I don’t agree about MoS… it has enough meat in there for it to be worth watching. Or well, at least I thought it explored some interesting (even if not necessarily new) concepts in a clever way.

    I think they have similar problems though MoS is more interesting.

    As far as Man Of Steel, it felt like it would have been a better story if it had committed more to its conflicts. It implied a lot as far as what Clark/Kal do should with his power, but it never finally committed to answering that as he was simply reacting to events rather than driving the action. That’s a problem with a lot of superheroes though.

    In THE HULK, the movie did set up a pretty interesting conflict in that the way the military behaved pretty much justified David Banner’s hatred of them, but David was too unhinged to present a good case to Bruce that the world needs fixing. Then they give him this batshit speech at the end to lay out his position, and it was ridiculous. If the movie had strengthened the abuses of the military where they treat Bruce as a test subject and potential military asset and his father is the only one who treats him as a human being (but turns out to simply want to use him, too) with Betty caught between both sides and the only one that understands he needs help, then the conflict in the story would have been dramatic.

    Essentially, that is the movie’s dramatic throughline, but I doubt anyone really got that from watching it. Ang Lee and the producers said they were trying to make a Greek Tragedy out of a comic book, but maybe they should have read some Sophocles or Euripides or at least the Cliff Notes to The Poetics before making it.

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