Marvel Movies & TV: Phase Two

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What is a spoiler? It’s a question worth asking these days, as more and more comic book movie news is first reported by fan-driven blogs drawing from leaked set photos. For example, is Alfred Molina’s oft-rumored and now confirmed return as Doctor Octopus in the next Spider-Man movie a spoiler? Will the character appear in the film’s marketing materials, or is his return a “reveal” in the script? I won’t pretend to know, but what I do know is that the constant drip drip drip of comic book movie news sure has made the movies themselves feel anti-climactic. But if that’s what the people want, then who am I to argue?

Because guess what? They’re all coming back. Everyone.

Just like Jamie Foxx’s Electro, Andrew Garfield will be back, and if Sony/Marvel can close a deal with Tobey Maguire, he’ll be back too. Kirsten Dunst will return as MJ, and I expect Emma Stone to reprise her role as Gwen Stacy, pregnancy permitting. Why? Because this third Spider-Man movie starring Tom Holland will delve into the multi-verse, just like its animated counterpart Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse. I don’t think that’s a big secret at this point, so why do we pretend it is? Because we love the pageantry of it all.

What’s crazy is how DC and Marvel are doing the same shit… BvS announced? Marvel announces Civil War… JL announced? Marvel did IW and EG (which are/were eerily close conceptually), DC announces Flashpoint + the return of Keaton, etc… Marvel announces Homecoming 3 and the return of x, y and z… u_u

It’d be more exciting if they weren’t doing the same crap.

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Honestly, I’d have liked just another Spider-Man movie. We had Into the Multiverse, which was great, but I don’t need that from the real-life Spider-Man films yet. Like with Civil War, I think they’re doing this too early.

But then again, what the hell do I know. I do trust Jon Watts and McKenna/Sommers; they delivered one movie that really knocked it out of the park and a pretty good sequel.

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[Steve Sensible]

I’m hoping they’re in the movie for all of 5 seconds, glimpsed in other universes before vanishing forever. That was my suggestion for how they should be handled years ago, but I’m guessing now the entertainment news sites are making such a big deal of their presence, they’ll actually have to DO something. :rolleyes:

Also, Nicholas Hammond must be feeling very left out right now.

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Todd

I’m hoping Tobey Maguire shows up dressed all in black and does nothing but dance.

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Christian wrote:

Honestly, I’d have liked just another Spider-Man movie. We had Into the Multiverse, which was great, but I don’t need that from the real-life Spider-Man films yet. Like with Civil War, I think they’re doing this too early.

I’m wondering whether the multiverse aspect is partly just an excuse to shortcut to a Sinister Six movie without having to set up the likes of Doc Ock, Electro etc. in the MCU all over again.

You could easily have some villainous plot where bad guys are pulled together from all over the multiverse and then have the Maguire and Garfield Spideys show up at the end to help save the day alongside Holland. The multiverse stuff wouldn’t even need to be a main focus, just the mechanism to bring these characters back.

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Dave wrote:

I’m wondering whether the multiverse aspect is partly just an excuse to shortcut to a Sinister Six movie without having to set up the likes of Doc Ock, Electro etc. in the MCU all over again.

I honestly can’t see a 70-year-old Alfred Molina wanting to be that involved – judging from his IMDB he mainly does voice work these days. But maybe one of the younger guys like Electro could swap universes permanently. We know Michael Keaton/Vulture is in the Morbius movie, so add Venom to the mix as well and you’ve already got half of a potential Sinister Six.

Dave wrote:

I’m wondering whether the multiverse aspect is partly just an excuse to shortcut to a Sinister Six movie without having to set up the likes of Doc Ock, Electro etc. in the MCU all over again. You could easily have some villainous plot where bad guys are pulled together from all over the multiverse and then have the Maguire and Garfield Spideys show up at the end to help save the day alongside Holland. The multiverse stuff wouldn’t even need to be a main focus, just the mechanism to bring these characters back.

Is this a late-bendis plot? it sure sounds like it :)

I checked out the Wiki page for the upcoming HAWKEYE series, and was disappointed that Linda Cardellini (Laura Barton in the Avengers films) is not signed on for the show, although the three children/actors from the films are all in the series. I really enjoyed her scenes with Renner in Age of Ultron, and how she dealt with all the superheroes hiding out in her house. Hopefully Marvel/Disney is still in negotiations with her.

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Christian wrote:

Honestly, I’d have liked just another Spider-Man movie. We had Into the Multiverse, which was great, but I don’t need that from the real-life Spider-Man films yet. Like with Civil War, I think they’re doing this too early.

But then again, what the hell do I know. I do trust Jon Watts and McKenna/Sommers; they delivered one movie that really knocked it out of the park and a pretty good sequel.

My main concern is the Spider-Man multiverse movie comes not too long after the fantastic Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse animated movie. While this movie sounds like it will be very different, it still feels like it has a similar theme. I’ll give it a chance but I hope it doesn’t negatively impact the animated movie sequel.

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Dave wrote:

I’m wondering whether the multiverse aspect is partly just an excuse to shortcut to a Sinister Six movie without having to set up the likes of Doc Ock, Electro etc. in the MCU all over again.

I honestly can’t see a 70-year-old Alfred Molina wanting to be that involved – judging from his IMDB he mainly does voice work these days. But maybe one of the younger guys like Electro could swap universes permanently. We know Michael Keaton/Vulture is in the Morbius movie, so add Venom to the mix as well and you’ve already got half of a potential Sinister Six.

It can’t be that hard playing the corpse of a drowned man.

Er, spoilers, I guess.

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He did do a great job imo so allowing him to do a cameo or larger part works for me. Hell’s Kitchen is not that far from Brooklyn. SM3 is adding so many people that it looks more multiversal than DS2.

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Todd

I wouldn’t believe it until it’s reported by a reputable site. So far it’s just the clickbait sources like Grace Randolph “confirming” it.

Steve Sensible wrote:

Also, Nicholas Hammond must be feeling very left out right now.

Him and Shinji Tōdō.

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I think the multiverse stuff will just be an excuse to shift Spidey out of the MCU and into the Sony-verse. With an an in-story explanation that could leave the door open for another crossover.

Pete approaches Dr. Strange for help hiding his identity. Magical nonsense happens, a quick jaunt through the multiverse, and in the end Peter gets his wish but finds himself in a similar world with no Avengers.

I keep forgetting that all the identity stuff is out in the open now. I wonder if they can make that work. When it happened in the comics it kind of wrecked Spidey stories for a while.

Travis M wrote:

I think the multiverse stuff will just be an excuse to shift Spidey out of the MCU and into the Sony-verse. With an an in-story explanation that could leave the door open for another crossover.

Pete approaches Dr. Strange for help hiding his identity. Magical nonsense happens, a quick jaunt through the multiverse, and in the end Peter gets his wish but finds himself in a similar world with no Avengers.

This seems a fine way to get the inevitable Spider-Man Vs Venom movie.

Travis M wrote:

I think the multiverse stuff will just be an excuse to shift Spidey out of the MCU and into the Sony-verse. With an an in-story explanation that could leave the door open for another crossover.

The Sonyverse IS the MCU. Haven’t you seen the Morbius trailer? Not only are they taking credit for the last two Spider-Man movies, Michael Keaton’s Vulture is in it.

Yeah, it only makes sense to use everything established in those movies and act as if this was one universe… but on the other hand to tacitly ignore everything MCU-related. Which would be fine, really. I mean, there was a lot of MCU in the first two movies, but I am sure none of us would cry a tear if Spidey’s connection to Tony Stark wasn’t mentioned anymore.

Although the multiverse malarkey raises the possibility of a Tony Stark cameo.

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Todd

God I hope not. Spider-Man constantly being defined in terms of his relationship to Tony Stark is the worst aspect of the MCU version.

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Todd

Agreed. But it is balanced out by Hot Aunt May.

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Dave wrote:

God I hope not. Spider-Man constantly being defined in terms of his relationship to Tony Stark is the worst aspect of the MCU version.

Also, so far Spidey’s foes have just been people who are mad at Tony Stark. And he’s frickin’ Iron Man Jr. with that hi-tech suit. It says a lot about how good those movies are – and how great Tom Holland is – that those aspects of the character don’t annoy me more.

I don’t want to moan too much as there’s still a lot that’s good about the Tom Holland Spidey (not least Holland himself), but I came out of the last movie feeling like they’d missed the point of the character completely and turned him into agent Cody Banks or something.

I’d happily watch uncle Ben get shot 100 times over if it meant we could avoid this new core motivation for Spidey of having to live up to the legacy of Iron Man.

(Also, I hope they get some decent web-slinging in the next one.)

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Hot Aunt May

That’s a concept that still takes getting used to.

Todd wrote:

saga wrote:

Hot Aunt May

That’s a concept that still takes getting used to.

It’s the gift that keeps on giving.

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Steve Sensible wrote:

Who wants to tell him about Civil War and the last two Avengers movies?

THAT’S NOT THE JOKE, DAVE!

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Dave wrote:

I’d happily watch uncle Ben get shot 100 times over if it meant we could avoid this new core motivation for Spidey of having to live up to the legacy of Iron Man.

Luckily for uncle Ben, all it’ll presumably take is for Marvel’s and Sony’s deal to run out.

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Todd

Steve Sensible wrote:

I hope he never tries to read the comics.

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Todd

I’ll say it again, the MCU Spider-man is Spider-man in name only… I mean, sure, he has some of the basic SM traits, or it wouldn’t work at all, but as he is, he’s more of an Iron Man jr…

I’m still surprised the general fandom didn’t reject him. I guess a lot of it is due to Tom Holland, who is a great Peter Parker/SM even though he isn’t really. But it’s still super ironic that a fandom who is soooooo nitpicky and anal hasn’t made a huge fuss over it… I mean, look at how much shit Snyder got for his slight tweaks to Batman and Superman… just imagine if he’d made as many changes to them… =/

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Poor Zack Snyder. He truly is Jesus-like in his martyrdom.

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Steve Sensible wrote:

Poor Zack Snyder. He truly is Jesus-like in his martyrdom.

Case in point.

Jon wrote:

I’ll say it again, the MCU Spider-man is Spider-man in name only… I mean, sure, he has some of the basic SM traits, or it wouldn’t work at all, but as he is, he’s more of an Iron Man jr…

I’m still surprised the general fandom didn’t reject him. I guess a lot of it is due to Tom Holland, who is a great Peter Parker/SM even though he isn’t really. But it’s still super ironic that a fandom who is soooooo nitpicky and anal hasn’t made a huge fuss over it… I mean, look at how much shit Snyder got for his slight tweaks to Batman and Superman… just imagine if he’d made as many changes to them… =/

To be fair, the MCU has engendered quite a bit of goodwill from its fans and they put out a product the masses enjoy. The tweaks to the characters work within the larger structure of the shared universe. While hardcore and long-term fans may flinch and clutch their pearls, the fans of the movies and casual comics fans are having fun.

With the DCEU, they were late to the game and Marvel set a certain level of expectation for superhero movies. For the most part, the initial DC movies did not meet that expectation. Wonder Woman and Aquaman where more more Marvel in flavor and were very successful. Joker went in it’s own direction that differed from all that came before and made over a billion dollars.

Todd wrote:

To be fair, the MCU has engendered quite a bit of goodwill from its fans and they put out a product the masses enjoy. The tweaks to the characters work within the larger structure of the shared universe. While hardcore and long-term fans may flinch and clutch their pearls, the fans of the movies and casual comics fans are having fun.

Oh yeah, that’s a fact… and kinda my point, because you don’t see many fanboy videos reaging about the MCU spidey, even from the usual “harcore long-term” suspects… it’s a generally well received flick despite the massive changes. Honestly I think this thread might be the most backlash I’ve seen toward Tony jr.

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WHOA!!! Falcon looks BAD-ASS!!! They did a great job with his costume… about time too… man they better not turn him into cap after finally give him a proper and good looking costume…

Also, damn, that Falcon & Bucky looks movie quality… I’m very impressed… I do wonder if they’re gonna pull a mandalorian and chop them into 30 min episodes… =/

At any rate, very much looking forward to that one, most than all the rest, because Mackie and Stan have a fantastic chemestry behind the cameras, so I’m guessing they’re gonna make for a very entertaining pair.

Wandavision looks a lot more Tv-like… but I guess that’s very much okay given the context… I’m still not super hot about it though, I very much also like those two chars, but I’m afraid the whole TV epsidoe shtick is gonna wear thin fast… we’ll see. At any rate, glad to see both Wand and Vision more. They deserve the screen time.

As for Loki… I dunno… I guess it has potential, they’re not really saying what exactly it is about, except it seems to be about multiverse stuff too. But hey, sure why not… looks decent too. I still absolutely hate thay logo though.

What If… I don’t really care all that much, sure I’ll watch them but meh… Most what ifs / elseworlds tend to be rather bland.

Ms Marvel doesn’t look like its geared towards me, that’s fine. Unless I hear something exceptionally enticing about it, I’ll skip the teenage stuff.

Lastly… what, no Hawkeye promo? ='(

Anyhoo, januray for Wandavision, March for Falconbuck… no dates for the rest… eh… a bit disapointing…

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All of the Marvel Studios News Coming out of The Walt Disney Company’s 2020 Investor Day Presentation

https://www.marvel.com/articles/movies/new-marvel-cinematic-universe-movies-shows-disney-plus

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Jon wrote:

Also, damn, that Falcon & Bucky looks movie quality…

That was my thought too with that helicopter fight. No time or budget skimped on that.

While we knew about a chunk of them before there are now officially 24 Marvel products in the works.

Christian Bale playing Gorr The God Butcher is a big one for me. Unexpected is Tim Roth coming back as the Abomination in She-Hulk. Black Panther (or maybe more specifically T’Challa) will not be recast, Ryan Coogler will tell wider stories of Wakanda.

 

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DavidM

Huh so Kang (Jonathan Majors, yay!) in Ant-Man 3?? Weird, but okay… They’re really going all out with the “weird & zany” titles, aren’t they?

Anyways, that GotG christmas special sounds fuckin awful.

Also, I was gonna write “well I guess the rumours of Brie Larson being replaced ain’t true”, but then I saw that they’re gonna have both Ms Marvel AND Monica Rambeau in Cpt. Marvel 2… soooo… might not mean anything, but it might mean a lot. I’m all for a Monica Rambeau Cpt. Marvel, as I’ve previously said.

Lastly… I wonder… what was whatever Disney were trying to bury with this gigantic info dump? Were the 2020 losses high or something? =P

I know they might think they’re honoring Chadwick by not recasting but I doubt he’d have wanted the character T’Challa to die with him. And considering how big Marvel tends to get on brand synergy, I can’t help but worry what that means for comics T’Challa.

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Todd

I, on the other hand, thought that Cap&Winter Soldier looked a bit bland (if expensive), whereas Loki looks fantastic and I am still looking forward to WandaVision most of all.

So, Loki is going to be “Loki: Agent of the TVA” and he’s going on all kinds of wacky adventures, yeah? Sounds like a great idea (even if Umbrella Academy kinda has gone there first on TV).

Jon wrote:

Anyways, that GotG christmas special sounds fuckin awful.

Today is opposite to Jon day, apparently! Because I also think that a GotG christmas special sounds spectacular! Whooo!

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Well I’m sure anyone who enjoys the comedy diarrhea that the GotG became after the first movie will love it… I can’t say that it sounds like a good time to me.

Loki has potential, but I’m not getting my hopes up too much because it could get very CW-y very quickly with that premise (kinda sounds like a Legends of Tomorrow spin-off).

I’d love some news of Blade though, I kinda forgot that was happening… although now that I think about it, a Disney Blade… eh…

Well they announced Mahershala Ali is playing Blade, don’t know if that was mentioned before but it’s news to me and great casting.

garjones wrote:

Well they announced Mahershala Ali is playing Blade, don’t know if that was mentioned before but it’s news to me and great casting.

It was announced at SDCC 2019.

While we knew about a chunk of them before there are now officially 24 Marvel products in the works.

Odd that there’s no mention of GotG Vol. 3 on there.

Weird that they’re aging down America Chavez (the actress is 14) for Doctor Strange, but I guess it leads weight to the rumour of them setting up Young Avengers.

paul f wrote:

Odd that there’s no mention of GotG Vol. 3 on there.

It’s mentioned here:

https://www.marvel.com/articles/movies/new-marvel-cinematic-universe-movies-shows-disney-plus

The Marvel Studios’ original special is coming to Disney+ ahead of the 2023 feature film!

And here:

https://www.marvel.com/articles/movies/james-gunn-holiday-special-guardians-of-the-galaxy-3

Before Star-Lord, Gamora, Drax, Rocket, and Groot hit the big screen with the next Guardians of the Galaxy film in 2023, watch the Guardians engage in some spirited shenanigans in an all-new original special, created for Disney+, during the 2022 holiday season.

 

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Jon wrote:

Well I’m sure anyone who enjoys the comedy diarrhea that the GotG became after the first movie will love it… I can’t say that it sounds like a good time to me.

…because there was no comedy in the first movie?

For the record, I am of those who enjoyed the first movie far more than the second one, but that was for reasons that had nothing to do with the comedy of the movies, which was great both times.

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garjones wrote: Well they announced Mahershala Ali is playing Blade, don’t know if that was mentioned before but it’s news to me and great casting. It was announced at SDCC 2019.

Indeed… hence why I’d love some news… or some new news if you will =P

It’s gonna be hard to not think Wesley Snipes when thinking about Blade, but if anyone can do it, it’s Mahershala Ali, he’s really a great casting pick.

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…because there was no comedy in the first movie? For the record, I am of those who enjoyed the first movie far more than the second one, but that was for reasons that had nothing to do with the comedy of the movies, which was great both times.

Yes there was, and it was organic and natural and mostly actually funny… Can’t say the same for the second one and beyond (IW & Endgame), where they decided to sacrifice any kind of character growth or progression to the “MCU succesful comedy formula (TM)”.

I mean, at least the MCU has a successful formula.

Loved the Loki show, although I hope he’s not just revisiting moments we’ve already seen from the MCU – it was that kind of sub-Star-Trek fan-wank that ruined Endgame for me.

F&WS looks good, if not that interesting. I like that Zemo is back though.

Very excited for FF, glad to hear it’s not Peyton Reed at the helm, because the Ant-man movies are terrible, and Jon Watts has done great things with Spidey.

I’m going to withhold judgement on F4 until I at least hear the pitch/casting for it. Watts is fine, but there’s nothing in his other movies that make me think he has a new or interesting take on the characters.

Reed’s plan to do it in a faux-60s style à la his “Down with Love” would have been a lot of fun at least. I don’t love the Ant-Man movies, but he at least seemed passionate about doing a Fantastic Four movie. Watts just seems like he was given the job because he was in the family.

Watts is going to be busy on Spidey 3 for the next year, so I assume F4 will be 2023 or 2024?

Yeah, at this point I’d guess 2024 at the earliest.

paul f wrote:

Reed’s plan to do it in a faux-60s style à la his “Down with Love” would have been a lot of fun at least. I don’t love the Ant-Man movies, but he at least seemed passionate about doing a Fantastic Four movie.

I think it would have been a campy mess. His “passion” apparently doesn’t include finishing scripts on time, if the Ant-Man movies are anything to go by. His humour is kind sub-SNL wackiness – and I speak as someone who’s never in his life found SNL remotely amusing. He doesn’t come across as that smart to me, whereas Watts seems thoughtful and intelligent.

I’d much prefer a campy mess over competent but boring.

Dave wrote:

Yeah, at this point I’d guess 2024 at the earliest.

End Game was set in 2023, right? FF turning up just as we catch up to that timeline would be interesting. Maybe they enter the MCU as a result of the events in End Game.

saga wrote:

End Game was set in 2023, right?

I’d forgotten that. Is the movie timeline effectively going to go on pause for the next few years to let the real world catch up?

(Skipping right over 2020 looks like a masterstroke in hindsight.)

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First reactions:

Loki – Looks genuinely great. I think this will be fun, would definitely watch.

Falcon & Bucky – Looks well produced but nothing hooks me. It looks like a rehash of a dozen other things I’ve seen, only with some MCU B-listers.

What If – Not a big fan of American animation (Scooby-Doo excepted), and I’ve probably already read every possible alternate MU story already, so I’m not the target market for this.

Wandavision – That’s how you hook someone with a trailer. I have no idea what that was but I want to see more of it.

Ms. Marvel – Well that wasn’t really a trailer, so I’ll reserve judgement until I see one.

 

 

 

paul f wrote:

I’m going to withhold judgement on F4 until I at least hear the pitch/casting for it. Watts is fine, but there’s nothing in his other movies that make me think he has a new or interesting take on the characters.

Pft. I don’t need new or original, I need someone to get the characters right. Jon Watts was the first director who really made Spider-Man work as a character, and if he can do that for the FF, that’ll make me quite happy.

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I put what works in Spidey’s MCU characterisation on the Russos more than Watts. He was great in Civil War, but Watts’ movies treat him as Iron Man Jr., which doesn’t work for me at all.

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Christian wrote:

Jon Watts was the first director who really made Spider-Man work as a character

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Jon wrote:

Also, damn, that Falcon & Bucky looks movie quality…

That was my thought too with that helicopter fight. No time or budget skimped on that.

While we knew about a chunk of them before there are now officially 24 Marvel products in the works.

Christian Bale playing Gorr The God Butcher is a big one for me. Unexpected is Tim Roth coming back as the Abomination in She-Hulk. Black Panther (or maybe more specifically T’Challa) will not be recast, Ryan Coogler will tell wider stories of Wakanda.

 

I’d rather have Phil Dunphy return as the Leader than Tim Roth reprising The Abomination.

Does anyone really like the Raimi movies? I find his movies impossible to watch because he’s one of these directors who doesn’t care about characters or performance or emotion, or anything to do with real life, he’s just obsessed with cheap directorial tricks, and nodding and winking to the audience. I never once become involved in the story when I’m watching a Raimi movie – it’s the difference between a pantomime and a play.

So yeah, I’m really looking forward to Doctor Strange 2. :rolleyes:

Jason wrote:

I’d rather have Phil Dunphy return as the Leader than Tim Roth reprising The Abomination.

That would be cool. Proper, big-headed Leader, too.

Dave wrote:

saga wrote:

End Game was set in 2023, right?

I’d forgotten that. Is the movie timeline effectively going to go on pause for the next few years to let the real world catch up?

(Skipping right over 2020 looks like a masterstroke in hindsight.)

Pretty much. Spider-Man’s European Vacation was set after End Game but, other than the multiverse stuff coming up with Spider-Man and Doctor Strange, I’m pretty sure the other movies are either set before End Game or just shortly afterwards.

Steve Sensible wrote:

Does anyone really like the Raimi movies? I find his movies impossible to watch because he’s one of these directors who doesn’t care about characters or performance or emotion, or anything to do with real life, he’s just obsessed with cheap directorial tricks, and nodding and winking to the audience. I never once become involved in the story when I’m watching a Raimi movie – it’s the difference between a pantomime and a play.

So yeah, I’m really looking forward to Doctor Strange 2. :rolleyes:

Well I guess hell froze over… I think Raimi is super overrated and I’m bummed he’s taking over Doc Strange 2…

Steve Sensible wrote:

Does anyone really like the Raimi movies?

Yes, for me they’re still the best Spidey movies made so far.

And I think he’s a great choice to take on Strange. Those directorial tricks you’re talking about are exactly what the character needs. The first movie was ok, but needed more visually arresting moments. I know Raimi will be able to do that.

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I haven’t seen them in a while but I still regard Raimi’s first two Spidey movies as the best film adaptions of the character. A crying shame about the third one. Arguably Holland is better than Maguire at playing Peter Parker and Spider-Man but the overall tone and premise of the Raimi movies feels more like classic Spidey than the MCU version, which I appreciate.

There were no other live action Spider-Man movies made in the 21st century. None. Didn’t happen. Nope.

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Dave wrote:

And I think he’s a great choice to take on Strange. Those directorial tricks you’re talking about are exactly what the character needs. The first movie was ok, but needed more visually arresting moments. I know Raimi will be able to do that.

I didn’t care for the first Doctor Strange movie, but that was mainly down to the writing, which was awful. I think he’s been used brilliantly in the MCU since then though, with his cameo in Raganarok being particularly great.

Visually though, I think they did a great job on the first movie, from The Ancient One punching Strange’s astral form out of his body, to the Escher-crossed-with-Tenet set-piece.

Dormammu looked a bit crap though.

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Steve Sensible wrote:

Visually though, I think they did a great job on the first movie, from The Ancient One punching Strange’s astral form out of his body, to the Escher-crossed-with-Tenet set-piece.

That’s the kind of thing we need more of.

The Thanos fight in Infinity War was good too (albeit brief).

Yeah, the visual spectacles were the best bit of Dr Strange, like the fight while time ran backwards near the end. I’m not wild about Raimi, but sure, let’s see what he does.

I’m intrigued by Secret Invasion. I liked Mendehlson’s Skrull guy, it’d be a shame to have him take a heel turn for a straight adaptation of SI. Hopefully they’ve got a twist to it (and better plotting than the comic’s “and now we just fight in the Savage Land” bit).

Armour Wars starring Rhodey sounds like a really good idea. He’s in an awkward place with Tony not around, so having him directly confront Stark’s legacy and police his tech is a solid path to take him down (and potentially wrap up his own story). The technological advances of the Iron Man suits were getting very sci-fi, so putting that genie back in the bottle seems smart to keep the films closer to the real world.

And another Ant-Man and the Wasp film! Yay!

Martin Smith wrote:

And another Ant-Man and the Wasp film! Yay!

I genuinely can’t tell if that’s sarcastic…

Steve Sensible wrote:

I mean, at least the MCU has a successful formula.

That’s just it, isn’t it? For all our whining and complaining that they got this wrong and that wrong, let’s remember what the superhero cinematic landscape was like prior to 2008. Back when the Burton Batman was followed by the Schumacher Batman; when X2 was followed by X3; when superhero shows on television consisted of Linda Carter spinning around into a dominatrix costume to foil a Soviet spy and Bill Bixby turning into Lou Ferrigno in order to beat up a bank robber.

I’m not saying the MCU hasn’t made some mistakes along the way, but their overall track record on the big screen has been unprecedented in this genre, and the trailers for upcoming films and television programming shows an effort to maintain and maybe surpass what’s come before.

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njerry wrote:

I’m not saying the MCU hasn’t made some mistakes along the way, but their overall track record on the big screen has been unprecedented in this genre

Quite. There are plenty of MCU movies I dislike, but the fact that they can still be turning out stuff that looks innovative, ambitious, and exciting is a testament to the work they’ve put in.

Meanwhile over at WB, we’re getting the 50th take on Batman, which this time is going to be so dark the whole thing will be lit by a single candle!

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Steve Sensible wrote:

Martin Smith wrote:

And another Ant-Man and the Wasp film! Yay!

I genuinely can’t tell if that’s sarcastic…

It is not. I really like both Ant-Man movies and the Wasp is awesome. She deserves a central role in any future cross-over type stuff (doesn’t look like we’re getting any more Avengers movies though).

Martin Smith wrote:

(doesn’t look like we’re getting any more Avengers movies though).

Not until Young Avengers at least. New Cassie and Kang are in Ant-Man 3, we’ve got Kate Bishop in Hawkeye, I think there was a casting call for two kids in WandaVision, and there’s even a brief appearance of Li’l Loki in that trailer.

Steve Sensible wrote:

Does anyone really like the Raimi movies?

A lot of people, Spider-Man 2 is still touted by many as the best superhero movie.

I’m not really one of them. I thought they were capable enough but I think they got Spider-Man wrong in not showing the freedom Peter gets in the suit away from his troubles. It’s always escaped me why they are rated so highly but you know…. diff’rent strokes.

In answer to Jon’s question I think that’s why fans accept the MCU version so readily even if it veers off from the comics with the Iron Man Jr stuff because they get both Peter and Spider-Man tonally spot on.

Steve Sensible wrote:

Meanwhile over at WB, we’re getting the 50th take on Batman, which this time is going to be so dark the whole thing will be lit by a single candle!

Aside from Black Panther II and Thor: Love and Thunder, none of that stuff interests me. And those two I’ll probably wait to see when they’re streaming. I think the MCU formula is really stale and they don’t give their directors much freedom outside of the bland house style, I doubt Raimi will get the leeway he needs to make something on the level of Spider-Man 2. I’ve soured on all the MCU movies, even Endgame which I loved the first time, but RobertB and Jim were right, it all falls apart–and feels very empty–on second viewing. Happy to leave these movies behind me. They’ve lowered the bar to the floor for blockbusters which should be full of spectacle and imagination. I feel pretty bummed about the type of movies my daughter will grow up with.

You okay, Will..?

I’m doing great, I’m watching actual movies again.

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Will_C wrote:

I’m doing great, I’m watching actual movies again.

Snyder Cuts, eh?

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Steve Sensible wrote:

Not until Young Avengers at least. New Cassie and Kang are in Ant-Man 3, we’ve got Kate Bishop in Hawkeye, I think there was a casting call for two kids in WandaVision, and there’s even a brief appearance of Li’l Loki in that trailer.

America Chavez is in Doctor Strange 2 too.

I’d be very surprised if they use the Iron Lad stuff though.

Doing Young  Avengers will be a bit weird because given, you know, reality, they’ll probably end up following them as they become not-young Avengers, which is something that rarely ever gets properly followed up on in comics with teen characters. They just tend to hit post-adolescence and then get swept aside in favour of the new teen characters and the existing adult heroes.

Will_C wrote:

I’ve soured on all the MCU movies, even Endgame which I loved the first time, but RobertB and Jim were right, it all falls apart–and feels very empty–on second viewing.

I saw it once in the theater and have not wanted to see it again. I didn’t think it was horrible but it really could have been so much better.

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saga wrote:

Snyder Cuts, eh?

Make fun all you want but at least Snyder takes swings… yes that means that he might miss here and there, but he goes for it. The problem with any formula, even a winning one, is that things get formulaic, which is what happened to the MCU, and if we’re being honest a lot of those movies are the same thing but with a different paint coat. Doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy them, hell I really did enjoy them (mostly) as they came out, but to ignore the blatant problems is just sticking your head in the sand.

But hey, we’ll see, maybe they’ll shake things up in phase 4… I kinda doubt it, considering they seem to be doubling down on everything, but who knows

Anyways, as for the Young Avengers thing, yeah that’s obviously what they’re going for, although I don’t think they’ll be called that, it’ll be most likely a New Avengers type of deal to avoid other issues. If someone is wondering “why Ant-man 3”? Well, probably to set up Cassie Lang and to give Rudd, Lilly & co. a farewell movie (plus they’re probably under contract for a 3rd one =P)

To each their own but I would suggest Snyder’s films are just as formulaic in their Snyder-ness and that Disney is burying its head in a giant vat of money rather than sand.

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Steve Sensible wrote:

Meanwhile over at WB, we’re getting the 50th take on Batman, which this time is going to be so dark the whole thing will be lit by a single candle!

Personally I’m hoping the candle is actually lit, but I have no confidence that it will….

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Damn, the amount of trailers that dropped in the last 24 hours is insane.  Like the look of all of the new series, Wanda Vision being the most improved. Previous trailers did not click in the way this one did.

Sif Returns To The MCU: Jaimie Alexander To Reprise Role In ‘Thor: Love And Thunder’

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Peyton Reed is back to direct the third Ant-Man film, Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. Paul Rudd, Evangeline Lilly, Michael Douglas, and Michelle Pfeiffer all return. Kathryn Newton joins the cast as Cassie Lang and Jonathan Majors as Kang the Conqueror. pic.twitter.com/opXw1cmpFj

— Marvel Studios (@MarvelStudios) December 11, 2020

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I gotta say, I’m glad they’re introducing Kang and everything, but I was really wishing they’d use Psychoman as a villain for one of the Ant-man movies… Oh well… Also, it sounds like AM3 will be rather important this time around, since I’m guessing Kang won’t be a “one and done” kind of villain.

‘Helstrom’ Canceled at Hulu After One Season, Ending Jeph Loeb Era of Live-Action Marvel Television

Marvel series “Helstrom” has been canceled at Hulu after one season, Variety has learned.

The move to cancel the series was not a surprising one, as “Helstrom” was the last live-action show produced by the now defunct Marvel Television unit under Jeph Loeb. The writing may have also been on the wall due to the fact that marketing materials for “Helstrom” — including its trailer and key art — did not include the word “Marvel” despite being based on Marvel comic book characters.

The show’s cancellation serves as a muted end to Loeb’s live-action efforts at Marvel, which at one time included six shows on Netflix as well as “Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D” on ABC, “Legion” on FX, “Cloak & Dagger” on Freeform, “The Gifted” on Fox, and “Runaways” on Hulu. All of those have either been canceled or wrapped up their runs in the past two years.

Loeb is not completely out of the Marvel picture as of yet, however. Two Marvel animated series — “M.O.D.O.K” and “Hit-Monkey” — on which Loeb is an executive producer are both still in the works at Hulu, though they were originally supposed to be part of a four-series Marvel crossover event that has since been scrapped.

“Helstrom” was originally ordered to series in May 2019 alongside a live-action “Ghost Rider” series starring Gabriel Luna, though that show was scrapped in September that same year.

“Helstrom” starred Tom Austen and Sydney Lemmon as Daimon and Ana Helstrom. As the son and daughter of a mysterious and powerful serial killer, the series centers on the pair and their complicated dynamic as they track down the worst of humanity — each with their own attitude and skills. The series also starred Elizabeth Marvel, Robert Wisdom, Ariana Guerra, June Carryl, and Alain Uy.

Paul Zbyszewski developed the show for television and served as showrunner. He also served as executive producer alongside Loeb, Daina Reid, Joe Quesada, and Karim Zreik. The show was a co-production between ABC Signature and Marvel Television.

Fans of live-action Marvel fare need not fret for long. Marvel Studios under Kevin Feige has a range of live-action shows in the works for streamer Disney Plus featuring characters from the MCU while also introducing new ones. First up is “WandaVision” on Jan. 15, with with “The Falcon and Winter Soldier” on deck for March 19. “Loki” will then follow in May. Others include “Hawkeye” starring Jeremy Renner and Hailee Steinfeld, “She-Hulk” starring Tatiana Maslany, “Ms. Marvel” starring newcomer Iman Vellani, and “Moon Knight” with Oscar Isacc in early talks to star. Variety exclusively reported in September that Samuel L. Jackson will return as Nick Fury in a series in development at Disney Plus. Feige confirmed at last week’s Disney Investor day that show will be based on the “Secret Invasion” comics, along with a host of other projects. Those include “Armor Wars” starring Don Cheadle and “Ironheart” starring Dominique Thorne.

Marvel’s Robert Downey Jr says he’s done “all I could” with Iron Man

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a34958955/marvel-robert-downey-jr-done-iron-man/

Actor <i>doesnt </i>want work  aka stop bothering me about it

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Todd wrote:

Marvel series “Helstrom” has been canceled at Hulu after one season

To absolutely no one’s surprise.