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  • #111492

    To me it’s a bit surprising they didn’t get the Avengers a bit of a break and shift focus full steam to mutants. They spent years (and billions) getting the X-Men IP back in house, and over 4 years since the deal closed (and 6 since it was first announced), they’ve really only got a Deadpool/Wolverine movie in the pipeline and a brief Professor X cameo to show for it.

    Doing New/Young Avengers is fine, but if their next big build had been X-related, I think that might have grabbed audiences a bit more than what feels like a watered down, kind of disjointed and over saturated Avengers saga redo.

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  • #111494

    At this point I think waiting a bit and relaunching X-Men with as few MCU links as possible might be the best plan. Same for FF.

    At this point the MCU is potentially a drag factor rather than the boost it used to be.

  • #111495

    Of the two FF is the easier, as doing mutants does sort of render the other Marvel heroes as gits.

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  • #111639

    Take with a grain of salt:

    https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/aubrey-plaza-mcu-character.html

  • #111640

    10 Rejected MCU Costume Designs That Were Better Than The Real Thing

  • #111668

    WandaVision and Loki S1 are getting a Blu-Ray / UHD release later this year.

  • #111897

    The Marvels Runtime Reportedly Revealed, and Would Break a 10 Year Record for the MCU

    The latest rumor to hit the internet courtesy of Cryptic HD Quality – the same supplier of early information on the runtimes of a number of Disney+ shows including Ahsoka – is that The Marvels will deliver an “all killer, no filler” story in a paltry 93 minutes. To put this in context, the shortest MCU movie is currently a tie between The Incredible Hulk and Thor: The Dark World, which both came in at 112 minutes. While The Marvel’s official time is yet to be released, and there could be some tweaks to be made to the final length, it does look like the movie is going to be the shortest of the franchise by some way.

  • #111923

    This is not a bad thing for me and maybe a very positive correction.

    A couple of years back I rewatched ‘An American Werewolf In London’ and it has many classic scenes, the Slaughtered Lamb, the repeat dreams, dead friend in the cinema, but it ends at 90 minutes. There’s no fat on it at all.

    I’ll defend Avengers:Endgame a lot as it delivered a lot of deserved character development, unlike the Snyderverse that made relationships up offscreen, but it is too long. It would have been better with half an hour lopped off.

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  • #111924

    I think if you can spot the time going by then a film needs to be shorter. Some films can pull off long run times – The Batman was one of the fastest three hours going, can every film do that? Probably not.

    Watching the John Wick quartet is an interesting experience, as the first film is just under 90 mins, with perfect pacing.  Each sequel then gets longer.

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  • #111925

    I think if you can spot the time going by then a film needs to be shorter.

    It’s a simple measure but I generally agree. Some long run times are justified but in some films I do glance at the watch and that’s a very bad sign. If you pass the ‘never look at the watch’ measure then you’ve timed your film well.

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  • #111966

    An interesting take on the Marvel television series and their shortcomings.

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  • #111976

    Echo is delayed to January, Agatha has been delayed to Halloween 2024 and has another new title, Darkhold Diaries:

    https://deadline.com/2023/09/marvel-disney-premiere-dates-actors-strike-1235534386/

    No update on Ironheart, which finished filming a year ago.

  • #111983

    Echo is delayed to January, Agatha has been delayed to Halloween 2024 and has another new title, Darkhold Diaries:

    https://deadline.com/2023/09/marvel-disney-premiere-dates-actors-strike-1235534386/

    No update on Ironheart, which finished filming a year ago.

    I have a feeling the strikes are what is forcing the rescheduling.

  • #112026

    Should Blade Be a Disney+ Show?

  • #112048

    No, it shouldn’t. I also don’t think it’ll be a movie either.

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  • #112073

    Despite some CGI that didn’t age well, the first Blade movie was a lot of fun.

    If you are going to do a Blade project, go all in and make it R-rated or TV-MA. Don’t hold back on the gore and violence. I don’t see Disney doing that.

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  • #112121

    Well I mean, everyone loved that Disney-fied garbage Moon Knight, no? What would be the difference with Blade? :unsure:

  • #112126

    That depends: Will BLADE have a giant talking hippo?

  • #112159

    At this point? I wouldn’t be surprised…

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  • #112245

    Daredevil Rumor Teases Matt Murdock’s Shocking Ties To A Big Marvel TV Villain

    Read More: https://www.looper.com/1389829/daredevil-rumor-matt-murdock-kingpin-marvel-revival-ties/

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  • #112426

    Superhero Loki Loki season 2 will arrive on Disney Plus a little earlier than anticipated

    The wait for Loki season 2 just got a tiny bit shorter – the latest installment of the Marvel show is now coming a day earlier.

    Originally slated to hit Disney Plus on October 6, everyone’s favorite sentient clock Miss Minutes revealed via Twitter that the season premiere is now arriving on October 5 at 6pm PT/9pm ET. That’s 2am in the UK, so you’ve got a very late night ahead of you if you want to watch the episode as soon as it hits the streamer…

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  • #112832

    A good analysis and based on the results of the last few years, it may be time to move past Feige.

  • #113031

    ‘Daredevil’ Hits Reset Button as Marvel Overhauls Its TV Business

    It didn’t take long to see the problem after Marvel Studios’ Daredevil: Born Again paused production mid-June during the writers strike. Fewer than half of the series’ 18 episodes had been shot, but it was enough for Marvel executives, including chief Kevin Feige, to review the footage and come away with a clear-eyed assessment: The show wasn’t working.

    So, in late September, Marvel quietly let go head writers Chris Ord and Matt Corman and also released the directors for the remainder of the season as part of a significant creative reboot of the series, The Hollywood Reporter has learned. The studio is now on the hunt for new writers and directors for the project, which stars Charlie Cox as Matt Murdock, a blind lawyer turned superhero.

    With Daredevil’s new direction, Marvel hopes to right the ship on a project with sky-high expectations. The show is Marvel’s first to feature a hero who already had a successful series on Netflix, running three seasons. But sources say that Corman and Ord crafted a legal procedural that did not resemble the Netflix version, known for its action and violence. Cox didn’t even show up in costume until the fourth episode. Marvel, after greenlighting the concept, found itself needing to rethink the original intention of the show.

    Marvel plans to keep some scenes and episodes, though other serialized elements will be injected, with Corman and Ord becoming executive producers on the two-season series.

  • #113032

    I mean, it’s good they’ve seen it isn’t working and are attempting to fix it. But the fact it’s got this far into production is a little suss. I expect we’ll see more of this though. I’ll be shocked if Blade ever actually happens.

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  • #113033

    But sources say that Corman and Ord crafted a legal procedural that did not resemble the Netflix version, known for its action and violence. Cox didn’t even show up in costume until the fourth episode.

    That does seem a bit early to have him in costume, yeah.

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  • #113034

    I think it’s a good thing that they’re obviously waking up to the fact that they’re producing a lot of mediocre TV that isn’t landing with audiences.

    Whether they can reverse that trend remains to be seen I guess.

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  • #113036

    Apparently, the solution is:

    1. Realise TV and film are different
    2. Hire actual showrunners and writers

    Damn, who knew?

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  • #113038

    Apparently, the solution is:

    1. Realise TV and film are different
    2. Hire actual showrunners and writers

    Damn, who knew?

    Dude, calm down. You’re just talking crazy now.

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  • #113070

    But sources say that Corman and Ord crafted a legal procedural that did not resemble the Netflix version, known for its action and violence. Cox didn’t even show up in costume until the fourth episode.

    That does seem a bit early to have him in costume, yeah.

    I’ve got a great pitch: Hells Kitchen , a series that focuses on the seedy underworld of a big-city neighbourhood, as rival gang bosses fight over turf, fix boxing matches, and run trucks full of chemical waste through town without a permit.

    A side character in all this is 12-year-old Matt Murdoch, recently-blinded and trying not to be a burden to his deadbeat boxer dad, who meets a young immigrant teen, Electra, and an old homeless guy who claims to know a bit about fighting.

    But this isn’t their story. This is about young thug Bullseye and the gang war, all seen through the eyes of cub reporter Ben Urich.

    Guest cameos from pre-school kid Peter Parker, and the students lodging together in the upstairs apartment, Reed and Victor.

    Matt doesn’t put on the costume until the end of season 7, by which time we’ve all lost interest and just want a Young Stick prequel.

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  • #113076

    I’ve got a great pitch: Hells Kitchen

    Sadly, Gordon Ramsay already owns that title (at least here in the States).

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  • #113079

    The studio is now on the hunt for new writers and directors for the project, which stars Charlie Cox as Matt Murdock, a blind lawyer turned superhero.

    Jesus, just get Steven DeKnight and Drew Goddard, willya?

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  • #113284

    Just read this, giving a fairly thorough look at the development of the MCU, from the start through to the present. Nothing too surprising, but a lot of good insights from those involved.

    One thing mentioned that I’d never heard before was that Jamie McKelvie was never actually hired by Marvel to do the famous Captain Marvel redesign back in 2012 – Kelly Sue DeConnick asked him to do it on her own, and said that if Marvel didn’t pay him for it, she’d give him the money herself.

    Another thing that the book illustrates is that for all of Marvel’s talk of having everything planned out a lot of this stuff is just made up as they go – for instance, Kang wasn’t going to be the Phase 5/6 villain until they saw Majors’ performance in Loki.

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  • #113580

    Marvel’s Israeli Superhero Poses Huge Headache for Disney

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  • #113672

    https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-shows/echo-screening-choctaw-day-celebration

    Echo will be the first series under the Marvel Spotlight banner, and Head of Streaming Brad Winderbaum said of the decision to launch the new banner with Echo, “Marvel Spotlight gives us a platform to bring more grounded, character-driven stories to the screen, and in the case of Echo, focusing on street-level stakes over larger MCU continuity. Just like comics fans didn’t need to read Avengers or Fantastic Four to enjoy a Ghost Rider Spotlight comic, our audience doesn’t need to have seen other Marvel series to understand what’s happening in Maya’s story.”

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  • #113705

    I watched the final trailer for The Marvels.  It starts with images of Cap & Tony, mentions an alternate universe, Nick says “here they come”  then obscured images appear. hmmm

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  • #113753

    Another release schedule shake-up.

    https://variety.com/2023/film/news/deadpool-3-captain-america-4-lion-king-prequel-delayed-1235786760/

    Means Deadpool 3 is the only MCU movie currently slated for 2024.

    Not a bad thing if it gives them a chance to regroup, but given how far on they are with Thunderbolts and Cap 4 then it might be more a case of damage limitation at this point.

  • #113756

    World premiere in Wrexham, of course.

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  • #113768

    https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-shows/echo-screening-choctaw-day-celebration

    Echo will be the first series under the Marvel Spotlight banner, and Head of Streaming Brad Winderbaum said of the decision to launch the new banner with Echo, “Marvel Spotlight gives us a platform to bring more grounded, character-driven stories to the screen, and in the case of Echo, focusing on street-level stakes over larger MCU continuity. Just like comics fans didn’t need to read Avengers or Fantastic Four to enjoy a Ghost Rider Spotlight comic, our audience doesn’t need to have seen other Marvel series to understand what’s happening in Maya’s story.”

    Well, that trailer does manage to make it look interesting. I have my doubts that it will deliver, but that’s a pretty good trailer.

  • #113773

    I watched The Marvels this evening. I really enjoyed it. It’s a fine continuation of Ms. Marvel, with added cosmic hijinks. I’m going to go out on a limb and say that Kamala is the MVP of the MCU right now. She’s very charming and fun to watch. I recognise though that we have cultural heritage in common, so she may resonate with me more than others.

    They also do a good job of trying to rehabilitate Carol, although I do wish they hadn’t bothered. Not everyone has to be likeable all the time.

    The end credits scenes promise exciting things to come.

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  • #113774

    Yeah, I thought The Marvels was super-enjoyable. Some of it didn’t work, but all of the scenes with the three leads were great.

    It’s 90 minutes, and you can definitely tell some bits have been cut (the plotline with Fury in the second half seems to be missing large chunks).

    The post-credits scene mostly just confused me, as to why they would do that this way. And why that character?

    Also, like most of the recent post-credits scenes, I don’t know when they’ll follow-up on this stuff, both the final proper scene and the mid-credits. The Kate Bishop scene seemed to be setting up a TV follow-up to both of their shows, but with Marvel cutting back on TV, will that actually happen? I hope it does.

    The multiverse stuff in the third act feels like a major re-shoot, as nothing else in the movie comes close to touching on that.

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  • #113778

    I watched The Marvels this evening. I really enjoyed it. It’s a fine continuation of Ms. Marvel, with added cosmic hijinks. I’m going to go out on a limb and say that Kamala is the MVP of the MCU right now. She’s very charming and fun to watch. I recognise though that we have cultural heritage in common, so she may resonate with me more than others.

    They also do a good job of trying to rehabilitate Carol, although I do wish they hadn’t bothered. Not everyone has to be likeable all the time.

    The end credits scenes promise exciting things to come.

    Christel and I saw it today and thought it was a lot of fun. It was not a top entry but it was a very enjoyable.

    I completely agree with you about Kamala. Iman Vellani has incredible screen presence and charisma and practically stole every scene she was in. I love that they brought Kamala’s family along for the ride. I really like them and it’s great to show a positive family dynamic on screen.

    I appreciated that they kept it to 90 minutes. Overall, it did have a good flow and pacing but you can tell some things were cut. They really could have dropped the musical aspect of Aladna as it was a bit too silly.

    Overall, I enjoyed it and had fun but it’s not a movie I can see watching again unless they add back some cut scenes.

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  • #113782

    I’m going to go out on a limb and say that Kamala is the MVP of the MCU right now. She’s very charming and fun to watch. I recognise though that we have cultural heritage in common, so she may resonate with me more than others.

    I honestly think it’s more universal than that, pretty much everyone seems to like her and enjoy her performance, even when they haven’t enjoyed this movie or the wider recent MCU stuff.

    I only watched a couple of episodes of her TV series but she was a standout performer among all of the Disney+ shows.

    She’s a very charismatic and likeable person and I think her clear enthusiasm for what she’s doing comes across very clearly.

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  • #113785

    Take with a grain of salt:

    https://www.screengawk.com/disney-marvel-firing-woke-writers/

  • #113803

    ‘The Marvels’ Amiss With $110M Global Opening; Lowest Ever For Disney MCU Offshore & WW – International Box Office

    I’m honestly not surprised it’s tanking. While it was fun and enjoyable, it definitely didn’t scream “must-see”.

    I think Marvel has burned their audience with too many subpar projects in the last couple of years. I also beleive many people saw Endgame as a jumping off point, since it concluded a 10-year story arc. I think if what had come had been compelling and good, they would have stayed. They really should have slowed down and taken their time to truly plan out post-Endgame, they probably would be in a better shape.

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  • #113804

    Yeah I think the slide for Marvel has been apparent for a couple of years now.

    I know that here there was a mostly positive response to a lot of the various Disney+ series, but personally I think they’ve been mostly average-to-poor and have done a lot to dilute the Marvel brand.

    Combined with training people to wait for Disney+ to watch the movies (just a couple of months after hitting the cinema in some cases) and some films of unusually poor quality, I’m not surprised people aren’t turning out in numbers for the theatrical releases.

    There is a risk at this point that the Marvel Studios brand has gone from being a badge of quality that lifts movies up, to being a bit of an albatross that drags movies down (reviews for The Marvels have mostly been pretty middling rather than absolutely terrible, so it feels like it’s maybe paying the price for stuff like Quantumania rather than suffering because it’s really poor in its own right.)

    Either way, I think it’s clearly good that Marvel is slowing down and regrouping at this point rather than trying to fix the plane while flying it.

    And at the very least, this all gives Deadpool 3 some excellent material. :rose:

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  • #113805

    I think the D+ series have, overall, average at best.

    I think the shows would have benefited from having some seasoned showrunners. People who have had experience running television shows. The way series were broken out and the pacing didn’t always flow too well.

    I think the rush to create content for D+ hurt a lot of the shows, not just the Marvel ones.

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  • #113811

    With the strikes, we’re not even going to get another “real” Marvel movie for ages.

    Deadpool 3 is the only movie for 2024, and that doesn’t count to me. Captain America: Brave New World isn’t out until 2025, and that’s looking like even more of a direct sequel to a TV show than The Marvels, and not a good TV show.

    And that’s the end of Phase Five! These “phase” demarcations have always been fairly meaningless, I don’t know why they keep them up.

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  • #113814

    The whole thing is just a mess now.

    They set up Pugh Black Widow in 2021 and she won’t be around until, what, Thunderbolts in 2025? What about Steinfeld Hawkeye?

    Shang-Chi was well received, also back in 2021, and there’s no word on when there will be a sequel. No follow up on what the Ten Rings are acting as a beacon for or what the organisation is up to either.

    Are we ever going to get back to the point about Sharon Carter being a double agent selling government secrets?

    The Eternals. Fuck off.

    Where’s Harry Styles?

    The Venom symbiote is on the loose in the MCU but no idea on if/when that will be followed up on, or the Holland Spider-Man movies in general.

    Doctor Strange went to the dark dimension to prevent and incursion… and?

    What’s up with the grumpy guy from Ted Lasso as Hercules?

    What’s going on with Thor and his daughter?

    What’s going on with T’Challa Junior?

    Hulk has a son now, any chance of elaborating on that at any point?

    There’s a whole underwater kingdom ruled by Namor, are we ever going to get back to that?

    They seem to have spent a lot of time in phases four and five just setting things up without any particular intention of going back to them. Seems even less likely that they will now that they’re cutting back on the level of output. That’s all well and good but once the realisation dawns that half of this stuff is pointless then the whole thing starts to feel that way.

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  • #113815

    The Phases numbering worked when they were riffing a trilogy structure, which ended with Endgame.

    After that? Should have been abandoned.

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  • #113817

    Deadpool 3 is the only movie for 2024, and that doesn’t count to me.

    Why is that? They’ve already confirmed that it’s going to involve Deadpool being in the MCU.

  • #113818

    Yeah, in the early days, when they teased something like Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, or Hawkeye, or Thanos, we knew that would pay off within a few months. With the post-Endgame stuff, they just seems to be throwing stuff out with no plans for when it will be followed up on.

    Steinfeld Hawkeye?

    Spoilers for a movie that came out this weekend: The final scene of The Marvels is a parody of the Iron Man post-credits scene, with Kamala looking to recruit Kate for a team. My guess is this is at least intended to be setting up a TV series that would be a sequel to both their shows. No idea if it’ll happen.

    Hulk has a son now, any chance of elaborating on that at any point?

    I hope not. Hated those scenes.

  • #113819

    Deadpool 3 is the only movie for 2024, and that doesn’t count to me.

    Why is that? They’ve already confirmed that it’s going to involve Deadpool being in the MCU.

    The last ones were set in the X-Universe, and I didn’t count those as an X-Men movies either. It just can’t take anything in the Deadpool movies seriously.

  • #113820

    The whole thing is just a mess now.

    (Official subtitle for Phase 17)

  • #113821

    I just can’t take anything in the Deadpool movies seriously.

    Oh, well I don’t think you’re meant to do that.

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  • #113822

    I won’t be seeing the Marvels until whenever it turns up on Disney+, so maybe things change somewhat in that, but the impression I get is that the MCU is lumbering slowly towards some sort of reboot, likely based around the X-Men, once it gets done with Kang and Secret Wars… yet that’s not going to be until 2027 at the earliest, almost 20 years since the first Iron Man movie.

    I hope if they’re taking some time to re-evaluate things then they can fast track to a conclusion for this multiversal gibberish and start with a relatively clean slate.

    CDN media

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  • #113823

    Or there’s always:

    What happened to Kang?

    Something eomething … Time.

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  • #113825

    I’ve been looking at my Facebook feed and observing that a lot of people, including comic book professionals, have seen The Marvels.

    The overwhelming consensus is that they enjoyed it and had fun seeing it. They admitted it wasn’t a perfect movie but still had a good time.

    I do wonder if the actor’s strike may have had some impact on the box office. Typically when actors go on talk shows, they usually have a clip with them that’s not seen in the trailers. Those interviews and clips could have helped to boost attendance.

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  • #113827

    Isn’t the problem that the movies are so expensive that a 110 million opening is a flop? Apparently it cost 220 million to make, and that seems ridiculous compared to something like The Creator costing 80 million. If it was made in Russia, I would assume that the producers and mid-level bosses were stealing 2/3 of the budget. What Disney has for excuse is anyone’s guess.

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  • #113828

    I didn’t get chance to see the Marvels til today (and actually got to see it for free thanks to Sky Cinema’s new free Vue ticket promo). I was surprised how well I was able to avoid the entire “discourse” and spoilers and even trailers just with a few keywords muted on Twitter (and that it didn’t even get a thread here tbh) and so went in refreshingly lacking in expectations or knowledge.

    I thought it was great. Fun, good plot, nice characters (but then I’ve never understood the big problem with Carol), a decent villain and it wasn’t overly long.

    I think the only thing that comes out of it poorly is Secret Invasion, which is so unconnected to anything here, despite the related themes and characters, it’s made an irrelevance. Which is perfectly fine, given that was shite.

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  • #113829

    The overwhelming consensus is that they enjoyed it and had fun seeing it. They admitted it wasn’t a perfect movie but still had a good time.

    Oh boy… I’m seeing those two words an awful lot… “fun” & “enjoyable”… looks almost like code for “actually shit but I need to say something nice about it so I don’t get called a racist/sexist pig” =P

    On a serious note, two reviewers I trust (Jahns & Murrel) gave it a pretty negative review… not like I was gonna go watch it in theaters anyways :unsure:

  • #113830

    Saw The Marvels today and it is indeed fun🤷‍♂️.

    It flys along at a fair clip, with some okay action scenes. The initial switching fight scene was very well done and they never really topped it.

    Honestly I could have done with it being a bit longer. It definitely feels like the story and particularly the standard dull Marvel villain, could have done with more fleshing out.

    Iman Vellani pretty much steals any scene she’s in with her energy and comedy timing. I hope the project teased at the end actually happens sometime soon.

    The character of Captain Marvel still just doesn’t work at all for me. From the way they’re writing her to Larsons awful performance, it’s just painful to watch.

    And it’s baffling to think they had this in the can while they were releasing Secret Invasion, which was telling us Fury had become this sad sack space hermit and the Skrulls were on earth because there was nowhere else they could go. Except suddenly Fury is quite jolly and there’s been a Skrull off world colony that seems rather happy this whole time🤨.

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  • #113832

    The overwhelming consensus is that they enjoyed it and had fun seeing it. They admitted it wasn’t a perfect movie but still had a good time.

    Oh boy… I’m seeing those two words an awful lot… “fun” & “enjoyable”… looks almost like code for “actually shit but I need to say something nice about it so I don’t get called a racist/sexist pig” =P

    On a serious note, two reviewers I trust (Jahns & Murrel) gave it a pretty negative review… not like I was gonna go watch it in theaters anyways :unsure:

    People saying a film is fun means they think it’s bad? I think you’re maybe projecting here.

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  • #113833

    People saying a film is fun means they think it’s bad? I think you’re maybe projecting here.

    Damn man, one “=P” and one “on a serious note” is really not enough for some, huh? oh well…  :unsure:

  • #113834

    I get what Jon is saying – sometimes lukewarm praise can feel like someone is reluctant to say that something is a bit weak and is trying to be kind about it, especially when a film is aspiring to a certain level of representation and inclusivity but without the quality to really make it worth watching.

    But in the case of The Marvels a lot of the feedback I’ve heard has been that it’s a better film than the marketing and negative buzz would have you believe.

    Which is good as the trailers were pretty awful for this one, and Marvel has put out a few stinkers lately.

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  • #113839

    Isn’t the problem that the movies are so expensive that a 110 million opening is a flop? Apparently it cost 220 million to make, and that seems ridiculous compared to something like The Creator costing 80 million. If it was made in Russia, I would assume that the producers and mid-level bosses were stealing 2/3 of the budget. What Disney has for excuse is anyone’s guess.

    I think budget is an issue for these movies. I understand they are not cheap to make and advertise. They are effects-heavy by nature and that costs a lot. But even then, some of the effects come out dicey due to time constraints VFX houses are put under.

    Sadly though, I think Marvel has simply burned through a lot goodwill since Endgame by churning out mediocre at best product. The Marvels was never going to be a billion dollar movie but it deserved to do a lot better than it has.

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  • #113841

    ‘The Marvels’ Faces Anti-‘Woke’ Backlash After Box Office Flop—Echoing ‘Captain Marvel’ Attacks

  • #113847

    Marvel lost it after Endgame. They needed to show us what’s next a lot sooner. Covid did not help but they couldve done a full court press on the TV side. Buzz has a shelf life and it was long dead by the time they brought anything out. Black Widow was not in the timeline and could have waited. Sending Spidey to Europe was a delaying tactic. They needed to continue the storyline.

    Imo, they should done a new Avengers movie.  They went too far into their artistic sensibilities with The Eternals and Love and Thunder. Tony was dead, Cap was retired, and Thor was washed up. They made Sam turn down the shield out of fear. Wanda went nuts. They put Rhodey in horrendously bad plotline that did not get resolved until 5 years later. Gotg 3 didn’t show until MCU was on its last legs. Their internal mistakes just hurried along their departure and their forecast of a new storyline just made people impatient.

    On the TV side, you couldve rebooted Netflix Marvel. You could have done a Young Avengers thing with Peter meeting Cassie meeting Runaways meeting Cloak and Dagger. Introduce Ms.Marvel earlier. Intro Speed and Wiccan, Iron Lad. Feige needed to set aside some resources during the making of Infinity War and Endgame and to get material out there.  or did they….. and the lead for their new phase went and died on them. RIP Chadwick Boseman.

    Between unforeseen circumstances( Covid, Chadwick) and bad decision making. I would say Karma really knocked them back after the success of the storyline from Iron Man to Endgame.

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  • #113848

    Hard to imagine things getting back on track anytime soon looking at the line-up of things to come…

    Echo – a forgettable side character from a largely forgotten Disney+ show (of which she was the worst part)

    Deadpool 3 – fully expect this one to be a huge hit but it basically just fell in their lap

    Agatha – spin-off from a Disney+ show from three years ago based around a villain (suspect this will be an enjoyable show but really hard to see it contributing anything significant to the bigger picture)

    Captain America – sequel to an underwhelming Disney+ show and undergoing urgent reshoots

    Daredevil – by their own admission they already fucked this one up

    Fantastic Four – it already failed as a movie franchise twice in the past twenty years and they’ve already had to replace the director and writer

    Thunderbolts – gives the impression of being a bunch of jobbers in a tame Suicide Squad knock-off

    Blade – announced in 2019 and just maybe will be out at the end of 2025

    Avengers: Kang Dynasty – built around a problematic, possibly criminal actor and a character that has failed to hold audience interest

    Ironheart, Armor Wars, Wonder Man, Vision Quest, Nova, Spider-Man 4, Shang-Chi 2, any follow-ups on the Hulks, the Eternals, Moon Knight, Wakanda… who the hell knows.

     

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  • #113849

    It’s really weird. Before Infinity War/ Endgame it looked like Marvel were fully set up on passing the torch over to Tom, Benedict, Chadwick et al. They were good to go, honestly, but for some reason decided that instead of going with what they already had in play, they’d spend years introducing another bunch of characters instead. I like some of them, don’t get me wrong, but they’re not marquee actors or characters who can carry a universe like Robert or Chris did previously.

    Tom and Benedict could have. No Way Home was the only film since Endgame that felt in the same league. Multiverse of Madness a little less so. But, they’ve fumbled that now, I fear.

    The Young Avengers concept could work, but may be too little too late. Whatever they do they really need to get over the Multiverse. Clearly it’s not resonating with people beyond the thrill of seeing Andrew Garfield’s Spider-man on screen again.

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  • #113850

    I think the multiverse stuff is definitely overused at this point.

    No Way Home proved that it can be a fun concept when used well, but with so many MCU movies being rooted in that concept these days, the law of diminishing returns is definitely kicking in.

    I suspect the main reason for making this latest tranche of movies about the multiverse is really so that they can try and top Endgame with a Secret Wars movie that pulls in as many historical pre-MCU Marvel cameos as possible. I wouldn’t be surprised to see moments with the likes of the Fox X-Men and FF, Snipes’ Blade, Affleck’s DD, Bana (and maybe even Ferrigno) Hulks, Nic Cage Ghost Rider, the Netflix Defenders, and more… as well as obviously the return of the original Avengers.

    But that doesn’t mean that every movie in the interim needs to be about the multiverse. It risks losing the novelty of the idea way in advance of the next Avengers movies – and/or people might well get so tired of it that they have to course-correct and ditch the idea altogether.

    (Of course, the whole thing will be worth it if they have a scene with Cap meeting the Tim Story version of the Human Torch.)

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  • #113851

    They do need to just hone in on what people actually want to see and prioritise those above all the C-list content.

    Deadpool and Ryan Reynolds remain over (probably more than ever after the Wrexham show), so try to ride that for at least one more movie.

    I suspect there’s strong interest in seeing what a rebooted X-Men entails, so let’s crack on with it. There are so many characters here that it could generate all sorts of spin-offs if they get the casting right.

    Spider-Man is always a hit so bring him back and then carry it on with live-action Miles Morales.

    Even without Boseman there’s interest in Wakanda so let’s get back there.

    The Guardians are a hit and certainly worth another shot, even without Gunn or Pratt.

    The F4 could go either way but they’re the one major Marvel name yet to be included so worth trying out.

    Shang-Chi did well enough to merit a sequel.

    Beyond that, just hold off and see where these hot properties lead.

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  • #113852

    Yeah that’s a pretty good list. I’d also suggest a Daredevil film could be more worthwhile than a TV series, and might be something they could make with a relatively modest budget.

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  • #113855

    Sure, it could work. I suspect it would be better served as a TV show, though. There’s an awful lot of character work to delve into if looking at the Miller/Bendis/Brubaker material and a lot more time to do so in a TV season than a movie. They can also lean into the Matt Murdock, attorney-at-law side of things if they want to get more episodic.

    Keeping the budgets down is definitely a good point, though. It eases the pressure a lot if they’re not blowing $200m on things like Quantumania or Secret Invasion, or nearly $300m on the Marvels.

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  • #113856

    Here’s what will turn public sentiment back towards Marvel.

  • #113859

    Nice of them to reduce superhero movie lengths from three hours to three minutes.

  • #113862

    Here’s what will turn public sentiment back towards Marvel.

    Sony are definitely not helping with this shite B-)

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  • #113863

    Yeah it looks poor.

    Ezekiel’s inclusion was a surprise too. I like the character in his original JMS/JRjr appearances but doing him without Spider-Man feels weird.

  • #113864

    “He was in the Amazon with my mom, when she was researching spiders, right before she died”..😂😂😂

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  • #113867

    Nice of them to reduce superhero movie lengths from three hours to three minutes.

    And that one is still too fucking long.

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  • #113869

    Animation looks much stronger than the first season and firing through it over 9 days rather than weekly feels like a good move.

  • #113873

    Pedro Pascal Eyed To Play Reed Richards In Marvel Studios’ ‘Fantastic Four’

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  • #113882

    oops. wrong thread

  • #113885

    Pedro Pascal Eyed To Play Reed Richards In Marvel Studios’ ‘Fantastic Four’

    That’s an odd way to spell Glenn Howerton.

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  • #113886

    Pedro Pascal Eyed To Play Reed Richards In Marvel Studios’ ‘Fantastic Four’

    Hopefully the FF movie will be about Reed trying to navigate across a dangerous landscape while protecting HERBIE.

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  • #113889

    Hopefully the FF movie will be about Reed trying to navigate across a dangerous landscape while protecting HERBIE.

    This is the way.

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  • #113890

    And then Tony Stark can show up out of nowhere in the end to save the day, and even though they hire someone who’s the spit of Robert Downey Jr to play him they do some awful CG over his head.

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  • #113891

    And Reed will wear this the whole time so somebody else can play him and Pascal can just record a voiceover.

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  • #113960

    So, I saw the marvels and….
    It’s loads of fun. Zippy, great chemistry with the cast, Sam Jackson is having a great time. Kamala’s family are so good.
    It’s it the best marvel film? Hell no, is it a million miles better than that last Ant-man film? Your god damn right 👍

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  • #113974

    This looks like fun. I quite enjoyed the first series.

  • #114012

    Pedro Pascal Eyed To Play Reed Richards In Marvel Studios’ ‘Fantastic Four’

    Eddie from Buffy season 4 episode 1? Good for him, finally getting a major role.

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  • #114103

    Random thought but what on earth is taking so long with the Blade movie? Really, how hard can it be to come up with a movie about a good vampire who beats the crap out of bad vampires? Is it trying to get the thing to tie into the MCU that is proving so difficult? Ali’s going to be pushing 52 by the time this thing turns up.

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  • #114104

    Random thought but what on earth is taking so long with the Blade movie? Really, how hard can it be to come up with a movie about a good vampire who beats the crap out of bad vampires? Is it trying to get the thing to tie into the MCU that is proving so difficult? Ali’s going to be pushing 52 by the time this thing turns up.

    https://variety.com/2023/film/features/marvel-jonathan-majors-problem-the-marvels-reshoots-kang-1235774940/

    As public criticism mounts, Feige is pulling the plug on scripts and projects that aren’t working. Case in point: the “Blade” reboot. With Mahershala Ali signed on for the eponymous role of a vampire, things looked promising for a 2023 release date. But the project has gone through at least five writers, two directors and one shutdown six weeks before production. One person familiar with the script permutations says the story at one point morphed into a narrative led by women and filled with life lessons. Blade was relegated to the fourth lead, a bizarre idea considering that the studio had two-time Oscar winner Ali on board.

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  • #114106

    Step 1 – make Blade look cool

    Step 2 – let Blade kick ass

    Step 3 – end credits

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  • #114142

    Well, here’s your problem…

    Disney CEO Thinks The Marvels Is Underperforming Because There Weren’t Enough Executives

    Sadly, this is not satire.

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  • #114143

    Seriously, screw Bob Iger.

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  • #114159

    This is the same company who is going to turn around in a few months and claim physical media does not sell, while acting as if they did not release the series as UHD-BR packages at RRP £45.

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  • #114462

    News:

    https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/jonathan-majors-verdict-domestic-violence-trial/story?id=105585064

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  • #114466

    I’m borrowing John Scalzi’s one-liner:

    Kang the Incarcerated

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