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Agents of Shield return in Avengers Secret Wars
According to the comics, Secret Wars is one of the most expansive stories that Marvel has ever concocted, as it features many timeline versions of the characters that we all know and love. Well, through our trusted and proven sources, we can report that the Agents of SHIELD are going to be part of the Avengers: Secret Wars movie. This is huge news, especially because it will allow the world to see the wonderful Clark Gregg return as Phil Coulson.
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‘Hit-Monkey’ Renewed For Second Season On Hulu
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Now, all the Agents of SHIELD are going to be coming back to appear in Avengers: Secret Wars.
I don’t believe a word of it. But it would be cool.
Yeah, the Marvel movies deserve to be canonised in the Agents of SHIELD universe
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‘Spider-Man Noir’ Live-Action Series in the Works from Lord Miller, Amazon – Hollywood Reporter
Oren Uziel, who co-wrote the Sandra Bullock-Channing Tatum hit ‘The Lost City,’ is penning the series.
Spider-Man Noir in ‘Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse’The Spider-Man TV universe is expanding its web-pire.
Amazon Studios and Sony Pictures Television are developing a Spider-Man Noir live-action series that will be written by Oren Uziel, a big-screen writer who worked on the Sandra Bullock-Channing Tatum action comedy The Lost City and 2021’s Mortal Kombat.
Chris Miller and Phil Lord, the producers of Sony’s Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse animated movies which first brought the Spider-Man Noir character onto screens, helped develop the series with Uziel and will executive produce the series via their Lord Miller banner. Amy Pascal, who has a hand in all of Sony’s Spider-Man adaptations, is also executive producing, as will Uziel.
Spider-Man Noir is a more recent Marvel creation, having been first introduced in a comic mini-series in 2009. The Noir universe is an alternate universe that re-imagines some of the Marvel characters in a hard-boiled, 1930s setting. The Spider-Man Noir character was more pulpy and more of a vigilante take on the character, who was still named Peter Parker.
Nicolas Cage voiced the character in 2018’s Into the Spider-Verse.
Amazon and Sony have a whole arachnid empire planned for Spider-Man and his amazing friends, whose rights reside with Sony. The companies are already developing a series based on Silk, with The Walking Dead showrunner Angela Kang running point on that series, titled Silk: Spider Society. Sony claims its Spider-Man universe features more than 900 characters.
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https://www.avclub.com/kevin-feige-plan-combat-superhero-fatigue-will-it-work-1850117694
Kevin Feige goes the way of the Western.
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First world problems – “superhero fatigue”, too many streamers.
Maybe it’s the lack of them in the US but I’ve never seen the sentiment of “soap fatigue” applied to Neighbours, Eastenders, Corrie. And those shows have ran day in, day out, five days a week for decades.
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I don’t think it’s “superhero fatigue”. I believe it’s more “mediocre superhero fatigue”.
I honestly can’t remember the last Marvel movie that really blew me away. I’ve seen all of them but for the last few years, I have had zero interest in seeing any of them a second time. Some have been better than others but none of them have been “must see again”. What were once features (like the humor and everything tying together), have now become bugs. The movies don’t feel like they’re standing on their own and telling a solid story. Sadly, they’re becoming like the comic books in that aspect. The movies (and TV series) are burdened with telling the “big” story at the expense of their own.
The movies seem to suffer from a “house style” in their look and feel. While they have had some very talented people making them, they all feel the same. Let the directors cut loose with their unique styles and give each movie its own individual flair.
I understand that the movies need to be “safe” but some better writing and direction could invigorate audiences.
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I think the problem with current Marvel is they have yet to find the new version of James Gunn and the Russo brothers. Both Coogler and Watiti failed to duplicate their initial success.
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It reminds me a bit of the conversation we used to have about DC where we picked apart every angle, but the answer always basically boiled down to “make good movies”.
When Marvel have done that, they’ve done well, even recently. No Way Home was just over a year ago and people loved it, it made nearly $2bn at a time when there was still a chilling effect from the pandemic.
More recent TV series and movies have been mediocre and haven’t captured the same excitement as previous films, so they’ve done relatively badly (albeit still bringing in hundreds of millions of dollars).
If they make better films again I’m sure they’ll be fine.
Quantity of output is maybe a factor though, as it feels like there was once a fairly solid element of quality control that is now stretched very thin.
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The movies seem to suffer from a “house style” in their look and feel. While they have had some very talented people making them, they all feel the same. Let the directors cut loose with their unique styles and give each movie its own individual flair.
Despite still being an MCU fan I feel it may be less a ‘house style’ visually, the garish colours of Ragnarok aren’t very similar to the subdued Winter Soldier. Neither are the tones really. It is more there is an overly familiar plot formula and overall an issue, with a few notable exceptions like Loki and Thanos, of quite boring antagonists.
In truth not many agreed with my take but I liked Wakanda Forever because it just visited different places. The challenges more internal than just another uncharismatic villain to overcome.
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Apparently Secret Invasion and Loki could be the only Marvel shows this year, even though Echo and Ironheart wrapped filming months ago: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/marvel-star-wars-tv-shows-movies-slowdown-1235326681/
I’m still hoping for a second season for Ms. Marvel.
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Instead of expecting Marvel to recreate the first Iron Man movie, or a clone of GOTG or Black Panther, I prefer when they pursue a different course. Winter Soldier is one of my favorite Marvel films because it was completely different from the MCU films that came before, leaning more into political intrigue and espionage than superheroes and supervillains. The most recent Thor film was more a tragic love story than a standard superhero film; if Waititi hadn’t fallen back on his usual directing crutches I suspect it could have been a better film than Ragnarok.
Fiege should shy away from making cookie cutter films and continue exploring other possibilities. That’s my two cents.
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No way home is a pretty bad movie too, it’s just they handled the nostalgia and the fan service VERY well on that one, which is of course a good thing in itself, but the movie is kind of a mess.
I was leaning this way when I first watched it but on rewatching it a couple of times it actually gets better and better for me – the theme of second chances is woven throughout the whole thing really well and it feels like that rare MCU film that actually has a meaningful idea to explore at the core of it. Plus I think the action is pretty great, the Dr Strange dynamic is good and his scenes are as good as anything in his own movies, and the multiple Spider-Men are used enough to make them feel more than just a gimmick cameo but not so much that they stop it from being Holland’s movie.
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The Marvels delayed. Again.
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Feb/May/November makes more sense as a timeline for releasing films than Feb/May/July, especially as the next one isn’t until May 2024.
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Feb/May/November makes more sense as a timeline for releasing films than Feb/May/July, especially as the next one isn’t until May 2024.
Yet they chose that schedule initially, so must have thought it made sense at some point.
I don’t know, if it was the first delay to this movie then it wouldn’t be such a warning sign, but getting to this stage – with multiple delays and no footage released from the film yet – makes me wonder whether there might be issues with the movie. Maybe the bad reviews for the new Ant-Man cemented the need to give the movie more time and retool it a bit before release.
Speculation but not a bad thing if true, again it comes back to that quality control aspect. Anecdotally most people that I now talk to about the MCU movies and TV shows feel that there’s been a recent decline in the standard, and the studio probably sees the need to stop that rot.
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The bigger Q on Kang – which is probably what Ant-Man 3 is for – if you’re only watching the films, who the hell is Kang?
This is what Ant-Man 3 is for.
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Director Peyton Reed on His Marvel Future and Creating Kang the Conqueror with Jonathan Majors
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I thought Woll was pretty good and Henson was mostly alright but I don’t know that I would’ve used either of them again, either.
Having Bernthal back is a great call, but I’m fine with the others not returning.2 users thanked author for this post.
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They need to really mess with people and bring Favreau back as Foggy. Make him Happy Hogan’s cousin.
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I thought that was Hulk Hogan?
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I thought that was Hulk Hogan?
There are already too many Hulks in the MCU.
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New image from the set of #DaredevilBornAgain #MarvelStudios #DisneyPlus pic.twitter.com/HeY3hsxwgR
— Marvel Updates (@marvel_updat3s) March 19, 2023
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Well, yes. That’s definitely an image of Charlie Cox as Matt Murdock.
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Is it a movie this time or TV again?
TV – it’s the new 18-episode “Born Again” Disney+ series.
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Marvel Studios Veteran Victoria Alonso Exits
Victoria Alonso, the longtime and high-profile Marvel Studios executive whose time with the company dates back to the first Iron Man, has left the studio, multiple sources tell The Hollywood Reporter.
The reasons for the exit are unclear, but she parted ways with Marvel on Friday, sources say.
Alonso had been with the company since earliest days of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, establishing an enviable 17-year run and watching the studio grow from operating above a Mercedes-Benz dealership in Beverly Hills to being acquired by Disney. During her tenure, the MCU became the highest-grossing franchise in film history.
Alonso joined the studio in 2006 as chief of visual effects and postproduction and helped launch the Marvel Cinematic Universe as a co-producer on 2008’s Iron Man. She also served as co-producer on Iron Man 2 (2010), Thor (2011) and Captain America: The First Avenger (2011). Alonso was upped to executive producer on The Avengers (2012), the landmark film that grossed $1.5 billion and took Marvel to new heights, proving that the concept of a shared cinematic universe could really work.
Alonso has served as executive producer on Marvel’s subsequent releases and also worked on its Disney+ TV series. In 2021, she was promoted to president, physical and postproduction, visual effects and animation production.
Last year, she also produced the Oscar-nominated international feature Argentina, 1985.
Her departure comes in the shadow of Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania‘s poor showing at the box office and among critics and fans.
In addition to her behind-the-scenes work, Alonso has been an important ambassador for the studio’s representation efforts and was outspoken during Disney’s dispute with Florida over its “Don’t Say Gay” bill. “As long as I am at Marvel Studios, I will fight for representation,” Alonso, who is gay, said at the time.
She was named one of People en Español magazine’s Most Influential Hispanic Women in 2019 and 2020 and has been featured on THR’s Women in Entertainment Power 100 list multiple times.
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This seems very minor in comparison:
https://thedirect.com/article/x-men-disney-villain-reboot
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Whoaaaa… that looks not completely shit…
Unlike everything they’ve released since… Loki?
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To have Jon say something was not completely shit is very high praise. I have been looking forward to this since the end scene with SLJ on the space ship.
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And I don’t think any of those series since Loki was completely shit, but some of them were a bit shit. The one that comes closest to being complete shit was actually released before Loki; I thought Hawkguy and Moon Knight were alright with some annoying weaknesses and Ms. Marvel really good (albeit not everybody’s cup of tea, obivously).
Fair enough I guess, but my tolerance for subpar mediocre content has taken a nose dive in the last 2 years, so I’m afraid I can’t agree all that much. Hawkeye was decent-ish, or some parts of it were I guess, because other parts were pretty shit, but that’s a far cry from being anywhere near “good”. Moon Knight was garbage… a waste of Isaac’s time and talent. Didn’t see Ms. Marvel, but considering how it flopped, I can’t imagine it was all that good either.
But anyhow, this at least looks like it might be on Falcon/WS’s level, which is not the best but oh so much better than a she hulk… =/
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The marvel shows just aren’t my bag, I have not finished any of them since Wandavision – but I think that Secret Invasion looks terrific. I’ve got high hopes for this one.
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This is from last week, but I don’t think it’s been mentioned anywhere on the Carrier yet… Jonathan Majors was arrested for domestic assault. It’s not very clear what the hell was going on there, but it looks like there might be something to it.
Damn. I really liked him as Kang. If this turns out to be real, Marvel has a big problem on their hands.
Obviously, I also hope it turns out to be nothing because people are being hurt in all of this.
And yet Ezra Miller got to stay employed.
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I hope the next trailer is better because that one did nothing for me.
It looks like a naff sitcom pilot.
As much as it has some likeable actors in it with Jackson and Vellani, there’s not a lot there to get excited about. And it looks weirdly cheap and flat, like a TV special rather than a movie that’s going to pull people into cinemas. A line that’s blurred further by continuing to pull Disney+ TV elements into the movies.
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Yeah, I thought it looked fun as well.
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The Batman did well enough because it wasn’t aping the same MCU formula, which like you said, is really the problem here.
People talk a lot about the Marvel formula, but I don’t even think that’s the actual problem here. People like entertaining action movies with a sense of humour – it’s as valid an approach to making a superhero movie as any other. It’s simply a matter of quality. No matter in what style you do it, it has to be good. Or ideally, great. Maybe that’s the difference: In phase 1, the first movies got away with just being pretty good because it was all so new. I think looking back, you can say that about the first Iron Man, Thor and Cap movies. They were all perfectly fine movies, but their success was mostly because they were doing a new thing. The first great Marvel movie was Avengers, really.
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I’m not sure, I think the first Iron Man is a pretty great movie on a par with Avengers.
But I agree with the general point about the difference between something looking OK and something looking great. We’re now at the point where there have been a lot of merely okay Marvel movies and TV shows, but nothing really knockout since (I guess) No Way Home.
When trailers like this latest Marvels effort get a negative reaction from some quarters, there’s often a lot of pushback against that, saying that the concerns are overstated and the trailers look fine. But “fine” isn’t really enough to get people into cinemas – it’s probably just about enough to get people to take a look when something is ‘free’ on Disney+, but that means Disney are losing a lot of money in cinema takings and the MCU will start to slide.
It’s easy to forget now but there was a time when MCU trailers had people genuinely pumped for what looked like amazing movies, whether it’s Avengers or Winter Soldier or Guardians or Infinity Way. Those all had a lot of buzz ahead of time.
But now I think people are struggling to get excited about new MCU stuff in the same way, and a series of weak films and TV shows has made Marvel synonymous with mediocrity, when it used to be a guarantee of greatness.
I also think it’s no coincidence that this slide has coincided with the movies and TV shows moving a little bit away from using existing comics as the template, and telling more original stories. I’m not sure the movie division is much good at coming up with new stories that fit these characters as well as their classic comics storylines.
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It looks like a naff sitcom pilot.
As much as it has some likeable actors in it with Jackson and Vellani, there’s not a lot there to get excited about. And it looks weirdly cheap and flat, like a TV special rather than a movie that’s going to pull people into cinemas. A line that’s blurred further by continuing to pull Disney+ TV elements into the movies.
It does look a bit flat, that’s true. But apart from that, I don’t know, I thought it looked like good fun. The trailer has to do a lot of work in introducing the characters and what the movie is about, so it’s a bit pedestrian – I am sure there’ll be further trailers that focus more on the “awesome action!” aspects. But what this one does show is a fun family movie in the superhero genre, with people being tangled up and switching places and whatnot. I think that’s what this movie is aimed at, kids and their parents – more like the Mario movie (or any traditional Disney movie) than Endgame or something along those lines. And that’s quite alright, I’m all for diversification of superheroes into different genre.
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And that’s quite alright, I’m all for diversification of superheroes into different genre.
I agree, and it’s what the MCU has done pretty well from the beginning, offering a decent range of different types of story within the superhero genre.
However I do think the quality has taken a dive lately, and it’s unfortunate that it’s coincided with a period where they’re actively trying to offer more diversity in terms of leads – as the two things aren’t strongly linked, but the timing risks making it look like quality complaints are part of some kind of diversity backlash.
And there are counter-examples that make it clear that it’s not just a case of people pushing back against diversity – Shang Chi was very well received in general, whereas Thor Love And Thunder got quite a limp reception.
I guess we’ll see how The Marvels turns out, but right now the sense I get is that this isn’t the movie that’s going to stop the rot for the MCU.
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I also think it’s no coincidence that this slide has coincided with the movies and TV shows moving a little bit away from using existing comics as the template, and telling more original stories.
Despite them having to change the origin stuff to remove the Inhumans connection I’d say Ms Marvel is maybe the most adherent to the source material of any of the MCU stuff. This body swap idea for The Marvels clearly comes from Peter David’s Genis-Vell run. The MCU under Feige has always taken a lot of comics inspiration and then refigured it a bit.
The original Avengers was great but it didn’t really connect more to an existing comics story than any other (I will exempt the Ant-Man lore that makes a lot of changes).
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But laziness (if that is what it is, which I don’t think, but let’s go with that for a minute) isn’t a formula. It’s just doing something badly instead of doing it well. I don’t think that’s what people mean when they’re talking about the “Marvel formula”. What they mean is these movies being fun action movies with quirky dialogue instead of something more serious, like Snyder’s DC movies, or the Batman. And that’s fair enough if the latter kind of thing is what you want. But honestly, Marvel didn’t invent fun and funny action movies, nor are they the only ones filming them. And that approach isn’t the problem, the problem is whether they’re doing it well or not.
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that approach isn’t the problem, the problem is whether they’re doing it well or not.
This is it in a nutshell isn’t it.
The current state of the MCU reminds me of where the DC movies were a few years ago, circa BvS. Lots of people slating them, lots of hardcore fans defending them, but really what matters is that vast general audience that isn’t at the extremes but just wants a fun night at the movies.
And if the appeal of the MCU is starting to wane for them (as suggested by the recent box office and critical responses) then sooner or later that will need to be addressed. And the way to address that is to make good movies that people want to see!
(Which worked for the DC movies in some instances – stuff like Wonder Woman, Aquaman and The Batman has done very well for them.)
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Yeah I almost feel like they should relaunch X-Men as a franchise completely separate to the MCU. The world of mutants is already fairly ‘busy’ in its own right, and I also think it probably works better when there aren’t a ton of other super-powered (non-mutant) people in the universe to muddy the waters.
Honestly, taking inspiration from Morrison’s run and having the mutants be a counter-cultural and social force beyond just the traditional ‘hated and feared’ approach would be a great way to develop things.
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But laziness (if that is what it is, which I don’t think, but let’s go with that for a minute) isn’t a formula. It’s just doing something badly instead of doing it well. I don’t think that’s what people mean when they’re talking about the “Marvel formula”. What they mean is these movies being fun action movies with quirky dialogue instead of something more serious, like Snyder’s DC movies, or the Batman. And that’s fair enough if the latter kind of thing is what you want. But honestly, Marvel didn’t invent fun and funny action movies, nor are they the only ones filming them. And that approach isn’t the problem, the problem is whether they’re doing it well or not.
Right, but I’m not saying “laziness” is their formula nor that they invented funny action movies, I’m saying that their formula is lazy “funny” action movies… oh and with shitty CGI apparently…
And DC has been really trying to copy that shit since josstice league (except for the more serious movies, i.e. Joker & THE Batman), so sure, they’re def. not the only ones doing it.
My point is that laziness IS part of their formula in the sense that they’re not even bothering anymore to try anything new, even in terms of humor… all their characters are the same, snarky and quippy, like Tony Stark… and that’s just not the only type of comedy there is. They know what “works” and they’ve just rehashed that over and over again, but of course, people are gonna get fed up with the same shit all the time, and that’s what’s happening.
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In 2019, Captain Marvel pulled in $1.13 billion, and it was mediocre at best.
I will be very surprised if The Marvels cracks $500 million.
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Daaamn Antman 3 is already out in digital… it did that badly huh??
Well, it’s certainly not great, that’s for sure. Another waste of a (mostly) fantastic cast. It just felt so hollow… as if the actors weren’t even in front of each other most times… eh, whatever another dud
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It looks like this is a fan-made trailer rather than an official one.
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Damson is also a somewhat popular choice for a T’Challa recast.
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Well, that’s probably it for Kang then. Bloody hell.
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Jonathan Majors: There’s Video Proof That Disproves Assault Allegation
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Jonathan Majors: There’s Video Proof That Disproves Assault Allegation
Hopefully that’ll work out better than the texts they said disproved the allegations, bud actually just made him look guilty.
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From that article:
Recasting isn’t as controversial an option as it sounds, either. Marvel has recast actors on many occasions, including major characters like War Machine (Don Cheadle took over from Terrence Howard) and Hulk (Mark Ruffalo replaced Edward Norton). It’s happening again in the upcoming Captain America: New World Order, where Harrison Ford is taking over the General Ross role from the late William Hurt. This isn’t unheard of and it can be done with zero explanation. And if there needs to be an explanation, Loki — the very show that introduced Majors into the MCU — provided one: we know that variants of people across timelines, realities, and dimensions can look drastically different from each other. Sometimes Loki is a woman, an alligator, or Richard E. Grant. Sometimes Spider-Man looks like Tobey Maguire, Andrew Garfield, and Tom Holland, and they spend a whole movie not remarking upon how none of them look at all alike. It’s fine.
Yeah, that’s probably the road I would take if I was Marvel, if they do have to cut ties with Majors.
The article is slamming Marvel for not having issued a statement. I don’t know about that. I think it’s maybe the best attitude to not make a any statements, let alone decisions, as long as we don’t know what is actually going on.
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