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I doubt the movie will uncritically praise all of Israel’s policies.
They won’t. A version of this argument was made 14 years ago when they announced a Captain America film, nobody overseas would want to watch such jingoistic material.
They didn’t do it that way. They are as clued up as anyone around what alienates certain audiences. They will alter possible problematic areas. In the comics (albeit via a bad reading of a script by the artist) Hank Pym was a wife beater. Guess what? We do a Hank Pym that isn’t a wife beater because that’s shitty.
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Where Israel and US entertainment portrayals of it are concerned, it can be surprising. The long running cop procedural NCIS pretty much rendered Israel as a reckless loose cannon for years.
Highly unlikely in this case as films tend to get more scrutiny than TV. As Gar says, they’ll sand off the controversial edges.
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To be honest I’d be surprised if any MCU movie went in for any kind of meaningful real-world political commentary in general, it’s not the kind of thing I associate with or expect from their films.
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To be honest I’d be surprised if any MCU movie went in for any kind of meaningful real-world political commentary in general, it’s not the kind of thing I associate with or expect from their films.
It’s the kind of thing they try to do on occasion, especially in Captain America stories. Just with varying results. Like Winter Soldier had some good points about surveillance culture and profiling citizens, but then Falcon and Winter Soldier made an absolute pig’s dinner out of trying to talk about racial bias, refugees, popular uprisings and resource inequality.
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I don’t know because the X-Men was always allegory, it doesn’t necessarily need to address real life issues head on, it has always alluded to them. That’s why a variety of minority groups could identify with it whether it be based on ethnicity, sexuality, religion, disability etc.
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I don’t know because the X-Men was always allegory, it doesn’t necessarily need to address real life issues head on, it has always alluded to them. That’s why a variety of minority groups could identify with it whether it be based on ethnicity, sexuality, religion, disability etc.
Yeah, exactly. And it’s not like the MCU hasn’t kinda sorta addressed social issues in a divorced from politics hey look this is a thing way between stuff like Captain Marvel’s “We don’t need no man” and Endgame’s “Hey look, we have female characters. Please ignore how long the studio was run by a raving misogynist” feminism, or, you know, having some gay side characters here and there.
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Robert Downey Jr’s titanium shoes?
Iron shoes, Titanium Man is someone different.
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So what you’re saying is capitalism is to blame?
It’s Lorcan. What do you think?
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Hard keeping my mouth sewn shut about this one. ⚔️ pic.twitter.com/OdV7JmAkEu
— Ryan Reynolds (@VancityReynolds) September 27, 2022
Hugh Jackman Is Back as Wolverine in ‘Deadpool 3’ With Ryan Reynolds, Coming in 2024
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ugh…
Well, it makes for a nice logo at least…
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The script has to provide the opportunities for decent action, and the connective tissue to make the action sequences meaningful, though.
And they do have to be thought through to some extent, and offer something more inspiring than “then they fight”.
It’s a bit like comics with great action sequences. A fair amount of that can come from the writer as well as the artist. You only have to look at all the great, well choreographed but silent action sequences in Warren Ellis books to know how much influence a writer can still have on the action/visuals.
Or, to bring it back to Marvel movies: stuff like the airport fight in Civil War or the final Endgame battle thrives on all the fun little developments, character moments, reversals etc. that happen throughout the action. Those all need to be written.
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Marvel Shakes Up ‘Armor Wars’: Don Cheadle Series Now Being Developed As a Movie (Exclusive)
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And they do have to be thought through to some extent, and offer something more inspiring than “then they fight”.
Well, that’s all Shakespeare ever needed to write :)
I wonder though. I saw a clip recently in which Keanu talked about how differently written action scenes are in screenplays, with some being really detailed and some being little more than “they fight”. (Apparently, the John Wick ones are somewhere in the middle.) I think like with comics scripts, there is a lot of variety when it comes to this.
Just rewatched the Hallway fight in the second episode of the Daredevil series. I really would like to see how that was described in the script.
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James Corden is never funny.
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Lobbying for him to be cast as Annoying Cunt Who Gets The Crap Kicked Out Of Him.
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Coming soon….in The Boys Series 4.
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It may be just me, but it feels like they have lost the spark of the first few years. It could be the newness has worn off, but the quality is not there. I think they are trying to do too much and try to connect everything hampers them a bit. It no longer feels organic. It is really starting to feel manufactured. I think they lost a chunk of momentum due to COVID but post-Endgame, they seem to have been struggling.
I think it’s more like taking a break after running a marathon. What they did with Endgame was an incredible feat, but I think everybody involved with that probably needed a bit of time to recover from it. So instead they focused on the TV side of things and getting individual movies out that have a loose connection to that.
So I’m not really surprised they’re taking a bit more time before the next big wave of interconnected events. Hopefully, this just means they’re making sure they get it right. Ideally, you will feel the excitement again when the time for the next big event movies comes.
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I’m totally baffled by the Blade news. How do you announce a film in 2019, then wait till two months before filming starts in 2022, to find out your director isn’t happy and the script is a bit shite?!?.
It really does feel like the splitting of focus between the films and shows is delivering subpar work and things like this are slipping through the cracks.
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How do you announce a film in 2019, then wait till two months before filming starts in 2022, to find out your director isn’t happy and the script is a bit shite?!?.
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The whole MCU continuity aspect must be muddying the waters with some of these projects. Blade – an action movie about a human vampire beating the shit out of bad vampires. How hard can it be?
And how long do they expect Jackman to be able to get the Wolverine body put together?
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And how long do they expect Jackman to be able to get the Wolverine body put together?
For as long as puny Banner can turn into Hulk?
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A small rescheduling pick for those who want to keep track:
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I’m totally baffled by the Blade news. How do you announce a film in 2019, then wait till two months before filming starts in 2022, to find out your director isn’t happy and the script is a bit shite?!?.
Oh, I can quite easily imagine a project where everybody struggles and pulls it into different directions and everybody is unhappy with how it’s going, but you’ve committed to this so you try to make it work. Until right before you start really getting into it and you realise that it’s just not going to work and this is your last chance to just walk away.
I have no idea whether the producers, the star, the writers or the director hold the bigger part of the blame, but the general process is easy enough to understand.
It does kinda stand out that there was only one writer on the script, and she is very young and the only thing she’s written that’s kinda in this genre was an episode of the Watchmen TV show. But like you say, you’d think if the script being shit was the actual problem, that’d be something they’d have noticed earlier in the process.
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A small rescheduling pick for those who want to keep track:
totally confused by those arrows. They have all moved away into the future, right?
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Yeah that’s a terrible visualisation as it makes it look like half of those films have moved forward. They’ve all been pushed back.
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There’s a huge difference between Thunderbolt Ross, who is a supporting character, and T’Challa who was the title character in one film and a major player in at least two others (CIVIL WAR and INFINITY WAR). When the role of Rhodey went from Terrence Howard to Don Cheadle it wasn’t a big deal; nor when the role of Fandral passed from Josh Dallas to Zachary Levi.
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Eh, they should’ve recast, end of story…. also, ngl, it all feels a bit exploitative, but then again, it’s Disney we’re talking about… =/
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There’s a huge difference between Thunderbolt Ross, who is a supporting character, and T’Challa who was the title character in one film and a major player in at least two others (CIVIL WAR and INFINITY WAR). When the role of Rhodey went from Terrence Howard to Don Cheadle it wasn’t a big deal; nor when the role of Fandral passed from Josh Dallas to Zachary Levi.
They also recast Bruce Banner, of course.
But regardless, I think Chadwick Boseman’s death was a unique circumstance that took everyone by surprise, and I think Marvel Studios were in a difficult decision in terms of how best to honor him.
And let’s not forget that in the wake of Boseman’s death, a lot of people were loudly insisting that they shouldn’t recast the role or use a stand-in/CGI recreation.
Either way, I’m willing to wait and see the finished film before deciding whether I think they handled it right.
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I love Tom Ellis, but he’s a terrible choice for Reed Richards… Now, Doom on the other hand? I could see that…
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That’s great casting, but in their place, I’d probably have tried and gone for somebody younger. I mean, they just had to recast the role and even assuming Ford lives to be a hundred and ten (which we all want, obviously), he might decide to retire in a few years when he’s in his mid-eighties.
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That’s great casting, but in their place, I’d probably have tried and gone for somebody younger. I mean, they just had to recast the role and even assuming Ford lives to be a hundred and ten (which we all want, obviously), he might decide to retire in a few years when he’s in his mid-eighties.
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“Quiet, everyone! Thunderbolt Ross is having another nap!”
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Mild Drizzle Ross.
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Someone at CBR agrees with you:
More people should do that… makes my life much easier =P
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Now, Adam Driver is rumored to be in the running to play Dr. Doom.
Not sure whether I can really see him as a petulant metal-masked tyrant dictator with a scarred face and a chip on his shoulder
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I think Doom might be the easiest to cast. There’s no shortage of actors who could do well in that role. Reed is always going to be the most challenging.
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Not sure the sudden and unexpected appearance of Bill Murray at close quarters lands quite the same these days.
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no, no surprise, that’s kinda my point… like I said:
not a fan of this movie being a vehicle for introducing yet another kid, let’s hope they don’t go killing Scott or something dumb like that…
Just seems they’re leaning waaaaaaaaaay too much into that whole “All-New Marvel” period… which is kind of stupid, because that whole period sucked balls, but whatevs… I understand they need to keep churning out content
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re: Corden. I always knew I was going to hate the guy who replaced Craig Ferguson but I didn’t think they were going to make a pile of crap that big. I am reminded of the Pink Floyd lyric “Mother did it need to be so high”.
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Well the good news: Cosmo
The bad news: everything else…
Also, that didn’t sound like Vin Disel… sooo does that mean VD and Cooper are out?
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Yahya Abdul-Mateen II has been cast as Marvel's #WonderMan
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— Geek Vibes Nation (@GeekVibesNation) October 31, 2022
Trolls bitching in 3…2…1…
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How dare they cast a DCEU actor as Wonder Man!
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JRCarter wrote:
Trolls bitching in 3…2…1…Eh I don’t think anyone cares about wonderman that much… xD
They don’t have to care about the subject; trolls just wanna troll:
Trolling – (verb), as it relates to internet, is the deliberate act, (by a Troll – noun or adjective), of making random unsolicited and/or controversial comments on various internet forums with the intent to provoke an emotional knee jerk reaction from unsuspecting readers to engage in a fight or argument
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Yeah, I suspect that most of the people bitching in the media about character X’s race being changed or character y’s sexuality being changed for a movie don’t give a crap about those characters. They just want to argue about “wokeness” destroying things because it’s a buzzword that drives views and clicks.
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Yeah, I suspect that most of the people bitching in the media about character X’s race being changed or character y’s sexuality being changed for a movie don’t give a crap about those characters. They just want to argue about “wokeness” destroying things because it’s a buzzword that drives views and clicks.
No way, there’s a lot of people who’ve just never mentioned Wonder Man before and are very concerned about the “lazy writing” in the show, but they’re big fans. Honest.
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No way, there’s a lot of people who’ve just never mentioned Wonder Man before and are very concerned about the “lazy writing” in the show, but they’re big fans. Honest.
Ah, so now we need people to be well versed in Z-list comicbook characters to judge whether a show has lazy writing?? Mmmmkay then…
Well either way, I’m sure the dude will be fine… he’s already gone through the Doctor Manhattan shit-storm and lived…
Gotta say though, Marvel is missing a beat by not casting Nathan Fillion for Wonderman… yeah I know he’s 50, but fuck, he’s pitch perfect for portraying the superficial Hollywood-type failed douchebag that Simon Williams is… like out of all the roles Fillion is usually fan-casted for, Wonderman was the best fit… oh well…
Also, I would’ve liked to see Yahya as Bishop, but then again who even knows when they’ll get around the X-Men, let alone introducing Bishop…
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Yahya was one of my choices for a T’Challa recast. Him and Atandwa Kani, who played Young T’Chaka in Black Panther.
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Maybe someone in the MCU is smart in salvaging the good casting done by previous people that had the rights.
Well, they’ve been doing that with a lot of the Daredevil characters, so keeping Punisher would be an obvious choice. But this has been ping-ponged a bit, hasn’t it?
Personally, I’d love to see the Bernthal punisher again, and ideally also have his own show run by Steve Lightfood. Other than Daredevil, this was the only show Netflix Marvel got right.
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I don’t know anyone who seriously thought a new Maguire Spidey movie was likely.
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Besides Tobey, you mean?
Tobey’s an almost 50-year-old man who had basically stopped acting before Disney presumably backed a truck of money up to his house; I don’t think he had any illusions about taking a lead role in another Spider-Man movie, he had back issues when he was doing these movies in his twenties.
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