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The new beginning thing? Why?
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The new beginning thing? Why?
So we can have a big, shiny #1 on the cover! That’ll get people on board!
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Why? Because it’s pretty much a flip. First, these were billed as the big multiverse phase whatever-to-whatever finale. Now… It’s a new beginning.
Does it mean I won’t like them? Unlikely, as I’m mostly forgiving of the MCU, although I’m perhaps tiring of it after +30 films. But if this gets us to the FF and X-Men, all right.
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Why? Because it’s pretty much a flip. First, these were billed as the big multiverse phase whatever-to-whatever finale. Now… It’s a new beginning.
Yeah, this was all billed as a culmination in the same way that Infinity War and Endgame were for the first big collection of movies. Positioning it as a new beginning feels like a huge shift in emphasis.
The truth is though that these can never recreate the sense of IW/Endgame because those movies built off a run of mostly very successful and well-loved movies with a strong overarching story arc that people couldn’t wait to see culminate. There isn’t that same goodwill here and there certainly isn’t that same sense of a strong narrative drive towards the finish line.
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The truth is though that these can never recreate the sense of IW/Endgame because those movies built off a run of mostly very successful and well-loved movies with a strong overarching story arc that people couldn’t wait to see culminate. There isn’t that same goodwill here and there certainly isn’t that same sense of a strong narrative drive towards the finish line.
Yeah, that was my thinking. I mean, okay, so we’re in a multiverse now, but with the Kang storyline scrapped, it’s pretty clear this has all been going nowhere. Should they have been talking about how excited they are to take this multi-layered, complex narrative of a multiverse to the finishing line? I mean, come on, who would’ve bought that?
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You have to save something for the stinger.
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MCU Blade Rumors Says the Movie May Be Scrapped (but That May Not Be the End)
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Also apparently the third and final Miles Morales Spider-Verse movie now isn’t coming out until 2027.
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Alright! Freak, Paper Doll, Screwball, Nora Winters, Dexter Bennet here we come!
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I wouldn’t be surprised if the villain was Mr Negative, in recent years he’s been built up in Spidey stories in other media too.
Yeah, that would be pretty good. I think Screwball would be good as bit part villain too. The live-streaming social media element is even more relevant now than it was back then.
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About fucking time. What took them so long, anyway?
For the live-action one? Mostly Holland. He spent ages working on The Crowded Room, an Apple TV+ show he wanted to be his big serious prestige project, and apparently it was a terrible experience. When it came out everyone hated it, and he took a year off acting: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/tom-holland-the-crowded-room-not-harmonious-animosity-1236097983/ https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2023-06-08/tom-holland-acting-break-crowded-room
He’s been busy this year with The Odyssey.
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What are you doing for the next eight and a half hours?
Wanna watch Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine breathe?
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What are you doing for the next eight and a half hours?
Wanna watch Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine breathe?
Well, I’m still watching my paint dry right now, but maybe later when I have some free time…
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Jeremy Renner Explains Hawkeye Season 2 Hold-Up, Says He Was Offered ‘Half the Money’ to Return
I’ll be honest, I never thought they needed a second season with him. It wrapped up Clint’s story nicely and passed the bow to Kate. If they were to have a second season, I figured it would feature Kate with maybe a Clint cameo.
But if I’m being REALLY honest, I thought it was a one-and-done series with no plans for any further seasons.
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Yeah, I can’t say I really need another season of Hawkeye, and if they did one, I’d be fine with Kate being in the center.
Clint kinda needs a sendoff at this point, doesn’ the? Renner is in his mid-fifties now. I bet he dies in Doomsday.
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needs a sendoff…
Renner is in his mid-fifties…Whoa there youngster. Fifty-something is not ready for the trash heap quite yet!
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Whoa there youngster. Fifty-something is not ready for the trash heap quite yet!
That sure goes for most our jobs, but I don’t know about fighting aliens with a bow and arrow…
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Watched Thunderbolts* with the kids yesterday. It was fab. Really enjoyable. I saw the name change coming months ago, but really wish they had gone for Dark instead of New.
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Oh, Spider-man Mystery Theatre!
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Pretty nice to put out an early teaser. It’s got some Rodriguez vibes going (which I like).
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Damn! Now I want a Sandman Mystery Theatre show.
If Spider-Noir does good, dare to dream!Its got Sandman in the title, but is unsullied by Gaiman
Maybe!
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Franklin confirmed.
But does he get born during the movie, or is Sue pregnant with Valeria?Enquiring minds want to know!
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Ironheart trailer looks better than I expected it to, but I still have no interest in the show. Thought she was terrible in BP2.
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Finally saw Thunderbolts*. It was a lot of fun, but it wasn’t exactly earth-shattering.
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their new name was a sacrilege imho.
Well, they did already make fun of that in the post-credit scenes.
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Captain America: Brave New World
Have to admit, didn’t find this to be the disaster it’s been painted as. Part of that may be due to it following up The Eternals. Is it great? No. Definitely a weaker MCU, akin to Iron Man 2 or Thor: The Dark World.
The Falcon-Ross relationship makes it work. I also liked Joacquin. The new ex-Widow security figure? Not good, really shows up what Marvel had in the other Widows.
I think Marvel should have played it more coy on the Red Hulk. Sure, it would have been known after release but slapping it in the ads? Don’t think it helps the film, especially when it’s actual execution of that plot is far more subtle.
There’s no way to get around it I suppose with using the Leader, but I’m tiring of the now usual depiction of intelligence as purely mathematical and manipulative. Intelligence in films is too often rendered as computation and nothing else.
If Disney and MCU were smart, in this respect they are not, they would order a new issue of Falcon And The Winter Soldier, in a more cost effective BR only package, as it pays off that series well. But they’re not, so they won’t.
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Think so, plus I think the actor is Israeli too.
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Have to admit, didn’t find this to be the disaster it’s been painted as. Part of that may be due to it following up The Eternals. Is it great? No. Definitely a weaker MCU, akin to Iron Man 2 or Thor: The Dark World.
Those are the worst MCU movies!!!
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Yeah, but even those ain’t a bad way to spend a couple of hours.
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Yup. And I expect I’ll probably be fine with the new Cap movie, too.
But I do hope that the FF movie and Doomsday will really show what Marvel can do again. Stakes are getting higher for them, too, if Gunn’s Superman does well.
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I’ve heard good chatter about Thunderbolts too.
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Oh yeah, Thunderbolts is a good movie. But it’s pretty low-key, and I do expect more with the big ones coming up.
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Jon Bernthal Joins Tom Holland in ‘Spider-Man: Brand New Day’ = Hollywood Reporter
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Anyone else watch Ironheart?
It’s not very good. If it came out back in 2023, when it was probably supposed to, it would probably have just been one of many MCU shows, and been middle of the pack, but it being so delayed makes it stand out.
They’re clearly setting the character up for a big future and further adventures that will never happen.
It’s nothing as bad as Secret Invasion, and it’s much less of a mess than Daredevil: Born Again, but it’ll probably go with Moon Knight and Echo as a show I’ll never think of again once I’m done watching.
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I’m planning to give it a shot, but I’ve also only watched like half of Echo, so we’ll see.
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As I was watching it, all I could think of is that this is a show of common tropes and cliches done in the most trope and cliche way possible. It’s not horrible, it’s just done in a safe and unimaginative way. It’s generic.
I look at The Boys and Invincible and the daring and innovative things they are doing with the superhero genre. I’m not saying Ironheart has to be R-rated, but the quality of the writing could be so much better.
Coming not too long after Andor isn’t helping it either.
You can tell Disney is dumping it as they’re doing two 3-episodes drops, instead of an episode per week.
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They seem to be putting some money into advertising though. Forbidden Planet in Dublin has a massive decal in the window (though pretty much every Star Wars/Marvel production gets a massive decal in the window) and there was a trailer for it when I went to the cinema last weekend. And I gotta say, not sure of the crossover between MCU fans and people interested in an experimental musician and performance artist.
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And I gotta say, not sure of the crossover between MCU fans and people interested in an experimental musician and performance artist.
This must be why Feige rejected my pitch for Agents Of Y.O.K.O.O.N.O
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This must be why Feige rejected my pitch for Agents Of Y.O.K.O.O.N.O
That would have been golden, Dave. GOLDEN!!
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I watched the first episode of Ironheart today and thought it was dire. Everyone is just speaking in exposition, telling each other things they know. Riri is thoroughly unlikeable and – admittedly I’ve not watched Wakanda Forever since it was in cinemas – I don’t get why she can’t just go back to Wakanda to make her super great AI suits that will save people. The connection to Stark and Iron Man is so tenuous (not helped by them not explaining/reminding the audience that her MIT scholarship was the Stark fellowship until about halfway into the episode, unless I missed a line at the beginning) that it feels pointless. They want the character to be this self-made Stark without generational wealth, but they’ve kinda screwed that up already by having her go to MIT for free (which they got her out of by having her being awful) and making her friends with the Wakandan royal family. For this “Stark’s legacy” nonsense to actually mean anything, they should have actually put her with some Iron Man characters or concepts – have her mentored by Rhodey! Make her an intern at Stark Industries constantly clashing with Happy! Have her go work for a recently paroled “reformed” Justin Hammer! Something more than just a college drop-out with a chip on her shoulder seemingly obsessed with the legacy of someone she never met or had anything to do with.
On this episode alone, I’d say it’s easily the worst of the D+ shows.
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the D+ shows
I thought you were giving the show a D+ rating. Disney needs to rethink its streaming logo. Or maybe it’s “truth in advertising”.
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Ouch!
But well played Sir, well played.Or, can’t believe that was always there and I didn’t reach out and grab it.
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I watched the last three episodes of Ironheart.
Ooo boy, that was certainly a way to wrap up a series.
And the Big Name Actor as the Real Villain? Sure, why not.
This was not good at all. For a character that is supposed to be so smart, Riri does the absolute stupidest thing possible. It was already mediocre, but the back half was just terrible.
Marvel really needs to get some new leadership ASAP.
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Yeah, so I won’t be watching that one, huh? Like I thought.
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Yeah, so I won’t be watching that one, huh? Like I thought.
It was the pretty typical mediocre-at-best Marvel streaming fare. But in the last episode, a decision was made that undercut the main character completely.
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Glad they cut out one of the few things that might have risked being remotely interesting about this movie.
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I think it’s probably time for Feige to step down and bring in fresh blood to go along with the “reboot”.
Serious question: who would you suggest as a replacement? Feige did something unprecedented in overseeing the establishment of a sprawling yet cohesive cinematic universe at a slow, steadily increasing pace consisting of 23 films over 11 years (with some television shows thrown in), culminating in an overwhelmingly satisfying conclusion. Who in Hollywood or television today do you think is able to do what Feige did?
I concede that, judging from the last five years, Feige doesn’t seem to be able to catch lightning in a bottle twice, but I wonder if anyone else can…
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Serious question: who would you suggest as a replacement?
At the moment, I don’t have an answer. He was in his mid 30s when Iron Man came out.
Whoever succeeds him will be in a very different world than when Feige started with MCU. They will probably have Disney micromanaging more than they already do. (I think Feige gets a bit more slack, due to past performance.) Tighter budgets with higher expectations. Whoever takes over is going to have to know when to compromise and when to fight like a cornered dog. They are also going to have to be able to juggle the intricacies of not just one project, but several, and map them out years in advance. They are essentially showrunning multiple movies and TV shows at various stages of development. That is not something many people can, or even want, to do.
It will truly be a challenge of a lifetime, and that person is going to have to want the challenge. You almost need someone on the younger side who can come in strong and take the punishment, then build the endurance and experience along the way. They will be coming into it with a basic template Feige created, so they won’t have to build everything from scratch. They can use that as a starting point.
The only name I can think of is Eric Kripke, but I’m not sure he’d want it.
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I got around to watching Thunderbolts this evening, and I quite enjoyed it. It’s funny that I complained about the clean nature of the clip from the car chase where you see no drivers or gunner, but there’s quite a bit of beating up and killing of goons who are sometimes masked but as often not. And i really appreciated some decently long takes in the fights, even if the CG/wirework got a bit ropey for the points when street-level characters get launched across rooms. I liked that the resolution was non-violent, and it was pretty amusing on a meta level that a criticism of Suicide Squard was asking how this pack of losers was meant to stand up against Superman, and that’s kinda the plot of this movie.
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No one warned me that Thunderbolts was an essay on depression, trauma and recovery.
Some of those lines cut deep.
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Could have been worse. Could have been better. That’s the collective takeaway on Marvel Studios’ “The Fantastic Four: First Steps,” which pulled in $218 million globally following its July 25 bow.
But as with “Superman” two weeks prior, the superhero movie’s overseas haul — $100 million, including an anemic $4.5 million from China — offers a stark reminder of how much things have changed since pre-COVID days and where the tripwires lie for the Disney-owned studio, which has ambitious plans for two “Avengers” movies in 2026 and 2027, respectively, followed by an “X-Men” reboot further out on the horizon. By contrast, “Avengers: Endgame” nabbed $614 million from the Middle Kingdom alone in 2019.
“There’s a reset of what a hit is, and I don’t see them consistently hitting $1 billion as before — without China, with Disney+ exposure, post-COVID, without megastars,” says one top agent who represents several clients in the Marvel universe. “China used Marvel, Disney and the U.S. film industry to seed their own.”
Adds one insider of the lost China windfall: “We are never going to have those days again.”
That reality has changed the calculus at Marvel, led by Kevin Feige, when it comes to making a movie like “X-Men.” “Thunderbolts” helmer Jake Schreier is set to direct the tentpole, with the studio fine-tuning Michael Lesslie’s script.
Casting will begin soon, and the field is wide open. But Marvel has indicated to reps that it is looking for younger talent, rather than A-listers, to “keep the cost down,” says another agent. (Feige also indicated he is looking to focus on the next-gen aspects of “X-Men” during a recent conversation with press.) Marvel is holding July 23, 2027, on the release calendar for an unnamed film, but sources say it won’t be filled by “X-Men.” Marvel declined comment for this story.
While Matt Shakman’s “Fantastic Four” features a bona fide TV star in Pedro Pascal, who has made his mark on the small screen in everything from “The Mandalorian” to “The Last of Us,” he hasn’t yet scaled the same big-screen heights as the “Endgame” ensemble. And that helped keep the “Fantastic Four” budget manageable. Disney hasn’t given a precise figure on the film’s budget, only pegging it at somewhere north of $200 million.
“Avengers: Doomsday” will feature at least one mega-payday in Robert Downey Jr., who is returning to the Marvel fold as villain Doctor Doom. Sources say Downey Jr. has earned between $500 million and $600 million over the course of seven Marvel movies and three cameos and won’t be working at a discount on “Doomsday”; neither will Chris Hemsworth, who’s returning as Thor. As for who will be the star of the film, sources say Pascal is not the centerpiece, but does have an integral role. Regardless, the tentpole is on schedule to open Dec. 18, 2026.
Wall Street is keeping close tabs on Marvel as elements of its expanded portfolio fall into place, including the integration of 20th Century Fox assets like “Fantastic Four,” “X-Men” and last year’s runaway hit “Deadpool & Wolverine,” which earned $1.34 billion worldwide.
“Marvel is a critical piece to Disney’s overall premium IP. And the stronger Marvel is, the better it is for the overall company,” says Wall Street analyst Robert Fishman at MoffettNathanson.
“The recent studio momentum has allowed Disney to help drive subscriber growth at Disney+ and see the overall Disney flywheel start to accelerate again.”
There won’t be much to analyze for the next year. The next Marvel movie to hit theaters is “Spider-Man: Brand New Day” on July 31, followed by “Doomsday” in December and “Avengers: Secret Wars” in December 2027. Amid an industrywide pullback on superheroes, the Marvel brain trust is feeling no sense of urgency on the long-gestating “Blade” reboot or even a new “Deadpool” outing, sources say. However, ideas are percolating on a Ryan Coogler-helmed “Black Panther 3,” creating excitement internally.
Ultimately, Marvel is thrilled that it has brought “Fantastic Four” — a tricky property that proved vexing in the past — back from the grave: Fans have embraced the effort, giving the film an A- CinemaScore. The two previous incarnations found a tepid response from audiences, with diminishing returns. Tim Story’s 2005 version earned $334 million, while the drama-plagued 2015 version took home $168 million amid a public bashing from director Josh Trank, who complained of studio interference from Fox. (Actor Toby Kebbell corroborated Trank’s version of events.) This time around, the only minor blip came via a behind-the-scenes battle over screenwriting credits, with the WGA stepping in to make a determination. The union awarded final screenwriting credit to Josh Friedman, Eric Pearson, Jeff Kaplan, Ian Springer and Kat Wood.
For superhero watchers, good is the new great, as the genre finds its footing after a cold streak that included recent Marvel misfires — “Thunderbolts” and “The Marvels” — as well as a batch of duds from DC that predated the James Gunn-Peter Safran regime.
Says analyst Shawn Robbins of Box Office Theory: “I think as an industry we’ve become very obsessed with opening-weekend results, in particular with both [‘Superman’ and ‘Fantastic Four’]. Because word of mouth is so strong for both, I think the story is not fully obvious yet. Yes, ‘Fantastic Four’ is good enough in terms of it exceeded what Disney expected. So that’s a positive. And it’s tough to compare it to any other Marvel films because we simply live in a different time now for the superhero releases.”
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What the?
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My thoughts exactly.
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