Marvel Movies & TV: Phase 17

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I’m not exactly enthused by this framing:

https://www.ign.com/articles/joe-and-anthony-russo-say-avengers-5-and-6-will-be-new-beginning-for-mcu

The new beginning thing? Why?

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Ben

Christian wrote:

The new beginning thing? Why?

So we can have a big, shiny #1 on the cover! That’ll get people on board!

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Sean Robinson

Nah, I meant, why is it bothering him? I mean, it definitely is a new beginning for the Avengers. The Russos wrapped up the big first storyline, and since then nothing much has happened. So yeah, sure, this is a new beginning for the Avengers.

Why? Because it’s pretty much a flip. First, these were billed as the big multiverse phase whatever-to-whatever finale. Now… It’s a new beginning.

Does it mean I won’t like them? Unlikely, as I’m mostly forgiving of the MCU, although I’m perhaps tiring of it after +30 films. But if this gets us to the FF and X-Men, all right.

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Dave

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Why? Because it’s pretty much a flip. First, these were billed as the big multiverse phase whatever-to-whatever finale. Now… It’s a new beginning.

Yeah, this was all billed as a culmination in the same way that Infinity War and Endgame were for the first big collection of movies. Positioning it as a new beginning feels like a huge shift in emphasis.

The truth is though that these can never recreate the sense of IW/Endgame because those movies built off a run of mostly very successful and well-loved movies with a strong overarching story arc that people couldn’t wait to see culminate. There isn’t that same goodwill here and there certainly isn’t that same sense of a strong narrative drive towards the finish line.

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Dave wrote:

The truth is though that these can never recreate the sense of IW/Endgame because those movies built off a run of mostly very successful and well-loved movies with a strong overarching story arc that people couldn’t wait to see culminate. There isn’t that same goodwill here and there certainly isn’t that same sense of a strong narrative drive towards the finish line.

Yeah, that was my thinking. I mean, okay, so we’re in a multiverse now, but with the Kang storyline scrapped, it’s pretty clear this has all been going nowhere. Should they have been talking about how excited they are to take this multi-layered, complex narrative of a multiverse to the finishing line? I mean, come on, who would’ve bought that?
Might as well be honest about that and start with a new beginning.

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Marvel Unveils ‘Avengers: Doomsday’ Cast with MCU Mainstays and ‘X-Men’, ‘Fantastic Four’ Stars – Hollywood Reporter

Robert Downey Jr. returns to the MCU with other confirmed stars including stars as Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston and ‘X-Men’ stars like Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen.

Six years after Avengers: Endgame became one of the biggest movies of all time, the Avengers are finally assembling again.

During a nearly five-and-a-half hour livestream, Marvel Studios unveiled its cast for Avengers: Doomsday, revealing a mix of Marvel Cinematic Universe mainstays as well as actors from 20th Century Fox’s now-defunct X-Men universe and upcoming stars of Fantastic Four: First Steps. Notable names missing from the roll call included Tom Holland (Spider-Man) and Chris Evans (Captain America), who is expected to appear.

The cast announced included Chris Hemsworth (Thor), Tom Hiddleston (Loki), Anthony Mackie (Captain America), Sebastian Stan (The Winter Soldier), Paul Rudd (Ant-Man), Letitia Wright (Black Panther), Wyatt Russell (U.S. Agent), Simu Liu (Shang-Chi), Florence Pugh (Yelena Belova), Danny Ramirez (The Falcon) and Winston Duke (M’Baku).

It also included X-Men actors Patrick Stewart (Prof. X), Ian McKellen (Magneto), James Marsden (Cyclops) and Rebecca Romijn (Mystique), who kicked off the modern era of superhero movies with 2000’s X-Men, the film Marvel Studios boss Kevin Feige cut his teeth on as an assistant.

They will be joined by X2: X-Men United‘s Alan Cuming (Nightcrawler) and Kelsey Grammer (Beast), who starred in X-Men: The Last Stand for 20th Century Fox and had a cameo in The Marvels. Channing Tatum, who once was attached to a Gambit movie that never happened, will also appear in Doomsday after making his debut in Deadpool & Wolverine.

Members of the Fantastic Four are also in the cast, including Pedro Pascal (Mr. Fantastic), Vanessa Kirby (The Invisible Woman), Ebon Moss-Bachrach (The Thing) and Joseph Quinn (The Human Torch).

Thunderbolts* newcomer Lewis Pullman (Bob) is on the callsheet, along with stars David Harbour (Red Guardian) and Hannah John-Kamen (Ghost).

Tenoch Huerta Mejía, who played the Submariner in Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, was the first true surprise of the casting event. There were questions over his return to Marvel after he was accused of sexual misconduct in June 2023, claims he denied as “false and completely unsubstantiated.” He dropped out of a Netflix movie amid the media storm, and later appeared as a guest at Marvel’s Echo premiere event, suggesting he and the studio were on good terms.

The event was simple. It included a shot of a director’s chair with a star’s name on the back. Every twelve minutes or so, music from the next actor’s movie would play, and the camera would shift to a new chair and name. It ended with the swell of a new take on composer Alan Silvestri’s Avengers theme, revealing with Robert Downey Jr. (Doctor Doom) in a suit and tie to “shhh” the camera.

Marvel first announced Avengers: Doomsday to fanfare at San Diego Comic-Con in July, with the surprise reveal that Downey would be returning to the MCU after retiring the role of Iron Man with Endgame. The move reunited Downey, Marvel’s most bankable star, with the Russo Bros., Marvel’s most bankable directors, who likewise had departed the MCU after Endgame.

Marvel boss Feige first pitched Downey on the idea of returning as Doom, while Downey himself convinced the Russo Bros. to return to the fold after spending the last half decade working in the world of streaming movies. The pair opted to return after their frequent screenwriter collaborator Stephen McFeely pitched them his take.

Doomsday has a release date of May 1, 2026, while follow-up Avengers: Secret Wars is on the calendar for May 7, 2027.

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Uncle Retrospective wrote:

You have to save something for the stinger.

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That announcement worked a lot better for me than the Russos wittering on about new beginnings.

MCU Blade Rumors Says the Movie May Be Scrapped (but That May Not Be the End)

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Todd

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/spider-man-4-brand-new-day-tom-holland-1236176302/

Also apparently the third and final Miles Morales Spider-Verse movie now isn’t coming out until 2027.

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Todd

Dave wrote:

Also apparently the third and final Miles Morales Spider-Verse movie now isn’t coming out until 2027.

I think part of that is just that they want it on a different financial year to the live-action movie.

Dave wrote:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/spider-man-4-brand-new-day-tom-holland-1236176302/

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Todd

Dave wrote:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/spider-man-4-brand-new-day-tom-holland-1236176302/

Alright! Freak, Paper Doll, Screwball, Nora Winters, Dexter Bennet here we come!

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Todd

I wouldn’t be surprised if the villain was Mr Negative, in recent years he’s been built up in Spidey stories in other media too.

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Ben, Todd

Dave wrote:

I wouldn’t be surprised if the villain was Mr Negative, in recent years he’s been built up in Spidey stories in other media too.

Yeah, that would be pretty good. I think Screwball would be good as bit part villain too. The live-streaming social media element is even more relevant now than it was back then.

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Ben, Todd

About fucking time. What took them so long, anyway?

Christian wrote:

About fucking time. What took them so long, anyway?

For the live-action one? Mostly Holland. He spent ages working on The Crowded Room, an Apple TV+ show he wanted to be his big serious prestige project, and apparently it was a terrible experience. When it came out everyone hated it, and he took a year off acting: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/tom-holland-the-crowded-room-not-harmonious-animosity-1236097983/ https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2023-06-08/tom-holland-acting-break-crowded-room

He’s been busy this year with The Odyssey.

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Todd, Christian

What are you doing for the next eight and a half hours?

Wanna watch Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine breathe?

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Todd

Sean Robinson wrote:

What are you doing for the next eight and a half hours?

Wanna watch Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine breathe?

Well, I’m still watching my paint dry right now, but maybe later when I have some free time…

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Really looking forward to that one.

They actually showed us half a second of stretching!

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I read that Sinners was originally Ryan Coogler’s pitch for Blade. If it was, then going by the buzz and box office, it’s safe to say Feige fucked up.

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I’ve just noticed that some of the D+ shows have been released on blu-ray, but only in stupid limited edition steelbooks (which are going for about £60 a pop – don’t know what the original price was). Anyone know if there’s going to be a regular release in normal cases as well?