Marvel Movies & TV: Phase 17

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There’s Cassie as well. I suppose they might just have them be “Avengers”.

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Relatively Young Avengers, coming to cinemas in 2031

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Way younger than the people who keep the comic book companies alive Avengers.
While true, it might be a little much.

Marvel does have a fair number of young characters to choose from who could be “Young Avengers”:

Young Avengers Cast: 16 Potential Members Already Set Up In The MCU

More than half of those are characters that are unlikely to appear in YA, or ever again. But yeah, they certainly have enough young – and legacy – characters for a team at this point.

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This is actually a pretty decent trailer I think. It captures a Winter Soldier like tone and the Harrison Ford Hulk doesn’t look as terrible as I thought it might. Not sure if some of the more interesting editing choices like the split screen stuff (reminiscent of Ang Lee’s Hulk) will make it into the finished movie but even so this looks a little more interesting than I expected.

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Dave wrote:

This is actually a pretty decent trailer I think. It captures a Winter Soldier like tone and the Harrison Ford Hulk doesn’t look as terrible as I thought it might. Not sure if some of the more interesting editing choices like the split screen stuff (reminiscent of Ang Lee’s Hulk) will make it into the finished movie but even so this looks a little more interesting than I expected.

Yeah, that split screen thing felt more like it was just for the trailer. But as such, it was very nicely done, and nice to see someone trying something new in a movie trailer. Anyway, I like what they convey of the mood of the movie; it feels like an old-school Cold War thriller or something. So yeah, I guess I’m in. Almost surprisingly.

(For the record, I hated the Ang Lee split screen in the movie itself. I think it fundamentally misunderstood how comics work.)

And I actually liked the Thunderbolts trailer, too. Looks like a good time.

Much more excited about thunderbolts and their fake Caps than the real one right now.

Is anyone ready for a weird, niche MCU complaint? Take a look at the opening bit of that Thunderbolts trailer, where the Humm-Vees are attacking the limo.  There’s nobody visible, nobody manning the guns on top, when the gun pokes out the window near the end we don’t see the people inside.  The MCU often feels like an 80s cartoon where human enemies are literal faceless goons, anonymised and notably absent when there’s death so it can be implied rather than explicit.

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Oh, absolutely. I mean, they had zombie-like aliens for the first Avengers movie and for the Guardians movies (so Gunn could do his splatter thing). But, I mean, that’s only to be expected.

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The characters fight in the middle of a horde of CGI blobs is 100% part of the problem, yeah

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Chris Evans Returning to Marvel for ‘Avengers: Doomsday’ – Hollywood Reporter

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Chris Evans Returning to Marvel for ‘Avengers: Doomsday’ – Hollywood Reporter

Wow, he hasn’t been in a Marvel film for… well, a couple of months at least.

They’re really going back to the old formula for this one, aren’t they? Russos, Evans, Downey.

That’s fine I guess but it’ll be interesting to see whether they’ll also manage to move the franchise forward.

They’re in a tough situation. The post-Endgame output has been mostly poor, and their only two big $1bn+ blockbusters post-Covid have been the movies that brought back tons of old Marvel stars from earlier movies for multiversal cameos.

Given this, it’s easy to see why they’re resorting to the safety of that formula for Secret Wars too – but it can’t help but feel regressive and creatively bankrupt.

I have seen some talk that test audiences are not liking Captain America: New World Order.

Avengers: Endgame really was a jumping-off point for a lot of people, and it’s understandable. It wrapped up the huge Thanos arc, and 10 years of movies. I think a lot of people were sticking around to see its conclusion. Once it was over, they felt their commitment was, too.

And for the most part, the majority of Marvel’s recent output has been pretty weak. The buildup of the multiverse and Kang had a lot of eyes rolling. Jonathan Majors’ legal problems also messed up their plans so much, they had to revise them on the spot. The streaming shows have been very hit or miss.

I think Marvel trying to build second- and third-tier heroes as the new majors was just not executed well. They did not have the surrounding support of the Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor. Guardians of the Galaxy wouldn’t been as successful if it weren’t part of the cluster of Avenger-related movies. Instead, they were tossed out with the hope that the Marvel branding alone would be good enough. Unfortunately, it wasn’t. It also didn’t help that a lot of those projects simply weren’t good.

I think to a certain extent; “superhero fatigue” is real. People pushed through for Endgame and called it a day. They were ready to move on to something new. What Marvel announced was not enough to keep them on board. I do wonder if they had pulled the trigger on Fantastic Four and X-Men a lot sooner, if things wouldn’t be so dire overall.

I did see one person suggest that with the end of Phase Three, Kevin Fiege should have stepped down and let someone else take over the direction of the MCU. I understand why that didn’t happen, but maybe it wouldn’t have been a bad decision.

Hopefully, Fantastic Four and X-Men will be good and reinvigorate the MCU.

I do think we’ll get an announcement in the next year or so that Fiege will step back from running the show full time, probably with a successor named as well.

That way they can promote Secret Wars as being another finale to his whole tenure and whatever comes next as a “new era”.

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Glad its over…

Sony Spider-Man Universe Reportedly Done as Kraven the Hunter Targets Opening Worse Than Madame Web – IGN

Sony is reportedly giving up on its Spider-Man universe, which includes universally panned films such as Venom and Morbius, as Kraven the Hunter is projected for a worse opening weekend than the disastrous Madame Web.
A leading talent agent told The Wrap that Sony has “developed what they want to develop for now” and is instead focusing on the next actual Spider-Man film under Marvel Studios, which was confirmed by star Tom Holland to begin filming in 2025.

Kraven the Hunter, the latest and potentially final entry in Sony’s Spider-Man universe, arrives December 13 and is already expected to be as meek a release as previous offerings. As reported by Deadline, it’s targeting a mere $13 to $15 million at the box office in its opening weekend. By comparison, Spider-Man: No Way Home pulled in $587.2 million in its weekend box office debut.

Though final numbers won’t emerge until next week, this would put Kraven the Hunter lower than Madame Web’s $17.6 million opening weekend performance, which broke records as the worst opening for a Sony Spider-Man film ever and was the first Marvel film since Fox’s Fantastic Four reboot to not open at number one.

Kraven the Hunter stars Kick Ass and Bullet Train actor Aaron Taylor-Johnson as the titular villain, a skilled hunter who sets his sights on Spider-Man after conquering all other prey in the animal kingdom. Its director J.C. Chandor asked fans to please give Kraven the Hunter a chance.

Sony’s Spider-Man universe officially includes six films: Venom, Venom: Let There Be Carnage, Morbius, Madame Web, Venom: The Last Dance, and soon Kraven the Hunter. Only one of these has so far earned above a 5/10 in IGN’s review, with Venom: Let There Be Carnage earning a 7/10. The rest have managed between 4/10 and 5/10.

Sony has the aforementioned Spider-Man 4 to look forward to, at least. It arrives on July 24, 2026 as a continuation of the Marvel Cinematic Universe trilogy again starring Holland. It may even introduce Miles Morales into the MCU, something Holland is personally invested in.

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The only thing Sony got right were the Spider-Verse movies. I just wish they would release the third movie!

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Good fucking riddance. I hope they finally sell the bloody rights to Marvel now.

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‘Avengers: Doomsday’: Hayley Atwell Reprising Agent Carter Role In Marvel Studios Pic – Deadline

EXCLUSIVE: With Chris Evans likely reprising his Steve Rogers role in Marvel Studios’ Avengers: Doomsday, it looks like a former partner in crime with be joining him. Sources tell Deadline that Hayley Atwell is expected to reprise her Agent Carter role in the film, which Anthony and Joe Russo are returning to direct and Marvel president Kevin Feige on board to produce.

Marvel did not respond for comment. Plot details are unknown at this time. The film will bow in theaters on May 1, 2026.

Deadline was first to report in 2021 that Marvel and Evans were discussing a return in some form to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and the belief was Atwell was also part of that plan to potentially return for a stand-alone movie. A story for that film could not get nailed down, but in recent months both sides saw the new Avengers film as the perfect opportunity to bring back both characters.

Atwell can be seen next reprising her role of Grace in the upcoming Mission: Impossible – Final Reckoning, which bows in May.

Spider-Man: Beyond The Spider-Verse Gets A Disappointing Release Date Update

Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse has received a major release update. Miles Morales’ animated adventures have earned Sony several awards and two movies that fared quite well at the box office. Both films are among the best Spider-Man movies of all time, with Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse being set up to be a multiverse event like no other. The Spider-Verse trilogy finale was initially scheduled for a March 29th, 2024, release. However, the Sony Marvel movie was indefinitely delayed, being taken off the studio’s release schedule. A new update points to that delay lasting longer than expected.

According to Deadline, Sony has no plans to release Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse in 2025. The report mentions how the studio is “taking a lot of tender loving care” when it comes to concluding Miles Morales’ story. So far, there have been few concrete signs related to Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse’s release date. In September, a bombshell report claimed the movie was unlikely to be released before 2027 and that a lot of it had been scrapped for creative reasons. That report was refuted by producer Christopher Miller and composer Daniel Pemberton.

What Spider-Man: Beyond The Spider-Verse’s Release Update Means
Another Year Becomes Likely For The Spider-Verse Finale’s Release

While there might not have been any truth to the report that large portions of Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse had been scrapped for creative reasons, the report could help pinpoint when the movie will be released. Producer Christopher Miller and composer Daniel Pemberton called out its inaccuracy, which means the part about the film being unlikely to release until 2027 is also wrong. That becomes especially interesting in the context of the new Spider-Verse finale update, as the upcoming Sony Marvel movie now has a likely year to arrive.

The reason for that is simple. The new update states that Sony will not release Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse in 2025. With key personnel on the movie discrediting the rumor that it would only be released by 2027 at the earliest, a 2026 release window for Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse becomes likely. Recently, Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse’s Miles G. Morales actor Jharrel Jerome spoke to ScreenRant about whether he had already recorded his lines for the threequel. According to the star, he still has not recorded anything for Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse, which fits the film’s delayed nature.

Our Take On Spider-Man: Beyond The Spider-Verse’s Release Update
Sony Should Take Its Time With The Movie

Both Spider-Verse movies have advanced the animation medium in innovative ways while also telling some of the best Spider-Man stories we have ever had outside the comics. As such, I’m not that bothered by the reveal that Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse will not come out in 2025. After Sony faced issues with its three Spider-Man-related movies in 2024 — Madame Web, Venom: The Last Dance, and Kraven the Hunter — I’m okay with giving the studio as much time as it needs to make sure that Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse finds the perfect way to ends Miles Morales’ animated story.

I saw Kraven, which was awful. I’ve loved some of J.C. Chandor’s past movies, so I had a tiny bit of hope, but nope. Not even as goofy bad as Madame Web, just dour and uninteresting.

There’s no plot to the movie at all, and the story still feels like a mess. It wastes half an hour on an unnecessary and convoluted origin flashback, which leaves no time for a present day story. So we get some vague talk about how Alessandro Nivola didn’t want to wait for Kraven to hunt him down and decided to kidnap his brother to lead him into a trap. That’s the entire plot that remains in the finished movie.

Ariana DeBose, the only woman in the movie with more than one scene (the only other women are her mother and grandmother in the flashback sequence) is only in about a half-dozen scenes and she feels like she’s playing a different character in each of them, none of whom are at all interesting. She barely has a name, and even that I’m not sure of, given she reacts to Kraven calling her “Calypso” as if it were some secret codename.

Fred Hechinger as Kraven’s brother feels like he’s playing a proto-version of his Gladiator II character, coincidentally alongside Russell Crowe, wasted as the Kravinoff patriach. There’s also what definitely feels like a Gladiator reference when Kraven is near-death in the flashback, which probably would have played differently if this wasn’t coming out weeks after a Gladiator sequel.

The action scenes are the only good part of the movie, and there’s not many of them. They’re not great, but they kept my attention at least. There’s some extra gore and two f-bombs that are clearly an attempt to piggyback off Deadpool’s R-rated success.

There’s a terrible scene at the end threatening a sequel that everyone knows will never happen, but no credits scenes referencing Morbius thankfully.

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I saw Kraven, which was awful. I’ve loved some of J.C. Chandor’s past movies, so I had a tiny bit of hope, but nope. Not even as goofy bad as Madame Web, just dour and uninteresting.

There’s no plot to the movie at all, and the story still feels like a mess. It wastes half an hour on an unnecessary and convoluted origin flashback, which leaves no time for a present day story. So we get some vague talk about how Alessandro Nivola didn’t want to wait for Kraven to hunt him down and decided to kidnap his brother to lead him into a trap. That’s the entire plot that remains in the finished movie.

Ariana DeBose, the only woman in the movie with more than one scene (the only other women are her mother and grandmother in the flashback sequence) is only in about a half-dozen scenes and she feels like she’s playing a different character in each of them, none of whom are at all interesting. She barely has a name, and even that I’m not sure of, given she reacts to Kraven calling her “Calypso” as if it were some secret codename.

Fred Hechinger as Kraven’s brother feels like he’s playing a proto-version of his Gladiator II character, coincidentally alongside Russell Crowe, wasted as the Kravinoff patriach. There’s also what definitely feels like a Gladiator reference when Kraven is near-death in the flashback, which probably would have played differently if this wasn’t coming out weeks after a Gladiator sequel.

The action scenes are the only good part of the movie, and there’s not many of them. They’re not great, but they kept my attention at least. There’s some extra gore and two f-bombs that are clearly an attempt to piggyback off Deadpool’s R-rated success.

There’s a terrible scene at the end threatening a sequel that everyone knows will never happen, but no credits scenes referencing Morbius thankfully.

I just watched this analysis of the movie last night:

Wow, that sounds even dumber than you’d think it would. Especially the random magic power-giving potion stuff. (Which is pretty close to the comics, of course, but even dumber.)

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Marvel Studios Recasting T’Challa 4 Years After Chadwick Boseman’s Passing (Rumor Report) – The Direct

“With Marvel reshuffling the deck in advance of ‘Avengers: Doomsday’ and ‘Avengers: Secret Wars,’ and Robert Downey Jr. coming back not as Iron Man but as Doctor Doom, I’m told that the door is firmly open for T’Challa to be recast via the magic of the multiverse.”

About damn time, if it’s true. Marvel should have delayed production on “Wakanda Forever” and recast T’Challa later.

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