Marvel Movies & TV: Phase 17

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There’s Cassie as well. I suppose they might just have them be “Avengers”.

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Todd

Relatively Young Avengers, coming to cinemas in 2031

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Todd

Way younger than the people who keep the comic book companies alive Avengers.
While true, it might be a little much.

Marvel does have a fair number of young characters to choose from who could be “Young Avengers”:

Young Avengers Cast: 16 Potential Members Already Set Up In The MCU

More than half of those are characters that are unlikely to appear in YA, or ever again. But yeah, they certainly have enough young – and legacy – characters for a team at this point.

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This is actually a pretty decent trailer I think. It captures a Winter Soldier like tone and the Harrison Ford Hulk doesn’t look as terrible as I thought it might. Not sure if some of the more interesting editing choices like the split screen stuff (reminiscent of Ang Lee’s Hulk) will make it into the finished movie but even so this looks a little more interesting than I expected.

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Dave wrote:

This is actually a pretty decent trailer I think. It captures a Winter Soldier like tone and the Harrison Ford Hulk doesn’t look as terrible as I thought it might. Not sure if some of the more interesting editing choices like the split screen stuff (reminiscent of Ang Lee’s Hulk) will make it into the finished movie but even so this looks a little more interesting than I expected.

Yeah, that split screen thing felt more like it was just for the trailer. But as such, it was very nicely done, and nice to see someone trying something new in a movie trailer. Anyway, I like what they convey of the mood of the movie; it feels like an old-school Cold War thriller or something. So yeah, I guess I’m in. Almost surprisingly.

(For the record, I hated the Ang Lee split screen in the movie itself. I think it fundamentally misunderstood how comics work.)

And I actually liked the Thunderbolts trailer, too. Looks like a good time.

Much more excited about thunderbolts and their fake Caps than the real one right now.

Is anyone ready for a weird, niche MCU complaint? Take a look at the opening bit of that Thunderbolts trailer, where the Humm-Vees are attacking the limo.  There’s nobody visible, nobody manning the guns on top, when the gun pokes out the window near the end we don’t see the people inside.  The MCU often feels like an 80s cartoon where human enemies are literal faceless goons, anonymised and notably absent when there’s death so it can be implied rather than explicit.

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Oh, absolutely. I mean, they had zombie-like aliens for the first Avengers movie and for the Guardians movies (so Gunn could do his splatter thing). But, I mean, that’s only to be expected.

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The characters fight in the middle of a horde of CGI blobs is 100% part of the problem, yeah

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Chris Evans Returning to Marvel for ‘Avengers: Doomsday’ – Hollywood Reporter

Sean Robinson wrote:

Chris Evans Returning to Marvel for ‘Avengers: Doomsday’ – Hollywood Reporter

Wow, he hasn’t been in a Marvel film for… well, a couple of months at least.

They’re really going back to the old formula for this one, aren’t they? Russos, Evans, Downey.

That’s fine I guess but it’ll be interesting to see whether they’ll also manage to move the franchise forward.

They’re in a tough situation. The post-Endgame output has been mostly poor, and their only two big $1bn+ blockbusters post-Covid have been the movies that brought back tons of old Marvel stars from earlier movies for multiversal cameos.

Given this, it’s easy to see why they’re resorting to the safety of that formula for Secret Wars too – but it can’t help but feel regressive and creatively bankrupt.

I have seen some talk that test audiences are not liking Captain America: New World Order.

Avengers: Endgame really was a jumping-off point for a lot of people, and it’s understandable. It wrapped up the huge Thanos arc, and 10 years of movies. I think a lot of people were sticking around to see its conclusion. Once it was over, they felt their commitment was, too.

And for the most part, the majority of Marvel’s recent output has been pretty weak. The buildup of the multiverse and Kang had a lot of eyes rolling. Jonathan Majors’ legal problems also messed up their plans so much, they had to revise them on the spot. The streaming shows have been very hit or miss.

I think Marvel trying to build second- and third-tier heroes as the new majors was just not executed well. They did not have the surrounding support of the Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor. Guardians of the Galaxy wouldn’t been as successful if it weren’t part of the cluster of Avenger-related movies. Instead, they were tossed out with the hope that the Marvel branding alone would be good enough. Unfortunately, it wasn’t. It also didn’t help that a lot of those projects simply weren’t good.

I think to a certain extent; “superhero fatigue” is real. People pushed through for Endgame and called it a day. They were ready to move on to something new. What Marvel announced was not enough to keep them on board. I do wonder if they had pulled the trigger on Fantastic Four and X-Men a lot sooner, if things wouldn’t be so dire overall.

I did see one person suggest that with the end of Phase Three, Kevin Fiege should have stepped down and let someone else take over the direction of the MCU. I understand why that didn’t happen, but maybe it wouldn’t have been a bad decision.

Hopefully, Fantastic Four and X-Men will be good and reinvigorate the MCU.

I do think we’ll get an announcement in the next year or so that Fiege will step back from running the show full time, probably with a successor named as well.

That way they can promote Secret Wars as being another finale to his whole tenure and whatever comes next as a “new era”.

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Glad its over…

Sony Spider-Man Universe Reportedly Done as Kraven the Hunter Targets Opening Worse Than Madame Web – IGN

Sony is reportedly giving up on its Spider-Man universe, which includes universally panned films such as Venom and Morbius, as Kraven the Hunter is projected for a worse opening weekend than the disastrous Madame Web.
A leading talent agent told The Wrap that Sony has “developed what they want to develop for now” and is instead focusing on the next actual Spider-Man film under Marvel Studios, which was confirmed by star Tom Holland to begin filming in 2025.

Kraven the Hunter, the latest and potentially final entry in Sony’s Spider-Man universe, arrives December 13 and is already expected to be as meek a release as previous offerings. As reported by Deadline, it’s targeting a mere $13 to $15 million at the box office in its opening weekend. By comparison, Spider-Man: No Way Home pulled in $587.2 million in its weekend box office debut.

Though final numbers won’t emerge until next week, this would put Kraven the Hunter lower than Madame Web’s $17.6 million opening weekend performance, which broke records as the worst opening for a Sony Spider-Man film ever and was the first Marvel film since Fox’s Fantastic Four reboot to not open at number one.

Kraven the Hunter stars Kick Ass and Bullet Train actor Aaron Taylor-Johnson as the titular villain, a skilled hunter who sets his sights on Spider-Man after conquering all other prey in the animal kingdom. Its director J.C. Chandor asked fans to please give Kraven the Hunter a chance.

Sony’s Spider-Man universe officially includes six films: Venom, Venom: Let There Be Carnage, Morbius, Madame Web, Venom: The Last Dance, and soon Kraven the Hunter. Only one of these has so far earned above a 5/10 in IGN’s review, with Venom: Let There Be Carnage earning a 7/10. The rest have managed between 4/10 and 5/10.

Sony has the aforementioned Spider-Man 4 to look forward to, at least. It arrives on July 24, 2026 as a continuation of the Marvel Cinematic Universe trilogy again starring Holland. It may even introduce Miles Morales into the MCU, something Holland is personally invested in.

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Todd

The only thing Sony got right were the Spider-Verse movies. I just wish they would release the third movie!

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