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Your computer is doing well to display a GamesRadar page
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The Newsarama link is usable, at least on my computer:
This seems to be a core part of Newsarama’s strategy over the past couple of years.
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Surprised to see a new Uncanny X-Men Masterworks, covering material from the Mutant Massacre. I was sure that they would wrap up that series at #209, given that the rest of it is already out in OHC/ Omnibus format.
A lot of the appeal of the Masterworks is in the remastering and recolouring of the artwork to best match/reproduce the original comics.
Material put into OHC/Omnibus format doesn’t always – or even often – get that level of care in the restoration. So there’s a significant fanbase that’s waiting for stuff to come out in Masterworks even if it’s already available in other formats already.
It’s why I’m considering buying the latest Daredevil Masterworks – they’ve finally hit the Frank Miller era, and even though I have that material already (multiple times, in some cases) I’m tempted to get this version too as the reproduction and colours look like a significant improvement over the previous editions (particularly restoring the red colour of Daredevil from the slightly orangey tone of the modern reprints).
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I’m a little surprised Marvel’s been doing new paperback Masterworks recently, as they abandoned the last version of that in favour of the Epic Collections. They are giving us some rad Michael Cho covers though.
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I put a pile of somewhat tatty, but not bad for 45 years old, UK Captain Britain comics on Ebay yesterday, thinking, 30 quid would be nice.
Little bidding action but 5 people have messaged me so far about buy-it-now prices – “I don’t like auctions”, one offering 150 quid.
What do they know I don’t? Is the free mask magical? Choose the Mask of Might or the Mask of Right?
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His newsletter said the series / numbering was ending but he was still writing daredevil
The Daredevil title is on pause after our giant-sized issue 36 because the events in that book kind of, uh, spiraled out of control? And Marco and I need to deal with it before we can jump back onto the Daredevil title. Will that be issue #37? Or an all-new issue #1? I can honestly say I have no idea. All I can say is that we’re continuing and have more story to tell after issue 36, especially leading to our big issue 38, which is Legacy Numbering issue 650!
https://zdarsky.substack.com/p/the-daredevil-you-know
his newsletters are fun, I’d almost pay for them.
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I know most people will be pretty excited by the Jason Aaron Thor Omnibus (Vol 1), but I’m far more interested by the Matt Fraction Omnibus instead. I know I’m in the minority on this, but I really liked Matt’s run. It was a worthy (pun very much intended) successor to JMS’ run with Coipel, and the spirit of Simonson’s too. I’ll be picking this up, if I can (pun, somewhat, intended this time).
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I’m after that Fraction Thor Omnibus too.
Hoping it sells well enough to convince Marvel to omnibus the other half of Fraction’s Iron Man run.
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Novelist Walter Mosley makes his Marvel Comics debut with The Thing
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I don’t know, it seems a bit nebulous right now to say how much these are ‘events’ even if they are seemingly sold that way in the solicit. Devil’s Reign sounds most like one because of the way it affects an array of characters.
They all sound like epic storylines but even back in the day the X-Men Brood Saga was happening the same time as the FF were fighting off Galactus invading the Earth, that’s pretty basic comics DNA for a lot of epic all the time.
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Avengers Forever “Marvel Comics’ Avengers Forever pulls together archeologist Tony Stark aka the Invincible Ant-Man and Avengers from across the multiverse to bring order to timelines where ‘hope’ is a four-letter word. Jason Aaron and Aaron Kuder present an all-new series that will redefine the Avengers as… the Multiverse’s Mightiest Heroes.”
I wish they’d stop reusing the names of older stories/events for new, unrelated ones. I presume there’s some sort of trademark renewal element to it, but how does calling this Avengers Forever help anyone?
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Avengers Forever “Marvel Comics’ Avengers Forever pulls together archeologist Tony Stark aka the Invincible Ant-Man and Avengers from across the multiverse to bring order to timelines where ‘hope’ is a four-letter word. Jason Aaron and Aaron Kuder present an all-new series that will redefine the Avengers as… the Multiverse’s Mightiest Heroes.”
I wish they’d stop reusing the names of older stories/events for new, unrelated ones. I presume there’s some sort of trademark renewal element to it, but how does calling this Avengers Forever help anyone?
I thought the same thing.
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At least Devil’s Reign is not called Dark Reign
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Fantastic Four #1 shouldn’t have happened. It was a mistake.
Now I’ve got your attention, I’ll explain
In 1961, Marvel publisher Martin Goodman went to Stan Lee and said, look at this Justice League of America comic the competition is putting out, it’s beating our sales by miles. So go out and make me a comic like Justice League of America.
Lee went to Kirby (as you obviously would, if you had a Jack Kirby) and said, Goodman wants us to write something with superheroes, go and create something.
Kirby had a bunch of story ideas left over from when he had created Challengers of the Unknown for DC a few years earlier, so decided to create Marvel a team that was basically the Challengers, but with super powers.
Note, this was nothing like what Goodman has asked for.
What Lee and Kirby should have done is take a bunch of Marvel’s old Golden Age properties and put new versions of them together in a team. Because that’s basically what the JLA was, after all. That’s what Goodman was probably expecting.
Maybe they could have called this team “The Avengers”. It would certainly have had Captain America, Human Torch and Namor in it. Who else? Maybe Miss America and the Whizzer?
It would have been a sure-fire hit, because Lee and Kirby, and Marvel would still have dominated the super-hero market. Only with no Fantastic Four.
That’s what should have happened.
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What Lee and Kirby should have done is take a bunch of Marvel’s old Golden Age properties and put new versions of them together in a team. Because that’s basically what the JLA was, after all. That’s what Goodman was probably expecting. Maybe they could have called this team “The Avengers”. It would certainly have had Captain America, Human Torch and Namor in it. Who else? Maybe Miss America and the Whizzer?
The writers of the 90s animated Spider-Man series must have had similar thoughts to you as they came up with this:
https://marvelanimated.fandom.com/wiki/Six_American_Warriors
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A 60s set Tangent style reimagining of Marvel’s Golden Age heroes would be fun.
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If all of these stories were treated the same way as big crossover events (numerous tie-ins, derailing stories in other books etc.) then I could see it becoming a mess to do all of them at once, but I doubt they will be.
To be fair comics get whacked for this but I don’t think they are that bad nowadays. X of Swords was a very typical 90s style X-Men crossover where you did need to read each chapter across several books but not that much else is.
I’ve been reading Immortal Hulk and Daredevil on Unlimited and they stand alone fine for several years now into their runs, there may be some loose links to some wider events but nothing essential at all, you can just read those single books.
Like I say we can get a bit rose tinted on these things too, references have always been there. I have been doing an 80s X-Men re-read and in the middle of a Paul Smith era issue we have Lilandra chastising Reed and Sue for saving Galactus’ life, all of which happened in Fantastic Four. They are constantly using footnotes, when Sabretooth enters the X-Men comics it is several years after he was an Iron Fist bad guy, we don’t actually know anything about him from just reading X-Men. They refer to Rogue having a long battle with Dazzler, where you have to read Dazzler’s title to fully know about it or just accept from the footnote that happened and carry on. I mean the entire Rogue and Ms Marvel thing all happens in an Avengers annual even though it is key to many X-Men stories for years to come.
A lot now still works on the same basis that they tell you what’s happening and it’s up to you to delve deeper or just take the basics of it.
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Are you saying that Marvel was not happy with some of the things Spencer did?
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Today’s Amazing Spider-Man, oh dear, let’s retcon retcons galore!
Spoilers please!
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/kindreds-own-sins-past-in-amazing-spider-man-73-spoilers/
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If you’ve been a reader of Marvel comics for the last 20 years, why does any of this come as a shock to you?
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Sins Past needed to have never been written in the first place.
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The weird thing about this is that Sins Past came out in June 2004, close to twenty years ago. Some of the people reading ASM now weren’t even born when it happened. Why drag this all up again now?
I think it’s a writing cycle thing. The writers handling the book today were the fans reading it when Sins Past happened, and from a fan perspective they want to right those wrongs. I wouldn’t be surprised if One More Day gets overturned soon too.
It reminds me a little of Green Lantern under Geoff Johns. So much of that was about rehabilitating Hal Jordan and clearing up his messy past continuity and exonerating him for all his misdeeds, and I really didn’t care about any of that, but Johns obviously really did.
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Today’s Amazing Spider-Man, oh dear, let’s retcon retcons galore!
Spoilers please!
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/kindreds-own-sins-past-in-amazing-spider-man-73-spoilers/
I will admit to never having been a regular Spiderman reader, but, holy shit, does that actually make sense to anyone?
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I’m not a regular Spider-Man reader either but shit and senseless do remind me of B******* ****.com
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It’s retconning a retcon.
That Sin’s Past nonsense should never have got pat editorial in the first place so I’m not surprised it’s being written out but dang that’s a convoluted way to do it.
In one sense it’s pretty impressive the detail it goes into but maybe it’s easier just to wave stuff like this away with Mastermind brain washed everyone or something.
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Sins Past was one of those messes that seemed to stem from them getting started on a story before they had worked out how it was going to end. JMS wanted the kids to be Peter’s, but editorial thought that would ‘age’ Spidey even more than his marriage did, so asked JMS to change tack and make the kids Norman’s instead. Really the whole thing should never have got off the starting blocks.
Like I said in the New Comics thread, the retcon in this issue reminds me very much of The Osborn Journal, the mid-90s comic that essentially saw Norman Osborn retrospectively narrate the entire history of the clone saga, allowing Marvel to try and reconcile all the various developments and twists and continuity messes of that storyline and present the final, “official” version of events.
As exercises in clearing up old continuity and drawing a line under past messes, these are quite useful comics, especially from an editorial point of view.
They’re just not much fun to actually read.
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Marvel Solicitations for December – CBR link
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Miqque would have loved this cover. He loved talking about the series Earth X and there are four characters from the series who appear on this cover. DarkDevil(the demonic looking DD) the Cap who wears the flag like a toga, and the iron men looking Giant man and Wasp.
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I was quite tempted by the post- Spencer Amazing Spider-man. I like Ben Reilly, and I think Zeb Wells is a pretty cool writer (very similar to Joe Kelly’s style). And, Art Adams on covers! But, looking at those Dec solicits I cannot follow the through line. What the hell are these .Bey issues supposed to be? Is Miles’ title part of the storyline as well now? FFS, Marvel. I’m just going to spend my money on more Bat-books instead.
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I don’t read any of the books set in NYC but I think the idea of a villain with political power using said power against the heroes to be interesting. It could be a more widespread event than you think and require assistance from more writers than normal(e.g. going after FF needs Slott’s approval).
Oh, it’s guaranteed to be bigger – this is Marvel.
Alternatively, this is proof I’m getting too old for this shit.
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I don’t read any of the books set in NYC but I think the idea of a villain with political power using said power against the heroes to be interesting. It could be a more widespread event than you think and require assistance from more writers than normal(e.g. going after FF needs Slott’s approval).
Oh, it’s guaranteed to be bigger – this is Marvel.
Alternatively, this is proof I’m getting too old for this shit.
Fuck, I tried reading the solicitations and quit about half way through.
I have gotten too old for this shit.
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What the hell are these .Bey issues supposed to be?
From what I have gathered(through solicitations), Peter has unbelievable medical bills and selling Spider man IP is how he pays for it. Beyond Corp buys it and hires Ben Reilly to enforce their claim(?). Sounds lame to me. Was this a Spencer idea?
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What the hell are these .Bey issues supposed to be?
Readers will finally give up on Marvel, and start selling off their entire collection on e.Bey?
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Is it just me or does Devil’s Reign just sound meh? Knowing this is where Zdarsky’s DD run is heading I’m a bit of wary of continuing the OHCs but, by the time I need to make thst decision, event will be done.
I think as usual it depends how they approach it. Some events really don’t require you to read everything at all. Take for example Inferno all those years ago, New York filled with demons for a while which is hard to ignore in other books set there, however outside of the main X-books none of the other spin-offs need to be read at all.
I know you are a patient reader Ben and I am following Daredevil on Marvel Unlimited, I can give a heads up if it is a satisfying read or messy.
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The Kirby case was then petitioned upto the Supreme Court, with the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg signaling some interest in taking up the case. Marvel at the timefought hard against any high court review, and before the justices decided, the case was settled.
This is actually what this is all about. Nothing will change in the ownership of these characters, it’s worth starting the legal action though because they do pay out to stop it happening.
While Siegel and Schuster (and their estates after they died) have never got the rights back they did get increasing cash settlements. Sometimes they play the game of keeping people onside, Stan Lee and Chris Claremont are in that bracket, receiving annual salaries for generally doing nothing other than not legally contesting.
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1992 New Warriors sketches, about the time I was coming on the book with @FabianNicieza pic.twitter.com/B9xACruKfj
— DIE-rick RoBOOertson (@DarickR) October 3, 2021
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Marvel Solicitations for January 2022 – CBR link
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The CBR headline starts:
<h1 class=”article-title”>Marvel Plans to Kill Wolverine</h1>
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I hope they collect all 3 mini’s into one OHC.
Be a nice addition to the 4 Omnibuses.Marvel’s Evil, Future Hulk Declares ‘World War M’ on Doctor Doom, Abomination & Namor – CBR link
An evil future Hulk returns to fight Doctor Doom, Abomination and Namor in World War M, the conclusion of Peter David’s Maestro trilogy from Marvel.
The Hulk’s evil, future counterpart is coming back for one last fight in the upcoming miniseries Maestro: World War M.
The book will be written by longtime Incredible Hulk scribe and Maestro co-creator Peter David and drawn by the team of Germán Peralta and Pasqual Ferry. After suffering individual defeats, the combined forces of Doctor Doom, Namor the Sub-Mariner and the Abomination unite to take on the Maestro in a knockout, bare-knuckle fight for supremacy, with the world hanging in the balance.
Alongside artist George Pérez, David created the Maestro in the 1992 miniseries Hulk: Future Imperfect. In that book, the Hulk was flung into the future and exposed to his Hulk’s darkest timeline — one in which the Maestro rules over the planet with an iron fist. While the Hulk would eventually return to his own era, the Future Imperfect timeline proved to be popular enough to stick around, with Maestro popping up for occasional appearances in books like Exiles and the Genis-Vell Captain Marvel. Starting in 2020, David returned to the character for the miniseries Maestro and Maestro: War and Pax, which began to explore the path that turned the Hulk into an evil tyrant. Now, Maestro: World War M completes the trilogy and closes the door on the Maestro’s story.
Speaking with AIPT, David said, “I am thrilled that Marvel Comics has given me an opportunity to revisit with an old… well, ‘friend’ probably isn’t the best word… an old associate of mine who was and is very entertaining to write.” He also mentioned that “the Maestro has certainly taken off as his own character, and it’s great that I finally had the chance to expand on plot elements that have been rattling around in my head for 20 years.”
In the present day, the Hulk franchise is in the midst of a changing of the guard. Following the cataclysmic ending of Immortal Hulk, writer Donny Cates and artist Ryan Ottley will repackage the green goliath in November’s Hulk. Additionally, Jennifer Walters will return to the pages of her own solo series this January with She-Hulk by Rainbow Rowell and Rogê Antônio.
MAESTRO: WORLD WAR M #1 (OF 5)
PETER DAVID (W) • GERMÁN PERALTA & PASQUAL FERRY (A)
Cover by CARLOS PACHECO
Variant Cover by ED MCGUINNESS
Variant Cover by RON LIM
Variant Cover by LOGAN LUBERA
Design Variant Cover by GERMÁN PERALTA
THE FINAL CHAPTER OF PETER DAVID’S MAESTRO TRILOGY BEGINS!
A.I.M., the Pantheon and even Doctor Doom have all fallen before the might of the Maestro! Finally, he may now reign over his kingdom with a firm green fist. Except he didn’t count on the Abomination rising from the dead and forming an alliance with Namor and Doom! And this dangerous new alliance is ready for war — WORLD WAR M!
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The new Iron Fist:
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No Danny, no interest.
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I read most of those early Wolverine issues in the Essential books, Ben. They’re pretty good, but fairly inconsequential from memory. I’m definitely interested in Hama and Silvestri’s run in vol 3 though.
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No Danny, no interest.
I’ve never understood the backlash. Danny was the minority in the beginning. Blonde haired, Blue eyed was unique in K’un L’un. Even when he came back and worked with Luke he was the odd man out. I am also disappointed that the new one has it on his shirt instead of on his chest. I realize Danny is not a true minority having to deal with institutional racism. But saying that a white man can not learn Asian martial arts is also a form of racism.
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Do you imagine Danny Rand is going away? If there’s one thing you can be sure of in comics it is that won’t happen.
i interpreted Vikram’s post as long as Danny isn’t the Iron Fist, he has no interest. I was discussing ,imo, the stupid argument that Danny being the Iron Fist was whitewashing the character. So the answer to your question is NO.
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I get that but I think despite those complaints and this new iteration in the end they all become additions. If you don’t like Amadeus Cho there’s a Bruce Banner book on the way, you don’t like Kamala Khan then Carol Danvers has a series.
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Ahh so they couldn’t resist making Iron Fist asian and a kid… well, there goes Shang Chi’s spot-light… so much for that I guess…
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I read Black Knight: Curse of the Ebony Blade yesterday in one go on Marvel Unlimited. It’s quite a fun read, even though he was in The Avengers around the time I started reading US comics I realised I knew almost nothing about him, other than he’s a bloke with armour and a sword and some Arthurian link.
This series comes in handy as it revolves largely around his background, powers etc. I suspect there may be some bits of retcon in there but I don’t know as I never knew his origins before. I wasn’t nuts about the first issue as Spurrier plays Dane for laughs a bit too much but that eases off and it was an interesting read that sets up a new status quo for the character that may or may not lead anywhere as I doubt Black Knight comics sell that well. Worth a read without being essential.
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John Byrne’s been doing his own origin for Wolverine in his X-MEN: ELSEWHEN series:
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57693&PN=1&totPosts=19
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57779&PN=1&totPosts=1
I actually prefer it to the one we got.
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Work PC says Byrne Robotics is a dangerous site. While I am curious about Wolvie elsewhen i think i will agree with the work web protection.
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Work PC says Byrne Robotics is a dangerous site.
Your PC must be faulty. It missed out the ‘h’ in the second word.
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John Byrne’s been doing his own origin for Wolverine in his X-MEN: ELSEWHEN series:
Yes… The cbr versions are all available for download on one of the Facebook Byrne groups. Another one opened up featuring the Elsewhen issues inked in full color.
The series is up to #28.
The Facebook group is called:
BYRNE VICTIMS: For Fans of comic artist John Byrne
To get some cbr issues already inked by talented fans (It is a slow process, only up to #3), go to this group:
Fans of John Byrne’s X-Men Elsewhen Project!
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Marvel Solicitations for February
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“I take my natural pomposity and turn it down to 7.”
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John Byrne’s been doing his own origin for Wolverine in his X-MEN: ELSEWHEN series:
I also joined Byrne Robotics forum when the Facebook groups referred to them. I usually wait till the issue is all done and on cbr format, then I download it off of the Facebook group. The colored issues are way behind (BW is up to #28 vs color which is up to #4).
Basically, he does the pencils and some of his fans who are up and coming gifted amateurs do some of the inking on their own and who knows? There is a chance they might get noticed…
Then I ordered this 500-page book with his artwork and quasi biography from Brazil in Portuguese.
You might say I am greatly impressed by his work when growing up.
Before Jim Lee and the others, there was Byrne, Perez, Miller.I am old school and I like it. 😊
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Comixology have a Hawkeye sale at the moment. If people haven’t read Kelly Thompson’s run on Hawkeye/West Coast Avengers, you can get it all for $6.
https://www.comixology.com/Hawkeye-Private-Eye/digital-comic/781728
https://www.comixology.com/Hawkeye-Go-West/digital-comic/911681
https://www.comixology.com/West-Coast-Avengers-Vol-2-City-Of-Evils/digital-comic/765598The whole Fraction/Aja run is only $7 too, as is the Gillen/McKelvie Young Avengers.
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Jamie McKelvie is writing a Captain Carter series, and designed a new costume for her: https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/captain-carter-jamie-mckelvie-marika-cresta-announcement?linkId=143812696&s=09
Prolific creator Jamie McKelvie, known for his defining work on characters like Captain Marvel and the Young Avengers, will now use his acclaimed talents to bring this Marvel super hero to the forefront of Marvel Comics canon, writing the series and designing the character’s brand-new look. McKelvie will be joined by rising star artist Marika Cresta, known for her recent work on STAR WARS: DOCTOR APHRA.
The five-issue limited series will introduce Captain Carter in an adventure that will find Peggy Carter as a woman out of time, facing the reappearance of an old foe in modern day and deciding what she stands for as the wielder of the shield.
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Alex Ross is writing and illustrating Fantastic Four: Full Circle for Abrams ComicsArts which is set to debut on August 2, 2022. It’s the first graphic novel that Marvel has licensed to another publisher in more than 40 years and it will launch a graphic novel collaboration between Marvel and Abrams called MarvelArts. The book will also feature letters by Ariana Maher.
It’s a rainy night in Manhattan, and not a creature is stirring except for . . . Ben Grimm. When an intruder suddenly appears inside the Baxter Building, the Fantastic Four—Mister Fantastic (Reed Richards), the Invisible Woman (Susan Storm Richards), the Human Torch (Johnny Storm), and the Thing (Ben Grimm)—find themselves surrounded by a swarm of invading parasites. These carrion creatures composed of Negative Energy come to Earth using a human host as a delivery system. But for what purpose? And who is behind this untimely invasion?
The Fantastic Four have no choice but to journey into the Negative Zone, an alien universe composed entirely of anti-matter, risking not just their own lives but the fate of the cosmos!
“First graphic novel” slightly ignores that they’ve been outsourcing their kids comics to IDW for years, but I’m excited to read this
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How the hell are cosplay costumes more comics-accurate than big-budget Hollywood productions?
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Marvel Comics releases the first look at the Punisher’s revamped skull symbol
The Punisher has always been one of the more extreme characters in the Marvel Comics pantheon. Now, the gun-toting vigilante is getting an extreme … makeover. In the upcoming 13-issue prestige series, Punisher — set to hit comic-book store shelves in March — Frank Castle trades in the skull symbol that has been part of the character’s costume since his 1974 debut in the pages of The Amazing Spider-Man and has also adorned his appearances in other media, including the two-season Netflix series that starred Jon Bernthal.
The first images from Punisher, which is written by Jason Aaron with art by Jesús Saiz and Paul Azaceta, reveal the redesigned skull, which now sports horns and sharpened teeth to reflect his new role as a member of the Hand, a shadowy league of assassins. “This story is the destined next step in the dark and tragic evolution of Frank Castle, from troubled kid to heroic soldier to revenge-driven vigilante … to the duly anointed King of Killers,” Aaron remarks in a press release obtained by Yahoo Entertainment. “Believe me when I say, I am as excited about this story as anything I’ve ever written for Marvel.”
In recent years, the Punisher’s original symbol has been appropriated by police officers and soldiers, much to the chagrin of the character’s co-creator, Gerry Conway. “The vigilante anti-hero is fundamentally a critique of the justice system, an example of social failure, so when cops put Punisher skulls on their cars or members of the military wear Punisher skull patches, they’re basically siding with an enemy of the system,” he told Syfy Wire in 2019. “He is a criminal. Police should not be embracing a criminal as their symbol.”
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