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What’s his ‘new look’? To me it’s the same bloke in the same kind of suit.
Once you see the ‘tit’ in that poster it’s really hard to unsee it.
It’s kind of a boring poster, isn’t it? For me, the classic James Bond Poster should be painted and have Bond standing suavely, wearing a tuxedo and holding a gun, all in front of a strangely arranged montage of elements of the film (semi-naked women, explosions, helicopters etc…)
I think that my favourite is On Her Majesty’s Secret Service, where Bond appears to doing a ski-jump while looking suave, wearing a tuxedo and holding the gun. That shows us that Bond is just a brilliant multitasker.
https://images.app.goo.gl/Ynz2e7cdGpF9AnR19
It looks like a book cover.
A boring poster like that will never get people discussing it on the internet!
Oh… wait…
It looks like the front cover of James Bond’s autobiography.
So true! And come to think of it, “Not Time to Die” would be a pretty cool title for a Bond autobiography.
Maybe what they’re secretly doing is they’re making it a mockumentary with Bond directly narrating to the camera about his life and times in between doing action stuff.
Bond by way of Spinal Tap would be excellent.
James Bond film No Time To Die has officially wrapped filming
That’s the end of Daniel Craig’s 007 journey.
Cool.
I am still really, really looking forward to this one. I think Fukunaga has great storytelling instincts and I hope Craig goes out with a really great one. (Because unfortunately, he’s my favorite Bond but only had one movie that I really loved and too many I didn’t like much.)
Craig’s era feels like it has lasted forever, so I’m quite ready to move on to something new.
Casino Royale came out in 2006 – it will be 14 years old by the time his final film comes out.
(Compare it to Pierce Brosnan’s era, which ran for four movies but only lasted from 1995-2002, half the length of the Craig era.)
I hope he goes out on a good movie, but I’m also hopeful that they move forward with a new era soon after.
I’m also hopeful that they move forward with a new era soon after.
but will it? i think Bond should move in one of two ways. If they continue making movies, they should set the new ones back in the 50-60s. We all know that there are already Bond movies set in the 60s but they were made in the 60s and film making has changed a lot in the 50 years. The other suggestion would be shifting to TV. Star Trek finally admitted their movies were not as successful as they wanted and went back to TV. Batman, Superman, and even Star Wars(despite SW box office) are facing issues with their current features.
All of this is my opinion and and does not take into account the mindset of the people who own the James Bond franchise but i think after Craig leaves, a major shakeup would help them greatly.
Looking at the box office, these are now films that make the same sort of money as superheroes and big fantasy films; $800m to $1bn so, IMO, we’re not going to see any major changes beyond recasting the lead role, which is a big enough change in itself.
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They’ll stay contemporary and they’ll stay in cinemas.
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At least until the audience indicates they want something different again, by staying away.
Yes, the last few Bond movies have been big earners so I don’t think it’s comparable to the Star Trek movies at all.
I think a change of Bond actor often helps to usher in a new era in lots of other ways too – look at what a break the first Dalton, Brosnan, and Craig movies made from the preceding era – so I’m hoping for something like that.
So are you saying that you’re ready for them to strip everything down again, like with Casino Royale? Or do you want ridiculous Moore antics? I’m not sure which way the pendulum will swing considering the core tenets of the series are so fixed.
I actually don’t really mind which way they go. I just like the clarity that you tend to get with the first Bond of a new era, when they know they have to win you over and before all the crap can start to accumulate and the actor starts feeling tired and predictable.
Like I said, I think Craig is good but I also feel like I know what to expect from his Bond by now. He had a decent enough run but it’s time for something new.
I did not know Bond did so well in the foreign market. I guess I have to readjust my thinking on this
So are you saying that you’re ready for them to strip everything down again, like with Casino Royale? Or do you want ridiculous Moore antics? I’m not sure which way the pendulum will swing considering the core tenets of the series are so fixed.
Stripping down has been done now, I doubt they’ll go that way again. And I don’t think they’ll go back to those 80s antics, either.
Personally, I prefer a bleak, cynical, somewhat realistic variation of Bond. And one that doesn’t show too many emotions. There’s supposed to be a broken man behind the fassade, but that can only ever be hinted at. Oh, and throw away all that fucking nostalgia that Mendes introduced and make him of our time again. Give me a slick, 21st century killing machine. Actually, that’s one change I could see them do: from blunt instrument to scalpel.
from blunt instrument to scalpel.
that would be a good idea and helps brings Bond into the 21st century. Make him more than just some guy who uses Q’s toys. Make him some one who knows what he is doing when it comes to Technology. A Bond who can hack would be nice.
It’s a long established trope of the movies that Bond is casual about the tech but he knows his way around a computer system, without being as adept as someone like Q.
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In Casino Royale he’s shown accessing information on M’s laptop and then from the computers at the golf club in the Bahamas.
Bond stealthily entered the hotel suite of the man he was here to kill. But first he needed information, and he knew just how to get it. If he was right, the crook’s innocent young bride should be the only person in the suite at this hour.
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From the bathroom, he heard the sound of the shower, and a brief glance showed him lacy lingerie lying on the bathroom floor. He smiled impishly, and slowly loosened his bow tie.
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Then he sat down at the computer and typed,
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“I love my job,” thought Bond.
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thought the audience.
Bond stealthily entered the hotel suite of the man he was here to kill. But first he needed information, and he knew just how to get it. If he was right, the crook’s innocent young bride should be the only person in the suite at this hour.
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From the bathroom, he heard the sound of the shower, and a brief glance showed him lacy lingerie lying on the bathroom floor. He smiled impishly, and slowly loosened his bow tie.
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Then he sat down at the computer and
… switched it off and then on again.
No such luck – it was still asking for a password.
Bond decided he was going to give it his best shot.
Using only the index fingers of each hand, he typed in “P… A… S… S… W… O… R….,…,….D” (he could never remember where the ‘D’ was).
Still nothing.
Defeated, Bond phoned one of his kids and asked if they knew how to do it.
The recent rumours about Emilia Clarke being in the running to take over as Bond (almost certainly bollocks) have got me thinking: given that they’ve had such a long run-up to this movie, and they’ve known from the start that this is Craig’s last outing, could they be preparing to do something they’ve never done before and introduce the next Bond in the same movie where they’re saying goodbye to this one?
I know it would create a bit of a problem in terms of having two Bonds in one movie (they could either use the old James-Bond-is-a-codename explanation or simply pretend that both actors are playing the exact same character, both of which would be a bit jarring), but it could bring extra attention and interest to the movie – akin to a Doctor Who regeneration episode – as people want a look at the new guy.
They make superhero money these days. They don’t need the gimmicks.
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What I think they will do is milk the fact that Craig has said he doesn’t want to come back, and they will milk the search for the next actor.
they will milk the search for the next actor.
Yeah, that probably makes even more business sense.
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I like Dave’s idea though. With the Bond-as-codename thing, you could easily have the same Bond in the movie; you could even fucking kill Craig’s Bond and have the other take over in the same movie.
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If they planned something like this, we would’ve heard hints about it already though, and I agree it’d take away from this being Craig’s last Bond. Why make it one event when you can have two?
I like Dave’s idea though. With the Bond-as-codename thing, you could easily have the same Bond in the movie; you could even fucking kill Craig’s Bond and have the other take over in the same movie.
Yeah, that was the kind of thing I was thinking about.
I think Steve’s probably right that they won’t do that and don’t need to, but it’s a fun idea.
James Bond returns to the big screen next year, and Dynamite Entertainment is marking the event with the release of James Bond in ‘Reflections of Death’, a hardcover anthology of stories from an all-star line-up of creators.
The 128-page book features more than 20 creators, including Andy Diggle, Mark Russell, and Luca Casalanguida, contributing “case files” of various Bond missions being investigated by Moneypenny as she works towards freeing herself from an unfortunate kidnap situation.
https://www.outrightgeekery.com/2019/11/26/james-bond-reflections-of-death-announced/
First teaser on Wednesday
Bond is back. The first trailer for #NoTimeToDie arrives this Wednesday #Bond25 #BondJamesBond pic.twitter.com/ThIEdXn82N
— James Bond (@007) December 2, 2019
I think Steve’s probably right that they won’t do that and don’t need to, but it’s a fun idea.
It’s always a risk to actually make something like that an established fact. The character’s signature line is “Bond. James Bond.” Well, it is fun for fans to think that it’s just a cover name, but at heart, that means that actually these agents are NOT Bond. James Bond. when they say that.
The whole idea is predicated on the simple fact that no actor can play the same character for fifty plus years. That’s a “real world” reason that we get a new James Bond every decade or so. So, uber-fans can say that “it’s really just a cover and all the Bond actors are 007 secret agents who take on the Bond role when the previous agent retires.”
However, in the end, it is about James Bond, not a cover. If James Bond is a cover story, then it is too close to the real world fact that James Bond is just a role. What else is part of that cover? Does this guy even like martini’s “shaken, not stirred?” Who is this guy, really, if he’s not ‘really’ James Bond?
It won’t matter to the casual viewer, maybe… but the casual viewer doesn’t ask the question why Daniel Craig is so different from Pierce Brosnan or Sean Connery, either. The real Bond aficianado though has some investment in the character of Bond and the history of these various Bonds who were the real bonds for their time on the screen.
So, the filmmakers appease no one with the conceit that it’s just a cover story for some 007 agent who gets the assignment.
Yeah, I think you’re right. It raises more questions than it answers and ultimately it’s just not necessary.
Yeah Bond is like Sherlock Holmes – he might get played by a different actor but it’s just an interpretation of the character. I know sometimes there’s an overall story that lasts beyond any one actor but mostly there isn’t. I’m fine with the way it works, I don’t think we need any DC style continuity tidy-ing up.
James Bond Prime does not need to punch through Q-Space.
Has anyone ever done a NOT James Bond character that explored that idea? Maybe a spy novel or TV show I’m not familiar with?
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It’s a silly idea. It immediately suggests that Felix Leiter must also be a cover name passed from agent to agent because we’ve seen him as several different people (complete with miraculously regenerating limbs). And that basically implies that everybody else in every intelligence agency in the world must be at least in on the trick, if not actively swapping names, and the whole thing becomes pointless on its own terms.
Has anyone ever done a NOT James Bond character that explored that idea? Maybe a spy novel or TV show I’m not familiar with?
In the Family D’Alembert series of novels (not by E.E. Smith) the lead characters, Jules and Yvette, are circus acrobats who are called up to work in the secret service. When they do, their circus “understudies” take on the names Jules and Yvette and continue the act, so nobody knows that the original Jules and Yvette have left. And the implication is that this has been going on for generations. That’s a continuity of cover identity, though, rather that a continuity of code name. Except the Jules and Yvette who are now spies still call themselves Jules and Yvette, so maybe it works as continuity of code name too, although the more you think about it the less sense it all makes.
It’s a bit like the opposite of Allo Allo where Rene ended up having to pretend he was his own twin brother.
interesting take on the MI-6 agents in those posters. No business or evening wear, just commando gear. De Armas looks very good in her evening wear though.
The font for the title is the same as the one for The Love Boat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qksz72Xtpwc
Trailer:
If you’re posting a Youtube link, you need to change the editor from Visual to Text.
That looks fun. I’m surprised how Swann-heavy it looks.
Thanks, that was driving me crazy I even tried embedding code ;)
Well that definitely looks like a Bond movie.
The film has had other issues, not least Danny Boyle leaving, but that was before they started shooting.
Zimmer and whoever else they get is going to have to work fast.
The #NoTimeToDie title song will be performed by @billieeilish. Billie has written the song with her brother @finneas and is the youngest artist in history to write and record a James Bond theme song. pic.twitter.com/Qd5cYIRlmg
— James Bond (@007) January 14, 2020
I’m here for it.
Her brother looks like he’s auditioning for a reboot of Daredevil.
The #NoTimeToDie title song will be performed by @billieeilish.
Can’t be any worse than Sam Smith’s contribution to Spectre.
What’s with the padlock? Is he afraid someone will steal his tie?
So it’s not going to be a big belter of a tune then. I do like some of her songs, but Ive always though her voice sounds a bit weak most of the time.
but I can see this being popular with the #younghipkids.
It’s a snazzy colour.
What’s with the padlock? Is he afraid someone will steal his tie?
He doesn’t want anyone to steal his heart!
The git stole my reply! I’ll try again.
The tie is a nice colour. He’s perfectly coordinated with the background. He appears to want to be anywhere else but there.
He’s locked in.
So it’s not going to be a big belter of a tune then. I do like some of her songs, but Ive always though her voice sounds a bit weak most of the time.
but I can see this being popular with the #younghipkids.
I really like Eilish, she’s very talented and doesn’t fit the usual pattern of a teen singer. The music’s quite challenging and not bubblegum pop. As an old man now I was introduced to the music via my daughter but I approve of her listening to stuff like that.
Does seem a rather strange fit for a Bond movie though, she’s definitely not a big belter of a singer and her songs tend to be rather understated rather than Bond’s overblown style (even when they’ve used pop acts). We shall have to wait and see what they deliver.
Just saw the Guardian had similar thoughts put more amusingly:
Eilish’s minimalistic brand of clicks and whooshes might be good by itself but there’s a real risk it’ll be like painting Pikachu on a Chippendale when it’s set to the hoary old pervert psychedelia of the film’s opening titles.
Eilish’s minimalistic brand of clicks and whooshes
That sounds awesome. (I am now assuming she sounds something like Hawkwind.)
It’s not a bad song, but I don’t like her vocal affectation. Does she always sing like that?
It’s not a bad song. But I felt like I was waiting for it to really kick in, and it never did.
It’s fine, but it sounds like a lot of other dour Bond themes.
Can 007 have some fun again next? Please?
Does she always sing like that?
Yes. Which is why a lot thought she was a strange choice in that Bond themes traditionally have someone who belts the tunes out (like our Shirl).
It’s decent enough but I kind of agree with Steve that despite what seemed a bold choice of singer the song itself is pretty samey and traditional.
Tickets are on sale now, with a confirmed run time of 2h45m.
That’s plenty of time to die.
Postponed until november. https://twitter.com/007/status/1235248760260874241?s=19
New Bond is coming out in November instead of April now.
James Bond has been scared off by fucking covid-19. Tsk. I thought he was supposed to be tough.
“He was pounding the table, saying you’re the best James Bond, I wanna do James Bond”
By Esquire Editors
20/04/2020
On last night’s live watchalong of GoldenEye, Pierce Brosnan – the Bond with the kindest eyes – revealed much about the Nineties-era 007, and it seemed everyone wanted in on the star’s turn on the Walther-PPK. Even Quentin Tarantino.
Long after the 1995 Bond hit wrapped production, Brosnan revealed that the director’s people got in touch with his people to talk about a spy film that never came to fruition. But several rounds of martinis did.
“It was after Kill Bill Vol. 2, and he wanted to meet me, so I went up to Hollywood one day from the beach, and I met him at the Four Seasons,” said the 66-year-old. “I got there at 7pm, I like to be punctual. 7:15 came around, no Quentin, he was upstairs doing press. Someone sent over a martini, so I had a martini, and I waited till 7:30, and I thought, where the heck is he? Word came down, apologies, so I thought, okay, I’ll have another martini.”
Eventually however, the Pulp Fiction writer did turn up, at which point Brosnan admits he was “fairly smokered” – and Tarantino decided to top the actor up with more apple martinis. Soon enough, “we were [both] fairly smokered”.
“He was pounding the table, saying you’re the best James Bond, I wanna do James Bond, and it was very close quarters in the restaurant and I thought, please calm down, but we don’t tell Quentin Tarantino to calm down,” said Brosnan.
“He wanted to do James Bond, and I went back to the shop and told them but it wasn’t mean to be. No Quentin Tarantino for James Bond.” Instead, Brosnan finished his tenure on Die Another Day. Which, under the guiding hand of the Inglourious Basterds auteur, may’ve meant samurai swords, an air hostess-turned-world saver and a Bond far too foul-mouthed for the tender ears of Judi Dench.
“That would be a good one to watch,” said Brosnan. We’re inclined to agree.
I am absolutely delighted that never came to fruition.
I kind of feel that way about the Tarantino Star Trek movie.
Anders wrote: I am absolutely delighted that never came to fruition. I kind of feel that way about the Tarantino Star Trek movie.
I kind of feel that way about the Tarantino “Once Upon a Time in Hollywood” movie.
Wait…what..?!
I kind of feel that way about the Tarantino “Once Upon a Time in Hollywood” movie.
I don’t understand what people like about that movie, Apart from the acting (Leo, especially) and a technical skill that made it at times pleasing to look at, I found it entirely uninteresting and over-indulgent, even for Tarantino. Read some reviews after watching it and the consensus seems to be that it was pretty good if not excellent. I really, really don’t see it.
I kind of feel that way about the Tarantino “Once Upon a Time in Hollywood” movie.
I don’t understand what people like about that movie, Apart from the acting (Leo, especially) and a technical skill that made it at times pleasing to look at, I found it entirely uninteresting and over-indulgent, even for Tarantino. Read some reviews after watching it and the consensus seems to be that it was pretty good if not excellent. I really, really don’t see it.
I thought it was okay. It was basically a series of loosely connected vignettes and no real plot. It probably would have been better if it had cut 45-60 minutes off the runtime.
I was fine with the runtime; wouldn’t have carted if it had gone on longer. It wasn’t about the plot, it was a portrait of a time and place. A mythological 70s Hollywood that was innocent and beautiful. With the ending and corruption of it all ever edging closer; a feeling of dread for what we know is coming.
I was fine with the runtime; wouldn’t have carted if it had gone on longer. It wasn’t about the plot, it was a portrait of a time and place. A mythological 70s Hollywood that was innocent and beautiful. With the ending and corruption of it all ever edging closer; a feeling of dread for what we know is coming.
And then that ending which pulls the rug out from under you, and emphasises that feeling even more.
I enjoyed the movie a lot – it might be Tarantino’s best since Jackie Brown.
I was fine with the runtime; wouldn’t have carted if it had gone on longer. It wasn’t about the plot, it was a portrait of a time and place. A mythological 70s Hollywood that was innocent and beautiful. With the ending and corruption of it all ever edging closer; a feeling of dread for what we know is coming.
Except that Hollywood was never innocent and beautiful. So it’s mythologizing a place that never existed (and treats the only POC in the film as an arrogant idiot who a aging white stuntman can go toe to toe with in a fight) and does away with any dread by reducing the threat to that mythology into a bunch of bumbling losers.
Except that Hollywood was never innocent and beautiful. So it’s mythologizing a place that never existed
I think that’s what Christian meant by “a mythological 70s Hollywood that was innocent and beautiful”.
It’s pretty clearly not striving to be a realistic depiction of that era, and if that wasn’t clear for most of the movie then the ending makes it pretty explicit. It’s a love letter to an idealised imagined version of that era of Hollywood, and the magic of the movies.
So it’s mythologizing a place that never existed (and treats the only POC in the film as an arrogant idiot who a aging white stuntman can go toe to toe with in a fight) and does away with any dread by reducing the threat to that mythology into a bunch of bumbling losers.
The dread Christian was talking about is in the contrast between the fantasy of the movie and what we know actually happened. The ineptitude of the killers is part of the fantasy.
The ending is really haunting to me, it really does feel like a dark fairy tale. And it drives home the tragedy of Sharon Tate’s death in a different, perhaps more moving way than a conventional retelling would.
James Bond Should Drop One Tradition After No Time To Die
Daniel Craig is confirmed to be quitting as James Bond after No Time To Die, but the series should break tradition and recast everyone else too.
by Craig Elvy
Apr 22, 2020
The James Bond franchise should break from tradition and recast all of its supporting characters after No Time To Die. The twenty-fifth film in the James Bond franchise has endured a lengthy and troubled production. After heavy speculation over whether Daniel Craig would return for another stint as 007 (mostly fueled by the actor himself), Danny Boyle departed as the film’s directed over a clash of creative vision against Bond’s long-standing producers. After finally gaining a semblance of stability, No Time To Die was one of the first movies to be pushed back due to the worldwide coronavirus pandemic, and will now release in November 2020 instead of April.
Daniel Craig has already confirmed that No Time To Die will be his final James Bond film, and the race for a new 007 will soon begin. But Bond has a tradition whereby the arrival of a brand new leading man doesn’t necessarily mean other characters are also recast. For example, Judi Dench originally appeared as M during the Pierce Brosnan era, even though most fans prefer her more recent performances. Similarly, Desmond Llewelyn played MI6’s Q for over 30 years, outliving many an incarnation of 007. While this practice is part of Bond’s DNA, it makes sense to stop after No Time To Die, and recast all of the recurring supporting characters such as M, Moneypenny, Q and Felix.
Firstly, Daniel Craig’s tenure as James Bond has been a largely self-contained affair, telling a single, overarching story from Casino Royale to No Time To Die. Fans have followed this iteration of Bond from a rookie 00-agent to a veteran being dragged out of retirement for one last mission, whereas previous versions of the character would appear fully-formed and disappear without explanation, free from the same connectivity Craig’s movies have been bound by. Because of this, it would be jarring if Ralph Fiennes’ M or Ben Whishaw’s Q appeared in Bond 26 and failed to acknowledge that their dashing top secret agent no longer looked like Daniel Craig.
More importantly, the mindset of a movie audience in 2020 is very different to that of the 1960s. When James Bond began, the departure of Sean Connery wasn’t an automatic reason to recast Llewelyn as Q, or Bernard Lee as M, for example. If the supporting cast were happy to stay and performing well in the role, then the switching of Bonds was no cause for further cast upheaval. But ever-evolving trends and tastes mean this no longer applies in 2020. The franchise is king in the modern movie industry, with shared universes becoming increasingly common, and this means an audience is actively looking for connectivity between films more than ever before, struggling to suspend their disbelief if something doesn’t logically add up. This phenomenon is not exclusive to James Bond either. Michael Gough served as Alfred across 3 separate incarnations of Batman in the 1980s and 1990s, and few eyebrows were raised. But if Michael Caine or Jeremy Irons had been cast as the famous butler in The Batman, fans undoubtedly would’ve had questions.
The same is true of Bond’s supporting characters. The only way the iconic franchise can properly move forward into a new post-Daniel Craig era is to completely recast the key MI6 roles. Of course, that isn’t to say the Daniel Craig Bond films haven’t featured some amazing supporting talent. Fiennes, Dench and Whishaw have all left a legacy as M and Q, respectively, while Naomie Harris as Moneypenny and Jeffrey Wright as Felix Leiter have helped redefine their characters for modern times. Despite standout performances across the board, however, No Time To Die should mark the final appearances of each, giving the next James Bond an entirely fresh start.
Eh, I don’t think it matters really. The Bond series recasts whenever it likes so it’s not as though it’s really a set tradition that some of the supporting cast have to continue when they change the lead, it’s just the way it’s often worked out in the past.
Aside from Q the Brosnan era was a pretty hard reset in terms of casting, if I remember rightly, which the article doesn’t mention.
Yeah, it’s the fan thing again, like the occasional debate that starts, “What if ‘James Bond’ is actually a code name????”
Actors stay on with the franchise because the producers like them, and it’s a nice regular job that keeps their profile that bit higher.
Audiences are fine with that.
Been enjoying repeatedly:
Been enjoying repeatedly:
Where the hell is Ethan Hunt?
But still, who looks at Harry Styles and thinks James Bond?
Pre-teen girls. All of them.
So, apparently, there were rumors that Harry Styles was in line to be the next 007, which, apparently, he’s denied.
But still, who looks at Harry Styles and thinks James Bond?
Honestly nothing has a higher bullshit count than ‘rumours’ about James Bond casting (well maybe Doctor Who casting).
John Cena could do both and still make it home in time for supper.
John CenaMeryl Streep could do both and still make it home in time for supper.
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Bond 25: MGM Shopped Film to Streamers with $600M Price Tag
Yeah, not sure I can see a single movie being worth that to anyone.
Sean Connery has died.