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I enjoy it – it is not really that different from the comic so far and likely fans of the book will have a little deeper connection or perspective on the characters than the show delivers, but it is pretty well put together for a more general audience. Not as extensively changed as The Boys compared to the comic, though. Or The Walking Dead, another Kirkman adaptation.
Is there a live action movie also still in development?
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There is.
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I watched the first ep. Love listening to JK Simmons voice. The animation is good and the fight at the end was very well done. I never read the book but knew the big spoiler. Things are unsettled in my life right now so I am not adding any new shows atm so who knows when I pick it up again.
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Jason Mantzoukas, Zazie Beetz, and Gillian Jacobs on superheroes and super dirtbags
https://tv.avclub.com/jason-mantzoukas-zazie-beetz-and-gillian-jacobs-on-su-1846577511
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I have the first two compendiums on the ‘to read’ pile. I too already knew a secret and wondered when they would get to it.
So I watched the first episode last night. Thought it was very good.
The art style seems to fit. If some people dislike I honestly think too different wouldn’t work.
Good to see (hear) Steve Yuen and good on them for casting Koreans Yuen and Sandra Oh (descent).
But JK Simmons just works for me in anything and here is no exception.Is that last scene (of 1st episode) happening ‘in the now’? Or a preview of things to come?
I guess I’ll find out quick when I catch up.3 episode drop on Mar. 26th and then weekly, episode # 4 this Friday. 8 episode total (I think).
I’m in.
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I have to say, I was a little worried that the murder plot was going to fade into the background but she show’s done a good job of keeping it going, setting some stuff up, and maintaining momentum. It’s hitting that sweet spot where I want to know more about every plotline. I do worry that they’ll try to spread out the eventual reveal of who killed the Guardians for too long – I’ve not read the comics so I don’t know when it comes out. I do have the first couple of trades in a Humble Bundle so I figure I’ll go through them after series 1 finishes.
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I don’t recall the Demon Detective so he may be a new addition as a combination of Hellboy and The Demon.
Damien Darkblood didn’t look that much like Hellboy in the comics. He was something of a Rorschach analogue:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/damien-darkblood/4005-41134/images/
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The most recent episode was treading water a little bit, but some nice action scenes and dramatic moments. It does ask the obvious question whether it is a good idea to try to balance a relationship, school, etc. while being a new superhero in this very dangerous world. Actually, that is the thing that Omni-Man could really teach Mark. How does he have a family life and do all that hero work?
The show is much more upfront on the idea that maybe being a superhero is the unhealthy decision.
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I was not expecting the fight out at Machine Head’s place. That was brutal but I’m glad they’re mixing thing up from the book a bit.
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It’s definitely an episode that adds nuance rather than big plot moments, but the fight was really cool – Michael Dorn was excellent as Battle Beast. The animation budget is straining at points though – there’s a few bits where the motion in the fight slowed down noticeably, and the Principal was incredibly off-model when he catches Mark in the hallway
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Animation reminds me a bit of the style in the kinda American Alien adaptation SUPERMAN MAN OF TOMORROW. A lot of the same ups and down in production value.
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Titan is a bit more nuanced here than in the original comic. There was no wife and daughter. He was just an ambitious thug.
True – at the same time, it does become more of cliche – and not entirely well done. The wife (or maybe just his girlfriend) and daughter have no distinct personalities or provide any pressure on his character. They are just there to provide sympathetic connection both from the audience and from Mark. There could be the question whether Titan is simply using them and could easily discard them, but it seems pretty clear that is not the case.
Also, – same in the comic really – there is a logic problem in the scheme. As the audience, we’ve watched Mark develop, so we know the type of person he is. However, Titan doesn’t know him. No other hero would have gone along with this – as Omni Man makes clear – so how could Titan be so sure that Mark would. There was a lot in that scheme that didn’t really work very well as far as character and plot and depended on the audience understanding things that the characters couldn’t naturally know in the flow of the story like how did he know the Guardians were going to show up?
That’s not unusual in these types of stories, though. Unfortunately, I’m finding it hard to really stay with the series as it kinda drags. Everything seems to be running in place as far as the main conflicts especially Mark’s relationship with Amber – which to be honest I am hoping they split up for good. This is his first relationship. They are in high school – these relationships are not meant to last. Nolan and Deb’s relationship is more interesting, but, again, the conflict there is just creeping along. Cecil must know, of course, that she knows and they have to have her under surveillance and know all about the costume. However, Cecil’s involvement has gone dark as far as the plot so you can predict it’s a set up.
Of course, Amber’s reaction to Mark is also insane. He should have been mad at her for not running away, and she should have been happy he was not hurt or killed – she doesn’t know he’s invulnerable. In fact, she thinks he just got out of the hospital from getting hit by a freakin’ bus and is still recuperating from those injuries. Yet she still call him a “piece of s&*t” for being conscious of his safety.
Listen, if there is a shootout or a bomb blows up in a building you are in or near, and your partner expects you to run in and help – unless you are a trained, armed first responder of some sort, end that relationship on the spot. Okay? I mean, if something catastrophic happens and your girlfriend or boyfriend is insanely mad at you for not getting shot or injured or putting your life at risk, that person is dangerous, and leave them.
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It’s a different context than in the original comic. The scene was much more chaotic and there was no “Mark got hit by a bus” cover story. This version does have Amber come off as a little bitchy in that instance. Her flirting with a frat guy afterwards didn’t help. That said, Mark had seemingly flaked out on her before.
Yeah, in the context of the scene in the show, it certainly seems like she’s just a terrible person. This isn’t a “flaking out” situation, but a “lucky to be alive” so her anger that Mark survived and that’s her first reaction when she sees he’s okay doesn’t play the way I think they intended it.
Imagine the same scenario, but in reverse – Amber runs away from the rampaging, screaming cyborg punching holes in everything and after it’s done, Mark calls her a “piece of s&*t.” I think we’d see pretty quickly that’s a terrible and unjustified reaction. Throughout the show, the role has been that Amber protects people and doesn’t expect heroics from Mark. She’s the assertive one and cares about people. We know he’s a superhero, but she’s not into him because she’s looking for someone to take care of her.
However, after the first date and a few scenes with them together, I haven’t really seen any reason these two high-schoolers – they are still just teenagers – have any good reason to stay together. Mark’s presented as the sort of kid who’s only ever had one girlfriend, and that is the biggest reason he doesn’t want to break up even though we haven’t seen anything in their relationship where they really connect. Also, Amber’s reaction to him flaking out in the past doesn’t seem natural as well for the way her character is portrayed in the show. It’s just weird that as completely up front, open, confident and “taking no shit” that she is in the show – much more than any teenager in any show ever – that she just writes off this new and very odd behavior from Mark as being flaky.
A lot of this is that Mark’s superhero business prevents him from concentrating on a relationship – which totally fits the direction of the narrative. The fact that he’s learning you can’t half-ass so many things in your life when all of them – heroics, relationships and school – require 100% commitment. Also, he can’t – and honestly should not – tell her he’s a superhero, and even if he did, that becomes an even bigger reason to break up. It doesn’t really justify his past behavior with her, it just puts it in a different context and that context now becomes that she’s never even known who he really is.
That’s a natural direction the story could take from the set up, but this scene doesn’t fit as portrayed in that and, ironically, it doesn’t feel like the writers are giving their relationship the attention and commitment it needs to serve the story of the show.
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Yeah, that one was intense as hell. Like I stuck it on just before I took my lunchbreak and couldn’t bring myself to pause just to get food.
(BRB, gonna get some food now)
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If, after the last episode, you had a low opinion of Amber, this week’s episode probably won’t change your mind. Of course, many are split on Mark and Amber’s… split. There are those who think it was all Mark’s fault as he should have told her earlier and those who think Amber’s being unreasonable.
- exactly, though it is worse in this case because the reveal, or twist, is that Amber supposedly knew he was Invincible the whole time which makes her reaction at the college emergency irrational, and, at the same time, her explanation is similarly indefensible.
- it’s not like the case where her boyfriend had an affair but he is living a completely new life he’s not prepared for. And what assistance or sympathy did she offer in this relationship knowing that? Mild irritation, maybe?
It’s not just that Mark did not tell her the truth, but she never confronted him with her apparently pretty strong convictions about the truth. Her response that she knew he was a superhero and that’s why she didn’t hold him accountable now seems arbitrary and actually committing a bit of mindfuckery by holding him accountable now out of all the times she could have. He’s literally saving lives, maybe saving the world, and she’s making him feel bad about it. - it only works if you don’t take the main story seriously. As if Mark is not a superhero but is a comic book writer and the stories about his father and all the other heroes are fiction and a hobby.
- it really devalues the role Amber should play in the story.
- at the same time, this just means that she is a selfish, inexperienced teenager like Mark who is afraid of risking self esteem for a relationship, but it seems like the show’s writers haven’t really considered that she bears any responsibility for the trouble in the relationship. If you don’t confront your partner with your suspicions in a situation like this then you bear responsibility for the consequences. You can’t claim it’s all their fault when you knew the truth and said nothing.
did she want him to not save his friends and stand by her side and watch them die? What did she want exactly if she knew he was a superhero? If she knew he was a hero, then she should have demanded he help them. This is the behavior of someone who think you must prove you are worthy of then so, again, Mark is better off without her.
at the same time, Amber takes up about .01% of the story which indicates how much the show and fans give a crap about her or their relationship. Every one just wants to see the action.
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No one seemed to have much sympathy for Mark in this episode. Not Amber, not William, not Eve. Then comes the gut punch at the end.
Yeah, even Mark doesn’t have much sympathy for himself. I did find it a little weird that he left to go see Eve right away after William’s talk. William’s tough love advice was pretty good, but at the same time, poorly informed. The way these scenes play out leave Mark looking more like he’s just a dumb guy than an inexperienced teen. He didn’t start the series that unintelligent. In fact, he started the series as really intelligent, pretty open-minded and a lot like Peter Parker in the new Spider-Man movies. Inexperienced, but really good and dedicated to figuring things out.
A lot of little things in the show irk me. One is that Mark and Nolan really haven’t had a lot of time together in the series, so there isn’t much a relationship built up between them. Mark and William were on their way to his house, so it would’ve made more sense that Mark would have talked to his dad. In his eyes, if there is anyone who can offer the best advice balancing a life and superheroics, then Mark’s best model is Omni-Man – not Eve who is also working out her own issues with superheroics. If Mark had decided to go to the one person he’s sure has it all worked out, it would give a lot more impact to the moment when he discovers his dad has blown everything up, literally, on an apocalyptic scale.
Then, there are things like The Immortal. How did he know where to find Omni-Man? Robot just lets the Mauler twins get away. It’s been established that he can control multiple bodies over great distances. He doesn’t show up at the Guardians’ HQ in that giant robot so he could’ve continued pursuing the Maulers while sending another drone to HQ – hell, he already had a drone at HQ so it would not be like they’d be asking where the hell he is.
Nolan’s character is supported greatly by the voice acting (as is Cecil), but I think they pushed too hard on the shady and cold aspect. We see him kill the Guardians so we know he’s the bad guy. So, there is no reason for him to act like or give hints that he is the bad guy in any of the other scenes. Like up above, rather than Mark and Nolan fighting and disagreeing, it would have been more dramatic if their relationship became closer and stronger before the final blow-up. Nolan does turn out to be right pretty much about most things when Mark disagrees with him – like about not helping Titan. Also, they started with Nolan very active in Mark’s training and then they dropped it a few episodes in.
It is on par with DC animated shows – close to Teen Titans (not Go!) and Young Justice and better than Man of Tomorrow (which has all sorts of things that irk the hell out of me) – but it also shares a lot of the lazy writing and clichés common in Marvel and DC animated series and movies.
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Holy fuck that was good! Hope I can get to sleep at a decent time tonight. Feel like I’m high and wired.
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I’m glad the animation didn’t got to shit further… kinda weird episode 4 is so low quality compared to the rest though…
Other than that, good season, though I wish Amber would’ve disappeared, fuck that chick.
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Other than that, good season, though I wish Amber would’ve disappeared, fuck that chick.
I like the character but the role she has in the story doesn’t work for me and they basically have her gaslighting Mark and blaming him for gaslighting her when she knew he was Invincible the whole time (at least said she did).
However, her real potential was a contrast in this world. She’s an exceptional person without superpowers, so how does it affect her or people like her that there is a world out there where even if you are a genius or Olympic-level athlete, you can’t even compare to someone whose brain is connected to a supercomputer or a guy that can run faster than the speed of sound because they were bitten by a radioactive roadrunner or whose dad comes from another planet.
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Starting to think Omni-Man and Amber might be tied for most hated character on the show.
The difference is that when Omni-Man is on the screen, you’re engaged. When Amber is on the screen, you’re really waiting for the next scene. It’s just irritating.
I really do think she qualifies as an antagonist in the story. She primarily represents the main reason Mark wants to stop being Invincible, even after Nolan reveals his true purpose on Earth and everyone knows he’s the main advantage Earth has, if it has any, against the Viltrumite Empire. Amber literally could be responsible for the destruction of the Earth!
Though I’m sure the show does not intend that to be presentation, but it is ironically something that has changed culturally. In the past, the assumption is that the love interest is supportive and essentially flawless while any problems in the relationship are all on the hero who spends too much time engaged in his adventures rather than on the relationship. However, that has changed culturally where both partners are held accountable for passive-aggressive behavior and withholding tactics that undermine each other.
So, when a show has a more active and assertive love interest like Amber is in the series, she comes off worse if they have the same sort of scenes as they did with Lois and Clark/Superman back in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s.
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I’ve seen a few of these:
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Is the video just someone saying “shut the fuck up and watch something else instead you fucking morons?” Because otherwise I’m not clicking.
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My god – when the narrator said “Okay, you’re Superboy and your dad is Thanos. You’re a comic book nerd – you should get this shit immediately” I lost it.
… and yeah, it is bullshit writing to expect us to believe Amber knew that Mark was Invincible the whole time or even any of the time before he told her. Bullllllll…. shit.
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So he didn’t have anything in writing and when it came to actually putting it down on paper, he didn’t get a lawyer to check it over?😕.
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So… this is the last month we won’t have a Season 2 update for you!!!
— INVINCIBLE (@InvincibleHQ) December 16, 2022
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Welcome to Burger Mart! Please enjoy a hot meal along with an update on Season 2 of… pic.twitter.com/rHTblkb2wp
— INVINCIBLE (@InvincibleHQ) January 20, 2023
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Robert Kirkman Promises Smaller Gaps Between ‘Invincible’ Season 2 and Season 3
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Invincible Gets Standalone Special for Atom Eve Ahead of Season 2 – CBR
Atom Eve has gotten her own Invincible special revealing the character’s origin story to help hold fans over during their continued wait for Season 2.
At San Diego Comic-Con, some major news was announced for Invincible, such as the revelation that Season 2 will finally be premiering on Prime Video on Nov. 3, 2023. The season will be split up into halves with the second part set to follow in early 2024. Meanwhile, it was announced that a special standalone episode centered on Atom Eve would also be released on Prime Video, and as of July 21, it’s already been made available for streaming. A trailer for Invincible: Atom Eve was also released to provide a sneak peek at the special.
Atom Eve is voiced by Gillian Jacobs in Invincible, but this origin story features younger versions of the character with Aria Kane and Jazlyn Ione sharing the role. The Atom Eve episode also features the voice of late actor Lance Reddick in one of his final roles, playing Erickson. Stephen Root (King of the Hill, Barry) makes his debut in the series with this episode as well as the voice of Dr. Elias Brandyworth. Returning from Invincible Season 1 are Steven Yeun as Mark Grayson (aka Invincible), J.K. Simmons as Nolan Grayson (aka Omni-Man), and Sandra Oh as Debbie Grayson, Mark’s mother and Nolan’s wife.
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Season 2 starts this Friday November 3rd
INVINCIBLE Invincible Season 2, Part 1 Review – IGN
The following is a spoiler-free review of Invincible season 2, part 1, which premieres on Prime Video November 3. Reviews of new episodes will run on Fridays through November 24.
Picking up shortly after the series’ first season, Invincible returns with a truncated “Part 1” that was split for creative reasons, but ought to have been allowed to play out to its full conclusion. The first four episodes of season 2 air weekly on Prime Video starting November 3, with the next batch of four set to premiere sometime next year, and while the continuing adventures of Invincible/Mark Grayson feature occasional emotional heft, they can’t help but feel scattered in their construction.
Still, the strengths of these episodes rival the gut-churning anvil that was dropped on us in last season’s finale, which saw the half-human, half-Viltrumite hero Mark (Steven Yeun) used as a battering ram to kill civilians before being beaten to a pulp by his turncoat alien father, the ruthless Nolan/Omni Man (J.K. Simmons). With Omni Man having fled the planet, Mark and his mother Debbie (Sandra Oh) are left to deal with the ensuing emotional crater. This makes for a remarkably effective throughline across all four episodes, especially as far as Debbie is concerned; as a human, her only outlets for dealing with superpowered problems can’t help but feel hopeless and insignificant.
Lots more in link…
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Steven Yeun Says They’re Already Working on ‘Invincible’ Season 3
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Oh yeah, now Amazon Prime has commercials.
There was one McDonald’s commercial before episode 5 started, and that was it (for me anyways).Not bad, but I don’t think it’ll stay that way.
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