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Tardis DW returns

I remember when 2020 seemed a long way away!

Hope we get some news soon on exactly when this is coming.

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  • #17274

    It’s amazing for me to see how low TV ratings have gone. 6.78m as a best for BBC1 would have been a level setting up a show for cancellation 15-20 years ago.

    That doesn’t mean this series of Who gets a pass as the drop off is quite significant from last year, although it looks like more or less the same as the one before that. It would be interesting if someone looked at the various times of year it’s being shown since it keeps shifting around in the post RTD years.

     

  • #17298

    It’s amazing for me to see how low TV ratings have gone. 6.78m as a best for BBC1 would have been a level setting up a show for cancellation 15-20 years ago.

    That doesn’t mean this series of Who gets a pass as the drop off is quite significant from last year, although it looks like more or less the same as the one before that. It would be interesting if someone looked at the various times of year it’s being shown since it keeps shifting around in the post RTD years.

     

    I saw a chart for the Chibnall era live ratings the other week and basically it’s been a steady decline from the lauded 11m for the first episode down to 3.8m for the most recent ones, with minor spikes for the Judoon and final episodes. There’s not even a big drop between series (that you could blame on the long gap or the shift in time of year) just the same rate of decay. Whereas if you look at the last couple of Capaldi series, it bounces around within a fairly steady (if perhaps still moderately low) range.

    It’s hard not to read a narrative into that of viewers just getting fed up and steadily abandoning the Chibnall era (vs late stage Moffat having a steady core that dipped in and out per episode).

  • #17299

    Yes but now people can find out that the Doctor is really a mindwiped orphan from another dimension with any number of former incarnations who was abused as a child. 11 million viewers, here we come!

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  • #17341

    a mindwiped orphan from another dimension with any number of former incarnations who was abused as a child

    Finally, a Doctor I can find relateable!

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  • #18468

    New Moffat-written Doctor Who on the way.

    Well, a little bit anyway.

    https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2020-03-21/steven-moffat-new-doctor-who/

    Steven Moffat creates brand-new Doctor Who scene ahead of special Day of the Doctor rewatch Exclusive!

    Fans are coming together to simultaneously revisit the 2013 special – and now a new scene has been filmed to reintroduce it to the masses

  • #18474

    Likely to just be Tennant self-recording on a cameraphone, but I’m excited regardless. Think I’ll join in the simultaneous rewatch too.

  • #18479

    I’m hoping it’ll be good fun, and I’ll watch the episode again too. It was very well done.

  • #18507

    Here it is:

     

    https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2020-03-21/doctor-who-new-moffat-scene/

    I enjoyed it. Well-written considering the real-world limitations.

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  • #18510

    I loved that little short.

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  • #18512

    The little short was funny and suitably dressed for the occasion.

  • #18515

    Good writing and voice work. I enjoyed that little video.

    And it was fun re-watching The Day of the Doctor.

    Moffat always got too complicated, but I miss his dialogue.

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  • #18814

    https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2020-03-23/doctor-who-rose-rewatch/

    More social distancing Doctor Who viewing.

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  • #18857

    I’ve been wanting to dip back into Eccleston’s series (mainly the finale, which is still fantastic) for a little while now, so I’m definitely going to watch Rose along with Russell.

  • #18887

    His Years and Years show was excellent. A bit too prescient for comfort.

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  • #19107

    A new short story by Chibnall that I present without comment or judgement.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/entries/97411dd5-13e3-45a8-9ed2-dbf97ef85516

  • #19109

    Aw, this is cute though.

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  • #19111

    :wacko:

     

  • #19136

    She’s great.

    I wish I still liked the show, but she’s great.

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  • #19141

    I do think that stuff like this shows how charismatic and likeable she is, and how the show isn’t necessarily making the best of her talents at the moment.

  • #19172

    RTD is now on Twitter here: https://twitter.com/russelldavies63

    Prequel thing is on the BBC website at 2 and then on his instagram after. There’s also a “sequel” to Rose coming at 7:45.

    Excited!

  • #19175

    So this is the “prequel”.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/entries/4acfd237-6eee-47b5-93bd-1c16cd065614

    It’s absolutely brilliant.

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  • #19200

    And the sequel.

    Which is also great.

  • #19549

    Two things!

    There’s another Twitter watch along at 7pm BST tonight for Vincent and the Doctor. No new material this time, but tweeting along will be Richard Curtis, Emma Freud, Bill Nighy, Tony Curran, Karen Gillan and Matt Smith. #TheUltimateGinger

     

    Other thing is that, after talking with some American friends on another board, I was spurred to look at the North American versions of the Classic Collection blu-rays (the UK ones of which are still selling out almost instantly and going for crazy money). Some of these have actually dropped pretty low in price. Tom Baker’s first and last series are $20-25 on Amazon.com at the moment. I was going to import one of them (they’re not region locked), but Amazon US has started limiting export purchases (due to Corona, understandably). They’ve gone one step beyond that and being really weird about even letting the items be visible. I had one open in a tab and then searched for it by the exact title Amazon has it under in another tab and it wouldn’t show up. Same with the new GI Joe Classified figures.

    Anyway, it occurred to me last night that Canada is also in North America (I know, I’m smart, right?) so checked Amazon.ca, where they’re showing up and also cheap. I ordered Tom Baker’s first season for £26 inc postage. Weirdly, it’s saying there won’t be any import duty/tax due, which doesn’t seem right. I just spoke to my new friend Sagar on live chat though and he assures me this is correct and that if I am charged any import tax, they’ll refund me for it. Admittedly, it’s not going to arrive til mid-June, but still, good deal.

    So if you’re looking to get the classic series on blu-ray, try Canada.

  • #19610

    Normally in the UK import tax is only applied if the value is over £150.

    I know because I got into a long conversation with a customs agent at Heathrow about it after being asked to bring in a portable TV (which was under the limit). So if you find more Canadian bargains, order them one at a time.

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  • #19618

    Normally in the UK import tax is only applied if the value is over £150.

    Customs duty is different from VAT though, usually on something like a Blu-Ray set the threshold would be (I think) £15. Anything more valuable than that and – unless it’s exempt, like books – you’d be expected to be hit with a charge.

    I know Amazon US operate a scheme where they can charge that tax as part of the purchase price to avoid the buyer being hit by it as they receive the item, so it could be that it was taken care of at that point.

  • #19623

    Yeah, there’s usually a charge for anything over £15 (customs I guess rather than import tax) and it’s been more stringently enforced in the last few years.

    Amazon US does an Import Fees Deposit scheme where they calculate and charge you up front so you at least don’t have to pay a handling fee to DHL or Royal Mail or whoever (and will get refunded the difference if they’ve over-estimated it, but I’ve never had that).

    That’s pretty routinely applied on all stuff I’ve imported – DVDs, Transformers etc. When I looked at getting one of the Who blu-rays from Amazon US, it was quoting about £6-10 for IFD. That’s why I’m so surprised Canada aren’t charging anything.

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  • #21095

    There’s a new Who short story by Steven Moffat here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/entries/a094ba61-81b2-465b-9b87-2f509fe2a117

    There’s another live-tweeting thing on Saturday – The Doctor’s Wife with Neil Gaiman – but the novelty of those has worn off a bit for me.

  • #21105

    I’ll watch that one. Novelty isn’t a factor. I’m doing Netflix Party screenings of movies, with friends, almost every night. It’s fun and almost fills the gap of meeting people to watch movies and have a chat.

    On top of all that of course, I think it’s a very good episode. I’m happy to re-watch it anyway.

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  • #21164

    I’m doing Netflix Party screenings of movies, with friends, almost every night. It’s fun and almost fills the gap of meeting people to watch movies and have a chat.

    I’ve been thinking about doing that. How do you go about it technically?

  • #21166

    Maybe we should do one with the board!

    Ooh! We should do BvS!

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  • #21169

    maybe we should

  • #21174

    I’ll watch that one. Novelty isn’t a factor. I’m doing Netflix Party screenings of movies, with friends, almost every night. It’s fun and almost fills the gap of meeting people to watch movies and have a chat.

    On top of all that of course, I think it’s a very good episode. I’m happy to re-watch it anyway.

    That sounds cool, assuming you mean like a voice chat as you’re going. The tweet-a-longs wore a bit thin for me because constantly refreshing Twitter is pretty distracting while watching TV and on the last couple, while they’ve secured an impressive group of people, they’ve not had much to say that was particularly interesting. For the 11th Hour one, I just read through Moffat’s tweets without rewatching it and didn’t feel I’d missed anything.

  • #21175

    That sounds cool, assuming you mean like a voice chat as you’re going.

    We use Netflix Party, it’s text, no voice; https://www.netflixparty.com/

    For the 11th Hour one, I just read through Moffat’s tweets without rewatching it and didn’t feel I’d missed anything.

    You missed watching the episode! It’s a great episode!

  • #21177

    I must have watched The Eleventh Hour more than any other episode of Doctor Who. It’s great and I discover new stuff to enjoy in it every time.

  • #21178

    Netflix Party is an extension that gets installed in Chrome.

    It works as long as everyone has Chrome and everyone is watching the same film. I think it can be done internationally, but we haven’t tried yet.

    It may require VPN connections to a particular region? And not all films are on all Netflix regions.

  • #21179

    That sounds cool, assuming you mean like a voice chat as you’re going.

    We use Netflix Party, it’s text, no voice; https://www.netflixparty.com/

    For the 11th Hour one, I just read through Moffat’s tweets without rewatching it and didn’t feel I’d missed anything.

    You missed watching the episode! It’s a great episode!

    It is, yeah! But I wasn’t in the mood to watch it and next time I will, I’ll be fully focused on it and giving it all the attention it deserves, rather than half-focused on it, half on filtering through my Twitter feed.

  • #21183

    I wasn’t in the mood to watch it and next time I will, I’ll be fully focused on it and giving it all the attention it deserves, rather than half-focused on it, half on filtering through my Twitter feed.

    I feel like this misses the point of these watch-alongs a little bit. You’re not meant to be watching the episode as normal and giving it your full attention, it’s meant to be on in the background while it sparks off conversation from the people involved, and your attention is on that.

    I’ve been continuing to participate in the Red Dwarf live video chat commentaries with Rob Grant, Ed Bye and Paul Jackson that are running on Sunday afternoons, and it’s been an absolute joy as they’re ready with all manner of interesting facts about the making of the show and fun anecdotes about the cast and the writing and the filming and rehearsals and so on.

    We all have the episodes running in the background in synch (nothing high-tech here – we just all cue up the DVD or Netflix at home and press play at the same time) so everyone is in the same place for where the conversation is being sparked from. But I don’t end the experience feeling like I’ve watched the episode properly. It’s not about that.

  • #21187

    I’m having a movie board screeny party thingy right now.

    …You’re all very quiet…  B-)

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  • #21199

    Maybe we should do one with the board!

    We definitely should! I’d prefer some way in which you can also see/talk, but the text chat option is probably the realistic one.

    Ooh! We should do BvS!

    …shit, that’s even on Netflix.

     

    …okay, I’d be game. But we could also watch a GOOD movie. And we could use NetflixParty, or we could just do a thread. Worked well enough for the ESC evenings.

  • #21209

    I feel like this misses the point of these watch-alongs a little bit. You’re not meant to be watching the episode as normal and giving it your full attention, it’s meant to be on in the background while it sparks off conversation from the people involved, and your attention is on that.

    So far I’ve found it to be, broadly, “episode on. Is anyone tweeting anything about this bit? Full focus on Twitter feed. Nothing there. Check the hashtag. Try and make it update (even if it’s on latest). Scroll through all the noise. Can’t see anything from the interesting people. Switch to top comments. Has that bit happened already? Oh, it was five minutes ago, I missed that. Switch back to main feed, ok it’s not even showing me tweets I saw on the hashtag feed. Oh hang on, here are some tweets from Bill Nighy that haven’t been threaded properly about something that happened 10 minutes ago. Oh, is the episode over already?”

     

    EDIT: It’s not nearly as successful as the Eurovision chats we’ve had on MW, for instance.

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  • #21221

    Sorry, the movie’s over now.

    It was very good.

  • #21222

    ut we could also watch a GOOD movie.

    Are… are you suggesting that BvS is NOT A GOOD MOVIE!?  This is an extremely novel opinion, and, frankly Christian, I think you have quite the nerve.

    I do generally like this idea.  It is hard to tee up in time-zones and may require some organisation but now would be the best time to do this with us all in lockdown.  We just need to find the right film…

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  • #21223

    Sorry, the movie’s over now.

    It was very good.

    Was it Raiders of the Lost Ark?

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  • #21224

    I did pick the right film. No one watched it with me. :wacko:

    But it’s okay, you all can pick the next one.

  • #21225

    Sorry, the movie’s over now.

    It was very good.

    Was it Raiders of the Lost Ark?

    No. Raiders I watched in my head with you in a double feature running concurrently with Ferris Showerhead.

  • #21229

    Tim wrote: Ooh! We should do BvS!

     

     

    … … …shit, that’s even on Netflix.

    I’ve never been gladder that I don’t have Netflix.

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  • #21230

    ut we could also watch a GOOD movie.

    Are… are you suggesting that BvS is NOT A GOOD MOVIE!?  This is an extremely novel opinion, and, frankly Christian, I think you have quite the nerve.

    I do generally like this idea.  It is hard to tee up in time-zones and may require some organisation but now would be the best time to do this with us all in lockdown.  We just need to find the right film…

    So what movie are we watching and when can we watch it and do you need snacks and drinks?

  • #21304

    Some Movies That Are on My Streaming Lists (I know, I know, most of you will have seen most or all of these already…):

    – Midsommar
    – The Only Living Boy in New York
    – Hereditary
    – Dave Made a Maze
    – Shoplifters (I know!)

    (All of those are on the Amazon Prime list, though, not on Netflix. Netflix ones:)

    – Uncut Gems (I know!)
    – Molly’s Game
    – Horse Girl
    – The Two Popes
    – Atlantics
    – 22nd July
    – A Sun

     

    Or we can always watch an old favourite. Or I really would be up for a BvS rewatch. I mean, it would certainly be fun.

  • #21343

    Uncut Gems is great but it is not a good movie for social commentary.

    Of the Netflix ones, I have not seen:

    Atlantics, 22 July, a Sun.

    I have not seen any of the Amazon Prime ones.

    I have both services but I do wonder hats available on yours that isn’t on mine (Only Living Boy is definitely on mine though).

  • #21359

    Or we can always watch an old favourite

    I would highly suggest this. I have trouble with texting and watching at the same time. Pick something familiar so we don’t miss anything.

  • #21367

    It makes sense. I think if you do it with something new (unless it’s completely brainless like Eurovision) then you can miss what’s going on, a rewatch works better for this kind of thing.

  • #21368

    If people are willing to put in a little more coordination, there are a couple of sites out there where you can sync up watching a file everyone has locally.

  • #21372

    It sounds like a fun idea. I’d be up for it. I agree that a movie most of us have seen might be best.

    A so-bad-it’s-good film might make for fun conversation, again a la Eurovision.

  • #21373

    I’m just gonna put out the suggestion of anything by Godfrey Ho

  • #21464

    I agree that a movie most of us have seen might be best. […] A so-bad-it’s-good film might make for fun conversation, again a la Eurovision.

    Oh dear. It’s actually going to be BvS, isn’t it?

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  • #21475

    I said so bad it’s good. 

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  • #21601

    The Twitter watch-along of ‘The Doctor’s Wife’ has begun;

    https://twitter.com/hashtag/BiggerOnTheInside?src=hashtag_click&f=live

  • #21611

    Big Finish and Gaiman are discussing a Corsair spinoff;

    A handy guide to the character as Gaiman saw it for a 2012 book (not to be considered canon of course).

    corsair

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  • #21613

    How this plays out:

    Right now, I have little interest in this.

    Then Gaiman and Big Finish will cook up a great concept and then attract a top -notch cast.

    And I end up prebuying it.

     

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  • #22226

    Another short story, a 13th Doctor one from Paul Cornell:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/entries/ea758c64-014d-40f3-ba6f-3136207abfa2

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  • #22988

    Ooo, the shade.

    Interesting that Chibnall’s taken something of backseat from this whole fandom engagement campaign during the pandemic, incidentally.

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  • #23013

    He’s busy writing the new season.  His notes to himself:

    “What if: new Dalek, but sexy?”

    “Master/Doctor romance? Kid is villain?”

    “Overplot – Cybercavemen vs Cybersaurs!Cybermen rewrite the history of mankind!”

     

     

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  • #23019

    Also:

    “Sontarans family tree drama”.

    “Doctor turns out to have created the universe, puts Not-A-Gun to someone’s head”.

    “Time-Flight but worse somehow?”

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  • #23029

    “Gallifrey mirror dimension! Freyigall?”

    “Hitler episode?”

    “Young Time Lords on holiday? Time Lads!”

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  • #23036

    “Hitler episode?”

    They could go back and free him from the cupboard.

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  • #23037

    I must have forgotten there actually was a Hitler episode. Was it any good?

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  • #23041

    It was a fun episode. Crop circles, convoluted timey wime, poison, electric jelly thingys and mini-people not inside the Hitler cupboard. I think the Doctor gets shot with a banana or else it’s the TARDIS. Rory does a lot of baffled looks and rides a bike.

  • #23042

    I must have forgotten there actually was a Hitler episode. Was it any good?

    It was ok but quite silly. It’s where Moffat had to pull back from the stuff with Amy’s stolen baby and work out how to resolve all the River Song/Doctor’s ‘death’ stuff from that series and suffers a bit from a lot of new stuff having to suddenly be crammed in.

  • #23196

    I must have forgotten there actually was a Hitler episode. Was it any good?

    Moffat made the Hitler episode into a sort of screwball comedy which, depending on your point of view, might either be brilliant or cringey.

    But ultimately, it was saddled with a bunch of River Song nonsense, had a handful of ideas that didn’t really gel (like the “smaller on the inside” robot), and was ultimately, as you noted, kind of forgettable.

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  • #23617

    Interesting that Chibnall’s taken something of backseat from this whole fandom engagement campaign during the pandemic, incidentally.

    Paul Cornell just revealed that he’s organising it all.

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  • #23619

    Hmm, I’m dubious that it’s anything more than a rubber stamp at best. Cos he’s not credited on the video prequel for Human Nature tonight – not even a thanks or EP – nor Revenge of the Nestene while Emily Cook (who has been the public face and instigator of all of this lockdown content) is credited as producer on both. And she only works for Doctor Who Magazine, not the BBC.

  • #23652

    Maybe he doesn’t want to take the credit? Featuring other people’s episodes and not his own.

    A lot of people don’t like Chibnall’s writing but that doesn’t mean he isn’t an OK bloke. I’ll trust Cornell on this since he’s in the middle of it.

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  • #23666

    Maybe he doesn’t want to take the credit? Featuring other people’s episodes and not his own.

    A lot of people don’t like Chibnall’s writing but that doesn’t mean he isn’t an OK bloke. I’ll trust Cornell on this since he’s in the middle of it.

    Yeah, I know I have bias here and that will inevitably colour my perception. But – from the outside admittedly – I just don’t see what he could have contributed beyond just going “yes, that’s fine, do that” (as Moffat did/didn’t for the RTD Time War story that got published a few weeks back, originally intended for DWM on the 50th Anniversary), regardless of him being a hacky writer or not.

    Emily Cook has been the driving force of all of this and she’s not mentioned him at all as far as I can see. The episodes seem to be being picked by broadcast anniversaries (and seemingly how popular they are generally and who they can get to participate). I can’t imagine he stepped in and script-edited RTD or Cornell writing Benny again or even Gaiman writing Rory* and everyone’s doing it for free, so there’s not even a budgeting aspect to it.

    So, yeah, until/unless he actually gets an explicit credit for something (even just a “thanks” actually in the credits of a video) or someone actually says what he contributed to something (as Cornell did for Kate Orman’s contribution to Human Nature) I’m sticking with rubber stamp/moral support of the same calibre as Stan Lee’s contribution to any Marvel book post 1970-whatever that still had “Stan Lee presents” on the title page.

     

    *Speaking of, I completely missed this one, but it’s quite nice.

  • #24228

    This is quite a fun idea – RTD and Moffat interviewing each other.

    Moffat is pretty candid about his own flaws – that Amy scene never quite sat right with me, and I like that he calls himself out for papering over thin scenes with snappy dialogue.

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  • #24296

    New time war multimedia cross over event

    https://www.doctorwho.tv/news/?article=time-lord-victorious

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  • #24318

    That looks interesting! Love the photoshopping on Tennant, though I have to admit, that and the title made me think he was going to be the villain (Valeyard style) but the description suggests otherwise.

    Might have to try and finally persuade some of my friends to do an escape room with me.

  • #24966

    So if you’re looking to get the classic series on blu-ray, try Canada.

    An update on this: Don’t import from Amazon Canada.

    The guy who told me that I wouldn’t get charged import fees and they’d refund them if I did? Lied (or was wrong, but I’m leaning towards lying). Turns out Amazon Canada don’t use the same global shipping thing the other Amazons do, so my order came via DHL, who sent a £16 ransom note this morning. I went to AmCa for a refund on that and they tried to fob me off with £7 of store credit. They eventually relented and gave me a full refund when I pointed out there’s no way I’m ordering from them again.

    But it only got sent out to me this week because I spent about an hour on live chat on Saturday trying to get a straight answer about when it would be sent out. There was a small notice about coronavirus delays when I ordered. Given how quick Amazon usually are, even internationally, I figured it’d take a week or so for them to dispatch it. It took over a month, with several dispatch estimates given and missed. One CSA even straight up lied to me by saying it was packed and in advance shipping, only for it to be, well, not. (The “the taxi’s just turning into your road” of online customer service). The last CSA I spoke to on Saturday (out of four!) admitted they weren’t going to send it until the last possible date to hit the back end of the delivery estimate (late June). Which I pointed out meant they needed to have sent it four days previous. That got them to actually dispatch it (with a delivery upgrade, which was nice, but honestly, I only wanted them to just post it already). I get the delays and prioritisation, but if they don’t want to do international orders of non-essential items, don’t take them maybe?

  • #24971

    That’s not right, what a mess.

    On the Time Lord Victorious I’ll be most interested in the Big Finish stuff. Be interesting if they crack the ‘you can get the story without buying everything’ aspect.

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  • #24992

    On the Time Lord Victorious I’ll be most interested in the Big Finish stuff. Be interesting if they crack the ‘you can get the story without buying everything’ aspect.

    Yeah, it’s going to be tricky to negotiate it. I’d love it (in a sense) if the escape room turned out to be the crux of the entire story and everyone who didn’t get chance to do it left completely in the dark about a massive plot twist.

    Ok, not really. But the iDaleks were killed off in a Dalek civil war in the Doctor Who Experience, so it wouldn’t be entirely unprecedented.

  • #25015

    Yeah, it’s going to be tricky to negotiate it. I’d love it (in a sense) if the escape room turned out to be the crux of the entire story and everyone who didn’t get chance to do it left completely in the dark about a massive plot twist.

    Sounds just like the Bernice Sommerfeld book that stopped on a cliffhanger that lead into an audio – it was so annoying.
    (without warning that the book was not standalone)

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  • #25292

    My s12 blu-ray set arrived t’other day (I’d say safe and sound, but the case is actually damaged – the join between the front panel and spine is split down half its length, so I’ll have to replace it at some point) and I’ve made a start on it.

    Initial impressions are pretty good. I haven’t made any direct comparisons with the DVDs – I suppose I could, actually – but the new restoration does look better than I remember the old ones being, which is enough for me. Certainly the location sections of Robot – which were filmed on outside broadcast video and so looked a bit dull and lifeless before – have been cleaned up and graded to flow much better with the studio filming. It’s all been stably set into a full 16:9 image, with the original aspect ratio preserved and flanked by black bars too, so you don’t have to worry about TV settings or anything.

    The new special features are decent. Behind The Sofa – where people at least tangential involved with the show are recorded watching some/all of it – is more substantial, in length at least, that I was expecting. There’s one for each story and the Robot one was 45 minutes or so. Whether you can take 45 minutes of Janet Fielding is something you’ll have to decide for yourself though.

    There’s a really interesting curio on the Robot disc – a film recording of a readthrough for the serial. It was done specially for a BBC documentary series that ended up not airing and unfortunately it’s got no sound. But it’s been synced up with the actual broadcast elements to approximate what’s being said. But it’s kind of fascinating seeing the cast and crew out of character and costume. Nicholas Courtenay’s there in a neckerchief like a cliche bohemian actor, which is just such a strange sight, while everyone except Ian Marter and the director are all smoking like chimneys. Even Tom and Liz, which an odd sight. And of course there’s Bob Holmes and Terrence Dicks in one corner with their Serious Writer Pipes. It’s a real shame the audio’s lost for this.

    And then another element that is seemingly trivial, but if you had enough of the DVDs you’ll appreciate the importance of: menus and pre-title bumpf. The amount of logos and warnings and nonsense on the front of the DVDs meant that later releases took the best part of three minutes to even get to the main menu (and it was all stuff you couldn’t skip), where you’d immediately be assaulted by loud, looped clips from the story (which was a bit of pain if you’d never seen them before). The blu-ray has some logos and adverts (BBC Store, amusingly, which I think shut down weeks after this was released) but they’re all skippable and then it loads up into a nice, calm, quiet menu screen of a CGI recreation of the TARDIS.

    So far, which is admittedly only 1/6 in, it definitely feels like a worthwhile upgrade, even despite the palaver to get it.

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  • #25302

    How does the toy tank look in high-def?

  • #25305

    How does the toy tank look in high-def?

    Like a really well shot toy advert.

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  • #25320

    My pet hate on the pre-title bumf were the 1 minute anti-piracy ads you couldn’t skip or fast forward. The irony being you are only forced to watch that if you already went and bought an original DVD, the pirate ones leave them off or let you skip. It was a truly dreadful idea.

    It’s like having an anti drink driving campaign and thinking the best place to force everyone to see  the message would be a temperance hall or a mosque.

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  • #25321

    My pet hate on the pre-title bumf were the 1 minute anti-piracy ads you couldn’t skip or fast forward.

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  • #25324

    The only one I’ve ever appreciated was a Malaysian one that had local actors, directors etc. thanking the audience for having paid to see the film and explaining how it was key to maintaining the production of new content.

  • #25328

    They take that “thankyou” approach regularly in the UK ones I’ve seen recently too (in cinemas and on DVD). It’s a nicer way of conveying the same message I think.

    (Another gag I used to like about those “you wouldn’t steal a car” ads was the routine by some standup who said “yes, but if you could make an exact copy of that car for less than a quid…”)

  • #25539

    (Another gag I used to like about those “you wouldn’t steal a car” ads was the routine by some standup who said “yes, but if you could make an exact copy of that car for less than a quid…”)

    “You wouldn’t 3D print a car.”

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  • #26057

    There’s another odd curio special feature on the s12 blu-ray which is a long audio recording of a meeting in the BBC canteen between Philip Hinchcliffe, Tom Baker, Liz Sladen, Ian Marter (who says next to nothing), Hinchcliffe’s secretary and a guy called Keith Miller, who was the head of the Who fan club in the 70s.

    It’s a wide ranging conversation and its fascinating how forward thinking Hinchcliffe is. At one point he’s almost seeing the home video market, saying that he asked higher-ups at the BBC about doing Saturday morning cinema compilations of old serials, but the contractual issues about repeats and other formats (along with the fall in Saturday morning cinema takings) nixed it. He worries about the show ever having to later pay more to cover future repeat rights. He also talks about the synergy potential of the fan club newsletter, the Target books and the Exhibition and you can feel him sort of grasping for the idea of DWM as an official hub of fandom. There’s also talk of radio versions of Who (discounted by Hinchcliffe in case someone at the BBC decides it would be more cost effective and end the show).

    Another interesting bit is talk about Miller’s fan club vs a Pertwee one that double-crossed him after asking to be a regional branch of his. You end up getting the show almost suggesting mediation between the two. Fandom cliques and conflict is as old as the hills, I guess. But in the course of that and Hinchcliffe wanting to have a central clearing house for interested fans, he name drops Peter Capaldi.

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  • #26064

    Repeat rights are interesting. In the 70s and 80s there were endless complaints at the BBC because the schedules just repeated shows, especially sitcoms, that had just been on.

    They’d run a new series of something like Ever Decreasing Circles and then almost as soon as it had finished it would be on again during the Summer. The anger was why show that when we can still remember the jokes, use something from 10 years ago if you have to repeat.

    It turns out it was the contracts for repeat fees, if they showed it again within a certain amount of time it was free from paying royalties. A completely different system to the US one with syndication after 100 episodes etc.

    So the BBC played some US shows like the original Batman or Star Trek almost on a loop but would never repeat something like Doctor Who.

    Hinchliffe was perfectly right and ahead of his time, even in the mid 80s the Saturday morning cinema shows were showing some right crap from the Children’s Film Foundation 20 years previously. The kids would have lapped up a four part Tom Baker era Doctor Who serial shown in full.

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  • #27652

    There was another Lockdown tweetalong tonight, a double bill of New Earth and Gridlock (fittingly) and RTD wrote another short to go with them.

     

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  • #28831

    Some cracking journalism from the Express.

    Moffat is stepping down!? You’ll be telling me Matt Smith is leaving next!

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  • #28837

    Well, darn. I was hoping they came to their senses, shitcanned Chibnall, and decided to retcon that “Timeless Child” nonsense.

     

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  • #28852

    You’ll be telling me Matt Smith is leaving next!

    Not going to happen. He’s too popular. I hear he’s eyed for a role in Star Wars Episode IX…

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  • #28861

    You’ll be telling me Matt Smith is leaving next!

    Not going to happen. He’s too popular. I hear he’s eyed for a role in Star Wars Episode IX…

    He was.  It was uncredited.  As a stormtrooper. The scene was cut.

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  • #28866

    RELEASE THE DOCTOR WHO CUT!

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  • #28868

    Dave, what the fuck did we do to you to have deserved the inflicting of a Daily Express article?

    It’s all very “I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe”.

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